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Oh my: Gingrich’s lead increasing in final hours before South Carolina vote? (Newt by 9 or 10)
HotAir ^ | 1/20/2012 | ALLAHPUNDIT
Posted on January 20, 2012 10:27:48 PM EST by TBBT
Normally I wouldn’t build a post around a single tweet but this one from PPP is too tantalizing to ignore. Polls open in SC tomorrow bright and early at 7 a.m.:
Newt posted his best numbers of our 3 day field period tonight
On Wednesday, they found Gingrich with a six-point lead. Yesterday they found the same. Today it’s … greater than six, although they haven’t posted the exact numbers yet. Jed Lewison of Daily Kos, which uses PPP as its pollster, guesses it’s now Newt by nine or 10 points, which makes sense if you assume another little boost from last night’s debate plus Perry dropping out and endorsing Gingrich. The exact numbers are less important, though, than the fact that Newt’s apparently putting distance between himself and Romney as time runs out. Hard to see how he doesn’t win now — dirty tricks notwithstanding. (He’s at 82 percent on InTrade, up more than 10 points from this afternoon.)
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Wow.
So Santorum first in IA?
Then Mitt first in NH
Ron Paul gaining significant delegates in both
and now Newt first in SC
Sounds like it's going to be a fun and interesting race.
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Wow.
So Santorum first in IA?
Then Mitt first in NH
Ron Paul gaining significant delegates in both
and now Newt first in SC
Sounds like it's going to be a fun and interesting race.
As of today I am RP, RS, NG, MR in that order.
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I really want to fucking puke. The fucking media made this Newt issue a positive by being the douchebag losers they are. Newt turned it on the media and it works because we all hate the fucking media. So now the media is pandering to Newt for the full sob story because they ended up looking like asses ::)
Brilliant,.... I still want to puke because he doesn't deserve a speck of this shit. This is born out of hate of the media, not Newt being in the right.
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listening to CNN interview people, there are a shit load of people who say they are changing their vote to Newt because of the big question on his marriage he hit out of the park ::)
Now that's fucking delusional. That's people changing their vote based on hate of the media... Brilliantly played by Newt, fucking lame by the voters...
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As of today I am RP, RS, NG, MR in that order.
I am RP all the way.
In terms of, excluding RP, who is the least evil, I rank them as MR, NG, RS.
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Ugh.
Not a fan of Newt, but I hate Santorum..
If not RP, Im on the fence, I dont know who I dislike more, Newt or Romney.
Probably Romney, only based on the fact that I believe he's just another Obama.
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I am RP all the way.
In terms of, excluding RP, who is the least evil, I rank them as MR, NG, RS.
how do you even begin to judge where mitt ranks? The guy so obviously just says what he thinks will get him elected. Nobody has as many flip flops as Romney.
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Newt is going to win this thing. People are going to jump on that waggon just because of his debate skills and ability to handle shit tossed in his face, even if he does deserve it.
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how do you even begin to judge where mitt ranks? The guy so obviously just says what he thinks will get him elected. Nobody has as many flip flops as Romney.
Im amazed he's getting such a pass, when people have went fucking psycho on that in the past.
Who was the notorious flip flopper in the past races? Kerry?
I cant remember, but I do remember people flipping a fucking lid that the man had no convictions, makes him look like a tool that doesnt give a shit about the country, just about the power and prestige of the presidency.
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how do you even begin to judge where mitt ranks? The guy so obviously just says what he thinks will get him elected. Nobody has as many flip flops as Romney.
Mitt at least has real private sector experience that's impressive. Cutting down companies, downsizing their operations, making them more efficient is a selling point to me. He also has a record of balancing budgets. And his flip-flops don't concern me that much, since I like his positions on gay marriage and abortion before he flipped. Fiscally responsible, socially moderate is preferable to the other candidates out there besides Ron Paul.
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Im amazed he's getting such a pass, when people have went fucking psycho on that in the past.
Who was the notorious flip flopper in the past races? Kerry?
I cant remember, but I do remember people flipping a fucking lid that the man had no convictions, makes him look like a tool that doesnt give a shit about the country, just about the power and prestige of the presidency.
yea, I think it's obvious, they're going to hand this to Newt. Mitt is just too shaddy with his flip flopping. You have vids of mitt for abortion and now he's against it but before that he was against it when he was interested in running in Utah... People see Mitt for what he is... And Newt is a fucking turd but people are going to settle with the fact that nobody on the stage can debate like he can. He can bullshit better than anyone.
Newt wins this primary... and I'm going out back to puke now.
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cann handed him a softball. they WANT a close race that goes down to the wire. good for ratings $$$$$$$$$$$4
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I hope this goes down in history as the race "the media won" so people can finally begin to get it into their heads that they are allowing the media to use their own personal bias to manipulate the viewers and dictate who gets elected.
