I saw a fairly normal looking dude come into the gym one day. He did warm-ups with 135lbs and 225 on the bench. Put 315 on and easily pumped out 6 reps, I was impressed. He then raised the weight to 365 and ask another guy for a spot. He tore a pec so bad with this weight that 911 was called. When the paramedics arived the couldn't get his blood pressure to stabilize, he was going into shock. They ended up starting an IV and taking him to the hospital.thats because of any exercise where MUSCLE MASS actually counts its the bench press, EVERY legitimate 405 plus bencher has had thick muscle on top of more thick muscle, im not talking about 17 inch armed fakers like "mesmorph" but LEGIT 270 pound plus monsters.
thats because of any exercise where MUSCLE MASS actually counts its the bench press, EVERY legitimate 405 plus bencher has had thick muscle on top of more thick muscle, im not talking about 17 inch armed fakers like "mesmorph" but LEGIT 270 pound plus monsters.my arms are 19.7 i eigh between 224 226
my arms are 19.7 i eigh between 224 226post the video right here and right now, lets see.
i benched 405 and put the vid up here 3 years ago... :-\.. go search
... anyway that looked very painful..... should have stopped after the first lift
i see your back to old ways.....ran away from what guy? post the fucking video or shut your black lips.
by now you should know that doesnt work with me.. you or no man on planet earth demands anything from me
when u got owned and you ran away i posted the video its up somewhere if your that fussed and you NEED to see me do it go search for it 405 is no problem for me on a good day 3 or 4 reps....
ran away from what guy? post the fucking video or shut your black lips.Why do you have to always go down that road, Fat Dave? ::)
dude.... this thread is about a guy on youtube .... who tore his pec...lol, "middle aged guy", i guess the clock has stood still for you, shit you were 30 when i was ripping you a new asshole 6 years ago. ::)
how many times are you going to going to do this dance..... its old....
im not bothered... why do you care... your a middle aged guy... you should be setting an example for me....
let it go..... 7 yrs is a long time its old ....
anyway i hope that guys chest wasnt torn that bad....
those spotters should have pulled the weight earlier..... IMO
ran away from what guy? post the fucking video or shut your black lips.
Why do you have to always go down that road, Fat Dave? ::)oooooooooooh, prank phone calls, im terrified. ::)
U mad? Do we have to start calling family members, you filthy Pakistani piece of shit?
Why do you have to always go down that road, Fat Dave? ::)
U mad? Do we have to start calling family members, you filthy Pakistani piece of shit?
lol, "middle aged guy", i guess the clock has stood still for you, shit you were 30 when i was ripping you a new asshole 6 years ago. ::)
Tore mine with 405 on my 7th rep when I was 40. Flame on.
oooooooooooh, prank phone calls, im terrified. ::)Not pranks, fatty. ;)
Not pranks, fatty. ;)i could have 50 felonies on my record and it would STILL beat being black. :D
With all of those felonies and no college, can a fat fuck like you even get a job pumping gas? A parking lot attendant? How does it feel to be a complete lowlife piece of shit...not to mention PAKISTANI?
did you have to get surgury to repair it
Not pranks, fatty. ;)
With all of those felonies and no college, can a fat fuck like you even get a job pumping gas? A parking lot attendant? How does it feel to be a complete lowlife piece of shit...not to mention PAKISTANI?
lol, "middle aged guy", i guess the clock has stood still for you, shit you were 30 when i was ripping you a new asshole 6 years ago. ::)i was nowhere near 30 ,....6 years ago.....
Tore mine with 405 on my 7th rep when I was 40. Flame on.I squatted 405 once. :(
You flip burgers Benny, why the hate?he has no idea what i do for a living or anything about me except me and my family members names, he knows if he ever saw me on the street he would run and cower like the little chickenshit negro bitch he is.
Luckily no. But you can see the indentation in pics.
i was nowhere near 30 ,....6 years ago.....hahaha, "15 years older" so youre 24 now? when did you sign up to getbig when you were 8? you play the "gifted young brutha" act too much around here, everyone here knows you juice and youre at least 30 years old, get over yourself.
how wwere you tearing me an new asshole....
geez your mentally sick..... its a message board not real life.....
the video was posted its still here i benched.... 405.... everyone saw it....
.... where was the quaker who was pming me when he was in hiding....
he had a whole different tone....
all this kissing up to people .... your doing now that you have returned....
if i as like you Id post them for all to see...
but im the man so i dont have to do that dave or quacker etc....
you are at least 10 to 15 years older than me ...grow up man
lol, doesnt it ever bother you that you are a member of a race that has stood stagnant for 450 years in this country? you and your negro brethren cant have anything worth a dime "in yo hoods" because you violently rob and rape people like a bunch of fucking animals, even your hero Jesse jackson has said that he looks over his shoulder when hes in a black neighborhood, now prank call all the people you want to lazy welfare leaching scumbag guy, it wont change who you are and who you were born to be, a third class citizen.lol
he has no idea what i do for a living or anything about me except me and my family members names, he knows if he ever saw me on the street he would run and cower like the little chickenshit negro bitch he is.Oh, I know that you are an ex-con without a college education who has lived in a trailer park. This we ALL know...but I know so much more. ;)
i could have 50 felonies on my record and it would STILL beat being black. :D
hahaha, "15 years older" so youre 24 now? when did you sign up to getbig when you were 8? you play the "gifted young brutha" act too much around here, everyone here knows you juice and youre at least 30 years old, get over yourself.
