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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: BFG on March 08, 2012, 08:08:20 AM
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I rarely post anything more than objective information which can be interpreted however you want but I was reading a certain thread about turning pro which made me realize how (for lack of a better word - I'm not trying to be offensive) delusional a lot of aspiring bodybuilders are.
The single most important factor in turning pro (or general bodybuilding success) is genetics. Obviously, it requires a lot of drugs to get there but without the genetic structure and response to hormones and weight training it does not matter how many drugs you take. Anyone can be very large and muscular, sure, but to satisfy the bodybuilding judges' criteria to become a top national competitor let alone an IFBB pro, its truly a contest of genetics.
Allow me to be more specific: at the NPC Nationals - everyone in the top 3 of the superheavies are on the same drugs in pretty much the same doses. Everyone trains hard (some of you may debate that but thats another conversation) whether they do chest on mondays or do a 3 day DC split, its basically the same. Everyone diets basically the same way and does the same cardio. So what determines who wins and gets his pro card and who keeps getting 2nd or 3rd place year after year? Genetics and only genetics.
If you want to run pro level drug stacks to be the biggest guy in the nightclub, go for it and have fun! If, however, you are doing it to try to go pro...its time for a reality check. You would know the true power of your genetics and how far they can take you in this sport after your first cycle of 500mg's of test per week.
Look in the mirror - is the guy looking back at you similar in build to the previous winners of the NPC Nationals super heavy weight class? Thats your answer.
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I rarely post anything more than objective information which can be interpreted however you want but I was reading a certain thread about turning pro which made me realize how (for lack of a better word - I'm not trying to be offensive) delusional a lot of aspiring bodybuilders are.
The single most important factor in turning pro (or general bodybuilding success) is genetics. Obviously, it requires a lot of drugs to get there but without the genetic structure and response to hormones and weight training it does not matter how many drugs you take. Anyone can be very large and muscular, sure, but to satisfy the bodybuilding judges' criteria to become a top national competitor let alone an IFBB pro, its truly a contest of genetics.
Allow me to be more specific: at the NPC Nationals - everyone in the top 3 of the superheavies are on the same drugs in pretty much the same doses. Everyone trains hard (some of you may debate that but thats another conversation) whether they do chest on mondays or do a 3 day DC split, its basically the same. Everyone diets basically the same way and does the same cardio. So what determines who wins and gets his pro card and who keeps getting 2nd or 3rd place year after year? Genetics and only genetics.
If you want to run pro level drug stacks to be the biggest guy in the nightclub, go for it and have fun! If, however, you are doing it to try to go pro...its time for a reality check. You would know the true power of your genetics and how far they can take you in this sport after your first cycle of 500mg's of test per week.
Sorry, I misread the title, it suggested success was possible in bodybuilding - do you mean winning plastic trophies, or is there some other form of success you are alluding too!
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My thoughts exactly.....genetics are still a huge part of bodybuilding regardless of how many boatloads of shit a person is running,as well as a persons response to gear.
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thanks for your editorial comment.
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/420727.1151511118709.Doggcrapp_02_130kg.jpg)
Go back to posting factual content.
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Glad to have you back, BFG. Spent a better part of yesterday re-reading your posts. And, no, I am not kidding. A lot of great info. in those posts. :-) :-)
POST MORE ! Plllleeeaaasssseeeee !
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You would know the true power of your genetics and how far they can take you in this sport after your first cycle of 500mg's of test per week.
Look in the mirror - is the guy looking back at you similar in build to the previous winners of the NPC Nationals super heavy weight class? Thats your answer.
is there no way to know before this first cycle ???
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(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/420727.1151511118709.Doggcrapp_02_130kg.jpg)
That's what I Imagine Frankenstein would look like on modern bodybuilding pharmaceuticals
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that the top three superheavies in npc are on the same drugs is not a valid argument for the imortance of genetics, because it was their ability to get their hands on the drugs that took them to top 3 that made them top three.
