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Alot of naturals here lately wondering if they should hit the sauce, I thought this post summed it up well
"I've been cycling on/off now for almost 11 years. I am 30 yrs old. If you have not done steroids before, you better think long and hard about what you want out of life long term. Because here is where the problems begin; cycle after cycle your natural levels fall shorter and shorter, especially as you close in on 30 yrs old. Sure, people are going to talk about PCT , and do this or that to get your levels back to normal. But over time, normal isn't normal anymore, so when your not on cycle you have a harder time burning fat than Natural Joe, you dont have a good sense of well being like you should unless your cycling test usually, and gains come to an end. If your running 750 mg/wk of test , 50 mg/day dbol , and 600 mg/wk of EQ , what would make you think that you would surpass that naturally? Or maintain that much naturally? You wont, and dont let anybody else tell you different. Once you are hitting 240-250 lbs at under 12% bf or so, for most the only thing thats going to push that envelope further is Growth Hormone .
As for myself, this is probably my 25th cycle I'm on right now, there is no coming back. I came off for a solid 6 months and it was enough to tell me I've hit a fork in the road. So I'm back on cycle now, and will most likely use HRT dosages the rest of my life. This is not a choice anymore, I HAVE TO in order to have any quality of life, because I've cycled enough to screw it up naturally. If you've never cycled before, just think long and hard. It'll never be just 1 cycle , trust me"
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that's kind of true, but you really have only 2 choices...
you either cycle as a part of a natural progression of a gym goer
or
quit entirely
cause i sure as fuck wouldn't be busting my balls at the gym for years just to look like a fucking twink without any possibility of progressing
so my advice for anyone who's thinking about gearing up (are there really any naturals on this board lol?) would be:
either roid up if you really love the gymnasium or take up another hobby, like boxing or some other shit (which could incorporate SOME strength training also, but just for the purpose of the sport)
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ITS A CHOICE FOR LIFE. BOTTOM LINE.
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Bodybuilding and drugs were married from the beginning of time!! ;D ;D
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that's kind of true, but you really have only 2 choices...
you either cycle as a part of a natural progression of a gym goer
or
quit entirely
cause i sure as fuck wouldn't be busting my balls at the gym for years just to look like a fucking twink without any possibility of progressing
so my advice for anyone who's thinking about gearing up (are there really any naturals on this board lol?) would be:
either roid up if you really love the gymnasium or take up another hobby, like boxing or some other shit (which could incorporate SOME strength training also, but just for the purpose of the sport)
I am. But I also do not consider myself a bodybuilder anymore. And I did just as you suggested took up another hobby/sport. Basically I think bodybuilding is not worth it.
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It can and would take longer than 6 months for him to go back to normal. He didn't ride it out long enough.
PCT returning you to normal or keeping your gains is fucking broscience and fuck anyone who says differently. Those who say differently haven't tried it on themselves. gh15 speaks the truth on this. You can't post that anywhere else because you get attacked.
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Alot of naturals here lately wondering if they should hit the sauce, I thought this post summed it up well
"I've been cycling on/off now for almost 11 years. I am 30 yrs old. If you have not done steroids before, you better think long and hard about what you want out of life long term. Because here is where the problems begin; cycle after cycle your natural levels fall shorter and shorter, especially as you close in on 30 yrs old. Sure, people are going to talk about PCT , and do this or that to get your levels back to normal. But over time, normal isn't normal anymore, so when your not on cycle you have a harder time burning fat than Natural Joe, you dont have a good sense of well being like you should unless your cycling test usually, and gains come to an end. If your running 750 mg/wk of test , 50 mg/day dbol , and 600 mg/wk of EQ , what would make you think that you would surpass that naturally? Or maintain that much naturally? You wont, and dont let anybody else tell you different. Once you are hitting 240-250 lbs at under 12% bf or so, for most the only thing thats going to push that envelope further is Growth Hormone .
As for myself, this is probably my 25th cycle I'm on right now, there is no coming back. I came off for a solid 6 months and it was enough to tell me I've hit a fork in the road. So I'm back on cycle now, and will most likely use HRT dosages the rest of my life. This is not a choice anymore, I HAVE TO in order to have any quality of life, because I've cycled enough to screw it up naturally. If you've never cycled before, just think long and hard. It'll never be just 1 cycle , trust me"
Great post!