I'd take Black any day of the week over being a fat PAKISTANI Muslim in 2012 America. ;Dmonkey didn't I school you enough with that Kunta Kinte video the other day, do I need to take the whip to you again? ;D
Anyone have the video where a fat powerlifter gets squashed under weight while squealing like a pig and shaking his legs uncontrollably?
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That makes me laugh every single time.
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thats no funny man.... damn :-\
... looks painful
I'm sure it is painful.
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why do these guys love to use those pointless bench shirts maybe if he was just benching as normal without it he wouldnt have broken his arm
why do these guys love to use those pointless bench shirts maybe if he was just benching as normal without it he wouldnt have broken his armExactly,because he wouldn`t be attempting to handle weight that was out of his natural potential.
Exactly,because he wouldn`t be attempting to handle weight that was out of his natural potential.this is REAL powerlifting, medium stance squats, no bench shirt, minimal equipment from the baddest guy to ever walk on this planet.
Those shirts and suits,giant arches on benches,too many so called spotters actually touching the bar while it`s still in motion,half squats with gigantically wide strances that barely hit paralell and are called good lifts,etc. etc,. really fucked up a great sport.
this is REAL powerlifting, medium stance squats, no bench shirt, minimal equipment from the baddest #### to ever walk on this planet.Hell yeah bro!!
Exactly,because he wouldn`t be attempting to handle weight that was out of his natural potential.IMO thats pointless though lets say the bench bencher can bench 700 for eg ...it will be still be super impressive... why do these guys put on these shirts and attempt 1000 or 900 ... Ill never understand.. its like attempting a 1500 deadlift and and having someone use a forklift truck to help... its pointless
Those shirts and suits,giant arches on benches,too many so called spotters actually touching the bar while it`s still in motion,half squats with gigantically wide strances that barely hit paralell and are called good lifts,etc. etc,. really fucked up a great sport.
this is REAL powerlifting, medium stance squats, no bench shirt, minimal equipment from the baddest #### to ever walk on this planet.this we can agree on.... ... just lift raw.... this bench suit etc is foolishness
IMO thats pointless though lets say the bench bencher can bench 700 for eg ...it will be still be super impressive... why do these guys put on these shirts and attempt 1000 or 900 ... Ill never understand.. its like attempting a 1500 deadlift and and having someone use a forklift truck to help... its pointlessIf I strapped a gigantic spring to my ass,I could probably squat 1000 pounds!! LOL ;D
If I strapped a gigantic spring to my ass,I could probably squat 1000 pounds!! LOL ;D
No clue bro..........I don`t get it either..it`s sure not an indication of a persons true power! :(
this is REAL powerlifting, medium stance squats, no bench shirt, minimal equipment from the baddest #### to ever walk on this planet.
Everyone wants to read an attempt at a "history lecture" from an educated Squadfather who is proud of his own heritage. All of your racial anger won't help the fact that you are a WINNER. If Blacks are "third class citizens", you must be FIRST class...
ran away from what guy? post the fucking video or shut your black lips.
How did a thread about a torn pic end up like this? Only on getbig.... exactly...
this is REAL powerlifting, medium stance squats, no bench shirt, minimal equipment from the baddest #### to ever walk on this planet.
IMO thats pointless though lets say the bench bencher can bench 700 for eg ...it will be still be super impressive... why do these guys put on these shirts and attempt 1000 or 900 ... Ill never understand.. its like attempting a 1500 deadlift and and having someone use a forklift truck to help... its pointless
I'll never understand it, It makes no sense at all to me...you can lift what you can lift...period.totally agree .. I think its an ego thing...
lol, compare this piece of shit to Kaz's squat, this fat clown moves the weight a total of 5 inches in 6 inch thick gear.
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/20036
this is REAL powerlifting, medium stance squats, no bench shirt, minimal equipment from the baddest #### to ever walk on this planet.
my arms are 19.7
Basically 20 inch arms on a natural? ::)lol, he used to claim 19 inch arms when he was 190 pounds, dude is the most genetically gifted human being to ever walk the face of the earth. ::)
Go join your brother Pat 'Negro Liar' Banya in the corner, ta ta.
Basically 20 inch arms on a natural? ::)
Go join your brother Pat 'Negro Liar' Banya in the corner, ta ta.
why does every jungle monkey with 15 inch arms think they need to wear size XXS Under Armor in da Gyzznim?You should ask your wife or step son..?
Without the bench shirt, he would not be able to even attempt to lift that much.
It's foolish..
