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I figured... Sorry I don't buy it, this happened that many years ago with that many witnesses and it just now is coming out ::)
Jesse’s Statement:
The event this man spoke of never happened. I have been to Mc P’s many times since leaving the Navy. I was never there alone. I was always accompanied by other people. If this happened 6 years ago, someone would have known of it before now. Certainly in the UDT/SEAL community it would have been known. This has to be news to all of us.
I have always opposed the war in Iraq but I have never spoken or wished any ill will towards the soldiers. My heart aches that soldiers have died or been wounded because this war should never have taken place. I am perplexed over the agenda this man has and why a fellow Navy Seal would tell a lie about an event that never happened.
Clearly between this story and the previous week’s story about supposedly getting pulled over for tailgaiting in CA that was also a lie, someone is out to destroy my credibility. I find it very interesting that both these stories are being spread by Fox news and it’s affiliates. As a Navy veteran you realize you can’t believe every sea story you hear. Let me finish by stating both of the recent two national stories about me are completely untrue lies, neither event ever happened.
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Why the hell would he like about something like this?
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Why the hell would he like about something like this?
I have no idea what the hell this post means? ::) what who likes?
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I have no idea what the hell this post means? ::) what who likes?
Sorry - I meant why the hell would that SEAL lie about punching Ventura when there had to be witnesses who now will either have to admit or deny this.
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which person in the conversation is on FOX news trying to sell a book?
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This got more interesting.....if it were just some SEAL saying it..ok whatever, but the guy is also trying to sell a book AND he has a company he's trying to build......we'll see.
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Well it's one person's word against another.
It's also out of character of Ventura to say anything against the troops infact he's often praised the troops and expressed that he's against the war not the troops. and the biggest red flag is that we're just now hearing about this, I totally don't buy that. This would have been all over the place.
And I'll go back to when he was asked to tell this story on the Opie&loser show he was very hesitant rolling his head around.
yea, this has BS written all over it.
Why would someone lie about Ventura? Well he has no shortage of people out there that can't stand him.
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This got more interesting.....if it were just some SEAL saying it..ok whatever, but the guy is also trying to sell a book AND he has a company he's trying to build......we'll see.
Bingo.
Ventura has no history of this - quite the opposite in fact.
You have a guy who first of all, is telling a story that he punched out the most famous individual seal in history - pretty huge to begin with.
Now we hear there is zero proof.
And ventura denies it completely.
No witnesses, nothing.
And what possible motive would this guy have for lying?
Oh - he's selling a book and seeking financial backing?
I sure hope FOX and getbiggers trumpet the "oh yeah, my bad" just as loud as they trumpeted the anti-Ventura lies they sold without any proof.
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This got more interesting.....if it were just some SEAL saying it..ok whatever, but the guy is also trying to sell a book AND he has a company he's trying to build......we'll see.
This is it for sure. The guy is full of shit. Jesse may do all that conspiracy stuff you guys hate and I agree he can be kind of pompous with the whole Navy Seal thing but I also beleive he would never disrespect someone like the way his accuser is saying he did.
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i'm surprised fox gave him not only a platform for spreading an unfounded story - out of character - with no proof... but that they let him sell his book while doing it.
No wait, fox hates ventura. Second smear piece in a week. I'm not surprised at all.
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What else was he supposed to say? Of course he's going to deny it.
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What else was he supposed to say? Of course he's going to deny it.
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Typical BB Bullshit.
So what's that mean, that he's the one lying? He didn't just deny it BB. He also has a compelling argument to go with the denial. He has no history of badmouthing the troops and infact has an opposite reputation in that area. And this happend with all those people around 6 years ago and it's just now getting out? ::)
Just tell it like it is BB. You don't like Ventura so you'd rather take one person's version against him.
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and shouldn't the onus be on the one doing the accusing? I could make up a bunch of shit about 3333, shouldn't I be the one who has to prove it or are you guys just good with what I say on the matter? When 3333 denied it, would the response be, "What else was he supposed to say? Of course he's going to deny it." lol
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Typical BB Bullshit.
So what's that mean, that he's the one lying? He didn't just deny it BB. He also has a compelling argument to go with the denial. He has no history of badmouthing the troops and infact has an opposite reputation in that area. And this happend with all those people around 6 years ago and it's just now getting out? ::)
Just tell it like it is BB. You don't like Ventura so you'd rather take one person's version against him.
::) It means exactly what I said both in this thread, and the other one.
I like Ventura. I feel sorry for him because he has lost his mind with all that CT crap. I miss the old Jesse.
