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Ranjan Das, CEO and MD of SAP Indian subcontinent died after a massive
cardiac arrest in Mumbai on Wednesday.
One of the youngest CEOs, he was just 42 year old
What killed Ranjan Das and Lessons for Corporate India
A few months ago, many of us heard about the sad demise of Ranjan Das
from Bandra, Mumbai. He was very active in sports, was a fitness freak
and a marathon runner. It was common to see him run on Bandra's Carter
Road . Just after Diwali, on 21st Oct, he returned home from his gym
after a workout, collapse! d with a massive heart attack and died.
It was certainly a wake-up call for corporate India . However, it was
even more disastrous for runners amongst us. Since Ranjan was an avid
marathoner ( in Feb 09, he ran Chennai Marathon at the same time some
of us were running Pondicherry Marathon 180 km away ), the question
came as to why an exceptionally active, athletic person succumb to
heart attack at 42 years of age.
Was it the stress?
While Ranjan had mentioned that he faced a lot of stress, that is a
common element in most of our lives. We used to think that by being
fit, one can conquer the bad effects of stress.
The Real Reason However, everyone missed out a small line in the
reports that Ranjan used to make do with 4-5 hours of sleep. This is
an earlier interview of Ranjan on NDTV in the program. Well-known
cardiologist on the subject of 'Heart Disease caused by Lack of Sleep'
have distilled the key points below in the hope it will save some of
our lives.
Some Excerpts:
1. Short sleep duration ( <5 or 5-6 hours ) increased risk for high BP
by 350% to 500% compared to those who slept longer than 6 hours per night.
2. Young people ( 25-49 years of age ) are twice as likely to get high
BP if they sleep less.
3 Individuals who slept less than 5 hours a night had a 3-fold
increased risk of heart attacks.
4 Complete and partial lack of sleep increased the blood
concentrations of High sensitivity C-Reactive Protein (hs-cRP), the
strongest predictor of heart attacks. Even after getting adequate
sleep later, the levels stayed high!!
5. Just one night of sleep loss increases very toxic substances in
body such as Interleukin-6 (IL! -6), Tumour Necrosis Factor-Alpha
(TNF-alpha) and C-reactive protein (cRP).
They increase risks of many medical conditions, including cancer,
arthritis and heart disease.
6. Sleeping for <=5 hours per night leads to 39% increase in heart
disease.
Sleeping for <=6 hours per night leads to 18% increase in heart disease.
Ideal Sleep
In brief, sleep is composed of two stages: REM ( Rapid Eye Movement )
and non-REM. The former helps in mental consolidation while the latter
helps in physical repair and rebuilding. During the night, you
alternate between REM and non-REM stages
4-5 times.
The earlier part of sleep is mostly non-REM. During that period, your
pituitary gland releases growth hormones that repair your body. The
latter part of sleep is more and more REM type.
For us to be mentally alert during the day, the latter part of sleep
is more important. No wonder when you wake up with an alarm clock
after 5-6 hours of sleep, you are mentally irritable throughout the
day (lack of REM sleep). And if you have slept for less than
5 hours, your body is in a complete physical mess ( lack of non-REM
sleep ), you are tired throughout the day, moving like a zombie and
your immunity is way down.
Finally, as long-distance runners, you need an hour of extra sleep to
repair the running related damage.
In conclusion:
Barring stress control, Ranjan Das did everything right: eating proper
food, exercising ( marathoning! ), maintaining proper weight. But he
missed getting proper and adequate sleep, minimum 7 hours. In our
opinion, that killed him.
If you are not getting enough sleep ( 7 hours ), you are playing with
fire, even if you have low stress.
Unfortunately, Ranjan Das is not alone when it comes to missing sleep.
Many
of us are doing exactly the same, perhaps out of ignorance.
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Sadly, this is not an uncommon occurence in Mumbai, UAE.
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religion of naps
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Sadly, this is not an uncommon occurence in Mumbai, UAE.
:D
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LOL Bullshit.
There is never only one factor to things like this .
He probably was on amphetamines or cocaine as well to function.