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Go hard or go home...guess he's going home after that one :-\
agreed...The sport is a joke now, fucking shirts , spotters, 4 inch rom...These guys are so far removed from guys like Kaz...he was a monster...now you have these fat fucks that are a jokewhat i see around my area powerlifting seems to attract fat people maybe because it allows them to say they work out and "not worried about being cut"
Benny Magnusson is pretty awesome.super strong
Tore his pec on his second press with 385.. jusding from how he struggled with 365.. he should have quit while he was ahead..
ouch
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Tore his pec on his second press with 385.. jusding from how he struggled with 365.. he should have quit while he was ahead..
ouch
do i detect a hint of racial tension in this thread :D
Tore his pec on his second press with 385.. jusding from how he struggled with 365.. he should have quit while he was ahead..
ouch
I've got a few articles floating around if anyone cares to look them up...
heres the bottom line boys:
bench press sucks because it's a very bad position for the shoulders, not unlike the throwing position in baseball, etc...
we aren't naturally built for the bench as most people have one arm slightly longer than the other, which automatically places the stress on the longer arm/ shoulder, especially at the bottom of the movement
The straight bar automatically put your shoulder/ pec into a bad position as its an unnatural one....unless you walk with you knuckles dragging on the ground...out hands are naturally angled.
most people have one arm weaker than the other, which only emphasis the above, especially if the weaker arm is the longer one
Unless you're built for the bench....short, stocky, short arms, barrel chest....AND have the proper technique....the bench should ONLY be used as just another exercise for chest, no different and no more importance than a pec deck, fly or decline....
Mike McDonald was ridiculous, if I'm thinking of the right guy. Late 70s/early 80s and could bench 500+ raw and looked like nothing special at all.That`s the same Mike McDonald bro............one of the best benchers ever!
The worst part of the shirts isn't so much the top guys as the twinks who bench 250, throw on a bench shirt and can tell all their friends they benched 400-500 in a meet. Brutal.
If you watch the video again a little closer...you can see on the first rep, he most likely tears it a bit at the finish of the first attempt...look at the grimace on his face and the turn to that side as he flexes it...
Finished it off at the second attempt....guy wasn't built for bench, long arms, grip to narrow, not big front to back....
I've said it for years boys....bench press...worst exercise for chest, the cause of 99 percent of pec tears...I would give it 100 percent, but other than the exception, chances are the injury doing something else, was set up by the bench prior.
to quote myself : "It's not how much you bench, it's how much you LOOK like you can bench!"
I've got a few articles floating around if anyone cares to look them up...I haven`t benched in years, except for jumping in on that rep contest in Rochester a few years back at Jims show Bob.
heres the bottom line boys:
bench press sucks because it's a very bad position for the shoulders, not unlike the throwing position in baseball, etc...
we aren't naturally built for the bench as most people have one arm slightly longer than the other, which automatically places the stress on the longer arm/ shoulder, especially at the bottom of the movement
The straight bar automatically put your shoulder/ pec into a bad position as its an unnatural one....unless you walk with you knuckles dragging on the ground...out hands are naturally angled.
most people have one arm weaker than the other, which only emphasis the above, especially if the weaker arm is the longer one
Unless you're built for the bench....short, stocky, short arms, barrel chest....AND have the proper technique....the bench should ONLY be used as just another exercise for chest, no different and no more importance than a pec deck, fly or decline....
@wesI`ve been doing legs on Mondays for many years now.....tired of the bench pressing gangs doing 2-3 reps per set,resting 10 minutes and working with 10 other guys yelling!! ;D
You are so right ... Come monday dont even try to get a bench to bench press
I actually had to change my split to back on Monday's because of this worldwide Monday = bench day phenomenon
;D
Yes I watched it again he did grimace towards the end of the rep ... And when he got up and swum his arms you could see the pain on his face ... Probably partially torn at that point.. But the male ego is a strong thing .... I remember years ago in flex where you (chick) wrote an article sacrificing sacred cows and you stated bench press as a dangerous excersise back then I was 3 to 4 years into my training so I laughed at that article and said it was nonsense... Now nearly 10 yrs in I agree and only bench every so often maybe 8 times a year if that I think dumbells are harder and better ... Bench is a good excersise in the early years but as the years pass should be used sparingly.It's funny
It's funnyLOL ;D
I've received many similar stories to you own over the years....as guys got older, wiser, experienced many of the things I mentioned. you wouldn't believe the hate mail I got after that article ran...you would think I committed blasphemy against their God.
Unfortunately, it's the only thing people really seem to key in on....
No one ever asks me how much I curl, how much I do laterals with, how much I use with triceps....just one question....
" WHADDYA BENCH?"
It's funny
I've received many similar stories to you own over the years....as guys got older, wiser, experienced many of the things I mentioned. you wouldn't believe the hate mail I got after that article ran...you would think I committed blasphemy against their God.
Unfortunately, it's the only thing people really seem to key in on....
No one ever asks me how much I curl, how much I do laterals with, how much I use with triceps....just one question....
" WHADDYA BENCH?"
I've said it for years boys....bench press...worst exercise for chest, the cause of 99 percent of pec tears...I would give it 100 percent, but other than the exception, chances are the injury doing something else, was set up by the bench prior.