People need to figure this out, and not decide to vote for Gengrich "cause he answered the marriage question well".
I mean, WTF?! Not where he stands on the issues, not what his record has been, just how well he answeres questions!?
Thats why we have Barack Obama, and look how fucking good that worked out!
Im seriously begining to doubt the mental capacity of the average voter. I think our country is doomed because of these weak minded idiot citizens.
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I think people like the fact that Newt attacks Obama and is a fighter and is aggressive. RP, like I have said endlessly, is a horrible campaigner and is holding itself back by refusing to attack Obama.
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Romney is a white Obama--someone who's just gonna sit on the sidelines and do as he's told. Gingrich is a dinosaur who can't find his way into the nearest tarpit.
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Romney is a white Obama--someone who's just gonna sit on the sidelines and do as he's told. Gingrich is a dinosaur who can't find his way into the nearest tarpit.
If newt wins, I can't wait for him to call thugbama a Saul Alinsky radical on stage
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I hope this goes down in history as the race "the media won" so people can finally begin to get it into their heads that they are allowing the media to use their own personal bias to manipulate the viewers and dictate who gets elected.
People need to figure this out, and not decide to vote for Gengrich "cause he answered the marriage question well".
I mean, WTF?! Not where he stands on the issues, not what his record has been, just how well he answeres questions!?
Thats why we have Barack Obama, and look how fucking good that worked out!
Im seriously begining to doubt the mental capacity of the average voter. I think our country is doomed because of these weak minded idiot citizens.
In the past two weeks I've gone door-to-door for Ron Paul three times... you won't believe what certain voters look for in a candidate. One lady's main concern were "the windmills" near Flint, MI because she likes the way they look. And then there were others who didn't care about any issue except abortion. Like, seriously? You don't care about the economy or the young American boys getting killed overseas?
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Newt is killing it for things like in this clip.
You guys need to understand, if Ron Paul said something like this, he would go to the top.
You can't expect the average idiot to appreciate theory, etc, people want Obama GONE!
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Schmidt: GOP Establishment Will Have A Meltdown If Newt Wins Florida
RealClearPolitics ^
Posted on January 21, 2012 11:01:49 PM EST by VinL
Schmidt: "Not only are we not moving toward a coalescing of support with the establishment of Newt Gingrich, we're probably moving toward a declaration of war on Newt Gingrich by the Republican establishment. And if Newt Gingrich is able to win the Florida primary, you will see a panic and a meltdown of the Republican establishment that is beyond my ability to articulate in the English language. People will go crazy,"
And you will have this five week period until the Super Tuesday states that will be just as unpredictable, tumultuous as any period in modern American politics. It will be a remarkable thing to watch, should that happen in Florida."
Maddow: "Is there a component of that which is building a firewall around Mitt Romney, protecting him? We saw the establishment try to do that and Romney helping, saying “You can’t talk any smack about Bain. Bain is what I want to run on, it has to be positive, don’t undercut that at all.” Which to me, was like a flashing red neon arrow, “here’s my glass jaw, please don’t hit it.” Is there a way to protect Mitt Romney other than, I think, this wrong approach, Ithey’ve taken with Bain."
Schmidt: "I think everybody in the establishment Republican circles in Washington D.C. is fixated on the numbers we talked about earlier. Newt Gingrich has a 100% name ID, has a 60% national unfavorable number and it’s a number so high that with the 100% name ID it’s impossible to come back from. You’re not electable in a general election, in a 2012 presidential election if your unfavorable numbers are that high. Particularly against a president, that while vulnerable...
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Mitt at least has real private sector experience that's impressive. Cutting down companies, downsizing their operations, making them more efficient is a selling point to me. He also has a record of balancing budgets.
True. These are his strong points and partly what makes him far more qualified than Obama.
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Schmidt: GOP Establishment Will Have A Meltdown If Newt Wins Florida
RealClearPolitics ^
Posted on January 21, 2012 11:01:49 PM EST by VinL
Schmidt: "Not only are we not moving toward a coalescing of support with the establishment of Newt Gingrich, we're probably moving toward a declaration of war on Newt Gingrich by the Republican establishment. And if Newt Gingrich is able to win the Florida primary, you will see a panic and a meltdown of the Republican establishment that is beyond my ability to articulate in the English language. People will go crazy,"
And you will have this five week period until the Super Tuesday states that will be just as unpredictable, tumultuous as any period in modern American politics. It will be a remarkable thing to watch, should that happen in Florida."
Maddow: "Is there a component of that which is building a firewall around Mitt Romney, protecting him? We saw the establishment try to do that and Romney helping, saying “You can’t talk any smack about Bain. Bain is what I want to run on, it has to be positive, don’t undercut that at all.” Which to me, was like a flashing red neon arrow, “here’s my glass jaw, please don’t hit it.” Is there a way to protect Mitt Romney other than, I think, this wrong approach, Ithey’ve taken with Bain."