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I wish someone would of said this 5 years ago so I could skip this site altogether.
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Great post!
Steve, I get the feeling you're a bit disillusioned with the bbing life..
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Steve, I get the feeling you're a bit disillusioned with the bbing life..
he realized cost and competing are too much.he has a fantastic build and knows what to use and how much to get there,,to get higher and win might need a bit more .
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I'm not buying all this bullshit about steroids permanently ruining your natural testosterone production. If you run smart cycles, then you can come off steroids with normal testosterone production. It's all about proper on-cycle therapy, post cycle therapy, and running short (but frequent) cycles.
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It's obviously a life long choice. As gh15 says - there are NO "cycles" for a true bb'er. It's a - continuous usage. But try to think it in other terms - "regular joe" is on a downhill anyway, and as a bodybuilder you can get better and better year after year, even - decade after a decade. if you are smart with your game (and can afford gh lol). It's in a sense - being a different kind of "human", an enhanced one (Transhumanism, if anyone is familiar with this term. I think - bodybuilders are one of the first thranshumanists even if they doesn't know this.).
Being on some test for life isn't anything horrible anyway, in case you couldn't recover (to what... a 35yo test levels.. a 45yo? Why would you want to be on the decline anyway?). Oh, and 6 months are nothing for a recovery after a decade of gearing up lol.. There was a dude on another board I remember. He was diagnose "hypogonadism" and used to tell he'll nee to be on a hrt for the rest of his life. Fast forward - he "found god", ditched the roids and... a year or so later he was back on track with his hormone levels.
Bodybuilding is a mind state first and foremost. Be smart.
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I'm not buying all this bullshit about steroids permanently ruining your natural testosterone production. If you run smart cycles, then you can come off steroids with normal testosterone production. It's all about proper on-cycle therapy, post cycle therapy, and running short (but frequent) cycles.
No, it does screw things up. You'll never really feel the same, even if your blood work comes back looking okay on paper.
That being said, you probably wouldn't have to worry about being hypogonadal as people have been brought back from the abyss. It's a big life decision though. Cycling is stupid. You either stay on for a long time or shouldn't use steroids at all.
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No, it does screw things up. You'll never really feel the same, even if your blood work comes back looking okay on paper.
That being said, you probably wouldn't have to worry about being hypogonadal as people have been brought back from the abyss. It's a big life decision though. Cycling is stupid. You either stay on for a long time or shouldn't use steroids at all.
Of course you'll "never feel the same." Obviously, steroids give you an edge unlike anything else. But if you ever decide to go back to being natural, it's definitely doable as long as you haven't stayed on for ridiculously long times and as long as you've made proper use of gonadotropins, SERMs, AIs, and dopamine agonists.
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You either stay on for a long time or shouldn't use steroids at all.
This. People I know who've been using for a few decades, made this a lifestyle. Some breaks here and there, but otherwise - just rotating compounds and being on and on and on.. ;)
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If lifting weights is really a passion, then physical appearance will play second fiddle after the first few years.
I'd rather continue to get stronger and see those gains on the bar than continue to "focus on the contraction" while eating a poisonous cocktail of gh/steroids/meth/t3/painkillers and whatever else these junkies are abusing.
Strength > glittery thongs.
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Of course you'll "never feel the same." Obviously, steroids give you an edge unlike anything else. But if you ever decide to go back to being natural, it's definitely doable as long as you haven't stayed on for ridiculously long times and as long as you've made proper use of gonadotropins, SERMs, AIs, and dopamine agonists.
You don't need to use all that shit. Your HPTA will do a fine job bringing you where you need to be, granted you'll never "feel" the same.
When people use too many ancillaries their body can't do it's job properly. It takes a little while to register and respond, and exogenous hormones will only keep your body in a state of flux. I don't oppose using some ancillaries to aid your body's recovery, but people have taken things too far which is costly, counter-productive and really fucking annoying (see: bro science). People have lost sight of things and don't realize that they're trying too hard to do what their body should be doing by itself. There's little danger in AIDING the process, but don't take it too far.