You are a moron. Scientific studies as well as human morphology clearly indicates the bench press activates the greatest amount of sarcomeres of the pectoralis major and minor. Some exercises like peck deck flies and pullovers work the pecs more directly, but they do not result in an increase in the diameter of the sarcomeres of the pec muscles as much due to much lower resistence. In the bench press, you need to balance the bar and you can put more weight than in machine movements, which results in much greater resistence and sarcomere activation. All the bodybuilders with the biggest pecs like Arnold, Lou and Ronnie all had the bench press as the stapple of their pec training regimen. But what do you know? You are a mediocre bodybuilder with guido pecs.
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When I lived in Florida I spotted some kid on the bench and he got one hard rep with 275...........I told him "nice bench bro' !!
He says his bench sucked ,but for a smaller guy I thought it was decent powerwise,then he tells me that 275 for a max is what he`s been doing for the last 5 years!!
WTF ???
DUH!!!!! ;D
Lol...classicI`m gonna` try to make it but I`m doing the Masters Nats,North America,and NABBA Nats so money might be a factor. :(
Rochester show in April his year...you going?
using lighter weights and lowering the bar to the upper chest seems to activate to most pectoral fibers (and less triceps)To the neck is good also, but it forces people to use much lighter weight so it is an affront to their egos.....so they get stuck on stupid and keep right on making the same mistakes.
To the neck is good also, but it forces people to use much lighter weight so it is an affront to their egos.....so they get stuck on stupid and keep right on making the same mistakes.If the guy in the vid was doing bp to the neck, he wouldn't even had the opportunity to yell, even though there were lots of spotters. To the neck is always too risky..
If the guy in the vid was doing bp to the neck, he wouldn't even had the opportunity to yell, even though there were lots of spotters. To the neck is always too risky..Elbows way back,lighter weight (say 10-12 reps),slow and controlled.
Go hard or go home...guess he's going home after that one :-\
If the guy in the vid was doing bp to the neck, he wouldn't even had the opportunity to yell, even though there were lots of spotters. To the neck is always too risky..
225 to the neck wouldve been better for his pec development rather than the single with 385 to the sternum.... But he felt that he had to put on a show.. perform for the cameras... impress the crowdAnd almost kill himself showboating! ;D
The DB flat bench is even more efficient, allows for separate ROM and builds just as well if not better...all the advantages, none of the risks.
Another thing your forgetting....MOST guys don't bench properly, using a grip too narrow to be able to bench more weight, which only utilizes the triceps, rear delts more...making it relatively inefficient as a sole chest builder.
I love the Arnold and Lou reference....here's a little tidbit for you...The old school guys used old school techniques...because that's all the had at the time...look at any of the newer pieces of equipment...all have angled handles, positions more ergonomically correct...
The DB flat bench is even more efficient, allows for separate ROM and builds just as well if not better...all the advantages, none of the risks.
I've got a few articles floating around if anyone cares to look them up...
heres the bottom line boys:
bench press sucks because it's a very bad position for the shoulders, not unlike the throwing position in baseball, etc...
we aren't naturally built for the bench as most people have one arm slightly longer than the other, which automatically places the stress on the longer arm/ shoulder, especially at the bottom of the movement
The straight bar automatically put your shoulder/ pec into a bad position as its an unnatural one....unless you walk with you knuckles dragging on the ground...out hands are naturally angled.
most people have one arm weaker than the other, which only emphasis the above, especially if the weaker arm is the longer one
Unless you're built for the bench....short, stocky, short arms, barrel chest....AND have the proper technique....the bench should ONLY be used as just another exercise for chest, no different and no more importance than a pec deck, fly or decline....
I haven`t benched in years, except for jumping in on that rep contest in Rochester a few years back at Jims show Bob.
One thing I try to tell younger guys is that it`s great to have a goal of benching 405 or 500 pounds,but after many years of training,most will never even approach anywhere those numbers even on gear.
I`ve done a legit double bodyweight bench and that`s the best I could do....not bad,but nowhere near what I once envishioned myself doing as in my mind as a goal.
The longer you are a bodybuilder,the more you realize that it takes more than just moving a huge weight from "Point-A" to "Point-B".
Bad shoulders and torn pecs are waiting for todays teens and guys that still max out on benches every Monday in gyms around the world,and most will have mediocre pec development as a result of all those low rep and max benches.
Some guys do indeed have a natural propensity to be great benchers and will move a ton of weight and build armor plated pecs,but those guys are the exceptions and are a huge rarity.
They`re stuck on stupid. ;D
brilliant, at my gym every monday i used to see the squad of same guy failling their max week after week lol
aside from the .. how much can you bench question .. the main reason guys prefer bb press is ... its easy to spot on Barbel presses and have their training partners pull weights that they could never bench by themselves off their chestLOL ;D
this guy in the video below thought his friend would pull the bar off him....
but fotunatley his friend is a good spotter and taught him a valuable lesson
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LOL ;D
IDIOTS!!