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All drugs ::)
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All indian curry stink.
He probably had a heart attack from his own smell after the gym. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Those Indians smell of shit when they are straight out of the shower, don't even want to know how they smell after a workout.
Hahaha so true, I actually had to change my workout from chest to leg day, after the stench those bastards left on the olympic bench sheesh :-X
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Hahaha so true, I actually had to change my workout from chest to leg day, after the stench those bastards left on the olympic bench sheesh :-X
I had a bunch of three Indians on the train last week, they are in for 2 stations and the whole train car smells like a mixture of a fucking curry factory and a latrine.
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When had stap infection i got put in a cardiac ward ot of 15 people 12 were crazy runners the rest were truckies
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Ranjan Das, CEO and MD of SAP Indian subcontinent died after a massive
cardiac arrest in Mumbai on Wednesday.
One of the youngest CEOs, he was just 42 year old
What killed Ranjan Das and Lessons for Corporate India
A few months ago, many of us heard about the sad demise of Ranjan Das
from Bandra, Mumbai. He was very active in sports, was a fitness freak
and a marathon runner. It was common to see him run on Bandra's Carter
Road . Just after Diwali, on 21st Oct, he returned home from his gym
after a workout, collapse! d with a massive heart attack and died.
It was certainly a wake-up call for corporate India . However, it was
even more disastrous for runners amongst us. Since Ranjan was an avid
marathoner ( in Feb 09, he ran Chennai Marathon at the same time some
of us were running Pondicherry Marathon 180 km away ), the question
came as to why an exceptionally active, athletic person succumb to
heart attack at 42 years of age.
Was it the stress?
While Ranjan had mentioned that he faced a lot of stress, that is a
common element in most of our lives. We used to think that by being
fit, one can conquer the bad effects of stress.
The Real Reason However, everyone missed out a small line in the
reports that Ranjan used to make do with 4-5 hours of sleep. This is
an earlier interview of Ranjan on NDTV in the program. Well-known
cardiologist on the subject of 'Heart Disease caused by Lack of Sleep'
have distilled the key points below in the hope it will save some of
our lives.
Some Excerpts:
1. Short sleep duration ( <5 or 5-6 hours ) increased risk for high BP
by 350% to 500% compared to those who slept longer than 6 hours per night.
2. Young people ( 25-49 years of age ) are twice as likely to get high
BP if they sleep less.
3 Individuals who slept less than 5 hours a night had a 3-fold
increased risk of heart attacks.
4 Complete and partial lack of sleep increased the blood
concentrations of High sensitivity C-Reactive Protein (hs-cRP), the
strongest predictor of heart attacks. Even after getting adequate
sleep later, the levels stayed high!!
5. Just one night of sleep loss increases very toxic substances in
body such as Interleukin-6 (IL! -6), Tumour Necrosis Factor-Alpha
(TNF-alpha) and C-reactive protein (cRP).
They increase risks of many medical conditions, including cancer,
arthritis and heart disease.
6. Sleeping for <=5 hours per night leads to 39% increase in heart
disease.
Sleeping for <=6 hours per night leads to 18% increase in heart disease.
Ideal Sleep
In brief, sleep is composed of two stages: REM ( Rapid Eye Movement )
and non-REM. The former helps in mental consolidation while the latter
helps in physical repair and rebuilding. During the night, you
alternate between REM and non-REM stages
4-5 times.
The earlier part of sleep is mostly non-REM. During that period, your
pituitary gland releases growth hormones that repair your body. The
latter part of sleep is more and more REM type.
For us to be mentally alert during the day, the latter part of sleep
is more important. No wonder when you wake up with an alarm clock
after 5-6 hours of sleep, you are mentally irritable throughout the
day (lack of REM sleep). And if you have slept for less than
5 hours, your body is in a complete physical mess ( lack of non-REM
sleep ), you are tired throughout the day, moving like a zombie and
your immunity is way down.
Finally, as long-distance runners, you need an hour of extra sleep to
repair the running related damage.