Only time when that stuff is necessary is if you're not recovering and have severe side affects like infertility or sexual dysfunction. Those are situations where more aggressive treatment may be required. Otherwise, understand and appreciate that you WILL take a hit coming off and you'll feel like shit for quite some time. It's the price we pay. So to me it's better to simply stay on. There are so many environmental factors that are screwing with our natural hormones anyway, so you'd might as well juice and be happy because you're fucked either way.
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If lifting weights is really a passion, then physical appearance will play second fiddle after the first few years.
I'd rather continue to get stronger and see those gains on the bar than continue to "focus on the contraction" while eating a poisonous cocktail of gh/steroids/meth/t3/painkillers and whatever else these junkies are abusing.
Strength > glittery thongs.
top strength athletes uses a shitload of steroids too Nancy
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top strength athletes uses a shitload of steroids too Nancy
This. Plus, I never understood the fascination with brutal retard strength. I'm a twinky pussy but even I have benched 350lbs, pulled 450lbs and squat 405lbs all for reps. Once you can lift way more than the general population and get into the dangerous injury zone, I don't see the point unless you're doing competitions.
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What a bunch of brainwashed fools most bodybuilders are. You don't need steroids, oil, growth hormone, supplements or any of that crap. If you know how to train you switch on your growth processes in the muscles and away you go. Of course, I can't expect such dense individuals to actually believe this. They prefer to believe that criminal gh15 who is advocating insane drug usage. Guys like him should be booted off this site forever. This place has gone to the dogs. A pity the owner doesn't train because that would make a huge difference to what is accepted around here.
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This. Plus, I never understood the fascination with brutal retard strength. I'm a twinky pussy but even I have benched 350lbs, pulled 450lbs and squat 405lbs all for reps. Once you can lift way more than the general population and get into the dangerous injury zone, I don't see the point unless you're doing competitions.
Lol.. exactly.. I'm repping 320 pretty easily currently, and while it's not "a lot" in powerlifting terms - I can see regular gym twinks starring, not to mention regular people (had a conversation with one "heavy" lad a while ago, he was bragging he benched 250lb (for one rep lol) and was the strongest out of his circle (they were having some kind of contest at work or smth). Then I said I rep 320 regulary. *blank stare*
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What a bunch of brainwashed fools most bodybuilders are. You don't need steroids, oil, growth hormone, supplements or any of that crap. If you know how to train you switch on your growth processes in the muscles and away you go. Of course, I can't expect such dense individuals to actually believe this. They prefer to believe that criminal gh15 who is advocating insane drug usage. Guys like him should be booted off this site forever. This place has gone to the dogs. A pity the owner doesn't train because that would make a huge difference to what is accepted around here.
Sorry Vince, you're a delusional old man. You can only get so far training naturally.
You peak after a few years of solid training, then a decade or two later you squeak out the teeniest little gains and that's about it. A life time of training for a physique that can't even turn heads. The local douche bag guido crews can juice for a couple months and look better than any natural lifter from anywhere in the world.
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No shit "MAXX" but even as a natural when muscular size stops strength gains continue. Drugs are in every sport, across the board, but that doesn't mean the average person has to take them to enjoy those sports. ::)
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speak for yourself. just because you looked like shit as a natural and could only make gains using drugs doesn't mean there are a lot of naturals who can look good.
x2 + lol at running steroids as "the natural progression of a gym goer" oh brother ::)
Gayer than focusing on feeling the contraction.
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What a bunch of brainwashed fools most bodybuilders are. You don't need steroids, oil, growth hormone, supplements or any of that crap. If you know how to train you switch on your growth processes in the muscles and away you go. Of course, I can't expect such dense individuals to actually believe this. They prefer to believe that criminal gh15 who is advocating insane drug usage. Guys like him should be booted off this site forever. This place has gone to the dogs. A pity the owner doesn't train because that would make a huge difference to what is accepted around here.
your a fucking senile clown........... anyone whos had a few yrs under there belt in the gym knows this to be utter rubbish, youd best stick to pissing your self and keeping your mouth shut
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your a fucking senile clown........... anyone whos had a few yrs under there belt in the gym knows this to be utter rubbish, youd best stick to pissing your self and keeping your mouth shut
lmao.. hilarious..
