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Title: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 10:26:23 AM
Go pimp these kigs on the board where kami sources on! this is not a open source board and kami owes alot of people here! all they should do is email for their reshipment. they did not order thaitropin or bluetops they ordered kigtropin so if he has it he should ship it to them! all he shipped them was trash.don't do this again!

The above was a recent PM I received from White Widow, a MODERATOR on this board.

I have quite a few things to say here, but I am truly disgusted by the fact that a moderator feels it appropriate to speak to board members this way.  I have never been anything but respectful to mods and members of this board.  I have offered my honest opinions that come from first hand experience.  I am not "pimping" product out for anyone.  I am not responsible for any other individuals lost money, who they order from, or what products they choose to take (if any).

I will go on record here and formally apologize for mentioning the name of a source which we can all agree is a no-no, but the Kigtropin thing is obviously a hot button issue and I feel as an upstanding member of this board to report on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with the products that I use.  I'm not endorsing anyone and I have made very clear that people need to take accountability for their own actions.  You mention the board that Kami sources on?  I couldn't even tell you what that board is.  I'll put myself on complete blast here: I am a member of GetBig and Anabolic Board.  I have logged onto AB about 5-10 times total and I did solely so I could communicate with DL (a source over there who once I got in touch with via email, I never went back on and limited my communication to that).  I am a proud active member of GETBIG.  IMO, the BEST bodybuilding forum on the internet.  I post honestly.  I respond respectfully to PM's from other members and mods (including you WhiteWidow or are you so quick to forget our several honest exchanges about my experiences with Euroman!), which I have gotten several of.  Actually, I am going to request any member of this board to come forward now and tell me if I have ever disrespected them or ignored a PM or not offered my honest opinion on a thread when asked for it!

Pimping product?  Excuse me.  I dont need to.  I work full time and make enough money to buy gh from Kami or any other supplier that I choose!  I have never pushed 1 supplier on this board!  I have often referred to my useage with the strange guy, the name who shouldn't be mentioned, euro, dl, and others (I apologize again for mentioning sources, but for WW to come at me this way is a joke!!).  Actually, I work in the supplement industry and my company sells product to Ron Avidan who owns DNA.  As I sit at my work computer now, oh look... here's Ron's phone #: xx8-x4x-x5xx.  I met him last year in person.  I am heavily debating calling him to discuss how his Mods feel it is appropriate to speak this way to members and make assumptions about people they in no way personally know anything about.

Here would be an example of an appropriate PM to a member from a Mod:

BiGHer:

While we appreciate you being an active member of this board, please understand that this is not an open source board and we feel it inappropriate to mention sources names.  Please take this as a warning, but next time we will have to place your account on time out.

Respectfully,
WhiteWidow
Getbig Moderator - Steroids Info and Hardcore


Let me be clear: I felt that the Kigtropin issue was a hot button and seeing as I think people respect my opinion on this board, I thought it only be right that I report my honest assessment of a product that I used.  I said that Kami had quality gh because he sent me gh and it was good.  He also provided me with the information of serum tests he conducted and pointed me in the direction of other boards that were having members conduct serum tests if I wanted to look at their results.  I tried the kits he sent me and they were GREAT.  I figured I would at least inform the members of GetBig.  I thought I made it very clear to the members that they should make a decision about who they buy from carefully and NOT BUY from Kami if they didn't feel comfortable doing so.  I also lost money on thos kigs.  I also got sent Taitropin.  I will also now choose to get gh from Kami as long as the quality stays consistant.  I am entitled to my own choise to do so and if I were to lose money then that's my loss and not a concern for anyone else.

I communicate via email with Kami and I have made very clear to him that I think consistancy is extremely important and that all bodybuilders get the same high quality product that I recently received.  Email Kami yourself and ask him.  I've pulled no punches in my conversations with him and he respects that!

