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700 mg tren ace (dropped from 1400 mg 3 days ago , blood pressure issues)
700 mg primo
350 mg sustanon
350 mg Npp
10 iu gh daily
40mg t3 mornings
40mg clen mornings
50 mg anadrol inject pre training
Stats: 5'11.5'', 222, currently legitimately under 6 percent bf
Goals: lean bulk. Truly going for a serge nubret physique
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top stack over there!!! I would personally up the NPP a little bit (150mg EOD). I wish you good luck, my friend!!!
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top stack over there!!! I would personally up the NPP a little bit (150mg EOD). I wish you good luck, my friend!!!
I am in fear of nandrolone, even Npp. The compound does bad things to my physique, but it helps my joints. 500 mg weekly of pharmacy grade deca turned me into a puff fish and made me question all the years I had put into this sport. That's how bad deca makes me look, and I blew up on Npp also, just not as badly.
However 100 mg daily Npp does bad things to my physique too, that is why I am doing only 50 m daily.
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DROP SUST & NPP. ADD 600 EQ AND 2 MORE IU GH.
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DROP SUST & NPP. ADD 600 EQ AND 2 MORE IU GH.
I like this idea. The sust is not staying the entire. Eq is not a bad idea . In the past I have run eq at 1200 mg on its own w prop, I like what happens with that mix. I usually dont add eq into a mix like this because it is the one steroid That makes me a bit on edge. Tren does not even give me anxiety like eq. Eq At 1200 mg is like a unique, high pitched anxiety; constantly on the edge of your seat.
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700 mg tren ace (dropped from 1400 mg 3 days ago , blood pressure issues)
700 mg primo
350 mg sustanon
350 mg Npp
10 iu gh daily
40mg t3 mornings
40mg clen mornings
50 mg anadrol inject pre training
Stats: 5'11.5'', 222, currently legitimately under 6 percent bf
Goals: lean bulk. Truly going for a serge nubret physique
seems like money really isnt an issue for you.
sucks you cant run 1400mg tren anymore... thatd be the first thing id suggest (high dose tren).. how did that work for you by the way ?
id say ... upp the GH to 20-30iu per day.. add in a few cc's of high dosed eq per week 9 i thnk "the man" has some 500mg/ml left) .. switch to test suspension instead of sustanon.. throw in 200mg dnp per day.. and add in 100mg anavar...
you want a segre nubret physique.. well serge didnt use GH.. at least he doesnt have the GH look to him..
halo+cheque drops pre workout if you really wanna get hardened up and dense..
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seems like money really isnt an issue for you.
sucks you cant run 1400mg tren anymore... thatd be the first thing id suggest (high dose tren).. how did that work for you by the way ?
id say ... upp the GH to 20-30iu per day.. add in a few cc's of high dosed eq per week 9 i thnk "the man" has some 500mg/ml left) .. switch to test suspension instead of sustanon.. throw in 200mg dnp per day.. and add in 100mg anavar...
you want a segre nubret physique.. well serge didnt use GH.. at least he doesnt have the GH look to him..
halo+cheque drops pre workout if you really wanna get hardened up and dense..
If serge had access to today's chemicals, he is the king right now. The guy had a truly absurd physique of you really look at him. I mean he had a separation in his Seratus that is cartoon like.
I don't see where you are going with the Dnp thing. And I understand why one would recommend prop or suspension, however, a certain top chefs sustanon is out of this world, and I have always been a huge fan of sust because of how low my bf is naturally. It fills me out a tiny bit but doesn't affect my waist
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If serge had access to today's chemicals, he is the king right now. The guy had a truly absurd physique of you really look at him. I mean he had a separation in his Seratus that is cartoon like.
I don't see where you are going with the Dnp thing. And I understand why one would recommend prop or suspension, however, a certain top chefs sustanon is out of this world, and I have always been a huge fan of sust because of how low my bf is naturally. It fills me out a tiny bit but doesn't affect my waist
HIGH ANABOLIC + HIGH GH BRO. DO AT LEAST 5IU GH PER GRAM OF AAS. JUST A BROSCIENCE RULE OF THUMB, BUT THIS IS MY APPROACH. YOU SAW MY CYCLES FOR THE FUTURE, AND SAW HOW I PROPORTIONED STUFF. WITH A LOT OF AAS IN YOUR SYSTEM, YOU NEED THE GH THERE. I'M 21 SO I CAN GET AWAY IT WITH FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO, AND I DONT COMPETE, YOU...YOU'RE OLDER AND DO COMPETE.
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HIGH ANABOLIC + HIGH GH BRO. DO AT LEAST 5IU GH PER GRAM OF AAS. JUST A BROSCIENCE RULE OF THUMB, BUT THIS IS MY APPROACH. YOU SAW MY CYCLES FOR THE FUTURE, AND SAW HOW I PROPORTIONED STUFF. WITH A LOT OF AAS IN YOUR SYSTEM, YOU NEED THE GH THERE. I'M 21 SO I CAN GET AWAY IT WITH FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO, AND I DONT COMPETE, YOU...YOU'RE OLDER AND DO COMPETE.
You will compete whether you like it or not sleep. Why? Because your 2 year plan is hacking flawless. I have no edits to make on it. You have such an incredibly advanced grasp of hormones for a 21 year old. I really think you will be the type who one day just looks in the mirror and realizes that he can win any npc show he enters at not one but three different weight classes (because of your height).
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AND THE GOOD NEWS IS I'LL HAVE ALL OF IT IN WITHIN 2WKS SANS THE GH.