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Let's not confuse lifting for strength and lifting to look pretty, two different things here.
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speak for yourself. just because you looked like shit as a natural and could only make gains using drugs doesn't mean there are a lot of naturals who can look good.
don't hate the player broham
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speak for yourself. just because you looked like shit as a natural and could only make gains using drugs doesn't mean there are a lot of naturals who can look good.
With all due respect, people can look good natural but they can't look great.
You'd be hard pressed to turn any heads without using a little something something. You can have some size or you can have some conditioning, but you can't have both as a natural. This is why I have no problem turning to PEDs. I am comfortable with this and understand the implications, as do many others.
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Either way its a personal choice and neither way is the only way.
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Great post-Ive been natural all my life and have a decent physique but never went into bbing as its not possible without drugs-Im approaching 40 however and am considering some HRT soon..
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you failed,lifting that long naturally afraind of hormones and now you will use HRT anyway.
You can look decently as a natural to normal people,not on getbig.This is GetBIG,not GetTWINK.
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that's kind of true, but you really have only 2 choices...
you either cycle as a part of a natural progression of a gym goer
or
quit entirely
cause i sure as fuck wouldn't be busting my balls at the gym for years just to look like a fucking twink without any possibility of progressing
so my advice for anyone who's thinking about gearing up (are there really any naturals on this board lol?) would be:
either roid up if you really love the gymnasium or take up another hobby, like boxing or some other shit (which could incorporate SOME strength training also, but just for the purpose of the sport)
Newsflash---> if you're not a PRO ( or Nat level) & getting some sort of finiancial comp then it IS A HOBBY.
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Great post-Ive been natural all my life and have a decent physique but never went into bbing as its not possible without drugs-Im approaching 40 however and am considering some HRT soon..
If one day you won't wonder "What if...".. it's all good. Keep on lifting.
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Newsflash---> if you're not a PRO ( or Nat level) & getting some sort of finiancial comp then it IS A HOBBY.
some men are very serious about their passion
and i, for one, want it to be more than a hobby
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Alot of naturals here lately wondering if they should hit the sauce, I thought this post summed it up well
"I've been cycling on/off now for almost 11 years. I am 30 yrs old. If you have not done steroids before, you better think long and hard about what you want out of life long term. Because here is where the problems begin; cycle after cycle your natural levels fall shorter and shorter, especially as you close in on 30 yrs old. Sure, people are going to talk about PCT , and do this or that to get your levels back to normal. But over time, normal isn't normal anymore, so when your not on cycle you have a harder time burning fat than Natural Joe, you dont have a good sense of well being like you should unless your cycling test usually, and gains come to an end. If your running 750 mg/wk of test , 50 mg/day dbol , and 600 mg/wk of EQ , what would make you think that you would surpass that naturally? Or maintain that much naturally? You wont, and dont let anybody else tell you different. Once you are hitting 240-250 lbs at under 12% bf or so, for most the only thing thats going to push that envelope further is Growth Hormone .
As for myself, this is probably my 25th cycle I'm on right now, there is no coming back. I came off for a solid 6 months and it was enough to tell me I've hit a fork in the road. So I'm back on cycle now, and will most likely use HRT dosages the rest of my life. This is not a choice anymore, I HAVE TO in order to have any quality of life, because I've cycled enough to screw it up naturally. If you've never cycled before, just think long and hard. It'll never be just 1 cycle , trust me"
Right on the money.
In my opinion, if you are going to take steroids, you better be prepared to do it forever. Otherwise, don't do it at all
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I'm not buying all this bullshit about steroids permanently ruining your natural testosterone production. If you run smart cycles, then you can come off steroids with normal testosterone production. It's all about proper on-cycle therapy, post cycle therapy, and running short (but frequent) cycles.