So let me be clear to everyone... buy from Kami or don't buy from Kami.  I care that all bodybuilders get quality product and consistantly.  Where you choose to buy it from is on you!! Not me!!  

I am stepping away from GetBig for a while.  Members, feel free to PM me as I greatly care about this board, but I will no longer share my personal experiences or reports on products or posting of progress photos or provide my honest opinions on pretty much anything on an open thread until WW apologizes for addressing me the way he did.  It's inappropriate and not right for a mod to address a member this way and make accusations against someone he doesn't know.  This is why I also tried to become a Mod on the steroid section.  I value this place and it's members.

BTW:

I PMed Ron about a Mod position a few months back and this is what he told me was important of being a mod:

Need to be fair and impartial (not easy). Need to find a board that isnt moderated enough, and ask.

Ron


FAIR AND IMPARTIAL!  Members, if I'm being crazy, please let me know, but you tell me if you think this moderator addressed me fair and impartially!


I have made it a point and take pride in the fact that I tend to avoid all the BS and drama that takes place in this little internet board world, but I will not be accused of things that aren't true or be told to "go pimp these kigs" elsewhere.  I don't make accusations about any other members on this board and I treat people here with respect... yeah, I joke around and poke fun like we all do from time to time here on the thunderdome, but in the end, I'm not going to be talked down to like some child by a board mod who feels he can make assumptions about me and make me out to have alterior motives.


Sincerely,

BiGHer

PS. When I do come back and resume posting, I will not mention another source.  I will mention products and if I'm taking Kigtropin then I'm gonna tell you all that I'm taking Kigtropin whether you like it or not!!!
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 04, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
ease up man. WW is a cool cat.  he's just trying to limit sourcing on this board.  Ron has made it clear he doesn't want sources being pushed.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
ease up man. WW is a cool cat.  he's just trying to limit sourcing on this board.  Ron has made it clear he doesn't want sources being pushed.

Agreed, but there is right and wrong way to go about things.  How this was handled was not correct.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 04, 2012, 11:37:48 AM
Too much to read.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on April 04, 2012, 12:36:47 PM
The above was a recent PM I received from White Widow, a MODERATOR on this board.

I have quite a few things to say here, but I am truly disgusted by the fact that a moderator feels it appropriate to speak to board members this way.  I have never been anything but respectful to mods and members of this board.  I have offered my honest opinions that come from first hand experience.  I am not "pimping" product out for anyone.  I am not responsible for any other individuals lost money, who they order from, or what products they choose to take (if any).

I will go on record here and formally apologize for mentioning the name of a source which we can all agree is a no-no, but the Kigtropin thing is obviously a hot button issue and I feel as an upstanding member of this board to report on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with the products that I use.  I'm not endorsing anyone and I have made very clear that people need to take accountability for their own actions.  You mention the board that Kami sources on?  I couldn't even tell you what that board is.  I'll put myself on complete blast here: I am a member of GetBig and Anabolic Board.  I have logged onto AB about 5-10 times total and I did solely so I could communicate with DL (a source over there who once I got in touch with via email, I never went back on and limited my communication to that).  I am a proud active member of GETBIG.  IMO, the BEST bodybuilding forum on the internet.  I post honestly.  I respond respectfully to PM's from other members and mods (including you WhiteWidow or are you so quick to forget our several honest exchanges about my experiences with Euroman!), which I have gotten several of.  Actually, I am going to request any member of this board to come forward now and tell me if I have ever disrespected them or ignored a PM or not offered my honest opinion on a thread when asked for it!

Pimping product?  Excuse me.  I dont need to.  I work full time and make enough money to buy gh from Kami or any other supplier that I choose!  I have never pushed 1 supplier on this board!  I have often referred to my useage with the strange guy, the name who shouldn't be mentioned, euro, dl, and others (I apologize again for mentioning sources, but for WW to come at me this way is a joke!!).  Actually, I work in the supplement industry and my company sells product to Ron Avidan who owns DNA.  As I sit at my work computer now, oh look... here's Ron's phone #: xx8-x4x-x5xx.  I met him last year in person.  I am heavily debating calling him to discuss how his Mods feel it is appropriate to speak this way to members and make assumptions about people they in no way personally know anything about.