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seems like money really isnt an issue for you.
sucks you cant run 1400mg tren anymore... thatd be the first thing id suggest (high dose tren).. how did that work for you by the way ?
id say ... upp the GH to 20-30iu per day.. add in a few cc's of high dosed eq per week 9 i thnk "the man" has some 500mg/ml left) .. switch to test suspension instead of sustanon.. throw in 200mg dnp per day.. and add in 100mg anavar...
you want a segre nubret physique.. well serge didnt use GH.. at least he doesnt have the GH look to him..
halo+cheque drops pre workout if you really wanna get hardened up and dense..
Jesus you trying to kill him or tweak his cycle ;D
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how is your blood pressure now? i'm shock anadrol has less of an effect on your blood pressure than the tren.
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seems like money really isnt an issue for you.
sucks you cant run 1400mg tren anymore... thatd be the first thing id suggest (high dose tren).. how did that work for you by the way ?
id say ... upp the GH to 20-30iu per day.. add in a few cc's of high dosed eq per week 9 i thnk "the man" has some 500mg/ml left) .. switch to test suspension instead of sustanon.. throw in 200mg dnp per day.. and add in 100mg anavar...
you want a segre nubret physique.. well serge didnt use GH.. at least he doesnt have the GH look to him..
halo+cheque drops pre workout if you really wanna get hardened up and dense..
why are you such an advocate of tren for everything? Do you really gain that much size from it? Very few people I know gain much weight off tren, even dave palumbo says tren is not a bulking compound. Groink told me he doesn't get much size from it too. Some guys won't even touch tren on a bulking cycle cause it's so thermogenic, it raises metabolic rate so much making weight gain almost impossible. these drugs specifically: Testosterone,deca,equipoise, dianabol....all help shuttling nutrients into intramuscular and fat storage. You would be better off running primo instead of tren in a bulking cycle. This is exactly what BFG, gh15, as well as numerous people I have talked to said to the T. As far as I'm concerend you haven't truly ran a bulking cycle in years, you've been half ass dieting and gained some muscle in the process. Also deca is much safer in the long term, why not save tren for when you diet down when you really need it?
Also smoofcat drop the NPP and switch to deca, big shots less frequently. Get the biggest syringe you can find and fill it to the top, deca works better injecting the highest concentration possible. I tried it and it works amazing. I was taking 5cc every 7 days using a 20g cause it was the only 5cc syringe I could find.. 1500mg per shot..it worked amazing. Had to go back to 900mg I gained weight too fast
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The best steroids for bulking convert to estrogen....it is a very imporatnt hormone for growth. ,deca, testosterone,equipoise, dianabol.
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IF I WAS BULKIN, TREN WOULD BE THE BEST DRUG. THE APPETITE IS GREAT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES U GAIN LBM. AN APPETITE.
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HIGH ANABOLIC + HIGH GH BRO. DO AT LEAST 5IU GH PER GRAM OF AAS. JUST A BROSCIENCE RULE OF THUMB, BUT THIS IS MY APPROACH. YOU SAW MY CYCLES FOR THE FUTURE, AND SAW HOW I PROPORTIONED STUFF. WITH A LOT OF AAS IN YOUR SYSTEM, YOU NEED THE GH THERE. I'M 21 SO I CAN GET AWAY IT WITH FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO, AND I DONT COMPETE, YOU...YOU'RE OLDER AND DO COMPETE.
Do you feel 5 iu of gh per gram of androgens is needed for younger guys like 18-25? Im asking bc you say that he needs the gh in there yet arnold and serge achieved insane amts of muscle with no gh. Would appreciate your thoughts.
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why are you such an advocate of tren for everything? Do you really gain that much size from it? Very few people I know gain much weight off tren, even dave palumbo says tren is not a bulking compound. Groink told me he doesn't get much size from it too. Some guys won't even touch tren on a bulking cycle cause it's so thermogenic, it raises metabolic rate so much making weight gain almost impossible. these drugs specifically: Testosterone,deca,equipoise, dianabol....all help shuttling nutrients into intramuscular and fat storage. You would be better off running primo instead of tren in a bulking cycle. This is exactly what BFG, gh15, as well as numerous people I have talked to said to the T. As far as I'm concerend you haven't truly ran a bulking cycle in years, you've been half ass dieting and gained some muscle in the process. Also deca is much safer in the long term, why not save tren for when you diet down when you really need it?
Also smoofcat drop the NPP and switch to deca, big shots less frequently. Get the biggest syringe you can find and fill it to the top, deca works better injecting the highest concentration possible. I tried it and it works amazing. I was taking 5cc every 7 days using a 20g cause it was the only 5cc syringe I could find.. 1500mg per shot..it worked amazing. Had to go back to 900mg I gained weight too fast
Heaviest I got I was actually running tren. I'm normanlly anywhere from 205-210. My weight shot up to 220. I was using a hefty dose of test with it to. I was pretty water logged from the large amount of test. But it was def the biggest I've ever been.
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Do you feel 5 iu of gh per gram of androgens is needed for younger guys like 18-25? Im asking bc you say that he needs the gh in there yet arnold and serge achieved insane amts of muscle with no gh. Would appreciate your thoughts.
IF U CAN AFFORD IT, YES.
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If you've got high BP an ACE inhibitor will do the trick
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What about anavar big dawg? Correct me if I'm wrong but Arnold, Serge, etc those guys, used a shit ton of anavar if I'm not mistaken...
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how is your blood pressure now? i'm shock anadrol has less of an effect on your blood pressure than the tren.
it is doing much, much better actually.
the anadrol is sporadic. when i drop the test down to 100 mg or less, i use the anadrol. right now, as in today, i am not using it. i absolutely will when i feel it is time to drop the test out (the morning i wake up and i see that test thickness).