The spotter would have had to do some heavy ass upright rows if he had the chance!! ;D
hahahahhahSome folks never learn even after decades of training. :(
funny thing is there are some 40 yr old plus bbers who train like this in my gym
... hilarious to watch them scream while their partners pull the weights off them
thats sad... and that why a lot of people never make gains...That`s smart,too bad we can`t spread this info worldwide! :)
in my first year of training i used to do silly stuff like then i went to a proper gym i loaded up the bar and asked the owner to sopt me i came up halfway and he let the bar stay there before giving me a one finger spot.....
from that day ive never put weight on the bar i cant rack by myself.....
That`s smart,too bad we can`t spread this info worldwide! :)if i owned a gym id put a sign near the bench press
if i owned a gym id put a sign near the bench pressYeah but then we wouldn`t have these videos to make fun of! :)
" if you cant get one rep by yourself you cant bench the weight"
If you watch the video again a little closer...you can see on the first rep, he most likely tears it a bit at the finish of the first attempt...look at the grimace on his face and the turn to that side as he flexes it...I know only two people personally that have torn their pecs, both did it doing dips. One didn't even bench cause it was "too dangerous" :o
Finished it off at the second attempt....guy wasn't built for bench, long arms, grip to narrow, not big front to back....
I've said it for years boys....bench press...worst exercise for chest, the cause of 99 percent of pec tears...I would give it 100 percent, but other than the exception, chances are the injury doing something else, was set up by the bench prior.
to quote myself : "It's not how much you bench, it's how much you LOOK like you can bench!"
thats because of any exercise where MUSCLE MASS actually counts its the bench press, EVERY legitimate 405 plus bencher has had thick muscle on top of more thick muscle, im not talking about 17 inch armed fakers like "mesmorph" but LEGIT 270 pound plus monsters.
I know only two people personally that have torn their pecs, both did it doing dips. One didn't even bench cause it was "too dangerous" :o
Tore his pec on his second press with 385.. jusding from how he struggled with 365.. he should have quit while he was ahead..
ouch
If he would have stretched his right pec(not just the left one in the vid) he would have nailed it.... BOOM!!!! :D
BTW, the getbigger in the blue tank top is clearly off season
::)i think it was for a bench competition....... he should have quit after the first press of 365.... he barley got that and you could see it hurt
one negro showing off to a bunch of whites, and he probably dont have the money to get it fixed. if i cant get 5 nice reps with the weight i don't fuck with it. no contest earnings, no supplement contract, no nothing, no reason to get hurt.
Umm no. The 181 class at most meets will have someone hitting over 4 bills.yes because that Bama/LSU game was such a nail biter, all field goals and a meaningless touchdown from Richardson, OSU would have cleaned house on either one of them.
Dave, b/t your out of touch reality with OSU football and your distorted concept of benchpressing I'm beginning to worry about u a little big guy ;)
Haha, uberman steps in there at the end to give them a talking-to on using clips and having absent father figures.
thats sad... and that why a lot of people never make gains...Same, I never use a spot.
in my first year of training i used to do silly stuff like then i went to a proper gym i loaded up the bar and asked the owner to sopt me i came up halfway and he let the bar stay there before giving me a one finger spot.....
from that day ive never put weight on the bar i cant rack by myself.....
Haha, uberman steps in there at the end to give them a talking-to on using clips and having absent father figures.;D
You are a moron. Scientific studies as well as human morphology clearly indicates the bench press activates the greatest amount of sarcomeres of the pectoralis major and minor. Some exercises like peck deck flies and pullovers work the pecs more directly, but they do not result in an increase in the diameter of the sarcomeres of the pec muscles as much due to much lower resistence. In the bench press, you need to balance the bar and you can put more weight than in machine movements, which results in much greater resistence and sarcomere activation. All the bodybuilders with the biggest pecs like Arnold, Lou and Ronnie all had the bench press as the stapple of their pec training regimen. But what do you know? You are a mediocre bodybuilder with guido pecs.The most recent studies that Brett contreras did showed that Decline Db presses activated more than any other pressing movement IIRC.
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The most recent studies that Brett contreras did showed that Decline Db presses activated more than any other pressing movement IIRC.strained a pec doing heavy decline dumbell presses.... yes the do hit chest nicely... but dangerous
strained a pec doing heavy decline dumbell presses.... yes the do hit chest nicely... but dangerous
The most recent studies that Brett contreras did showed that Decline Db presses activated more than any other pressing movement IIRC.
Can't blame the angle on that. You should probably look at your thoracic mobility and work on upper cross syndrome if you have that. Most people are too internally rotated anyway.
Can't blame the angle on that. You should probably look at your thoracic mobility and work on upper cross syndrome if you have that. Most people are too internally rotated anyway.(http://gfishoutofwater.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/english-do-you-speak-it-demotivational-poster.jpg)
The bench press is the most over rated exercise. It's a really poor indicator of strength.
A better indicator would be a clean and press but that involves to much work. It's easier to lie on a bed and push a weight.
Can't blame the angle on that. You should probably look at your thoracic mobility and work on upper cross syndrome if you have that. Most people are too internally rotated anyway.Brutal overanalysing!!
Please speak more on these topics.
Brutal overanalysing!!