In conclusion:
Barring stress control, Ranjan Das did everything right: eating proper
food, exercising ( marathoning! ), maintaining proper weight. But he
missed getting proper and adequate sleep, minimum 7 hours. In our
opinion, that killed him.
If you are not getting enough sleep ( 7 hours ), you are playing with
fire, even if you have low stress.
Unfortunately, Ranjan Das is not alone when it comes to missing sleep.
Many
of us are doing exactly the same, perhaps out of ignorance.
Here is is on video acknowledging that he doesn't get enough sleep....sad situation but I don't think sleep was the cause of his heart attack but more than likely hereditary or he had an undetected condition.
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sleeping pattern of peace
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sleeping pattern of eternal peace
fixed.
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This is a big issue ignored. i live my life with 4-5 hours sleep a night, i work 60 hours a week and straight after work cycle for hours. my blood pressure is normally 137/78 abduction resting heart rate 55 bpm. Last month i had a mini seizure after a long day and heart rate resting was 89 bpm and blood pressure 168/80. i kept having these for 3 weeks. i was told i need to rest more. 8-10 hours sleep now and my figures aare back normal again
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Poor guy died for those bitches
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It's not amazingly uncommon for obsessive runners in their 40s -seemingly ultra-fit - to have heart attacks.
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It's not amazingly uncommon for obsessive runners in their 40s -seemingly ultra-fit - to have heart attacks.
I bet a lot of those 'guys' eat as much colesterol as they want because 'all the running melts it out of their arteries' ::)
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It's not amazingly uncommon for obsessive runners in their 40s -seemingly ultra-fit - to have heart attacks.
Really?
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Fuck him. I'm so fucking sick of how Indian people have infiltrated the American industries. They are awful buesiness leaders. Just greedy racist asshole stinking fuckers.
Actually, its greedy CEOs and board members sending jobs over there because it's cheaper. if you want to be mad at someone, be mad a greedy fat cats.
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Really?
http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=4082&PageNum=1
www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/heart-attack-risks-are-greater-for-athletes-who-compete-in-endurance-sports-263
http://www.active.com/running/Articles/New_study_cites_link_between_marathon_running_and_some_heart-attack_factors.htm
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064027/Two-Philadelphia-marathon-runners-die-apparent-heart-attacks-collapsing-race.html
This is if you massively overdo it , mind. Also, as bigcyp points out, you can exercise a lot yet still have arteriosclerosis etc.. and/or congenital defects (although the congenital defects tend to surface sooner)
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i'm going to bed
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i'm going to bed
Hahah, yeah I slept 4 hours extra after reading this shit.
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I just had an argument with a co worker about sleep. I honestly average about 10 hrs of sleep a day. He says I'm lazy because he only needs 4 or 5 hrs a night. I go ya because you have a starbucks cup in your hand all day jackass.
I love people that say they dont need sleep but have 5 cups of coffee and 2 pepsi's to get through the day. Get off the stimulants and lets see how much sleep you really need.
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Running will fucking kill you.
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Running will fucking kill you.
This.
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Really?
Yup, endurance running is more masochistic then lifting heavy ass weights.
http://arthurdevany.pro.subhub.com/articles/20091028
My favorite finding.
5. Marathon running damages your brain. The damage resembles acute brain trauma. Marathon runners have elevated S100beta, a marker of brain damage and blood brain barrier disfunction. There is S100beta again, a marker of cancer and of brain damage.
From Marchi, et al Restor Neurol Neurosci, 2003; 21 (3-4): 109-21, “S100beta in serum is an early marker of BBB openings that may precede neuronal damage and may influence therapeutic strategies. Secondary, massive elevations in S100beta are indicators of prior brain damage and bear clinical significance as predictors of poor outcome or diagnostic means to differentiate extensive damage from minor, transient impairment.”
And yet weightlifters are usually stereotyped as stupid meatheads.
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But running...running is so natural to us. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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He must have worked out really hard.
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Yup, endurance running is more masochistic then lifting heavy ass weights.
http://arthurdevany.pro.subhub.com/articles/20091028
My favorite finding.