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What about anavar big dawg? Correct me if I'm wrong but Arnold, Serge, etc those guys, used a shit ton of anavar if I'm not mistaken...
anavar is a very, very, very nice drug. it is extremely subtle, but the results are much more sustainable than anadrol or dianabol. anadrol and dianabol basically just fill you up with water. anadrol has unique properties in that it is extremely useful to advanced bodybuilders who understand the concept of cycling their testosterone (when you drop the testosterone, a month of anadrol really does something unique to your physique, given you are on GH).
i have done this switch four times, twice on GH, twice off. it does not work nearly as well off GH.
anadrol + gh gives you that freaky look, where people actually tell you to lay off whatever you are doing. and that is the ultimate compliment.
however you can not do this for too long, in my experience, or your libido gets shot. 1 month is the amount of time i can go fully without test. then even adding as low as 100 mg does the trick. and at this point i drop the anadrol.
just explaining my concept. i urge you guys to try it, provided you are on GH. it will show you another dimension to your physique, i promise you.
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seems like money really isnt an issue for you.
sucks you cant run 1400mg tren anymore... thatd be the first thing id suggest (high dose tren).. how did that work for you by the way ?
id say ... upp the GH to 20-30iu per day.. add in a few cc's of high dosed eq per week 9 i thnk "the man" has some 500mg/ml left) .. switch to test suspension instead of sustanon.. throw in 200mg dnp per day.. and add in 100mg anavar...
you want a segre nubret physique.. well serge didnt use GH.. at least he doesnt have the GH look to him..
halo+cheque drops pre workout if you really wanna get hardened up and dense..
Tbombz, i didn't read your reply well enough, because i was working and reading off a mobile phone. This advice seems a little odd. Seems like it might kill me provided I just mentioned I had severe blood pressure issues recently, essentially from 1400 mg tren ace and some massive stresses in my life including having a pregnant girlfriend who i am soon marrying and the effect of this, the fact that i recently had to drop out of my phd program because i have to support a family now.
money IS an issue to me, but let's work out how much this entire cycle costs, because it really isn't that expensive. And this is my BIG cycle of the year. As i have mentioned many times on this board, i spend a good quarter to half of the year cruising at 250 mg of sustanon per week. I will do this for 1-2 months after every big cycle. So that means I only have 2 big ones a year, and they are extensive (4-5 months).
actually for the sake of everyone's safety on the board, i will not work out the costs of anything. but i will say that i do not buy cheap gear. i use the most private, top source in the world, because i do not believe in putting anything but the best anabolics in my blood. i used to go the cheap route. i used to inject oils from the polish thief. that story is for another day. but needless to say, you can buy good gear or bad gear, or pharmacy grade gear. and i guarantee you that the top chef i use makes better products than human grade. why? because i used to run exclusively human grade and now i run exclusively top chef. with no exceptions. i am about to make one exception because no sleep made an awesome suggestion to me the other day, but that is only because i trust no sleep on a very deep level. he shows an extremely advanced and mature level of understanding of hormones for his age. he has truly grasped a couple of concepts that i didn't grasp until i was 3 years older than him. and those years are precious.
but that is a tangent. what is so expensive about my cycle that makes you say that money is of no option for me? the primo? that is the only expensive compound. i can piss NPP it is so cheap. and tren ace is tren ace, i mean it isn't cheap but i certainly am not worried about the costs of 100 mg daily. the gh is chinese and @ 10 iu daily, it is no sweat off my back. i just honestly don't get why you would assume this about me, because it is not like i am running serostim @ 10 iu daily along with parabolim amps or something like that.
and let me quickly address the other suggestions you made:
-why npp? this makes no sense to me at all based on my current body fat (5%) and goals, and the fact that i have a heart condition and i recently had a blood pressure issue.
-upping the GH to 20-30 ius daily makes no sense to me based on my goals of mirroring a golden era physique. that is totally counterintuitive. i want to look like serge or arnold, not kuklo or mcgrath. i may even DROP the gh to 5 iu daily. that is how much i believe in good anabolics and training right, along with other concepts that i don't even want to get into right now because it will open a flood gate of criticism. actually, fuck it i will go ahead and do it. i believe in cardio and a somewhat clean diet. if flex wheeler does 3 hours of cardio a day it is a fucking abomination that members of get big can all believe that cardio is totally unimportant because we all like GH. jay cutler is on the elliptical for an hour daily. arnold and franco did 30 minutes minimum a day and shot for an hour. nubret was known to have epic sprint-jog style cardio sessions. and finally diet. obviously eating clean all of the time is a terrible idea, but let me assure you that eating dirty all of the time is a worse one. find a balance. there is no black and white on this issue. it is not "clean diet" or "dirty diet".
you can still do some cardio and eat relatively clean, as in oatmeal, egg whites, meat, brown rice, fish, etc even if you are on GH
i urge everyone to stop thinking in such black and white terms. you can do GH, and do a little cardio, and eat relatively clean, and then have many, many dirty meals a week and a lot of ice cream.
it is just not all dirty. or all clean. it is not all cardio, or no cardio. and T bombs, it is not 20-30 iu of GH or none. i know this is get big, but i have specific goals that if i were to take 20-30 iu of GH, that would go directly against them. and i will be the first one to admit that my goals are slightly mental. i want to prove to myself that i can gain these extra 8 lbs of lean muscle to get to 230 and stay around 5-6% bf. because at 230- and i mean a low dose GH, golden era 230, not a generation nothing 230 full of water and sugar- i believe i will be at my goals.
tbombz, this post wasn't entirely directed at you obviously. you just got me thinking based on your response about the extremes i see on get big. however, i don't understand any of your advice except the part about anavar. that i understand.