It doesnt just fuck with hormones levels but with neurotransmitters in the brain as everything in the human body is linked. Moron. Steroids basically act as antidepressants not just as protein synthesis accelerators or/and fat burners. When you stop them all the artificial chemical effects stop and you re back to who you truly are, this person you couldnt stand when you started using. They d all be 170 lbs at best without the drugs, just like every other humans on earth, these people they despise and want to impress. Being normal is something their insecure and vain self couldnt and still cant deal with because they have no education, no fulfiling life achievement to speak of other that their -fake- ''muscles''. Their drug use, their fake appearance is all they have, it's their character, their personality. Remove the drugs, see them lose all their muscle mass, and what is left? Nothing. Their artificial confidence would melt with their fake muscles as their psychological balance would collapse, because biology and psychology are linked and have an influence on each others.
oh, and to basile; why dont you show us how to build muscle you fat senile loser? You needed dbol back in the day to look like a fucking natural. Quite the achievement. What are you doing on here anyway, you re old, fat and look like you never lifted a weight in your life.
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If you've never cycled before, just think long and hard. It'll never be just 1 cycle , trust me"
the truest thing ever. i always say it to anyone who asks for advise.
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I'm not buying all this bullshit about steroids permanently ruining your natural testosterone production. If you run smart cycles, then you can come off steroids with normal testosterone production. It's all about proper on-cycle therapy, post cycle therapy, and running short (but frequent) cycles.
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your a fucking senile clown........... anyone whos had a few yrs under there belt in the gym knows this to be utter rubbish, youd best stick to pissing your self and keeping your mouth shut
I never joke about bodybuilding, training, gyms or gym equipment. This morning I woke up and measured my arms and they were over 18" cold. This is the biggest they have ever been. I now
know how to make my muscles grow rapidly. Most bodybuilders don't have a clue. Oh, they get some results but can't sustain the growth process. I can do this.
I don't expect knuckleheads to comprehend this. Most guys who lift weights are literally too dumb to get big without drugs. That is a sad fact.
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If you've never cycled before, just think long and hard. It'll never be just 1 cycle , trust me"
it s called substance addiction.
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I never joke about bodybuilding, training, gyms or gym equipment. This morning I woke up and measured my arms and they were over 18" cold. This is the biggest they have ever been. I now
know how to make my muscles grow rapidly. Most bodybuilders don't have a clue. Oh, they get some results but can't sustain the growth process. I can do this.
I don't expect knuckleheads to comprehend this. Most guys who lift weights are literally too dumb to get big without drugs. That is a sad fact.
so your trying to tell me with all your bodybuilding secrets the biggest your arms have been is 18", and thats a fat 18?
i must be a knuckle head because this isnt adding up.... either that or youve pissed your self again and wondered into the computer room and made the whole thing up
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LOOOOOL
every tried being natural until you're 35 or 40 then hop on steroids? people who have done that would shit on this post!
I have "advised" people in their 30's, 40's, and 50's until they broke and told me they want to try gear... once they did, they never went back... they all felt like shit already and the 50 year old said "screw stopping test! i'm on for life! i feel like i'm 20 again! i can f@#$ like a jackrabbit!"
atleast when you're on the juice early, you know what it feels like to be super man and you can always go back. being "natural for life", you'll feel like shit as you go older anyways cuz that's how life is, but you'll never know how good it would feel to be on and you can never have that as an option.
show me a 40 year old with high/normal test, and i'll show you a guy with a testicular problem.
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No, it does screw things up. You'll never really feel the same, even if your blood work comes back looking okay on paper.
That being said, you probably wouldn't have to worry about being hypogonadal as people have been brought back from the abyss. It's a big life decision though. Cycling is stupid. You either stay on for a long time or shouldn't use steroids at all.
x2
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I never joke about bodybuilding, training, gyms or gym equipment. This morning I woke up and measured my arms and they were over 18" cold. This is the biggest they have ever been. I now
know how to make my muscles grow rapidly. Most bodybuilders don't have a clue. Oh, they get some results but can't sustain the growth process. I can do this.