Schmidt: "I think everybody in the establishment Republican circles in Washington D.C. is fixated on the numbers we talked about earlier. Newt Gingrich has a 100% name ID, has a 60% national unfavorable number and it’s a number so high that with the 100% name ID it’s impossible to come back from. You’re not electable in a general election, in a 2012 presidential election if your unfavorable numbers are that high. Particularly against a president, that while vulnerable...
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Highly unlikely Newt wins Florida, but stranger things have happened.
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Insider Advantage Poll - Florida (Newt 34, Mitt 25)
realclearpolitics.com ^ | 1/22/12 | staff
Posted on January 22, 2012 11:24:17 PM EST by TexasFreeper2009
Gingrich 34.4 Romney 25.6
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newt peaking way too early for florida.
and 125k FL ballots have already been cast via absentee, when romney was leading big time.
he could win it tho. economy getting much better here TBH.
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newt peaking way too early for florida.
and 125k FL ballots have already been cast via absentee, when romney was leading big time.
he could win it tho. economy getting much better here TBH.
LOl!!! You are setting yourself up for obamamania and we all know it! LOL.
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LOl!!! You are setting yourself up for obamamania and we all know it! LOL.
you keep saying that. when i am i gonna start trashing ron paul again? ummmm
and seirously, comparing the top 2 contenders in the state i live in - suck me hard if you want to call that kneepadding. We're a HUGE early voting state. businesses are opening left and right in SW florida. people are finding jobs suddenly. i'm not crediting obama for it - i'm saying it'll lesseen romney's appeal as the economic guy.
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The Man Who Gave Us Newt
By Mark Steyn
January 22, 2012 6:40 P.M.
The nature of this peculiar primary season – the reason it seems at odds with both the 2009-2010 political narrative and the seriousness of the times – was determined by Mitt Romney. Even if you don’t mind RomneyCare, or the abortion flip-flop, or any of the rest, there’s a more basic problem: He’s not a natural campaigner, and on the stump he instinctively recoils from any personal connection with the voters. So, in compensation, he’s bought himself a bunch of A-list advisors and a lavish campaign. He is, as he likes to say, the only candidate with experience in the private sector. So he knows better than to throw his money away, right? But that’s just what he’s doing, in big ways and small.
Small: It’s a good idea to get that telegenic gal (daughter-in-law?) to stand behind him during the concession speech, but one of those expensive consultants ought to tell her not to look so bored and glassy-eyed as the stiff guy grinds through the same-old-same-old for the umpteenth time. To those watching on TV last night, she looked like we felt.
Big: Why is the stump speech so awful? “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” Mitt paid some guy to write this insipid pap. And he paid others to approve it. Not only is it bland and generic, it’s lethal to him in a way that it wouldn’t be to Gingrich or Perry or Bachmann or Paul because it plays to his caricature – as a synthetic, stage-managed hollow man of no fixed beliefs. And, when Ron Paul’s going on about “fiat money” and Newt’s brimming with specifics on everything (he was great on the pipeline last night), Mitt’s generalities are awfully condescending: The finely calibrated inoffensiveness is kind of offensive.
And what’s with the wind up? The “shining city on the hill”? That’s another guy’s line – a guy with whom you have had hitherto little connection other than your public repudiation of him back in the Nineties. Can’t any of his highly paid honchos write him a campaign slogan that’s his own and doesn’t sound in his mouth so cheesily anodyne, as if some guy ran a focus-group and this phrase came up with the lowest negatives?
And where, among all the dough he’s handing out, is the rapid-response team? Newt’s “spontaneous” indignation at John King was carefully crafted by Gingrich himself. By contrast, Mitt has a ton of consultants, and not one of them thought he needed a credible answer on Bain or taxes? For a guy running as a chief exec applying proven private-sector solutions, his campaign looks awfully like an unreformable government bureaucracy: big, bloated, overstaffed, burning money, slow to react, and all but impossible to change.
Mitt’s strategy for 2012 as for 2008 was to sit on his lead and run out the clock: Four years ago, that strategy died in New Hampshire; this time round it died one state later. Congratulations! Years ago, I was chit-chatting with Arthur Laurents, the writer of West Side Story and The Way We Were and much else, about some show that was in trouble on the road that he’d been called in to “fix”. “The trouble with a bad show,” he sighed, “is that you can make it better but you can never make it good.” The Romney candidacy is better than it was four years ago, but it’s not clear that it’s good. Mitt needs to get good real fast: A real speech, real plan, real responses, and real fire in the belly. Does he have it in him?
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Newt is going to win this thing and it's a shame.