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why are you such an advocate of tren for everything? Do you really gain that much size from it? Very few people I know gain much weight off tren, even dave palumbo says tren is not a bulking compound. Groink told me he doesn't get much size from it too. Some guys won't even touch tren on a bulking cycle cause it's so thermogenic, it raises metabolic rate so much making weight gain almost impossible. these drugs specifically: Testosterone,deca,equipoise, dianabol....all help shuttling nutrients into intramuscular and fat storage. You would be better off running primo instead of tren in a bulking cycle. This is exactly what BFG, gh15, as well as numerous people I have talked to said to the T. As far as I'm concerend you haven't truly ran a bulking cycle in years, you've been half ass dieting and gained some muscle in the process. Also deca is much safer in the long term, why not save tren for when you diet down when you really need it?
Also smoofcat drop the NPP and switch to deca, big shots less frequently. Get the biggest syringe you can find and fill it to the top, deca works better injecting the highest concentration possible. I tried it and it works amazing. I was taking 5cc every 7 days using a 20g cause it was the only 5cc syringe I could find.. 1500mg per shot..it worked amazing. Had to go back to 900mg I gained weight too fast
flintstones, thank you for the advice. i agree with you about gaining too much weight on deca... the problem is that deca is my worst nightmare. every cycle that i have done deca (without tren) has ended up ruining my physique temporarily. I mean you wouldn't believe the guy who you saw on week 1 of the deca guy was the same one in week 16. my last deca cycle was 500 mg of deca from a pharmacy in my city (don't ask lol), and human grade test amps imported from one of the truly top sources in europe.
on paper, this should have been a brilliant cycle. however, this just goes to show you how fucking stupid the human grade arguments are if the compounds are not right. proponents of human grade-pharma grade gear (not gh obviously, that is not even an argument) sometimes fail to realize that certain chefs make products better and more potent than these factories. i FULLY believe that one top chef really does cook for pros even as high as the olympia level. this is not only from my thoughts, but from what i have heard.
but it is all worthless if you have the wrong compounds. running deca without tren is a nightmare for me and most others. if it is not for you, then god bless you, you are unique. there is a reason gh15 talks so badly about deca. so yeah, running some parabolin would be nice, but for the cost of one week of that shit i can get a much larger amount of tren that is just as good.
and if it actually is not as good, by some scientific metric, then i don't even care, because the difference is negligible.
last point- i am running NPP for the joint protection and lubrication, not the size. i will never run deca again in my life, guaranteed.
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If serge had access to today's chemicals, he is the king right now. The guy had a truly absurd physique of you really look at him. I mean he had a separation in his Seratus that is cartoon like.
I don't see where you are going with the Dnp thing. And I understand why one would recommend prop or suspension, however, a certain top chefs sustanon is out of this world, and I have always been a huge fan of sust because of how low my bf is naturally. It fills me out a tiny bit but doesn't affect my waist
dnp.. you said this is a lean bulk.. 200mg dnp should increase your metabolism by about 30%.. nothing dramatic... but enough of a boost to keep you lean as fuck... ya the less ester usually means less water retention..
why are you such an advocate of tren for everything? Do you really gain that much size from it? Very few people I know gain much weight off tren, even dave palumbo says tren is not a bulking compound. Groink told me he doesn't get much size from it too. Some guys won't even touch tren on a bulking cycle cause it's so thermogenic, it raises metabolic rate so much making weight gain almost impossible. these drugs specifically: Testosterone,deca,equipoise, dianabol....all help shuttling nutrients into intramuscular and fat storage. You would be better off running primo instead of tren in a bulking cycle. This is exactly what BFG, gh15, as well as numerous people I have talked to said to the T. As far as I'm concerend you haven't truly ran a bulking cycle in years, you've been half ass dieting and gained some muscle in the process. Also deca is much safer in the long term, why not save tren for when you diet down when you really need it?
Also smoofcat drop the NPP and switch to deca, big shots less frequently. Get the biggest syringe you can find and fill it to the top, deca works better injecting the highest concentration possible. I tried it and it works amazing. I was taking 5cc every 7 days using a 20g cause it was the only 5cc syringe I could find.. 1500mg per shot..it worked amazing. Had to go back to 900mg I gained weight too fast
dont listen to anything dave palumbo says. tren is basically the best steroid, hands down, for any purpouse.
Tbombz, i didn't read your reply well enough, because i was working and reading off a mobile phone. This advice seems a little odd. Seems like it might kill me provided I just mentioned I had severe blood pressure issues recently, essentially from 1400 mg tren ace and some massive stresses in my life including having a pregnant girlfriend who i am soon marrying and the effect of this, the fact that i recently had to drop out of my phd program because i have to support a family now.
money IS an issue to me, but let's work out how much this entire cycle costs, because it really isn't that expensive. And this is my BIG cycle of the year. As i have mentioned many times on this board, i spend a good quarter to half of the year cruising at 250 mg of sustanon per week. I will do this for 1-2 months after every big cycle. So that means I only have 2 big ones a year, and they are extensive (4-5 months).
actually for the sake of everyone's safety on the board, i will not work out the costs of anything. but i will say that i do not buy cheap gear. i use the most private, top source in the world, because i do not believe in putting anything but the best anabolics in my blood. i used to go the cheap route. i used to inject oils from the polish thief. that story is for another day. but needless to say, you can buy good gear or bad gear, or pharmacy grade gear. and i guarantee you that the top chef i use makes better products than human grade. why? because i used to run exclusively human grade and now i run exclusively top chef. with no exceptions. i am about to make one exception because no sleep made an awesome suggestion to me the other day, but that is only because i trust no sleep on a very deep level. he shows an extremely advanced and mature level of understanding of hormones for his age. he has truly grasped a couple of concepts that i didn't grasp until i was 3 years older than him. and those years are precious.