I don't expect knuckleheads to comprehend this. Most guys who lift weights are literally too dumb to get big without drugs. That is a sad fact.
look in the mirror
you look like shit
end of argument
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I'm not buying all this bullshit about steroids permanently ruining your natural testosterone production. If you run smart cycles, then you can come off steroids with normal testosterone production. It's all about proper on-cycle therapy, post cycle therapy, and running short (but frequent) cycles.
Want to know the secret of permanently ruining your natural testosterone production??
Well it's simple = getting past 35 ::)
Welcome to the real world. It's HRT doses (well, 250mg weekly) for the rest of my life. 250gm every 21 days sucks the root, you can keep that shit. But then I live in Mumbai, a pharma Test paradise (legit & affordable)
PT
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What a bunch of brainwashed fools most bodybuilders are. You don't need steroids, oil, growth hormone, supplements or any of that crap. If you know how to train you switch on your growth processes in the muscles and away you go. Of course, I can't expect such dense individuals to actually believe this. They prefer to believe that criminal gh15 who is advocating insane drug usage. Guys like him should be booted off this site forever. This place has gone to the dogs. A pity the owner doesn't train because that would make a huge difference to what is accepted around here.
There's plenty of other forums where steroid use and discussion is frowned upon. Why not fuck off to there?
This forum is silly enough that even a lunatic like yourself is somewhat tolerated. You know this and that's why you're still here.
You've been laughed off of every "serious" forum on the net. They ALL think you're delusional. You and your retarded theories aren't accepted anywhere, merely tolerated at some places like getbig.
Ever look in the mirror and think maybe it's you who's deluded, and not EVERYONE else?
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It doesnt just fuck with hormones levels but with neurotransmitters in the brain as everything in the human body is linked. Moron. Steroids basically act as antidepressants not just as protein synthesis accelerators or/and fat burners. When you stop them all the artificial chemical effects stop and you re back to who you truly are, this person you couldnt stand when you started using. They d all be 170 lbs at best without the drugs, just like every other humans on earth, these people they despise and want to impress. Being normal is something their insecure and vain self couldnt and still cant deal with because they have no education, no fulfiling life achievement to speak of other that their -fake- ''muscles''. Their drug use, their fake appearance is all they have, it's their character, their personality. Remove the drugs, see them lose all their muscle mass, and what is left? Nothing. Their artificial confidence would melt with their fake muscles as their psychological balance would collapse, because biology and psychology are linked and have an influence on each others.
The same applies pretty much to anything a person can do to "better" himself (aside education and general wisdom). I wonder - whether it's trully that unbelieveable to be wise and enjoy the benefits of "trasncending" your biological limits (that's what humans are known for, anyway) at the same time?
It seems you are projecting your personal depression on pretty much any topic here.
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100% truth to that post..
30 now and theres no looking back
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LOOOOOL
every tried being natural until you're 35 or 40 then hop on steroids? people who have done that would shit on this post!
I have "advised" people in their 30's, 40's, and 50's until they broke and told me they want to try gear... once they did, they never went back... they all felt like shit already and the 50 year old said "screw stopping test! i'm on for life! i feel like i'm 20 again! i can f@#$ like a jackrabbit!"
atleast when you're on the juice early, you know what it feels like to be super man and you can always go back. being "natural for life", you'll feel like shit as you go older anyways cuz that's how life is, but you'll never know how good it would feel to be on and you can never have that as an option.
show me a 40 year old with high/normal test, and i'll show you a guy with a testicular problem.
i'm 50/50 with u on this,,,this is not written in stone there are exceptions and certain individuals lifelong trainers in this age group 30/50 that dispell this,,,if ur saying looking like jakked up bber then no,but a good muscular build that most normal people would be envious of yes,,but a drugged body no matter what the age will make the natural/clean body inferior this i agree with,,,
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LOOOOOL
every tried being natural until you're 35 or 40 then hop on steroids? people who have done that would shit on this post!