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I wonder how hyooooge Danta would be if he ran more than 200mgs of test a week!! :o ;D
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I wonder how hyooooge Danta would be if he ran more than 200mgs of test a week!! :o ;D
All the way big gay
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Of course it's genetics. Why else don't we see a guy In every gym looking like Arnold. We have access to all the shit he did.
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that the top three superheavies in npc are on the same drugs is not a valid argument for the imortance of genetics, because it was their ability to get their hands on the drugs that took them to top 3 that made them top three.
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thanks for your editorial comment.
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/420727.1151511118709.Doggcrapp_02_130kg.jpg)
Go back to posting factual content.
Fat fucker that's a legit 50 inch waist.
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Wish this bfg guy posted o. Here more often
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G = S + R
Genetics = Structure + Response
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Of course it's genetics. Why else don't we see a guy In every gym looking like Arnold. We have access to all the shit he did.
It's not uncommon all over the world to find douches on just as much gear, but the difference is that they hit the genetic wall a lot earlier.
After a certain point there are strongly diminishing returns on what people are injecting. They just turn red/purple in the face and bloat up. I feel bad that they're too stupid to lower the dosage and just lift according to what their body's able to handle. I've tried upping the dose too but I just look bad, feel bad and I think I might even regress (I get bigger but bloated, so it really looks smaller). Not everyone can look fantastic. Run lower, continuous doses and if gear's not your friend then GH will definitely be more forgiving. People with extremely poor genetics will at least get leaner and much healthier looking on GH. They'll fill out a bit better too.
There's one guy at my gym who's purple as a penis, does an hour of HIIT and always looks like he's going to pass out. His arms are scrawny and the muscle isn't full like when most people take test, tren and an oral. It looks like his body is being punished by the gear. I want to tell the fella to fucking lower his dose and train properly but it's his life. Pissing away his time, money and health when there's a better way...
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that the top three superheavies in npc are on the same drugs is not a valid argument for the imortance of genetics, because it was their ability to get their hands on the drugs that took them to top 3 that made them top three.
What are you talking about ?
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* Bump *
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Thank you BFG. Good info as usual. Bring some sense back to this board.
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Could BFG be gh15? He knows alot about drugs and the BB cult. No he is too smart. Loved it when gh15 would say he is wrong.
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Could BFG be gh15? He knows alot about drugs and the BB cult. No he is too smart. Loved it when gh15 would say he is wrong.
bfg says testosterone is the most important drug
gh15 is pretty anti test
bloofy watery estrogen etc
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bfg says testosterone is the most important drug
gh15 is pretty anti test
bloofy watery estrogen etc
Most BB know that test is best, makes u strong, big and fuck like a beast. I know alot of guys who look really good off of test. No most don't compete bc they just don't get into it. If have seen many guys get big off of test and then diet down for the beach. Of course we all know that hgh is great, but for the biggest bang for your buck and not usually fake, test is best of alot of guys. Very few guys in the gym wants to be a IFBB pro.
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I rarely post anything more than objective information which can be interpreted however you want but I was reading a certain thread about turning pro which made me realize how (for lack of a better word - I'm not trying to be offensive) delusional a lot of aspiring bodybuilders are.
The single most important factor in turning pro (or general bodybuilding success) is genetics. Obviously, it requires a lot of drugs to get there but without the genetic structure and response to hormones and weight training it does not matter how many drugs you take. Anyone can be very large and muscular, sure, but to satisfy the bodybuilding judges' criteria to become a top national competitor let alone an IFBB pro, its truly a contest of genetics.
Allow me to be more specific: at the NPC Nationals - everyone in the top 3 of the superheavies are on the same drugs in pretty much the same doses. Everyone trains hard (some of you may debate that but thats another conversation) whether they do chest on mondays or do a 3 day DC split, its basically the same. Everyone diets basically the same way and does the same cardio. So what determines who wins and gets his pro card and who keeps getting 2nd or 3rd place year after year? Genetics and only genetics.