but that is a tangent. what is so expensive about my cycle that makes you say that money is of no option for me? the primo? that is the only expensive compound. i can piss NPP it is so cheap. and tren ace is tren ace, i mean it isn't cheap but i certainly am not worried about the costs of 100 mg daily. the gh is chinese and @ 10 iu daily, it is no sweat off my back. i just honestly don't get why you would assume this about me, because it is not like i am running serostim @ 10 iu daily along with parabolim amps or something like that.
and let me quickly address the other suggestions you made:
-why npp? this makes no sense to me at all based on my current body fat (5%) and goals, and the fact that i have a heart condition and i recently had a blood pressure issue.
-upping the GH to 20-30 ius daily makes no sense to me based on my goals of mirroring a golden era physique. that is totally counterintuitive. i want to look like serge or arnold, not kuklo or mcgrath. i may even DROP the gh to 5 iu daily. that is how much i believe in good anabolics and training right, along with other concepts that i don't even want to get into right now because it will open a flood gate of criticism. actually, fuck it i will go ahead and do it. i believe in cardio and a somewhat clean diet. if flex wheeler does 3 hours of cardio a day it is a fucking abomination that members of get big can all believe that cardio is totally unimportant because we all like GH. jay cutler is on the elliptical for an hour daily. arnold and franco did 30 minutes minimum a day and shot for an hour. nubret was known to have epic sprint-jog style cardio sessions. and finally diet. obviously eating clean all of the time is a terrible idea, but let me assure you that eating dirty all of the time is a worse one. find a balance. there is no black and white on this issue. it is not "clean diet" or "dirty diet".
you can still do some cardio and eat relatively clean, as in oatmeal, egg whites, meat, brown rice, fish, etc even if you are on GH
i urge everyone to stop thinking in such black and white terms. you can do GH, and do a little cardio, and eat relatively clean, and then have many, many dirty meals a week and a lot of ice cream.
it is just not all dirty. or all clean. it is not all cardio, or no cardio. and T bombs, it is not 20-30 iu of GH or none. i know this is get big, but i have specific goals that if i were to take 20-30 iu of GH, that would go directly against them. and i will be the first one to admit that my goals are slightly mental. i want to prove to myself that i can gain these extra 8 lbs of lean muscle to get to 230 and stay around 5-6% bf. because at 230- and i mean a low dose GH, golden era 230, not a generation nothing 230 full of water and sugar- i believe i will be at my goals.
tbombz, this post wasn't entirely directed at you obviously. you just got me thinking based on your response about the extremes i see on get big. however, i don't understand any of your advice except the part about anavar. that i understand.
your cycle may not seem expensive to you but i certainly cant afford to run it. your using a ton of different compounds and 10iu of gh per day. seems like you can run just about anything you want to run. if not id think youd be doing things a whole lot more simple..
as for your blood pressure issues.. i said it sucked you couldnt use high dose tren anymore.. even so.. i dont think roids will kill you bro
as for the high dose gh and maintaining an old school look.... thats why i said serge didnt use gh.. but aCtually i dont think high dosed gh will do much to ruin that look... its insulin that i think does the damage.. high aas+high gh = 90's body builder... high aas+high gh+high insulin = 2000's..
oon the diet issue.. total calories and getting 1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass should be the only real concern.. if you like to get every tiny little incremental bit of results you could eat 4-5 meals per day and try to keep saturated fats low and carbs more complex in nature but the difference between that diet and any other of equal protein and calories is gonna be pretty insignificant.. except for maybe in terms of water retention/bloating..
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the bodybuiilders from the 90's definitely used insulin, not in huge amounts but it was used. watch old vids of Titus the gut was very visible even in his late twenties..(90's)
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the bodybuiilders from the 90's definitely used insulin, not in huge amounts but it was used. watch old vids of Titus the gut was very visible even in his late twenties..(90's)
Oh totally. 90s physique is definitely not what I'm after. There are 5, maybe 7 guys who were really defined by the 90s who i like, but for the most part it is not my favorite generation
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Goals: lean bulk. Truly going for a serge nubret physique
That is my goal too.
I like your cycle, low test with high tren and anabolics.
Are you training the same way that Serge trained?
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Hey Smoof, how's things?
My suggestion is 2 part. Being that you're under 6%, I'd push a growth phase followed by a recomp phase. That's what I did and went from contest 162 to 215 in 4 months, then started recomp to pull down to 190 to see how much of my gains are muscle.
Phase 1.
Week 1-6
Sust 350 EOD
EQ 900 per week
Anadrol inject 50mg pre workout, 50mg oral post workout.
NPP 50 mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days
Weeks 6-12
Test E 1000mg/week
EQ 1200mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days
Weeks 12-18
Test E 500mg/week
EQ 900/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 300mg/week
700mg tren a/ week
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days
Weeks 18-24
Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days
Weeks 24-30
Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50 mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
tren ace 700mg/week
oral turinabol 100mg/day if wanted
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days
weeks 30-36
Test P 50mg EOD
Primo 900mg/week
Masteron 700mg/week
tren ace 1000mg/week
anadrol 100mg/day
15iu gh ED
Do the show
Week 37
350 Test p
200mg Masteron
500mg tren A
900mg EQ
Weeks 38-42
Test P 500mg
Masteron only as needed
500 mg tren A
900mg EQ
Oral turinabol 100mg/day
10iu/gh day (unless money doesn't matter)
Weeks 42-52 or 56, cruise
test E 250 mg week
finish oral turinabol for couple weeks at 50mg/day
10iu gh/day
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Smoofcat why do you say deca ruined your physique so bad? Was it the water retention? I've always stayed away from deca but I recently got a nice amount of npp from a top chef.