I never claimed that the flat bench press activates the most of all; I said it activates far more than machine moves. Also, the flat dumbbel press is better for triceps, anterior delt and trap thickness.
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I never claimed that the flat bench press activates the most of all; I said it activates far more than machine moves. Also, the flat dumbbel press is better for triceps, anterior delt and trap thickness. Anyway, I do dumbbell presses and not flat bench for practical reasons - the bench always has a line to be used, so I use a regular bench and dumbbells instead of the flat bench.
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Trap thickness? Wtf are you talking about?"machine moves", lol, fucking homo.
Trap thickness? Wtf are you talking about?
"machine moves", lol, fucking homo.
lol, fucking twink.
You fat fagggot, you don't know a thing about exercise. Go eat pork rinds in your trailer park you white trash bitch.lol, calm down 6'5" 350 pound shredded animal who can break 3 German Shepherds spines with his bare hands and benches 650 for reps, i wouldnt want to get an internet monster like you all riled up. ;D
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Rumor around the PM world is that sucksmanmeat has a dirty homosexual past on other boards and enjoys checking out young men in their lubed up assholes without tight white underwear.fixed.
lol, calm down 6'5" 350 pound shredded animal who can break 3 German Shepherds spines with his bare hands and benches 650 for reps, i wouldnt want to get an internet monster like you all riled up.
David Mirza, listen to me. You are a fat queer and a complete loser. You got owned by Derek Anthony, a homosexual. How you have the balls to come back to this board is beyond me. Have you no shame ??? You are a fat piece of shit and you look like garbage. You are short, ugly, fat and stupid. You truly are a trailer park loser with no life. How can a 5'7 fat loser such as yourself criticize anyone for physique-building skills is beyond me. Seriously, queer, STFU or I will start picking on you until you cry. Just like Derek Anthony did.hahahahaa, you think that by mentioning my name youre doing something? im 5'11" BTW and dont live in a trailer, never have, you should post some proof that youre really 6'5" and 300 pounds of shredded mass like you claim, bitch boy.
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David Mirza, listen to me. You are a fat queer and a complete loser. You got owned by Derek Anthony, a homosexual. How you have the balls to come back to this board is beyond me. Have you no shame ??? You are a fat piece of shit and you look like garbage. You are short, ugly, fat and stupid. You truly are a trailer park loser with no life. How can a 5'7 fat loser such as yourself criticize anyone for physique-building skills is beyond me. Seriously, queer, STFU or I will start picking on you until you cry. Just like Derek Anthony did.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You fat fagggot son of a bitch, you are fat, short, ugly, poor and very stupid. You got humiliated by a homosexual, you stupid queer. Why did you come back ??? Can't you see you are now officially a bitch in this board? You do live in a trailer, you are fat, your wife from what I recall is a fat cow as well and you are a complete loser who was exposed by Derek Anthony as being basically an indigent living in a trailer. Your wife/girlfriend or whatever is a fat ugly cow and I literally laughed out loud when people were making fun of her and you tried to defend her! ;D You were so, so humiliated, Fat Dave. So sad.lol, if youre such a man post your real name here, EVERYONE knows mine, post pics too because everyone has seen mine.
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The most recent studies that Brett contreras did showed that Decline Db presses activated more than any other pressing movement IIRC.
Recently Contreras called out Dr. Stuart McGill...a doctor, Contreras...a PHd student. Both are very intelligent but the student should not call out a respected doctor. I've been to a few McGill seminars and Contreras is no McGill not in anyway, shape or form.
Why not? Doctors are not infallible. How do you expect any progress to be made unless someone is willing to challenge the authority?
You don't know who McGill is do you?
I do not, but that's beside the point. If the student has got a legitimate reason/hypothesis to question the doctor, then why shouldn't he/she? I'm not saying that either one of them are right or wrong, but my point is that 'authority' counts for very little when it comes to science. To simply say that a student is automatically wrong and the doctor infallible is a huge mistake.
You are talking to literally a coach. Do you really think he can understand the folly of using argumentum ad verecundiam?
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Bench Press = Trap thickness - suckmymuscle
You're not even in my world son.
What's the best exercise for traps? Does it matter which grip is used for upright rows?These are the exercises you need for a Great Physique:
Bench Press = Trap thickness - suckmymuscle
You're not even in my world son.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the flat bench works every major upper body muscle group to some degree.
PROBABLY he tore is pec.. but how do we know the bar didn't just slip outta his grip?he tore it ... he says so in his video description
Exactly. But tell that to "Coach". Dude is seriously the dumbest guy in this board besides Johnny Failcon.
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Imagine if suckmymuscle was ever outed. That would go down as one of the best ever for sure.
he doesn't talk shit... it's obvious suckmymuscle knows what he's talking about. you can't get outed if you don't talk shit.::) Bi-polar?
::) Bi-polar?
;D
my buddy completly tore his pec benching 250lbs. don't ask me how. we were 20 or so at the time.lol, the "doctor" must have just watched this gem. ;D
however at the hospital the doctor told him that tears can only happen if you're on steroids so that must be the reason.