At least Mitt has experience in the world. Newt and Obama have never had to have a real job in their entire lives... They've lived off of the tax payer's money their entire lives.
Sad how the Republican voters are so easily shammed.
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Newt is going to win this thing and it's a shame.
At least Mitt has experience in the world. Newt and Obama have never had to have a real job in their entire lives... They've lived off of the tax payer's money their entire lives.
Sad how the Republican voters are so easily shammed.
not that I agree w this, but myth is an awful campaigner and so is RP.
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Twitter: Report: Romney and Gingrich now tied in Florida
PPP Twiter ^ | 1/22/2012 | PPP
Posted on January 22, 2012 10:20:39 PM EST by TBBT
2 more people picked Mitt than Newt out of about 600 people we polled tonight...that's how close we're talking
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not that I agree w this, but myth is an awful campaigner and so is RP.
Yeah, but at least he wasn't a welfare recipient like Newt or Obama has been their ENTIRE lives.
If you are a government employee for your entire life... or a consultant to the government your entire life. You are simply receiving a different type of welfare.
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I agree, but politics is what it is today. The game is what it is, and those playing the game, need to play by the rules or perish
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early votes. media won't talk about them. but they're very real.
it'll be close in polls, a nailbiter, then "oh yeah, mitten won thru the absentees!' and "look, another florida mess" and "hanging chads, anyone?"
You can almost write their lame ass dialogue now. Morning joe and steve douchy of fox alike.
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Florida suddenly looks very different: If you thought Mitt's big lead in SC evaporated fast…
Salon's War Room ^ | January 23, 2012 | Steve Kornacki
Presumably, polling data that is more comprehensive and authoritative will be released in the next few days, but the initial indicators point to a Florida primary race that has been utterly transformed by Newt Gingrich’s resurgence.
Just a week ago, when he was coming off victories in Iowa* and New Hampshire and seemed on his way to a convincing South Carolina win, three different polls in the Sunshine State gave Mitt Rommey an average lead of 22 points, with Newt Gingrich running a very distant second in one of them and third (behind Rick Santorum) in the other. But now a new one-day survey from Insider Advantage conducted on Sunday finds Gingrich ahead by eight points, 34 to 26 percent, while the polling firm PPP announced late Sunday that the first night of its three-day poll in the state found a virtual tie, with just two more respondents out of 600 choosing Romney than Gingrich.
Mind you, there are some asterisks here. Insider Advantage is run by one of Gingrich’s former political lieutenants, Matt Towery, and its polling track record hasn’t always been reliable. And the results from just one night of polling can be deceptive (although it should be noted that PPP’s final night of polling in South Carolina ended up being virtually identical to the actual results the next day).
But it wouldn’t be surprising at all if the race in Florida now is a dead heat, or if Gingrich has even moved ahead, because Florida has been the epicenter of volatility in what has been an almost absurdly volatile GOP race. Just over a month ago, Gingrich found himself sitting on a gigantic lead in the state — 48 to 25 percent in a CNN poll and 47-17 in PPP’s. Those advantages evaporated as a Romney-aligned Super PAC moved into the state with an ad barrage and as panicked national Republican voices spent December chipping away at Gingrich’s standing with the party base. When the glowing press that accompanied his apparent successes in Iowa and New Hampshire was added to the mix, Romney suddenly looked invincible in Florida.
But the Republican universe in Florida is about as conservative and Tea Party-friendly as South Carolina’s. So if Gingrich could rally the GOP base back to his cause in the Palmetto State, there’s every reason to expect him to do the same in the Sunshine State, at least initially.
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it's possible newt wins here in FL. But he has to win BIG. the early ballots here are HUGE.
if he kicks butt at tonights tampa debate, newt should be up 12 points. but some of that lead is false, with the early ballots.
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it's possible newt wins here in FL. But he has to win BIG. the early ballots here are HUGE.
if he kicks butt at tonights tampa debate, newt should be up 12 points. but some of that lead is false, with the early ballots.
Romney has a glass jaw. He is awful and inspired no confidence whatsoever to GOP VOTERS. I know obama voters like yourself and Hugo cant grasp that, but it is what it is.
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Romney has a glass jaw. He is awful and inspired no confidence whatsoever to GOP VOTERS. I know obama voters like yourself and Hugo cant grasp that, but it is what it is.
this is the problem, champ. i'm making a rational, educated guess as to who will win florida. you see that as me kneepadding ROMNEY, of all ppl? LMAO
I think newt will lead in polls. I think he'll be up 12 but will win by 5. because of early votes, because of all the ads mitt is running and newt doesn't have a dump truck of $ to fire back.
see, you can't separate emotions from an actual prediction. If you don't predict 'your guy' will win, then youre kneepadding the other guy? doesn't work like that.