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Hey Smoof, how's things?
My suggestion is 2 part. Being that you're under 6%, I'd push a growth phase followed by a recomp phase. That's what I did and went from contest 162 to 215 in 4 months, then started recomp to pull down to 190 to see how much of my gains are muscle.
Phase 1.
Week 1-6
Sust 350 EOD
EQ 900 per week
Anadrol inject 50mg pre workout, 50mg oral post workout.
NPP 50 mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days
Weeks 6-12
Test E 1000mg/week
EQ 1200mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days
Weeks 12-18
Test E 500mg/week
EQ 900/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 300mg/week
700mg tren a/ week
15-20iu gh on training days, 8-10 on off days
Weeks 18-24
Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days
Weeks 24-30
Test P 350mg/week
Primo 700mg/week
NPP 50 mg EOD
Masteron 500mg/week
tren ace 700mg/week
oral turinabol 100mg/day if wanted
15iu gh on training days, 10 on off days
weeks 30-36
Test P 50mg EOD
Primo 900mg/week
Masteron 700mg/week
tren ace 1000mg/week
anadrol 100mg/day
15iu gh ED
Do the show
Week 37
350 Test p
200mg Masteron
500mg tren A
900mg EQ
Weeks 38-42
Test P 500mg
Masteron only as needed
500 mg tren A
900mg EQ
Oral turinabol 100mg/day
10iu/gh day (unless money doesn't matter)
Weeks 42-52 or 56, cruise
test E 250 mg week
finish oral turinabol for couple weeks at 50mg/day
10iu gh/day
Amazing advice. Rearden we miss you around here my friend. You have so much going on (good stuff, a blessing really) in your life now and you were going to win your next competition. Your quads/legs were actually on a ifbb pro level when I saw you in NYC, and from the pics posted your upper ain't lagging either.
So I hope training is still going well And you can still get pleasure
From the sport even though you can no longer devote
The time to compete. This may or may not be my last competition too before my life changes drastically in a
Good way.
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Smoofcat why do you say deca ruined your physique so bad? Was it the water retention? I've always stayed away from deca but I recently got a nice amount of npp from a top chef.
Npp is different. I ran deca from a pharmacy in the city (do not ask) many times. 500 Mgs. I have a lean, serge nubret type of physique (his and my stats are the same
Down to a T), but he obviously had significantly more muscle maturity. He hated deca also. There is a
Story that serge once returned from Europe with two suitcases full of parabolan amps and told Franco the game was about to change.
Just a side story, but physiques like ours (tall thin long limbs very low
Bf very low natural estrogen) often do not react well to deca. Npp did not do wonderful things for me either but I ran an absurd dose of it, however it was not half as bad as deca, and the joint lubrication was amazing .
I have Npp top chef now too 350mg weekly only for joints w mucho tren ace, primo.
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There is a Story that serge once returned from Europe with two suitcases full of parabolan amps and told Franco the game was about to change.
Interesting would like to hear more.
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Npp is different. I ran deca from a pharmacy in the city (do not ask) many times. 500 Mgs. I have a lean, serge nubret type of physique (his and my stats are the same
Down to a T), but he obviously had significantly more muscle maturity. He hated deca also. There is a
Story that serge once returned from Europe with two suitcases full of parabolan amps and told Franco the game was about to change.
Just a side story, but physiques like ours (tall thin long limbs very low
Bf very low natural estrogen) often do not react well to deca. Npp did not do wonderful things for me either but I ran an absurd dose of it, however it was not half as bad as deca, and the joint lubrication was amazing .
I have Npp top chef now too 350mg weekly only for joints w mucho tren ace, primo.
What do people like us respond to best?(referencing your tall/thin/long limb/low bf part)
Ive tried test,dbol,tren so far
Dbol and tren were awesome, I hate test!!!
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What do people like us respond to best?(referencing your tall/thin/long limb/low bf part)
Ive tried test,dbol,tren so far
Dbol and tren were awesome, I hate test!!!
What is your height weight and bf?
Tren ace is our main drug, bulk or cut.
Masteron but not all of the year, there are
Prostate issues that will arise if you push it w this very powerful oil.
I am learning quickly from experience that primo is truly on an island alone w tren ace. Primo is magic.
Npp is suggested for joints but don't high dose
It. Leave your growth to the equipoise , the tren ace, the primo. Let it saturate with the gh. Only 5-10 iu is necessary unless you are actually attempting mutation.
And run low dose prop or sust. I like sust for reasons I have gone into detail on this site
Lately. Even at 100-350 mg weekly, sust gives you a fuller look than
Prop without affecting your waist at all.
My theory is because it has some prop in it, yet it also has some very long
Esthers. Best of both worlds.
And running sust allows yoU to comfortably just cut off
All
Anabolics
For 3 weeks with no problems. And after 3 weeks off, this is when you look incredible. Prop won't allow you to do this comfortably.
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Cant believe I'm asking this, but is tren ace the same drug as parabolan minus the shorter ester? parabolan was still the same exact chemical make up of the drug as "fina" correct?
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I didn't read the whole thread besides the first post, and have seen a few of your posts smoof. That's a beautiful stack, and seems you're not afraid to spend what it takes to look retarded.