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and shouldn't the onus be on the one doing the accusing? I could make up a bunch of shit about 3333, shouldn't I be the one who has to prove it or are you guys just good with what I say on the matter? When 3333 denied it, would the response be, "What else was he supposed to say? Of course he's going to deny it." lol
the guy claims there are witnesses. It would be one thing if he said he did it in private. Now someone has to confirm or deny this. why not go ask the bar owner?
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What else was he supposed to say? Of course he's going to deny it.
He's trying to tell his book, you're a fool.
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the guy claims there are witnesses. It would be one thing if he said he did it in private. Now someone has to confirm or deny this. why not go ask the bar owner?
exactly if this happen there must be at lease 20 other people that were there
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He's trying to tell his book, you're a fool.
He's trying to tell his book? Thanks for sharing. lol
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can you imagine all the bullshit stories in his book
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Remember during the Bush years everytime someone had accusations against Bush and they were selling a book, wasn't it BB among others who just acted like it was case closed, nothing to see because they had a financial motive.
LOL... now it doesn't matter...
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the guy claims there are witnesses. It would be one thing if he said he did it in private. Now someone has to confirm or deny this. why not go ask the bar owner?
I'd bet I could make up some shit about you and have no problem getting a few people here to back it up. The same as there are a lot of people that don't like Ventura, you have your enemies too. And Ventura, always going to that location with other people, will have people to back up his side too,... so then what?
So I fall back on the fact that this is the opposite of what Ventura has a history of saying about our troops. It's uncharacteristic. and second, you can't tell me it's not odd as hell with so many people around that Ventura getting knocked out for saying that kind of shit remained a secret for 6 years? give me a break...
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I'd bet I could make up some shit about you and have no problem getting a few people here to back it up. The same as there are a lot of people that don't like Ventura, you have your enemies too. And Ventura, always going to that location with other people, will have people to back up his side too,... so then what?
So I fall back on the fact that this is the opposite of what Ventura has a history of saying about our troops. It's uncharacteristic. and second, you can't tell me it's not odd as hell with so many people around that Ventura getting knocked out for saying that kind of shit remained a secret for 6 years? give me a break...
Guy also claims police were called. Surely a dispatcher can. Confirm this no?
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remains a secert for 6 years until he's selling his book,feel sorry for the suckers that bought his book
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remains a secert for 6 years until he's selling his book,feel sorry for the suckers that bought his book
He didn't bring it up. A caller did.
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Guy also claims police were called. Surely a dispatcher can. Confirm this no?
OMG... So there was a public report available and we still have not heard about this until now? ::)
You don't see any fucking red flags with any of this? ::)
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OMG... So there was a public report available and we still have not heard about this until now? ::)
You don't see any fucking red flags with any of this? ::)
I am reserving judgment.
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all i know if it's on fox news it has to be credible ;D
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OMG... So there was a public report available and we still have not heard about this until now? ::)
You don't see any fucking red flags with any of this? ::)
This would have made it on the news big time by now if it were true.
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and shouldn't the onus be on the one doing the accusing? I could make up a bunch of shit about 3333, shouldn't I be the one who has to prove it or are you guys just good with what I say on the matter? When 3333 denied it, would the response be, "What else was he supposed to say? Of course he's going to deny it." lol
Absolutely.
It seems the burden of proof goes out the window for some people, when the person getting bashed is something they don't like.
This guy "didnt bring it up", 33, but he sure as hell didn't have to admit anything.
this story stinks. People believe it because fox has conditioned their dumbfck viewers to hate whoever they hate. They coudl run a piece bashing mother teresa and you'd have getbiggers bashing her for her lack of help on american streets - why did she only help people in non-USA areas... did she hate america? Did she support terrorists? Let's bring in a guy who claims he punched her in the face in 1986, and he happens to be selling a book.... all while billO and steve douchy high five the guy.
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Breaking News - Ventura makes a statement.
"FU 333"
LOL @ the panty stains still trying to defend a man that clearly has an agenda for telling a lie whereas Ventura doesn't. Deja Vu for the Cain crowd and their antics.
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http://www.infowars.com/ventura-navy-seal-punch-hoax-may-be-retribution-for-supporting-ron-paul
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I am reserving judgment.
Normal people reserve judgement from the very start.
Dumbass people react like you did on the previous page and then afterwards try to backpedal by claiming "I am reserving judgement"
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Normal people reserve judgement from the very start.
Dumbass people react like you did on the previous page and then afterwards try to backpedal by claiming "I am reserving judgement"
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Can't you find someone else to stalk?