Here would be an example of an appropriate PM to a member from a Mod:

BiGHer:

While we appreciate you being an active member of this board, please understand that this is not an open source board and we feel it inappropriate to mention sources names.  Please take this as a warning, but next time we will have to place your account on time out.

Respectfully,
WhiteWidow
Getbig Moderator - Steroids Info and Hardcore


Let me be clear: I felt that the Kigtropin issue was a hot button and seeing as I think people respect my opinion on this board, I thought it only be right that I report my honest assessment of a product that I used.  I said that Kami had quality gh because he sent me gh and it was good.  He also provided me with the information of serum tests he conducted and pointed me in the direction of other boards that were having members conduct serum tests if I wanted to look at their results.  I tried the kits he sent me and they were GREAT.  I figured I would at least inform the members of GetBig.  I thought I made it very clear to the members that they should make a decision about who they buy from carefully and NOT BUY from Kami if they didn't feel comfortable doing so.  I also lost money on thos kigs.  I also got sent Taitropin.  I will also now choose to get gh from Kami as long as the quality stays consistant.  I am entitled to my own choise to do so and if I were to lose money then that's my loss and not a concern for anyone else.

I communicate via email with Kami and I have made very clear to him that I think consistancy is extremely important and that all bodybuilders get the same high quality product that I recently received.  Email Kami yourself and ask him.  I've pulled no punches in my conversations with him and he respects that!

So let me be clear to everyone... buy from Kami or don't buy from Kami.  I care that all bodybuilders get quality product and consistantly.  Where you choose to buy it from is on you!! Not me!!  

I am stepping away from GetBig for a while.  Members, feel free to PM me as I greatly care about this board, but I will no longer share my personal experiences or reports on products or posting of progress photos or provide my honest opinions on pretty much anything on an open thread until WW apologizes for addressing me the way he did.  It's inappropriate and not right for a mod to address a member this way and make accusations against someone he doesn't know.  This is why I also tried to become a Mod on the steroid section.  I value this place and it's members.

BTW:

I PMed Ron about a Mod position a few months back and this is what he told me was important of being a mod:

FAIR AND IMPARTIAL!  Members, if I'm being crazy, please let me know, but you tell me if you think this moderator addressed me fair and impartially!


I have made it a point and take pride in the fact that I tend to avoid all the BS and drama that takes place in this little internet board world, but I will not be accused of things that aren't true or be told to "go pimp these kigs" elsewhere.  I don't make accusations about any other members on this board and I treat people here with respect... yeah, I joke around and poke fun like we all do from time to time here on the thunderdome, but in the end, I'm not going to be talked down to like some child by a board mod who feels he can make assumptions about me and make me out to have alterior motives.


Sincerely,

BiGHer

PS. When I do come back and resume posting, I will not mention another source.  I will mention products and if I'm taking Kigtropin then I'm gonna tell you all that I'm taking Kigtropin whether you like it or not!!!

BiGHer ( lol for some reason i read your name as a bisexual GH user )but anyways

1) its not cool to post PMs. Under no circumstances. Since you are so literal, PM = PRIVATE message... private between the 2 parties, unless others were CCed.

2) WW seems to be ok ( although i dont like his constant mention and something thinking its cool to be on xanax and suggesting xanax to anyone who mentions hard time fallin sleep). But you have to understand... your a big guy, remember the first time someone came and asked you how you got so big ? you probably gave a thorough answer.... remember the 500th time someone asked you that same thing? you probably told him to fuck off and leave you alone.... you gotta realize that these mods deal with source mentioning all day, so the last person they expect it is for standup guys like you . im not saying he spoke to you properly, im saying i understand his frustration, specially with a source who has fucked over alot of folks

3) you also have to be smart and listen what he MEANT TO SAY ... obviously your smart enough to understand what he meant, because you rephrased it very politely. So ne need for a thread and POST PMs and whatnot. Just send him a message and say " hey bro, sorry i source mentioned, but also, thats no way to talk to a longtime member here."