With your allotted gear expense, I'd do:
350mg/week Test Prop
1,050mg/week Primo Ace
700mg/week Mast Ace
80mg/day Anavar
10iu/day GH
50mcg/day T3
Tren is a personal decision, tho it seems you want to use it, and with 10iu GH I would. If you go with tren, you don't really need the Var, it can be taken out. But var is amazing...
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Im 173 8% 5'10
And yeah thats exactly what no sleep told me when I pmed him
100mg tren ace EOD
600mg EQ
150mg test
Might get some sus, all I have right now is test E
And ill hold in the GH im only 19, couldnt afford it anyways.though lol
Sleep knows his stuff. Talk to him . You're about his age, just learn from him. I'm in another boat in terms of age and doses (although sleep is actually running some very serious cycles now).
Anyway that works , the above cycle. Test e works . It's gonna be a light cycle but you are 170 this is all u need now . Actually u may have a minor mutation because u are so light lol.
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Cant believe I'm asking this, but is tren ace the same drug as parabolan minus the shorter ester? parabolan was still the same exact chemical make up of the drug as "fina" correct?
yes. tren enanthate. tren hexacarbolyate or whatever the fuck ;D ;D (parabolan), tren ace, tren suspension.. its all tren. you can add any ester to any roid. still the same roid. now methylating a steroid for make it orally available.. different story. that process alters the activity of the compound, making it exert different effects. but ester.. doesnt change how the roid works. can effect water retention though.
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What is your height weight and bf?
Tren ace is our main drug, bulk or cut.
Masteron but not all of the year, there are
Prostate issues that will arise if you push it w this very powerful oil.
I am learning quickly from experience that primo is truly on an island alone w tren ace. Primo is magic.
Npp is suggested for joints but don't high dose
It. Leave your growth to the equipoise , the tren ace, the primo. Let it saturate with the gh. Only 5-10 iu is necessary unless you are actually attempting mutation.
And run low dose prop or sust. I like sust for reasons I have gone into detail on this site
Lately. Even at 100-350 mg weekly, sust gives you a fuller look than
Prop without affecting your waist at all.
My theory is because it has some prop in it, yet it also has some very long
Esthers. Best of both worlds.
And running sust allows yoU to comfortably just cut off
All
Anabolics
For 3 weeks with no problems. And after 3 weeks off, this is when you look incredible. Prop won't allow you to do this comfortably.
I'm another big fan of sustanon. Last summer I got a 100 amps for a really good price. I was running 3 a week a long with 100-200mg of masteron prop eod. I also threw different orals in for 4-5 weeks a time. Best I ever looked. Very nice lean bulk cycle for me.
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3 sustanon a week is very good for maintaining size and slowly building at the same time. cheap and effective. its what i ran for a long time. mon-wed-fri. simple.
what kind of amps were you running makaveli ?
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Sleep knows his stuff. Talk to him . You're about his age, just learn from him. I'm in another boat in terms of age and doses (although sleep is actually running some very serious cycles now).
Anyway that works , the above cycle. Test e works . It's gonna be a light cycle but you are 170 this is all u need now . Actually u may have a minor mutation because u are so light lol.
yeah i've been seeing HUGE changes daily, big fan of tren so far. Hard,vascular, full,dryish depending on my diet. People have been asking WTF I am doing haha but yeah I had a few PMs with him, going to follow what he said to a T he looks great and we have a similar frame.
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I didn't read the whole thread besides the first post, and have seen a few of your posts smoof. That's a beautiful stack, and seems you're not afraid to spend what it takes to look retarded.
With your allotted gear expense, I'd do:
350mg/week Test Prop
1,050mg/week Primo Ace
700mg/week Mast Ace
80mg/day Anavar
10iu/day GH
50mcg/day T3
Tren is a personal decision, tho it seems you want to use it, and with 10iu GH I would. If you go with tren, you don't really need the Var, it can be taken out. But var is amazing...
I like your style. This is a good stack. I would absolutely run drost now , but I have been on for 3 months (gram weekly) and drost is not an oil u stay on year round. Serious issues can arise involving your prostate.
You're right about me not being afraid to spend money to get the best compounds from only the top chefs. I don't even do human grade any more because I respond better to certain private UGL and it's not rocket science- certain people who were on highest stage do the same. However they use pharm grade gh. There lies the difference between them and me, for starters.
I only run 2 major blast cycles a year, and I am going all out. The other 2-3 months, I am running 250 mg
Sust to cruise w growth. And u dont lose your gains that quickly. You actually look your best after 3 weeks of injecting NOTHING. This is when u get showered w compliments because you maintain size yet drop water and just look tight.
3 weeks is that magic window. And I will gladly cruise on 250 mg sust for 1-2 months (2 max max max). I just go by feel. If it feels rigt I do it . You don't lose a damn thing when off for a month and only taking 250 mg test other than WATER.
So my cruises cost nothing they are free essentially they are so cheap i get paid to cruise lol, and dropping a nice bit of $ for my 2 blasts makes me actually feel great! I don't want the cheap
Shit unless it is gh! Because I am on a mission to get a golden age body anyway, and gh for me just is there to counteract the tren ace I love so much, let me sleep and keep my waist < 32 .
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3 sustanon a week is very good for maintaining size and slowly building at the same time. cheap and effective. its what i ran for a long time. mon-wed-fri. simple.
what kind of amps were you running makaveli ?
Alone? Just 750 mg sust? Was That a bridge?