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Exposing your bullshit = stalking?
HAHAHAHAHA poor little crybaby.
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didn't FOX come at ventura with another story before this one?
It does sound like retaliation for backing ron paul.
ANyway, if there is any single voter stupid enough to back away from supporting ron paul bcause someone lied about ventura on FOX, then you deserve another 4 years of obamacare and everything else the kenyan can rain on us.
at this point, its so obvious that the media is biased and full of shit, it's laughable now. We don't even argue it anymore. You had getbiggers in 08 saying "no, fox is the ONLY fair one!"
They ain't saying that, this go around ;)
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FAUX News is "reserving judgement" at the moment.
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Well from what I can find, the SEAL community is not a big fan of Jim Janos aka Jesse Ventura. No one has denied or confirmed the story that I can find, but then again most of this type of shit is kept within the community.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/radio-host-confronts-seal-sniper-over-ventura-bar-brawl-story-and-reveals-psy-ops-theory/
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The only way to deal with this are to have witnesses come forward.
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Sorry - I meant why the hell would that SEAL lie about punching Ventura when there had to be witnesses who now will either have to admit or deny this.
Same reason you lie in all of your threads......CRAZY
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Same reason you lie in all of your threads......CRAZY
Again - you are planning on voting for thugbama again. You are in no position to call others names.
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BOR said tonight he spoke to two SEALS who confirmed the story.
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who's bor
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who's bor
borat
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where's the fucking police report? LOL...
guess who the book is published by? News Corp. LOLOLOLOL... Fair and ballanced on this my ass.
why did it take 6 years for this to come out?
interesting this hits the media when Ventura is driving through Mexico and won't hear about it until days after.
interesting this comes out right after a false story about him in California.
why would Jesse say shit that's the opposite of everything he's always said in the past?
why would he speak highly of seals and then turn around and wish them dead? ::)
Jesse issued a challenge for anyone to call up the owner of the establishment and ask if this ever happened, why hasn't Fox done so?
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story doesn't pass the smell test, that's for sure. great points there, hugo. sounds like a smear with no evidence.
anonymous guests are the best Bill-O can do, to prevent his show for looking bad by letting this liar on the air without proof.
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story doesn't pass the smell test, that's for sure. great points there, hugo. sounds like a smear with no evidence.
anonymous guests are the best Bill-O can do, to prevent his show for looking bad by letting this liar on the air without proof.
BOR named the SEAL he spoke to who confirmed this. He did not name the second one. Why do you keep lying?
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BOR named the SEAL he spoke to who confirmed this. He did not name the second one. Why do you keep lying?
gotcha.
so who do you believe here, 33?
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gotcha.
so who do you believe here, 33?
If the two other SEALS come out and say it happened - I believe them. This guy Kyle has a far more impressive military record than does Ventura.
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If the two other SEALS come out and say it happened - I believe them. This guy Kyle has a far more impressive military record than does Ventura.
I don't think impressiveness of military record automatically equals honesty, does it?
i'd prefer to see which party has evidence to back up their accusation.
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I don't think impressiveness of military record automatically equals honesty, does it?
i'd prefer to see which party has evidence to back up their accusation.
Well if two witnesses say it happens - now you are accusing three people of lying over ventura? Sure there should be amore witnesses, but if two other seals say it happened , vs Ventura, thaen I believe them.
And yes his record vs ventura is relevent.
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What a crock of shit... You're such a dumbass 3333
Here's the clip:
1. Nowhere in this clip is it confirmed that Jesse said Seals should die, this testimony is that they just got in a fight.
2. This is disgusting, in the clip they say the onus is on Ventura to prove it didn't happen rather than the ones accusing him proving it did.
3. Where's the fucking police report you fucking moron? Bill O investeded? Well this was part of the story so if they didn't mention it it's because it doesn't exist... Why wouldn't Mr. Fair report that fact?
4. Why can't Bill O or someone else trying to prove this call up the owner of the establishment for confirmation? They probably did and don't mention it because it couldn't be confirmed with the owner. Fair not to mention that?
5. So he just punched Jesse and ran? LOL, not the most flattering image. He punched someone in their 50's and ran... lol...
6. This stinks from almost every angle but you'll believe him because he has a few buddies, one unnamed that will back him up ::)
7. If Bill O did not investigate some of these things mentioned what's that say about his investigation into this matter? If he did and didn't mention this stuff, what's that say about Bill O's report on the matter?
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Well if two witnesses say it happens - now you are accusing three people of lying over ventura?