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this is the problem, champ. i'm making a rational, educated guess as to who will win florida. you see that as me kneepadding ROMNEY, of all ppl? LMAO
I think newt will lead in polls. I think he'll be up 12 but will win by 5. because of early votes, because of all the ads mitt is running and newt doesn't have a dump truck of $ to fire back.
see, you can't separate emotions from an actual prediction. If you don't predict 'your guy' will win, then youre kneepadding the other guy? doesn't work like that.
Its really sad - because Newt is a train wreck, but he is doing what Romney and RP SHOULD BE DOING BUT WONT.
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Its really sad - because Newt is a train wreck, but he is doing what Romney and RP SHOULD BE DOING BUT WONT.
so stop calling me a romney kneepadder lmao...
i love ron paul. i'd rather see newt, as much as a mess as he is, against obama.
I'm completely convinced i was wrong that romney is the best one to battle obama... he's so weak against the other repubs... obama is going to beat up on him. romney is shaky and phony and the more people see, the more he stays at 25% in polls lol.
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you keep saying that. when i am i gonna start trashing ron paul again? ummmm
and seirously, comparing the top 2 contenders in the state i live in - suck me hard if you want to call that kneepadding. We're a HUGE early voting state. businesses are opening left and right in SW florida. people are finding jobs suddenly. i'm not crediting obama for it - i'm saying it'll lesseen romney's appeal as the economic guy.
hahaha because he is an idiot... duh.
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so stop calling me a romney kneepadder lmao...
i love ron paul. i'd rather see newt, as much as a mess as he is, against obama.
I'm completely convinced i was wrong that romney is the best one to battle obama... he's so weak against the other repubs... obama is going to beat up on him. romney is shaky and phony and the more people see, the more he stays at 25% in polls lol.
The problem w Romney is that he is a pussy. The way he handled his taxes question left me convinced he will get beaten like a drum by obama and have no couter attack whatsoever.
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The problem w Romney is that he is a pussy. The way he handled his taxes question left me convinced he will get beaten like a drum by obama and have no couter attack whatsoever.
33, i know you hate obama, so it may be hard to admit...
but he's an egomaniac. a very confident one. he has spent 4 years dropping bombs and shooting pirates via armchair. he's SO smug and pompous that he's singing al green in harlem as the millions pour in.
that kinda confidence can help him, if he smells fear on his opponent. He'll be dropping 'your mama' jokes on mittens while mitt muddles thru the lyrics of 'who let the dogs out'.
however, that kinda confidence quickly turns to looking stupid when Newt gives him a "why dont you go work as a lounge singer and let the grownups handle running the country, you clown..."
Now, could that backfire on newt? sure. but IMO, and i can't believe i'm saying this, Newt has a much better chance at beaitng obama than mitt. there, i said it lol. romney has turned into a trembling wussy. you can tell he's never had to FIGHT for anything. newt looks like his d**k gets hard every time someone makes him fight. Romney, his balls shrink.
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33, i know you hate obama, so it may be hard to admit...
but he's an egomaniac. a very confident one. he has spent 4 years dropping bombs and shooting pirates via armchair. he's SO smug and pompous that he's singing al green in harlem as the millions pour in.
that kinda confidence can help him, if he smells fear on his opponent. He'll be dropping 'your mama' jokes on mittens while mitt muddles thru the lyrics of 'who let the dogs out'.
however, that kinda confidence quickly turns to looking stupid when Newt gives him a "why dont you go work as a lounge singer and let the grownups handle running the country, you clown..."
Now, could that backfire on newt? sure. but IMO, and i can't believe i'm saying this, Newt has a much better chance at beaitng obama than mitt. there, i said it lol. romney has turned into a trembling wussy. you can tell he's never had to FIGHT for anything. newt looks like his d**k gets hard every time someone makes him fight. Romney, his balls shrink.
Its sad - Romney starts stuttering, fumbling, and simply is not a fighter.
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Its sad - Romney starts stuttering, fumbling, and simply is not a fighter.
people really are a product of their experiences.
romney has been pampered. he doesn't know what's hip, he doesn't know how to talk to people. he's been surrounded by yes-men for way too long.
reminds me of bush1 AFTER he left office. He hadn't shopped for foor in 12 years, and had no idea how a grocery scanner worked lol.
but Bush1 served the country and was a certifiable badass for decades before becoming soft and sheltered as president.
Romney - hell, he released a pic of him DOING LAUNDRY to try to relate to voters the other day - did you see that? Insane.
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people really are a product of their experiences.
romney has been pampered. he doesn't know what's hip, he doesn't know how to talk to people. he's been surrounded by yes-men for way too long.
reminds me of bush1 AFTER he left office. He hadn't shopped for foor in 12 years, and had no idea how a grocery scanner worked lol.
but Bush1 served the country and was a certifiable badass for decades before becoming soft and sheltered as president.