I have "advised" people in their 30's, 40's, and 50's until they broke and told me they want to try gear... once they did, they never went back... they all felt like shit already and the 50 year old said "screw stopping test! i'm on for life! i feel like i'm 20 again! i can f@#$ like a jackrabbit!"
atleast when you're on the juice early, you know what it feels like to be super man and you can always go back. being "natural for life", you'll feel like shit as you go older anyways cuz that's how life is, but you'll never know how good it would feel to be on and you can never have that as an option.
show me a 40 year old with high/normal test, and i'll show you a guy with a testicular problem.
Countless billions of human beings have lived just fine past their 40s not being on steroids... weak minded loser.
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Derek Anthony has a testicular problem. He can't seem to keep his hands and mouth off of them.
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If lifting weights is really a passion, then physical appearance will play second fiddle after the first few years.
I'd rather continue to get stronger and see those gains on the bar than continue to "focus on the contraction" while eating a poisonous cocktail of gh/steroids/meth/t3/painkillers and whatever else these junkies are abusing.
Strength > glittery thongs.
At some point strength gains also stall, yes it may take a while but they do, either when you get injured over and over or just hit your limit.
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What a bunch of brainwashed fools most bodybuilders are. You don't need steroids, oil, growth hormone, supplements or any of that crap. If you know how to train you switch on your growth processes in the muscles and away you go. Of course, I can't expect such dense individuals to actually believe this. They prefer to believe that criminal gh15 who is advocating insane drug usage. Guys like him should be booted off this site forever. This place has gone to the dogs. A pity the owner doesn't train because that would make a huge difference to what is accepted around here.
stop colorizing your posts. it's fuckin' gay.
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Notsureifsrs the point is naturally you will keep the strength and size, if you stop the juice you will lose both.
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people who never use steroids may still die of heart attacks in 40s or car wrecks in 30s or after being punched in the neck at a party in their 20s.
people that use steroids for decades may still be walking in the park at age 78, feeding the birds and bitching about politics.
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Steve, I get the feeling you're a bit disillusioned with the bbing life..
Because I realized that from my level to step forward toward my dreams is all about the drugs...which is "OK"...but much more drugs then I "wanna" take. And so many guys are using even more. Idiots...
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What about that's been natural his whole life, got past 30 and now his body is just not responding the way it used to? Furthermore, you don't the luxury of eating six small meals a day and resting as you should. I feel like my Testosterone levels took a major dive after 30. I can't maintain the feeling of fullness after working out like i did ten years ago.
Where do guys like me go from here?
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people that use steroids for decades may still be walking in the park at age 78, feeding the birds and bitching about politics.
that's not coach
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What about that's been natural his whole life, got past 30 and now his body is just not responding the way it used to? Furthermore, you don't the luxury of eating six small meals a day and resting as you should. I feel like my Testosterone levels took a major dive after 30. I can't maintain the feeling of fullness after working out like i did ten years ago.
Where do guys like me go from here?
It's quite too early for test to drop significantly being just 30 and a fraction I'd say. Most males have decent test values for a long long time if healthy.
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What about that's been natural his whole life, got past 30 and now his body is just not responding the way it used to? Furthermore, you don't the luxury of eating six small meals a day and resting as you should. I feel like my Testosterone levels took a major dive after 30. I can't maintain the feeling of fullness after working out like i did ten years ago.
Where do guys like me go from here?
You have an excuse to juice for life, big daddy. Get to itt.
Once my natural test levels drop I'm going to be a lifer.
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steroids are dangerous and shrink your PP.
creatine is safer and just as affective.
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Because I realized that from my level to step forward toward my dreams is all about the drugs...which is "OK"...but much more drugs then I "wanna" take. And so many guys are using even more. Idiots...
Good for you saying enough is enough. Would you say the decision is ultimately financial, health-based, or a bit of both?
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damn right!
this is a decision that we've made and will have to live with, whatever the consequences are
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What about that's been natural his whole life, got past 30 and now his body is just not responding the way it used to? Furthermore, you don't the luxury of eating six small meals a day and resting as you should. I feel like my Testosterone levels took a major dive after 30. I can't maintain the feeling of fullness after working out like i did ten years ago.
Where do guys like me go from here?
It could be something else. I felt the same at times until i got my Omega 3 & 6 levels right, now i feel better than when i was 18. As well as making sure i eat less carbs and junk food enough.