And yet weightlifters are usually stereotyped as stupid meatheads.
good find.
heart problems too are way more often in endurance sports than in BB
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i'm going to bed
lol
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Shit. I own sleep 6-7 hours a night most days Because of work. I try to recharged on the weekends tho.
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Must have been a weider athlete.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783
The myth of the eight-hour sleep
We often worry about lying awake in the middle of the night - but it could be good for you. A growing body of evidence from both science and history suggests that the eight-hour sleep may be unnatural.
In the early 1990s, psychiatrist Thomas Wehr conducted an experiment in which a group of people were plunged into darkness for 14 hours every day for a month.
It took some time for their sleep to regulate but by the fourth week the subjects had settled into a very distinct sleeping pattern. They slept first for four hours, then woke for one or two hours before falling into a second four-hour sleep.
Though sleep scientists were impressed by the study, among the general public the idea that we must sleep for eight consecutive hours persists.
In 2001, historian Roger Ekirch of Virginia Tech published a seminal paper, drawn from 16 years of research, revealing a wealth of historical evidence that humans used to sleep in two distinct chunks.
His book At Day's Close: Night in Times Past, published four years later, unearths more than 500 references to a segmented sleeping pattern - in diaries, court records, medical books and literature, from Homer's Odyssey to an anthropological account of modern tribes in Nigeria.
Much like the experience of Wehr's subjects, these references describe a first sleep which began about two hours after dusk, followed by waking period of one or two hours and then a second sleep.
"It's not just the number of references - it is the way they refer to it, as if it was common knowledge," Ekirch says.
During this waking period people were quite active. They often got up, went to the toilet or smoked tobacco and some even visited neighbours. Most people stayed in bed, read, wrote and often prayed. Countless prayer manuals from the late 15th Century offered special prayers for the hours in between sleeps.
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When segmented sleep was the norm
"He knew this, even in the horror with which he started from his first sleep, and threw up the window to dispel it by the presence of some object, beyond the room, which had not been, as it were, the witness of his dream." Charles Dickens, Barnaby Rudge (1840)
"Don Quixote followed nature, and being satisfied with his first sleep, did not solicit more. As for Sancho, he never wanted a second, for the first lasted him from night to morning." Miguel Cervantes, Don Quixote (1615)
"And at the wakening of your first sleepe You shall have a hott drinke made, And at the wakening of your next sleepe Your sorrowes will have a slake." Early English ballad, Old Robin of Portingale
The Tiv tribe in Nigeria employ the terms "first sleep" and "second sleep" to refer to specific periods of the night
Source: Roger Ekirch
Roger Ekirch's website
Find your personal sleep profile
Learn more about sleep deprivation
And these hours weren't entirely solitary - people often chatted to bed-fellows or had sex.
A doctor's manual from 16th Century France even advised couples that the best time to conceive was not at the end of a long day's labour but "after the first sleep", when "they have more enjoyment" and "do it better".
Ekirch found that references to the first and second sleep started to disappear during the late 17th Century. This started among the urban upper classes in northern Europe and over the course of the next 200 years filtered down to the rest of Western society.
By the 1920s the idea of a first and second sleep had receded entirely from our social consciousness.
He attributes the initial shift to improvements in street lighting, domestic lighting and a surge in coffee houses - which were sometimes open all night. As the night became a place for legitimate activity and as that activity increased, the length of time people could dedicate to rest dwindled.
In his new book, Evening's Empire, historian Craig Koslofsky puts forward an account of how this happened.
"Associations with night before the 17th Century were not good," he says. The night was a place populated by people of disrepute - criminals, prostitutes and drunks.
"Even the wealthy, who could afford candlelight, had better things to spend their money on. There was no prestige or social value associated with staying up all night."
Roger Ekirch says this 1595 engraving by Jan Saenredam is evidence of activity at night
That changed in the wake of the Reformation and the counter-Reformation. Protestants and Catholics became accustomed to holding secret services at night, during periods of persecution. If earlier the night had belonged to reprobates, now respectable people became accustomed to exploiting the hours of darkness.