 4) and for you to get upset over this and leave the board??? well thats a girly move IMO...

5) no source posting period. your upset about how your slap on the wrist was? not cool bro, not manly to complain because you got your feelings hurt.  WW said that to you in PM in anger, if he had accused you of pushing bunk on the open forum, that a diff story... you posting his PM reminds me of the Booty vs James Robinson thread
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Tiny Coq on April 04, 2012, 12:43:58 PM
OMFG!!! put your tampon back in mate.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 12:52:32 PM
BiGHer ( lol for some reason i read your name as a bisexual GH user )but anyways

1) its not cool to post PMs. Under no circumstances. Since you are so literal, PM = PRIVATE message... private between the 2 parties, unless others were CCed.

2) WW seems to be ok ( although i dont like his constant mention and something thinking its cool to be on xanax and suggesting xanax to anyone who mentions hard time fallin sleep). But you have to understand... your a big guy, remember the first time someone came and asked you how you got so big ? you probably gave a thorough answer.... remember the 500th time someone asked you that same thing? you probably told him to fuck off and leave you alone.... you gotta realize that these mods deal with source mentioning all day, so the last person they expect it is for standup guys like you . im not saying he spoke to you properly, im saying i understand his frustration, specially with a source who has fucked over alot of folks

3) you also have to be smart and listen what he MEANT TO SAY ... obviously your smart enough to understand what he meant, because you rephrased it very politely. So ne need for a thread and POST PMs and whatnot. Just send him a message and say " hey bro, sorry i source mentioned, but also, thats no way to talk to a longtime member here."

 4) and for you to get upset over this and leave the board??? well thats a girly move IMO...

Marlo,

Thanks for the response - It's Big GH User, just an FYI.

1) I agree to an extent.  If I was respectfully PMed, I would have handled this in a respectful manner.  However once respect got tossed out the window, no reason to be respectful of the message being Private anymore IMO.

2) Your second point is somewhat valid, but how about confronting someone and talking to them like an adult before locking a thread and sending PM's with the subject reading "Not Here Buddy!"

3)  I think you're being a little forgiving.  Yes he meant to say "don't discuss sources here," but telling me that I'm pimping out products... I don't really take that as a typo.

4) I'm not going anywhere... I love getbig.  I'm just not going to take as active of a role.  I think I have some pretty decent info to share and some decent experience to talk about, but obviously sharing such things honestly gets frowned upon around here.

Again, I hear what your saying, but I still think my points are very valid.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 01:03:37 PM
OMFG!!! put your tampon back in mate.

No can do bro, sorry.  I'm a maxi pads kinda guy ;)
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: goomba420 on April 04, 2012, 03:06:54 PM
stop being a bitch

members of this board have lost THOUSANDS! because your daddy gh15 pimped kigs the same way you are. WW is hasn't done anything wrong , you're just offended that he messaged you in a non professional manner? get a grip! this is a steroid board not a doctors office
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: tbombz on April 04, 2012, 03:09:06 PM
The above was a recent PM I received from White Widow, a MODERATOR on this board.

I have quite a few things to say here, but I am truly disgusted by the fact that a moderator feels it appropriate to speak to board members this way.  I have never been anything but respectful to mods and members of this board.  I have offered my honest opinions that come from first hand experience.  I am not "pimping" product out for anyone.  I am not responsible for any other individuals lost money, who they order from, or what products they choose to take (if any).