There were more than 2 witnesses "saying it happened" with herman cain, but without a notarized videotape of him cheating - everyone believed him.
I guess the burder of proof is much lower when it's newsmax guys trying to sell a newsmax book on a newsmax channel, trashing a guy that newsmax hates.
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There were more than 2 witnesses "saying it happened" with herman cain, but without a notarized videotape of him cheating - everyone believed him.
I guess the burder of proof is much lower when it's newsmax guys trying to sell a newsmax book on a newsmax channel, trashing a guy that newsmax hates.
I've always said the conservatives on this board are so blatantly hypocritical its amazing....I just get tired of constantly destroying them and exposing their incredibly stupid agendas....they don't even try to be fair..its just spouting nonsense after nonsense..get tired of debating the stupidity they constantly come up with..
good job 240
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What a crock of shit... You're such a dumbass 3333
Here's the clip:
1. Nowhere in this clip is it confirmed that Jesse said Seals should die, this testimony is that they just got in a fight.
2. This is disgusting, in the clip they say the onus is on Ventura to prove it didn't happen rather than the ones accusing him proving it did.
3. Where's the fucking police report you fucking moron? Bill O investeded? Well this was part of the story so if they didn't mention it it's because it doesn't exist... Why wouldn't Mr. Fair report that fact?
4. Why can't Bill O or someone else trying to prove this call up the owner of the establishment for confirmation? They probably did and don't mention it because it couldn't be confirmed with the owner. Fair not to mention that?
5. So he just punched Jesse and ran? LOL, not the most flattering image. He punched someone in their 50's and ran... lol...
6. This stinks from almost every angle but you'll believe him because he has a few buddies, one unnamed that will back him up ::)
7. If Bill O did not investigate some of these things mentioned what's that say about his investigation into this matter? If he did and didn't mention this stuff, what's that say about Bill O's report on the matter?
So this is what passes as investigations these days? ::) Guys like Bill should be held partially responsible for the dumbing down of America. Trash.
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Definitely more credibility to the guy's story with two SEALS who are still serving confirming his story. What incentive do they have to lie?
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Definitely more credibility to the guy's story with two SEALS who are still serving confirming his story. What incentive do they have to lie?
maybe they fucking hate Ventura, who knows. Maybe they think even being against the war is the worst transgression a Seal can make. I'm not in their heads and neither are you so don't act like there couldn't possibly be a reason.
Where's the evidense? Police were called and there's no report? ha...
This hasn't been confirmed through the establishment? WHY? That should be an easy call.
The logic that Seals can't lie has got to be the oddest shit I've ever heard. Or 3333 giving more cred in a bar fight to which Seal accomplished more ::)
Nobody seems to give a shit that this is completely opposite of what Jesse has said.
I also love Bill O asking Kyle if Ventura had been drinking but never asked if Kyle had been drinking ::)
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fox viewers aren't willing to admit the channel they love so much would carry on so one-sided in this particular issue.
i love fox, hannity boils my blood but i love watching and listening.
but in this case, bill oreilly gave softballs to this guy selling a book. He let the dude spin his narrative and didn't challenge it one bit. why? It served a fox goal of shitting on ventura, simple.
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maybe they fucking hate Ventura, who knows. Maybe they think even being against the war is the worst transgression a Seal can make. I'm not in their heads and neither are you so don't act like there couldn't possibly be a reason.
Where's the evidense? Police were called and there's no report? ha...
This hasn't been confirmed through the establishment? WHY? That should be an easy call.
The logic that Seals can't lie has got to be the oddest shit I've ever heard. Or 3333 giving more cred in a bar fight to which Seal accomplished more ::)
Nobody seems to give a shit that this is completely opposite of what Jesse has said.
I also love Bill O asking Kyle if Ventura had been drinking but never asked if Kyle had been drinking ::)
If I didn't think there could be reason, I'd say that. That's not what I said. Yes, all three could be lying.
But there doesn't appear to be any incentive for two SEALS (one active duty and one in the reserves) to just make up a story about Ventura. Now you have three SEALS telling the same story. This isn't anything like disgruntled former employees or some woman making an allegation years after the fact. This is three bad mofos all saying the same thing.
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If I didn't think there could be reason, I'd say that. That's not what I said. Yes, all three could be lying.
But there doesn't appear to be any incentive for two SEALS (one active duty and one in the reserves) to just make up a story about Ventura. Now you have three SEALS telling the same story. This isn't anything like disgruntled former employees or some woman making an allegation years after the fact. This is three bad mofos all saying the same thing.