I ran this as one of my first cycles when I was a kid... Thought I would turn into Arnold with 750 mg omnadren ampules human grade. Results were less than stellar, and I quickly figured out that test alone is a bad cycle. Years later I leaned the truth about test, that it is the worst steroid, but the most necessary. Without it you can't realistically run androgens year round such as tren. We all know what happens. The problem is that test at high doses without any gh can ruin a physique, much like deca or dianabol can.
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Agreed. Ran testosterone enanthate and dianabol as my first cycle and all it did for me was give me a lot of bloat and a lot of acne. I look hundred times better on tren with masteron and LOW test prop (50 mg EOD).
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excellent thread! Keep the good info coming guys!
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excellent thread! Keep the good info coming guys!
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excellent thread! Keep the good info coming guys!
What else would you like to know ? I am more than happy to answer any questions you younger or newer to hormone guys.
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Alone? Just 750 mg sust? Was That a bridge?
I ran this as one of my first cycles when I was a kid... Thought I would turn into Arnold with 750 mg omnadren ampules human grade. Results were less than stellar, and I quickly figured out that test alone is a bad cycle. Years later I leaned the truth about test, that it is the worst steroid, but the most necessary. Without it you can't realistically run androgens year round such as tren. We all know what happens. The problem is that test at high doses without any gh can ruin a physique, much like deca or dianabol can.
by itself. not a bridge. about a 1 and a half year long cycle. worked great. very affordable and effective. its become hip on getbig to bash test, and i can understand if your main priority is looking dry and shredded, but test is still an awesome steroid, one of the best for mass, probably the "healthiest", and cheap too.
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by itself. not a bridge. about a 1 and a half year long cycle. worked great. very affordable and effective. its become hip on getbig to bash test, and i can understand if your main priority is looking dry and shredded, but test is still an awesome steroid, one of the best for mass, probably the "healthiest", and cheap too.
Noone is bashing it as a steroid. But for bodybuilding purposes it is garbage. It's just a necessary ancillary, and yes, at times you can go as high as almost 2 grams of test.
But test alone, for bodybuilding purposes, is awful.
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you might feel that way but alot of great physique have been built on test regardless of how you feel about it
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So no one likes using deca? Even when bulking? Im 18 and im gaining very slow gains on deca and abit of test
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What else would you like to know ? I am more than happy to answer any questions you younger or newer to hormone guys.
For one, we saw how you'd approach hormone usage for the tall leaner guys. What about the shorter guys who tend to gain fat more easily?
And what about the 35 year old and older types who wanna still look beastly?
I'll try to think of more ..
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3 sustanon a week is very good for maintaining size and slowly building at the same time. cheap and effective. its what i ran for a long time. mon-wed-fri. simple.
what kind of amps were you running makaveli ?
They were the new organon pakistan amps. A new company took them over I forgot the name. Very good though. Sustanon keeps me a lot dryer than E or C for some reason.
If you add orals in and out with this kind of cycle you can look good as long as your diet is in check and you're doing some cardio. I was using masteron on and off to so it kept me really dry.
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What else would you like to know ? I am more than happy to answer any questions you younger or newer to hormone guys.
Best cycle for looking like a fitness model?
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So I'm five weeks out from my contest now and starting to think about what I want to do afterwards for a bulking phase. This is of course assuming I place 1 or 2 cause if not I'm going to prep for another show but that's a different story.
So I'll end using 300mg/week prop, 700mg/week tren, 500mg/week masteron. At three weeks out I'm dropping GH which I've been running at 10IU per day, and EQ which has been at 900mg per week. I'm adding anadrol 150mg per day for the last three weeks.
What would be a good transition gear wise after this? Should I just cruise on some test for a bit or should I take advantage of this supposed post contest window. And if so what the hell do I do?
I'm older than some of you, 33 and I used to be a typical meso, but in my old age I've become a meso/endo LOL.
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samson anadrol and test both make you hold water. i dont think running either of them during your final three weeks is a good idea. you could keep the equipoise in though.
as for what you run afterwards, how about replace the masteron and eq with npp and test.. say bump your 300 of prop to 700 and run 800 npp along with it.. throw in your gh back at 10iu or 15 or 20iu if you can afford it .. should be solid. .
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I will most likely drop the prop a week out depending on what I look like. Anadrol when lean however blows muscles up from the inside. It's an advanced technique and it's in the bible. First learned about it from Bboys thread on PM.
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I will most likely drop the prop a week out depending on what I look like. Anadrol when lean however blows muscles up from the inside. It's an advanced technique and it's in the bible. First learned about it from Bboys thread on PM.
That's only when running it along side GH I think. If you drop the GH out I don't think the oxys will have the same effect and you may look watery
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So no one likes using deca? Even when bulking? Im 18 and im gaining very slow gains on deca and abit of test
I love it. It's the most effective AAS for gaining mass (for me personally). I gain more muscle from deca (mg for mg)
than I do with test, tren, D-bol, or any other AAS. I love NPP, but am currently using regular Deca because
I prefer human grade when I have the option (Normas).
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I will most likely drop the prop a week out depending on what I look like. Anadrol when lean however blows muscles up from the inside. It's an advanced technique and it's in the bible. First learned about it from Bboys thread on PM.
i know. anadrol during prep is extremely common for that reason. but most will drop it at least a week or two out to decrease water retention.
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by itself. not a bridge. about a 1 and a half year long cycle. worked great. very affordable and effective. its become hip on getbig to bash test, and i can understand if your main priority is looking dry and shredded, but test is still an awesome steroid, one of the best for mass, probably the "healthiest", and cheap too.
Can you explain that please?
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Can you explain that please?
about it being healthy ? just a gut feeling really (which is why i said "probably"), since its natural to the body, and unmodified..