If you want to run pro level drug stacks to be the biggest guy in the nightclub, go for it and have fun! If, however, you are doing it to try to go pro...its time for a reality check. You would know the true power of your genetics and how far they can take you in this sport after your first cycle of 500mg's of test per week.
Look in the mirror - is the guy looking back at you similar in build to the previous winners of the NPC Nationals super heavy weight class? Thats your answer.
you fucking moron this is what makes the difference
PURITY AND QUALITY OF THE DRUGS
YOU TAKE LEGIT KIGTROPIN PHARM GRADE GH = YOU WIN
YOU TAKE CHINESE BLUE TOPS = YOU LOSE
what fucking genetics.... if any of u had pharma GH with top quality AAS you would see the whole genetics thing is bullshit
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Most BB know that test is best, makes u strong, big and fuck like a beast. I know alot of guys who look really good off of test. No most don't compete bc they just don't get into it. If have seen many guys get big off of test and then diet down for the beach. Of course we all know that hgh is great, but for the biggest bang for your buck and not usually fake, test is best of alot of guys. Very few guys in the gym wants to be a IFBB pro.
test is ok IF and only IF you have GH in there so you will be able to pull off the look ... test is the #1 line/definition killer .. it blurrs your physique anyone knows this (look at the arab competitors they are anti test and LOOK AT THEIR BODIES) (they use it lower dose)
fuck even the guys in the 70s used less test and most anabolics and u saw their bodies ... more test + less gh = todays bodybuilding thats why everyone looks like shit lol... especially with insulin abuse its like double looking like shit effect
it's mainly there for thickness of the muscle but if you use 1g test with no GH i assure you .. you will look like SHIT
test is best only exists in USA .. and you all look like shit too lol this is the funniest part
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Most BB know that test is best, makes u strong, big and fuck like a beast. I know alot of guys who look really good off of test. No most don't compete bc they just don't get into it. If have seen many guys get big off of test and then diet down for the beach. Of course we all know that hgh is great, but for the biggest bang for your buck and not usually fake, test is best of alot of guys. Very few guys in the gym wants to be a IFBB pro.
Test is the LAST steroid I would choose. primo dbol and deca makes me more muscular than testosterone.
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thanks for your editorial comment.
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/420727.1151511118709.Doggcrapp_02_130kg.jpg)
Go back to posting factual content.
LoL disgusting physique.
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Getting extra wear outta them Hanes I see (turned inside out)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=418485.0;attach=460637;image)
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you fucking moron this is what makes the difference
PURITY AND QUALITY OF THE DRUGS
YOU TAKE LEGIT KIGTROPIN PHARM GRADE GH = YOU WIN
YOU TAKE CHINESE BLUE TOPS = YOU LOSE
what fucking genetics.... if any of u had pharma GH with top quality AAS you would see the whole genetics thing is bullshit
I'm not sure whats with the hostility. You clearly don't understand that there are tons of guys on boatloads of drugs who may never make it to the nationals because of their genetics (or lack thereof). GH has a profound effect on one's physique but it doesnt change one's structure or genetic response. Do you honestly believe the difference between top 3 at the nationals and last place is because the former is using fake steroids?
Furthermore, most people with decent genetics can look great - defined, lean and muscular - on high doses of testosterone. If you do not have the genetics to handle 1 gram or more of testosterone that doesn't mean the drug is bad, that means that your response is sub-par in bodybuilding terms.
Its easier and more comfortable to attribute everything good and bad to drugs because it would require acknowledging one's own personal, physical shortcomings to accept that one may not be cut out for this sport.
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I'm not sure whats with the hostility. You clearly don't understand that there are tons of guys on boatloads of drugs who may never make it to the nationals because of their genetics (or lack thereof). GH has a profound effect on one's physique but it doesnt change one's structure or genetic response. Do you honestly believe the difference between top 3 at the nationals and last place is because the former is using fake steroids?