Sucky, can you explain again to me how a bench shirt is like having an extra tendon? Your impassioned speech to this topic fits quite well with the bench press video from the OP. You can stress how the bench shirt would have acted like an extra tendon and helped keep the lad from tearing his pectoralis.
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...Coach stomped like a bitch!!! Thanks, ND. I was too indolent to care to post evidence for why he is wrong.
It seems like Suckmymuscle, who has no special training in kinesiology, knows more about this shit than "Coach" who dedicated his entire pathetic life to it. So I know more than this moron even in the one area he is supposed to know more than me. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The bench shirt allows you to bench more because it restricts your plane of motion and thus allows you to focus more sarcomeres on moving the weight rather than balancing it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
;D
You're one dumb SOB. You said it helped for thicker traps. Any dumbshit knows you need those muscles recruited for stabilization. You acted like it trap exercise.
That is not really its primary role. The shirt stretches and provides extra torque around the shoulders.
No, most of the strength gain it causes is due to restricting the plane of motion which allows you to focus more sarcomeres on moving hte weight than balancing it. It is the same reason why you can bench a lot more in a smith machine rather than with a barbell.
The amount of momentum transfered in the form of kinetic energy from the eccentric part of the exercise to the elastic tissue of the shirt is very, very small. Think of a pencil rubber. If you squeeze it down and then release it, the degree it stretches up is much less than the compression you did to it. Very little knetic energy is stored to be released.
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lol, the "doctor" must have just watched this gem. ;D
have you ever used a bench shirt? my single ply katana needed over 600lbs of pressure to be able to touch my chest, so no, it doesn't just 'focus the sarcomeres'. you need to use the correct plane to maximise the shirt's leverage but its very easy to dump the weight and hurt yourself. nothing at all like smith machine.
No, most of the strength gain it causes is due to restricting the plane of motion which allows you to focus more sarcomeres on moving hte weight than balancing it. It is the same reason why you can bench a lot more in a smith machine rather than with a barbell.
The amount of momentum transfered in the form of kinetic energy from the eccentric part of the exercise to the elastic tissue of the shirt is very, very small. Think of a pencil rubber. If you squeeze it down and then release it, the degree it stretches up is much less than the compression you did to it. Very little knetic energy is stored to be released.
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Oh boy where to begin? Have you every actually used a bench shirt?
(1) I'll start with a quick physics lesson:
Momentum and energy are different physical quantities, so to talk about one being transferred in the form of the other is nonsensical.
Momentum in any case is not an important variable at all in (properly judged) powerlifting because you have to pause at the bottom (zero momentum). The strain energy in the shirt does not come from a change in momentum, it comes from the bar being lowered to the chest (change in potential energy).
"Restricting the plane of motion" has little if anything to do with it, nor does benching on a smith versus a free weight.
A good shirt literally adds hundreds of pounds to a lift. Nobody gets hundreds of extra pounds out of a smith machine.
The correct discussion is on the strain energy transferred into the shirt, which is, I assure you, quite substantial, as the shirts are very stiff. This is why you can lift more in a triple-ply shirt than in a double or a single (thicker, stiffer, more energy stored for a given stretch). It is conceptually the same thing as lifting with rubber bands supporting the bar, which don't "restrict the plane of motion" at all, but sure make the lift a lot easier, more so with stiffer bands.
(2) In the sequel we'll move onto material science:
An eraser acting in compression is in no way comparable to a bench shirt acting under tension. Try stretching this eraser or any elastic material like a rubber band and see how quickly it returns to its original length. Refer back the rubber band example if you're having trouble keeping up. Muscles only act under tension so I'm not sure why you would think a compressive case is in any way relevant.
(3) And to close it off, a lesson in psychology:
You're a fucking moron.
lol @ "the pause is irrelevant"
Have you seriously never heard of strain energy ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strain_energy
Perhaps "elastic energy" is a term your third-tier education is more familiar with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastic_energy
I won't bother addressing the rest of your meaningless drivel (you actually just repeated my argument) but why should anyone be humble around you? You're the most arrogant, prickish, poorly-liked poster on this whole site.
If the concept of muscles only acting in tension is incomprehensible to you then I suggest abandoning this debate.
In fact I'll tell you what, Mr.Suckmymuscle, if you can find even one other prominent poster who agrees with you I'll post my account password right here in this thread.
What the fuck has muscles acting under tension got to do with the etiology of increased strength from using a benching shirt? And how am I repeating your arguments, dumbass? You are arguing that the benching shirt increases strength because it increases torque
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The bench shirt allows you to bench more because it restricts your plane of motion and thus allows you to focus more sarcomeres on moving the weight rather than balancing it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It does help for thicker traps, moron.
Bench press = works the traps thus makes it thicker. Duh!!!! :P
Pec Deck flyes and pullovers = do not work the traps hence = does not make them thicker.
I do not know how I can make this any simpler for youyr retarded middle school P.E teacher brain to understand.
I never said the bench press directly works the traps, you dumb fucktard; I said it works the traps too. But apparently, seventh grade reading comprehension is beyond you.
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What's the best exercise for traps? Does it matter which grip is used for upright rows?