I will go on record here and formally apologize for mentioning the name of a source which we can all agree is a no-no, but the Kigtropin thing is obviously a hot button issue and I feel as an upstanding member of this board to report on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with the products that I use.  I'm not endorsing anyone and I have made very clear that people need to take accountability for their own actions.  You mention the board that Kami sources on?  I couldn't even tell you what that board is.  I'll put myself on complete blast here: I am a member of GetBig and Anabolic Board.  I have logged onto AB about 5-10 times total and I did solely so I could communicate with DL (a source over there who once I got in touch with via email, I never went back on and limited my communication to that).  I am a proud active member of GETBIG.  IMO, the BEST bodybuilding forum on the internet.  I post honestly.  I respond respectfully to PM's from other members and mods (including you WhiteWidow or are you so quick to forget our several honest exchanges about my experiences with Euroman!), which I have gotten several of.  Actually, I am going to request any member of this board to come forward now and tell me if I have ever disrespected them or ignored a PM or not offered my honest opinion on a thread when asked for it!

Pimping product?  Excuse me.  I dont need to.  I work full time and make enough money to buy gh from Kami or any other supplier that I choose!  I have never pushed 1 supplier on this board!  I have often referred to my useage with the strange guy, the name who shouldn't be mentioned, euro, dl, and others (I apologize again for mentioning sources, but for WW to come at me this way is a joke!!).  Actually, I work in the supplement industry and my company sells product to Ron Avidan who owns DNA.  As I sit at my work computer now, oh look... here's Ron's phone #: xx8-x4x-x5xx.  I met him last year in person.  I am heavily debating calling him to discuss how his Mods feel it is appropriate to speak this way to members and make assumptions about people they in no way personally know anything about.

Here would be an example of an appropriate PM to a member from a Mod:

BiGHer:

While we appreciate you being an active member of this board, please understand that this is not an open source board and we feel it inappropriate to mention sources names.  Please take this as a warning, but next time we will have to place your account on time out.

Respectfully,
WhiteWidow
Getbig Moderator - Steroids Info and Hardcore


Let me be clear: I felt that the Kigtropin issue was a hot button and seeing as I think people respect my opinion on this board, I thought it only be right that I report my honest assessment of a product that I used.  I said that Kami had quality gh because he sent me gh and it was good.  He also provided me with the information of serum tests he conducted and pointed me in the direction of other boards that were having members conduct serum tests if I wanted to look at their results.  I tried the kits he sent me and they were GREAT.  I figured I would at least inform the members of GetBig.  I thought I made it very clear to the members that they should make a decision about who they buy from carefully and NOT BUY from Kami if they didn't feel comfortable doing so.  I also lost money on thos kigs.  I also got sent Taitropin.  I will also now choose to get gh from Kami as long as the quality stays consistant.  I am entitled to my own choise to do so and if I were to lose money then that's my loss and not a concern for anyone else.

I communicate via email with Kami and I have made very clear to him that I think consistancy is extremely important and that all bodybuilders get the same high quality product that I recently received.  Email Kami yourself and ask him.  I've pulled no punches in my conversations with him and he respects that!

So let me be clear to everyone... buy from Kami or don't buy from Kami.  I care that all bodybuilders get quality product and consistantly.  Where you choose to buy it from is on you!! Not me!!  

I am stepping away from GetBig for a while.  Members, feel free to PM me as I greatly care about this board, but I will no longer share my personal experiences or reports on products or posting of progress photos or provide my honest opinions on pretty much anything on an open thread until WW apologizes for addressing me the way he did.  It's inappropriate and not right for a mod to address a member this way and make accusations against someone he doesn't know.  This is why I also tried to become a Mod on the steroid section.  I value this place and it's members.

BTW:

I PMed Ron about a Mod position a few months back and this is what he told me was important of being a mod:

FAIR AND IMPARTIAL!  Members, if I'm being crazy, please let me know, but you tell me if you think this moderator addressed me fair and impartially!