Furthermore, most people with decent genetics can look great - defined, lean and muscular - on high doses of testosterone. If you do not have the genetics to handle 1 gram or more of testosterone that doesn't mean the drug is bad, that means that your response is sub-par in bodybuilding terms.
Its easier and more comfortable to attribute everything good and bad to drugs because it would require acknowledging one's own personal, physical shortcomings to accept that one may not be cut out for this sport.
Good post, as usual, BFG. And nevermind G101, BFG ... people with low I.Q's tend to become hostile over things they cannot grasp.
Again ... PLEASE POST MORE !
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I'm not sure whats with the hostility. You clearly don't understand that there are tons of guys on boatloads of drugs who may never make it to the nationals because of their genetics (or lack thereof). GH has a profound effect on one's physique but it doesnt change one's structure or genetic response. Do you honestly believe the difference between top 3 at the nationals and last place is because the former is using fake steroids?
Furthermore, most people with decent genetics can look great - defined, lean and muscular - on high doses of testosterone. If you do not have the genetics to handle 1 gram or more of testosterone that doesn't mean the drug is bad, that means that your response is sub-par in bodybuilding terms.
Its easier and more comfortable to attribute everything good and bad to drugs because it would require acknowledging one's own personal, physical shortcomings to accept that one may not be cut out for this sport.
I told u this guy was smart.
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I'm not sure whats with the hostility. You clearly don't understand that there are tons of guys on boatloads of drugs who may never make it to the nationals because of their genetics (or lack thereof). GH has a profound effect on one's physique but it doesnt change one's structure or genetic response. Do you honestly believe the difference between top 3 at the nationals and last place is because the former is using fake steroids?
Furthermore, most people with decent genetics can look great - defined, lean and muscular - on high doses of testosterone. If you do not have the genetics to handle 1 gram or more of testosterone that doesn't mean the drug is bad, that means that your response is sub-par in bodybuilding terms.
Its easier and more comfortable to attribute everything good and bad to drugs because it would require acknowledging one's own personal, physical shortcomings to accept that one may not be cut out for this sport.
WTF
are there any pros with good structure in todays bodybuilding?
maybe dennis wolf
structure means nothing
legit drugs - that s the key, always was
hell, even arnold had better drugs than the other competitors, so did yates
genetics are needed in basketball but not bodybuilding
every average man can compete in the nationals with some good advice and legit drugs in the 15iu gh+ range and 200mg tren ace daily
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LoL disgusting physique.
prime example for too high testo-dosage without foundation
of course foundation means saturated with gh and low bodyfat via long therm gh usage
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thanks for your editorial comment.
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/420727.1151511118709.Doggcrapp_02_130kg.jpg)
Go back to posting factual content.
Every womans fantasy.
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My oppinion is that you talk a lot of words to say basically very little and you are not correct btw
you need a reality check
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bfg knows whats what, hes one fo those guys who loads up on hormones but when u ask him something he'll first think about what benefits him then answer you, wont just tell u the truth
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WTF
are there any pros with good structure in todays bodybuilding?
maybe dennis wolf
structure means nothing
legit drugs - that s the key, always was
hell, even arnold had better drugs than the other competitors, so did yates
genetics are needed in basketball but not bodybuilding
every average man can compete in the nationals with some good advice and legit drugs in the 15iu gh+ range and 200mg tren ace daily
Stupid post, who was bigger then Palumbo when he competed? no one, who was more shredded then Palumbo? no one, who was more strated and dry then palumbo? no one, did he get a pro card? no, lost everytime cause of GENETIC STRUCTURE
The top guys all shop at the same place, hence they all have accessto the same shit
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Stupid post, who was bigger then Palumbo when he competed? no one, who was more shredded then Palumbo? no one, who was more strated and dry then palumbo? no one, did he get a pro card? no, lost everytime cause of GENETIC STRUCTURE
The top guys all shop at the same place, hence they all have accessto the same shit
and palumbo abused more than all of them combined lol......