Romney - hell, he released a pic of him DOING LAUNDRY to try to relate to voters the other day - did you see that? Insane.
Yeah, he is GHWB wo the military or CIA experience
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Yeah, he is GHWB wo the military or CIA experience
IMO, if romney looks like a scared wuss against santorum and newt, he'll look like a fool against obama.
and against he world? lol Putin must be licking his chops. he'd literally urinate on romney and mittens woudl thank him for letting him know how he truly feels.
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IMO, if romney looks like a scared wuss against santorum and newt, he'll look like a fool against obama.
and against he world? lol Putin must be licking his chops. he'd literally urinate on romney and mittens woudl thank him for letting him know how he truly feels.
That is why Obama wants romney first and foremost, his glass jaw.
At least Newt will call obama a Saul Alinsky socialist radical failure to his face and Obama will have to for once defend himself.
Ghettobama has NEVEr faced a tough opponent from the GOP. McLame was a pathetic joke and refused to attack obama's communist past. .
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1/2 the party think newt is an out of control psycho and will self destruct. might be true, we know this.
2/3 the part think romney is a phony, rino wuss who is just trying to buy presidency. yeah, probably right.
Ron paul will be 3rd with plenty of votes, and by then, the newsletter/iran stigma might have worn off to the point where levin/rush (and therefore you cnutflaps that believe everything they say) will tip to ron paul as the unscathed alternative to both of those guys
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1/2 the party think newt is an out of control psycho and will self destruct. might be true, we know this.
2/3 the part think romney is a phony, rino wuss who is just trying to buy presidency. yeah, probably right.
Ron paul will be 3rd with plenty of votes, and by then, the newsletter/iran stigma might have worn off to the point where levin/rush (and therefore you cnutflaps that believe everything they say) will tip to ron paul as the unscathed alternative to both of those guys
If RP had half the fight in him that newt does he would run away with this.
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If RP had half the fight in him that newt does he would run away with this.
i believe he CANT. Because the media is BEGGING for a reason to dismiss him. a dean "we're going to new hampshire!" scream they can play 24/7.
ron paul is wiser than you and i, 333386. he knows the game. he gives them any raised voice, and that is all we see for 6 months... "Ron paul melts down?"
it's like obama in 2008... i mean, mccain had affair and it was no problem. If obama had one, he doesn't get nomination. Obama had to be PERFECT. Same with ron paul. You can't give the media any reason to cite him as unstable - cause they will dude. they will.
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Panicked Romney Flailing Wildly as Newt Pulls-Out NINE POINT LEAD in Florida
Reaganite Republican ^ | January 23, 2012 | Reaganite Republican
Rasmussen just put out fresh numbers- Gingrich is up 41-32% over Mittens in delegate-rich jackpot Florida. Rich Santorum garners just 11, Ron Paul 8.
Insider Advantage also has a new poll out today placing Newt up BIG already (+8.8%) in Florida, this coming on the heels of an interesting Gallup finding: 'unelectable' Gingrich has closed to a statistical dead-heat in a November Obama matchup (!). This would be the same Gallup polling organization who's editor-in-chief (Frank Newport) saw Romney's support nationally 'collapsing' even before his demoralizing SC spanking.
Others who make a living handicapping (and wagering upon) these things -like InTrade- have stock in a Gingrich victory in Florida soaring, now standing at 55%.
As you've probably heard by know, Romney has chosen to go
full scorched-earth on Gingrich in Florida, and already has surrogates Chris 'Krispy Kreme' Christie and Tim 'Dull as Dishwater' Pawlenty doing some of his dirty work. But Mittens himself seems dour and embittered in the wake of South Carolina... like it's somebody else's fault he got his butt handed to him. He also seems lost when unable to simply purchase or order what he wants... Mittens has spent $7M on (mostly negative) media in Florida, and this is the result he's getting- ouch.
As for the much-ballyhooed Romney campaign organisation, they stunk it up in SC, and now the Florida staff is said to be freaking-out as he continues to slide in most any poll you care to look at. After being taken for granted and manipulated by the GOP old-guard for the last couple years, the TEA Party movement is finding it's inner Chuck Norris and standing-up for the right to choose a nominee who represents our conservative values... not those of a spoiled, ossified DC elite.
The hollow, manufactured inevitability argument for Romney now seems dead-in-the-water, as caustic negative attacks upon the former House Speaker have for the most part backfired... serious momentum on the side of Team Gingrich has this backer expecting a continued surge in poll numbers in the coming days, most likely beginning with tonight's Tampa debate.
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lolzer!
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newt is the dems gift,no way the repubs are this dumb
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"As an American, I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name. America gave him the White House, based on the same credentials." -Newt Gingrich
THIS IS WHY NEWT IS PULLING AHEAD.