I have made it a point and take pride in the fact that I tend to avoid all the BS and drama that takes place in this little internet board world, but I will not be accused of things that aren't true or be told to "go pimp these kigs" elsewhere.  I don't make accusations about any other members on this board and I treat people here with respect... yeah, I joke around and poke fun like we all do from time to time here on the thunderdome, but in the end, I'm not going to be talked down to like some child by a board mod who feels he can make assumptions about me and make me out to have alterior motives.


Sincerely,

BiGHer

PS. When I do come back and resume posting, I will not mention another source.  I will mention products and if I'm taking Kigtropin then I'm gonna tell you all that I'm taking Kigtropin whether you like it or not!!!

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Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: phil mcgroin on April 04, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
bigher ,i think ww is in the right.i think we all agree no sourcing. you should also understand a man with your build is going to be listend to. if you mention something everyone is going to try it,your words hold alot of weight.with your build comes a different code of conduct,you have to be more carefull what you say then others.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Overload on April 04, 2012, 06:56:09 PM
You are more than welcome to post your opinions brother.

I must admit I think this is a bit overboard.

Calling Ron?

Come on now.

I will let WW speak on this, i have no problem with you, but I think this is uncalled for and a waste of time. You guys can go after him from every angle and he's still going to be a mod here.

Take care.


8)
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Growth NOOB on April 04, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
You are being unreasonable.  WW didn't even come across rude to you.  You blatantly broke the rules and the worst he said was "don't do this again." 

I mean really bro, how could you be that upset over that PM?  You're a good dude and give some good info, but you are definitely over reacting here.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
It's not just the manner I was approached in here, it's accusations being made toward me with no grounds.  WW and I have discussed through PM's sources in the past... he could have hit me up and asked my reasoning for mentioning a source instead of accusing me of "pimping product."

I apologized in my OP for mentioning a sources name, I acknowledged that it's a "no-no."  That's why I was also clear in saying that I won't be discussing certain things anymore. 
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 04, 2012, 08:19:14 PM
You are more than welcome to post your opinions brother.

I must admit I think this is a bit overboard.

Calling Ron?

Come on now.

I will let WW speak on this, i have no problem with you, but I think this is uncalled for and a waste of time. You guys can go after him from every angle and he's still going to be a mod here.

Take care.


8)

Why is WW immune to criticism? Who's agenda is he carrying out that lets him do such a terrible job as mod?

This is why Getbig is dying. Most mods are inactive and many who are left are SKETCHY as hell. And this is why gh15s board will be the pinnacle, because people like BiGher will be mods. People who care about the sport and contribute in huge ways.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 04, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
C'mon you mentioned the source in your title! posting sources names is a not right and you mentioned ike 3 times Kami had new kigs! why would you do that? you obviously have a agenda. Kami owes this board thousands of dollars! He is a shitty soource who scammed alot of people! Even GH15 called him a scammer and not to order from him! if you just took a picture and didn't mention any sources or mention Kami had new pharm grade kits that would of been fine! or you could of PM'ed people. I approached this like I did because you knew what you did was wrong! don't act like you didn't! Dont act like you are not getting anything for free or a offer from kami to get something for free for posting that.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: qbkilla on April 04, 2012, 08:39:00 PM
The above was a recent PM I received from White Widow, a MODERATOR on this board.

I have quite a few things to say here, but I am truly disgusted by the fact that a moderator feels it appropriate to speak to board members this way.  I have never been anything but respectful to mods and members of this board.  I have offered my honest opinions that come from first hand experience.  I am not "pimping" product out for anyone.  I am not responsible for any other individuals lost money, who they order from, or what products they choose to take (if any).