idiot. palumbo realllllly PUSHED IT TO THE FUCKING LIMIT VERY SERIOUS DRUG ABUSER VERY SERIOUS
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and palumbo abused more than all of them combined lol......
idiot. palumbo realllllly PUSHED IT TO THE FUCKING LIMIT VERY SERIOUS DRUG ABUSER VERY SERIOUS
That's exactly my point
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Seriously, people who do not acknowledge how important genetics are just show their lack of experience. ANYBODY who has trained for years and used AAS and had friends do the same will quickly see what genetics mean when your buddy on the same dose leaves you eating his dust. Even when you up your dose and still do not match your buddy your last ounce of doubt is crushed. Sure, you can get big on human grade juice but your buddy will ALLWAYS be better no mater what you do.
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Seriously, people who do not acknowledge how important genetics are just show their lack of experience. ANYBODY who has trained for years and used AAS and had friends do the same will quickly see what genetics mean when your buddy on the same dose leaves you eating his dust. Even when you up your dose and still do not match your buddy your last ounce of doubt is crushed. Sure, you can get big on human grade juice but your buddy will ALLWAYS be better no mater what you do.
THIS
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you fucking moron this is what makes the difference
PURITY AND QUALITY OF THE DRUGS
YOU TAKE LEGIT KIGTROPIN PHARM GRADE GH = YOU WIN
YOU TAKE CHINESE BLUE TOPS = YOU LOSE
what fucking genetics.... if any of u had pharma GH with top quality AAS you would see the whole genetics thing is bullshit
You think Cutler or Warren could ever look like Buchanan or Reeves? Shut your fucking mouth you drug peddling fucking moron.
Genetics is everything. It's structure, muscle shape, response, tolerance.
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You think Cutler or Warren could ever look like Buchanan or Reeves? Shut your fucking mouth you drug peddling fucking moron.
Genetics is everything. It's structure, muscle shape, response, tolerance.
The guy`s all about drugs and has no clue............some 'top elf' he turned out to be! LOL ;D
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Stupid post, who was bigger then Palumbo when he competed? no one, who was more shredded then Palumbo? no one, who was more strated and dry then palumbo? no one, did he get a pro card? no, lost everytime cause of GENETIC STRUCTURE
great, now explain why branch wins anything.
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great, now explain why branch wins anything.
Politics.
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Politics.
Yup ! Gotta love Muscletech !
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Stupid post, who was bigger then Palumbo when he competed? no one, who was more shredded then Palumbo? no one, who was more strated and dry then palumbo? no one, did he get a pro card? no, lost everytime cause of GENETIC STRUCTURE
The top guys all shop at the same place, hence they all have accessto the same shit
you are the stupid poster here
palumbo didn t have average genetics
he had one of the worst genetics ever
average genetics is like cutler or heath
good genetics is like arnold, haney, yates coleman
if you have good genetics (top 10% of population) and have legit hormones with good advice you will sweep most of the pros of the stage like those multiple mr O did
look at last week s arnold s
everyone on stage except wolf (and he has lot of structural flaws too) had average or subaverage genetics
and i mean serously, branch won and he s a fucking midget without anything like good structure, lines....wat you may call genetics
look at pics of young centropani, this is average genetics at max, look at kefelianos and tell me he is not far under average
all drugs and politics
get over it dreamers
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WTF
are there any pros with good structure in todays bodybuilding?
maybe dennis wolf
structure means nothing
legit drugs - that s the key, always was
hell, even arnold had better drugs than the other competitors, so did yates
genetics are needed in basketball but not bodybuilding
every average man can compete in the nationals with some good advice and legit drugs in the 15iu gh+ range and 200mg tren ace daily
Assuming drugs are good quality,
Genetic response to the drugs and the structure (frame, attachments, joint size) are the factors
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Yup ! Gotta love Muscletech !
Politics.
No such thing...
Branch is a deserving champion!
And he is a great poser, in the mould of corney, vince taylor...