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the repubs are between a rock and a hard place,they have mr. haunted house with a million skeletons or they have everyones not so favorite morman,the Evangelicals want no part of
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the repubs are between a rock and a hard place,they have mr. haunted house with a million skeletons or they have everyones not so favorite morman,the Evangelicals want no part of
America is between a rock and a hard place with the idiot in chief as potus we have now.
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Doh! lol
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Why Newt Could Win
National Review Online ^ | January 23, 2012 | Michael Walsh
Yes, I know: it’s amazing to even think about it, when you look back just a few months to the wreck of the SS Squarepants (as some idiot dubbed it). But when even Jonathan Alter is explaining to his MSNBC hostess why it’s time to start taking Mr. Newt seriously, you know the ground has shifted and, unlike the Costa Concordia, the ship is starting to right itself.
So let me second Mark’s notion that the man who has resurrected Newt is the same guy who put him in the ground in Iowa, Mitt Romney. In fact, all the anti-Romneys, past and present — Newt twice, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann — arose to fill the felt need of the conservative electorate that the once-rejected former Massachusetts governor was highly unlikely to have improved with age, and that just because it was “his turn” was no reason to hand him the nomination à la Bob Dole and John McCain.
The problem with Romney, it seems to me, is that not only is he the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time, politically ill-wind speaking, he has no natural constituency — and that’s what’s keeping him mired in the mid-twenties while the not-Romneys (including the outlier, Ron Paul) scoop up the rest.
Just before the New Hampshire primary, some idiot tweeted, “If Romney is held below 40 percent, he’s toast; if below 30 percent, he’s meat.” As it turned out, he got 39.4 percent — lightly buttered toast. Because if quasi-favorite-son Mitt couldn’t convincingly sweep away the riff-raff in his own back yard, it bode poorly for South Carolina. (By contrast, Gingrich got 40.45 percent of the vote in S.C., and he was still splitting the anti-Mitt vote with Paul and Santorum.)
So if Romney’s homies didn’t turn out for him in the Granite State, where are they going to turn out? All the organization and money in the world can’t force folks to vote for you if they don’t want to, and now that Newt’s inoculated himself against further Super PAC attack ads and renegade ex-wives, it’s unlikely that Romney can carpet-bomb him as effectively as he did in Iowa. Newt’s now like one of those nuked Japanese film creatures that not only was not destroyed but is back, bigger, badder and more cheesed off than ever.
To whom does Romney really appeal? Who are his broken-glass voters? Yes, he seems like a pleasant enough fellow and no one doubts his business or organizational acumen. But he’s hurt himself badly in the debates — and not just, as the new conventional wisdom has it, in S.C., but right from the start. The stammering, the stuttering, the evasiveness, the boilerplate bromides, the rude and annoying way he turns to stare at his fellow debaters when they’re speaking — he’s an empathy-repelling Stepford Candidate; wind him up and he gives pretty much the same performance every time. Whereas Gingrich alone finally figured out that if it’s red meat that’s wanted, you might as well rip chunks of it from the flesh of the unctuous moderators and throw it right at the ravenous studio audience.
None of the usual political allegiances work for Romney. Unlike Santorum, he has no appeal to the working-class white ethnics, many of them Catholic, who used to be Democrats but since have found a home in the GOP. The absurd defense offered by his apologists that venture capitalism is the essence of the American Dream is not likely to sway voters for whom paychecks are earned with sweat, not favorable treatment in the tax code after you’ve made your pile.
Unlike Perry, Romney has no natural appeal in the South — where, no matter what the Constitution says about “no religious test” for office, his Mormonism is still the subject of much sotto voce muttering. His Michigan upbringing notwithstanding, he lacks Bachmann’s midwestern appeal (as well as her accent). Unlike Paul, he’s not a single-issue crazy, who can fire up his troops by waving the Federal Reserve’s bloody shirt. And while the Pennsylvania-born Gingrich is as regionally unanchored as Romney — Newt’s a northerner comfortable among southerners — somehow the former speaker has pulled it off, probably because he doesn’t try to fake it.
Lacking a geographic or ethnic base, he was always going to have a tough time. He’s a national candidate who hasn’t made it to the general election yet. And then, of course, he had the bad luck to be associated with Bain Capital, a tailor-made propaganda issue for the Democrats that Gingrich defensively pre-empted in response to Romney’s scorched-earth Iowa campaign against him.
So is Romney toast or meat? Neither, yet. He’s probably 50–50 to set Gingrich back in Florida, momentum or no momentum — a silly Washington press corps construct that assumes politics is like football, when in fact it’s more like baseball, a sport in which there is no momentum. The pitcher — or in this case, the state-by-state electorate — changes constantly. Every day is square one.