The only "dumb fucktard" here is you.
Pro bodybuilders bench up to 7 plates a side on the smith, but they can barely bench 4 on the flat bench.
This is exactly right, yes. The shirt creates net torques about the joints that the lifter otherwise could not create on their own. Anyone with any basic understanding of mechanics can tell you this.
The semantic distinction between "torque" and "moment (of force)" varies from field to field and, in my experience, is only used by people who don't have something more interesting to say (hmm....).
"Truth" is obtained through the scientific method, not some philosophical "logic" bullshit. Hope this helps.
SMM, are you a researcher in a university? I've been reading some of your nutrition stuff and the depth you display is impressive, leads me to believe you do this on a professional basis.
Pity that you're an otherwise drab, obnoxious, humourless cunt.
SMM, are you a researcher in a university? I've been reading some of your nutrition stuff and the depth you display is impressive, leads me to believe you do this on a professional basis.
Pity that you're an otherwise drab, obnoxious, humourless cunt.
Also keep in mind that 'suckmymuscle' claims to be a 6'4 350lb perfect specimen of a human being that can break the spine of a german shepherd with his bare hands. I think what we've got here is someone similar to True Adonis... likes to make huge claims for himself, comes off as fairly knowledgeable although it's pretty obvious he's only a layman and not professionally educated in these fields and above all, enjoys trolling.You may be right ,but I have witnessed the True Adonis de-spine a German Shepherd while whipping up a batch of "Thomas Jefferson Muffins" without so much as missing a beat,so that gives TA far more credibility in this particular instance.
Love all of these "scientific" theories by SMM and the only one's that make sense are the one's by Hulkotron. But what it comes down to is.....are your clients getting results? SMM....what about YOUR clients?Coach Joe,throwing down the gauntlet!
Also keep in mind that 'suckmymuscle' claims to be a 6'4 350lb perfect specimen of a human being that can break the spine of a german shepherd with his bare hands. I think what we've got here is someone similar to True Adonis... likes to make huge claims for himself, comes off as fairly knowledgeable although it's pretty obvious he's only a layman and not professionally educated in these fields and above all, enjoys trolling.
Love all of these "scientific" theories by SMM and the only one's that make sense are the one's by Hulkotron. But what it comes down to is.....are your clients getting results? SMM....what about YOUR clients?
Probably because I'm an actual human movement scientist who does actual peer-reviewed research. What are SuckMyProlapsedAnus's credentials ???
1. smoke a bowl
2. delete all this name calling bullshit
3. watch more kaz
4. repeat as needed
David Mirza, listen to me. You are a fat queer and a complete loser. You got owned by Derek Anthony, a homosexual. How you have the balls to come back to this board is beyond me. Have you no shame ??? You are a fat piece of shit and you look like garbage. You are short, ugly, fat and stupid. You truly are a trailer park loser with no life. How can a 5'7 fat loser such as yourself criticize anyone for physique-building skills is beyond me. Seriously, queer, STFU or I will start picking on you until you cry. Just like Derek Anthony did.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Imagine if suckmymuscle was ever outed. That would go down as one of the best ever for sure.
Tore his pec on his second press with 385.. jusding from how he struggled with 365.. he should have quit while he was ahead..can't watch don't need anymore bad kharma. ;D ;D
ouch
can't watch don't need anymore bad kharma. ;D ;D
His spotter should have done a better job. He saw the way he handled the first rep he should of been more cautious the 2nd time around.exactly he didnt get the first weight clean shouldnt have gone in on the heavier weight
I've got a few articles floating around if anyone cares to look them up...
heres the bottom line boys:
bench press sucks because it's a very bad position for the shoulders, not unlike the throwing position in baseball, etc...
we aren't naturally built for the bench as most people have one arm slightly longer than the other, which automatically places the stress on the longer arm/ shoulder, especially at the bottom of the movement
The straight bar automatically put your shoulder/ pec into a bad position as its an unnatural one....unless you walk with you knuckles dragging on the ground...out hands are naturally angled.
most people have one arm weaker than the other, which only emphasis the above, especially if the weaker arm is the longer one
Unless you're built for the bench....short, stocky, short arms, barrel chest....AND have the proper technique....the bench should ONLY be used as just another exercise for chest, no different and no more importance than a pec deck, fly or decline....
I did 405 about 7 years ago and my shoulder was sore for nearly three weeks. A few days prior, I'd done an even 400. I didn't tear anything. But, at that point, I figured enough was enough.
I just wanted to prove to myself that I could legitimately bench press 400+ on my own (as in, the spotter just helped me unrack it and doesn't touch the weight unless I absolutely can't move it). I haven't tried it since September 2005.
Now, I concentrate on inclines. Since I usually work with 315-335, I figure I can do over 400 on the flat. But, instead of flat bench presses, I use the vertical chess press machine.
WOW!..those Muscle-Tech products are really working for you
So are the ones from VPX, Vitamin Shoppe, Inner Armour, Vitamin World, Body Fortress, etc.
Tore mine with 405 on my 7th rep when I was 40. Flame on.