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Assuming drugs are good quality,
Genetic response to the drugs and the structure (frame, attachments, joint size) are the factors
FACT
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you are the stupid poster here
palumbo didn t have average genetics
he had one of the worst genetics ever
average genetics is like cutler or heath
good genetics is like arnold, haney, yates coleman
if you have good genetics (top 10% of population) and have legit hormones with good advice you will sweep most of the pros of the stage like those multiple mr O did
look at last week s arnold s
everyone on stage except wolf (and he has lot of structural flaws too) had average or subaverage genetics
and i mean serously, branch won and he s a fucking midget without anything like good structure, lines....wat you may call genetics
look at pics of young centropani, this is average genetics at max, look at kefelianos and tell me he is not far under average
all drugs and politics
get over it dreamers
No. Exceptional genetics is Reeves, Oliva, Buchanan, Wheeler, Paris, Dillet a few others.
Average genetics but well above average ability to carry mass is Dorian, Ronnie, Nasser, Ruhl.
Horrible genetics is Artwood, Palumbo, Kovacs et cetera.
Branch had good genetics when younger, aesthetic, he flooded his lines and fucked his physique up + synthol/tears.
Wolf has better genetics than Dorian, far better structure, v taper, quad sweep, lines.
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People like flex, ray, dillet, prince, levrone, ferrigno, arnold show that with their great structure and good drugs, they have exceptional response
Without drugs, they do not look impressive at all, and you wouldn't even say they train, but the metamorphosis is astounding on drugs
That is response
Then on another level, completely different thing is the ability to carry EXTREME mass as jaime said, and still appear human. Haney, dorian, ronnie, ruhl, jay, kai, nasser
That is structure
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People like flex, ray, dillet, prince, levrone, ferrigno, arnold show that with their great structure and good drugs, they have exceptional response
Without drugs, they do not look impressive at all, and you wouldn't even say they train, but the metamorphosis is astounding on drugs
That is response
Then on another level, completely different thing is the ability to carry EXTREME mass as jaime said, and still appear human. Haney, dorian, ronnie, ruhl, jay, kai, nasser
That is structure
but you also need to take into account limb length, torso length, etc
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great, now explain why branch wins anything.
Branch structure is not good but it's not bad either, we only act like it's horrendous cause we compare it to Wolf, Dexter, and Evan, but we can all agree that Branch winning is a flaw in the system, he brings in fans, so much so that the fans choice award for the Arnold went to him, go figure
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test is ok IF and only IF you have GH in there so you will be able to pull off the look ... test is the #1 line/definition killer .. it blurrs your physique anyone knows this (look at the arab competitors they are anti test and LOOK AT THEIR BODIES) (they use it lower dose)
fuck even the guys in the 70s used less test and most anabolics and u saw their bodies ... more test + less gh = todays bodybuilding thats why everyone looks like shit lol... especially with insulin abuse its like double looking like shit effect
it's mainly there for thickness of the muscle but if you use 1g test with no GH i assure you .. you will look like SHIT
test is best only exists in USA .. and you all look like shit too lol this is the funniest part
oh brother... Your a parrot
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but you also need to take into account limb length, torso length, etc
Yes, and muscle belly length, attachments, joint size
That's all under good structure, like dillet, flex, long legs not stumpy with long torsos
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Yes, and muscle belly length, attachments, joint size
That's all under good structure, like dillet, flex, long legs not stumpy with long torsos
you think long torso is good ??? it's impossible to have long legs and a long torso, relatively speaking
IMO the torso should be about 2/3 the length of the legs
Arnold does not have a long torso, asser does
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you think long torso is good ??? it's impossible to have long legs and a long torso, relatively speaking
IMO the torso should be about 2/3 the length of the legs
Arnold does not have a long torso, asser does
Lol
I said " long legs, not stumpy with long torsos", shoulda put a comma in there originally ;D
Examples of long torso, stumpy legs; priest, matarazzo