This trend migrated to the social sphere too, but only for those who could afford to live by candlelight. With the advent of street lighting, however, socialising at night began to filter down through the classes.
In 1667, Paris became the first city in the world to light its streets, using wax candles in glass lamps. It was followed by Lille in the same year and Amsterdam two years later, where a much more efficient oil-powered lamp was developed.
London didn't join their ranks until 1684 but by the end of the century, more than 50 of Europe's major towns and cities were lit at night.
Night became fashionable and spending hours lying in bed was considered a waste of time.
"People were becoming increasingly time-conscious and sensitive to efficiency, certainly before the 19th Century," says Roger Ekirch. "But the industrial revolution intensified that attitude by leaps and bounds."
Strong evidence of this shifting attitude is contained in a medical journal from 1829 which urged parents to force their children out of a pattern of first and second sleep.
A small city like Leipzig in central Germany employed 100 men to tend to 700 lamps
"If no disease or accident there intervene, they will need no further repose than that obtained in their first sleep, which custom will have caused to terminate by itself just at the usual hour.
"And then, if they turn upon their ear to take a second nap, they will be taught to look upon it as an intemperance not at all redounding to their credit."
Today, most people seem to have adapted quite well to the eight-hour sleep, but Ekirch believes many sleeping problems may have roots in the human body's natural preference for segmented sleep as well as the ubiquity of artificial light.
This could be the root of a condition called sleep maintenance insomnia, where people wake during the night and have trouble getting back to sleep, he suggests.
The condition first appears in literature at the end of the 19th Century, at the same time as accounts of segmented sleep disappear.
"For most of evolution we slept a certain way," says sleep psychologist Gregg Jacobs. "Waking up during the night is part of normal human physiology."
The idea that we must sleep in a consolidated block could be damaging, he says, if it makes people who wake up at night anxious, as this anxiety can itself prohibit sleeps and is likely to seep into waking life too.
Continue reading the main story
Stages of sleep
Every 60-100 minutes we go through a cycle of four stages of sleep
Stage 1 is a drowsy, relaxed state between being awake and sleeping - breathing slows, muscles relax, heart rate drops
Stage 2 is slightly deeper sleep - you may feel awake and this means that, on many nights, you may be asleep and not know it
Stage 3 and Stage 4, or Deep Sleep - it is very hard to wake up from Deep Sleep because this is when there is the lowest amount of activity in your body
After Deep Sleep, we go back to Stage 2 for a few minutes, and then enter Dream Sleep - also called REM (rapid eye movement) sleep - which, as its name suggests, is when you dream
In a full sleep cycle, a person goes through all the stages of sleep from one to four, then back down through stages three and two, before entering dream sleep
Source: Gregg Jacobs
Gregg Jacobs' site - CBT for Insomnia
Find out more about the science behind sleep
Russell Foster, a professor of circadian [body clock] neuroscience at Oxford, shares this point of view.
"Many people wake up at night and panic," he says. "I tell them that what they are experiencing is a throwback to the bi-modal sleep pattern."
But the majority of doctors still fail to acknowledge that a consolidated eight-hour sleep may be unnatural.
"Over 30% of the medical problems that doctors are faced with stem directly or indirectly from sleep. But sleep has been ignored in medical training and there are very few centres where sleep is studied," he says.
Jacobs suggests that the waking period between sleeps, when people were forced into periods of rest and relaxation, could have played an important part in the human capacity to regulate stress naturally.
In many historic accounts, Ekirch found that people used the time to meditate on their dreams.
"Today we spend less time doing those things," says Dr Jacobs. "It's not a coincidence that, in modern life, the number of people who report anxiety, stress, depression, alcoholism and drug abuse has gone up."
So the next time you wake up in the middle of the night, think of your pre-industrial ancestors and relax. Lying awake could be good for you.
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Hahah, yeah I slept 4 hours extra after reading this shit.
of course, i woke up at 4am... got an early start on the elliptical... I'll take a big fucking nap later though