Two people making accusations under anonymity. Ill be convinced when the bar owner or a police report comes out verifying the events, until then there is not proof at all that Ventura did what is claimed to have happened.
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Two people making accusations under anonymity. Ill be convinced when the bar owner or a police report comes out verifying the events, until then there is not proof at all that Ventura did what is claimed to have happened.
Actually it's only one person who is anonymous. Two have given their names.
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Actually it's only one person who is anonymous. Two have given their names.
hearmann cain approved
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Actually it's only one person who is anonymous. Two have given their names.
Does the one person include the sniper?
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Does the one person include the sniper?
No.
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Full spin mode in effect here for nothing more than political biased agenda. LOL!!!!
Pathetic.
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Full spin mode in effect here for nothing more than political biased agenda. LOL!!!!
Pathetic.
Who the fuck are you talking about? You're the one that started a thread with absolute condemnation for Ventura even before his side of the story was told. ::) I thought it only fucking fair that both sides be considered... big fucking deal...
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BOR said he spoke to a SEAL named "Andrew Paul" who said he said it was true. I googled the guy and he appears a SEAL. Dont know about the other guy.
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when you get your news from one place this is what you get the dumbing down of people.and most on here totally rely on fox news ,they try to say they get their news from other sources but all you have to do is read their post and its like it's coming right from bill or hannidy's mouth
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when you get your news from one place this is what you get the dumbing down of people.and most on here totally rely on fox news ,they try to say they get their news from other sources but all you have to do is read their post and its like it's coming right from bill or hannidy's mouth
LOL. This started from the Opie and anthony interview - not fox you douchebag.
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hahahahah i rest my case so they also get their news from opie and anthony :D :D :D
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hahahahah i rest my case so they also get their news from opie and anthony :D :D :D
Hey moron - someone called in the show and asked him about it. Are you really this stupid? Yes, you voted for Obama, so i guess we already established how incompetent you are.
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Who the fuck are you talking about? You're the one that started a thread with absolute condemnation for Ventura even before his side of the story was told. ::) I thought it only fucking fair that both sides be considered... big fucking deal...
No I didn't.
Your bad.
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Hey moron - someone called in the show and asked him about it. Are you really this stupid? Yes, you voted for Obama, so i guess we already established how incompetent you are.
close to 80,000 post on a political board on a getbig,can you really, really call anybody else stupid :D
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close to 80,000 post on a political board on a getbig,can you really, really call anybody else stupid :D
He sure as hell can't call anyone unemployed. That is for sure.
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Hey moron - someone called in the show and asked him about it. Are you really this stupid? Yes, you voted for Obama, so i guess we already established how incompetent you are.
That's another pretty odd thing... People know about what happenend and are calling in to ask about it and it never got to the media until now? TMZ pays big for stories like this. You didn't stop to think that the caller might have been planned before the show even started?
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No I didn't.
Your bad.
oh crap, I thought it was a post by 3333. lol.
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That's another pretty odd thing... People know about what happenend and are calling in to ask about it and it never got to the media until now? TMZ pays big for stories like this. You didn't stop to think that the caller might have been planned before the show even started?
could be - but he wrote about it in the book but did not name Ventura specifically. It was kind of obvious he was referring to ventuira in the chapter though.
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could be - but he wrote about it in the book but did not name Ventura specifically. It was kind of obvious he was referring to ventuira in the chapter though.
Did Klye say if he was drinking that day? He said Ventura wasn't drinking but nobody asked if he was drinking.
Nobody really gives a crap if it's just Klye punching Ventura. The thing that has everyone pissed off is if Ventura said Klye deserved to lose some men. The people backing up his story have only said that Klye did punch Ventura. That's not confirmation of what has people pissed at Ventura. No mention that I saw that Ventura said he deserved to lose men. I think it's only fair to ask if Kyle was drinking.
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oh crap, I thought it was a post by 3333. lol.
Yeah, I could tell. LOL Just busting you a bit.
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Did Klye say if he was drinking that day? He said Ventura wasn't drinking but nobody asked if he was drinking.
Nobody really gives a crap if it's just Klye punching Ventura. The thing that has everyone pissed off is if Ventura said Klye deserved to lose some men. The people backing up his story have only said that Klye did punch Ventura. That's not confirmation of what has people pissed at Ventura. No mention that I saw that Ventura said he deserved to lose men. I think it's only fair to ask if Kyle was drinking.
Oh i agree and from what i can tell, there is a good possibility that kyle was drunk and heard what he wanted to as opposed to what Ventura maybe actually said. I can definately see that.
In the book - its like 1 page and not too much detail.