But Gingrich doesn’t have to win in Florida. All he has to do is hang on until the Super Tuesday donnybrook on March 6, where despite his Virginia blunder, the terrain favors him. Gingrich is a Civil War buff and he may finally have realized that while he doesn’t yet command the men and materiel that Grant had, being General Meade, the man who defeated Lee at Gettysburg and thus changed the course of the war, will be good enough for now.
So if Gingrich wins the nomination, can he beat Obama? The smart money says no, but you’d expect a poll-obsessed, racing-form consulting collection of media eunuchs to say that. (Heads have been rotating on MSNBC the past 48 hours as the metrosexual chatterers try to unearth the secret of Gingrich’s belligerent appeal, unable to wrap their minds around the fact that it’s the very belligerence that’s the appeal.)
The dumb money, however, says . . . maybe. In a fight between a puncher and boxer, between Grant and Lee, the boxer may sing and dance for round after round, but if the puncher ever catches up to him, it’s lights out. Gingrich’s genius in going after the media is that he knows they are Obama’s Praetorian Guard and shock troops rolled into one. If he can take them out — by making them look as ridiculous as they really are and thus stripping them of their pompous, bogus “morality” — he can sweep up the midwest, roll up the South, and very likely force the surrender in the same place Grant cornered Lee: the swing state of Virginia.
Or he could just blow up again and go down for the third time.
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National Review is a shit rag and Id only use it to wipe my ass.
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Gingrich 2012: Polls Suggest Nevada Could be Jackpot for Newt
ibtimes.com ^ | 1/23/2012 | IBTIMES STAFF REPORTER
Posted on January 23, 2012 7:56:49 PM EST by TBBT
Newt Gingrich's 2012 campaign is showing signs that the former House speaker may pull off a win in the Feb. 4 Nevada GOP caucus, as preliminary polls and news reports show him surging in the Silver State.
Gingrich's candidacy was declared dead repeatedly over the last several months, but with his trouncing of assumed frontrunner Mitt Romney Saturday in the South Carolina GOP primary, news outlets and early polling suggest he may be able to sieze another key win in Nevada, the "first in the West" of this year's caucuses.
Las Vegas-based political TV reporter Jon Ralston tweeted the following from his Twitter account on Monday evening, "I'm told Winning Our Future, the Newt SuperPAC, is inquiring about media in Nevada. hearing there is polling data showing him surging here." His remarks suggest that the Gingrich 2012 campaign has information coming out of the state that suggests it should focus efforts there in an attempt to win its crucial caucus.
(Excerpt) Read more at ibtimes.com ...
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National Review is a shit rag and Id only use it to wipe my ass.
I thought I was the only one lol.
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I thought I was the only one lol.
Fuck em all man. Fuck them to fucking hell. Ive never thought in my wildest dreams trying to promote liberty and fiscal sanity, etc.. would be treated with such utter contempt and everyone is so mind numbingly stupid to see that the rug is being pulled from right underneath their feet.
Gingrish is now the Tea PArty hero? Paul has the worst personality? Strap in. We are going to hell people.
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Fuck em all man. Fuck them to fucking hell. Ive never thought in my wildest dreams trying to promote liberty and fiscal sanity, etc.. would be treated with such utter contempt and everyone is so mind numbingly stupid to see that the rug is being pulled from right underneath their feet.
Gingrish is now the Tea PArty hero? Paul has the worst personality? Strap in. We are going to hell people.
Totally agree. And i don't want to be one to say i told you so because i fucking hate people who say that shit, but I did try to tell people this was what was happening to the tea party in the months after obama was elected. I remember making posts furious about how I thought it was being hijacked from what Paul started. Now we see the complete vision of it.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
Newt nearly tied w Obama.
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Fuck em all man. Fuck them to fucking hell. Ive never thought in my wildest dreams trying to promote liberty and fiscal sanity, etc.. would be treated with such utter contempt and everyone is so mind numbingly stupid to see that the rug is being pulled from right underneath their feet.
Gingrish is now the Tea PArty hero? Paul has the worst personality? Strap in. We are going to hell people.
This.
Im so fucking sick of people - I decided today that these idiots deserve the shit hole theyre creating, everywhere I went was the same thing -
Arrogant, ignorant pricks. Half of them act like theyre superior to everyone or have a chip on their shoulder and the other act like people are children that the government has to tell what to do cause everyone besides themsevles is to dumb to make their own decisions.
Fuck these people and fuck what this countries citizens have become - Im starting to agree with Uberman, weve become a society of total self absorbed morons with no common sense.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
Newt nearly tied w Obama.
like that's something to be proud of. insane. it's a tie, and we're in the great fcking depression part 2.
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like that's something to be proud of. insane. it's a tie, and we're in the great fcking depression part 2.
Carter was leading Reagan at this point.
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Carter was leading Reagan at this point.
thank goodness papi got that october surprise with iran hostages lol