I will go on record here and formally apologize for mentioning the name of a source which we can all agree is a no-no, but the Kigtropin thing is obviously a hot button issue and I feel as an upstanding member of this board to report on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with the products that I use.  I'm not endorsing anyone and I have made very clear that people need to take accountability for their own actions.  You mention the board that Kami sources on?  I couldn't even tell you what that board is.  I'll put myself on complete blast here: I am a member of GetBig and Anabolic Board.  I have logged onto AB about 5-10 times total and I did solely so I could communicate with DL (a source over there who once I got in touch with via email, I never went back on and limited my communication to that).  I am a proud active member of GETBIG.  IMO, the BEST bodybuilding forum on the internet.  I post honestly.  I respond respectfully to PM's from other members and mods (including you WhiteWidow or are you so quick to forget our several honest exchanges about my experiences with Euroman!), which I have gotten several of.  Actually, I am going to request any member of this board to come forward now and tell me if I have ever disrespected them or ignored a PM or not offered my honest opinion on a thread when asked for it!

Pimping product?  Excuse me.  I dont need to.  I work full time and make enough money to buy gh from Kami or any other supplier that I choose!  I have never pushed 1 supplier on this board!  I have often referred to my useage with the strange guy, the name who shouldn't be mentioned, euro, dl, and others (I apologize again for mentioning sources, but for WW to come at me this way is a joke!!).  Actually, I work in the supplement industry and my company sells product to Ron Avidan who owns DNA.  As I sit at my work computer now, oh look... here's Ron's phone #: xx8-x4x-x5xx.  I met him last year in person.  I am heavily debating calling him to discuss how his Mods feel it is appropriate to speak this way to members and make assumptions about people they in no way personally know anything about.

Here would be an example of an appropriate PM to a member from a Mod:

BiGHer:

While we appreciate you being an active member of this board, please understand that this is not an open source board and we feel it inappropriate to mention sources names.  Please take this as a warning, but next time we will have to place your account on time out.

Respectfully,
WhiteWidow
Getbig Moderator - Steroids Info and Hardcore


Let me be clear: I felt that the Kigtropin issue was a hot button and seeing as I think people respect my opinion on this board, I thought it only be right that I report my honest assessment of a product that I used.  I said that Kami had quality gh because he sent me gh and it was good.  He also provided me with the information of serum tests he conducted and pointed me in the direction of other boards that were having members conduct serum tests if I wanted to look at their results.  I tried the kits he sent me and they were GREAT.  I figured I would at least inform the members of GetBig.  I thought I made it very clear to the members that they should make a decision about who they buy from carefully and NOT BUY from Kami if they didn't feel comfortable doing so.  I also lost money on thos kigs.  I also got sent Taitropin.  I will also now choose to get gh from Kami as long as the quality stays consistant.  I am entitled to my own choise to do so and if I were to lose money then that's my loss and not a concern for anyone else.

I communicate via email with Kami and I have made very clear to him that I think consistancy is extremely important and that all bodybuilders get the same high quality product that I recently received.  Email Kami yourself and ask him.  I've pulled no punches in my conversations with him and he respects that!

So let me be clear to everyone... buy from Kami or don't buy from Kami.  I care that all bodybuilders get quality product and consistantly.  Where you choose to buy it from is on you!! Not me!!  

I am stepping away from GetBig for a while.  Members, feel free to PM me as I greatly care about this board, but I will no longer share my personal experiences or reports on products or posting of progress photos or provide my honest opinions on pretty much anything on an open thread until WW apologizes for addressing me the way he did.  It's inappropriate and not right for a mod to address a member this way and make accusations against someone he doesn't know.  This is why I also tried to become a Mod on the steroid section.  I value this place and it's members.

BTW:

I PMed Ron about a Mod position a few months back and this is what he told me was important of being a mod:

FAIR AND IMPARTIAL!  Members, if I'm being crazy, please let me know, but you tell me if you think this moderator addressed me fair and impartially!


I have made it a point and take pride in the fact that I tend to avoid all the BS and drama that takes place in this little internet board world, but I will not be accused of things that aren't true or be told to "go pimp these kigs" elsewhere.  I don't make accusations about any other members on this board and I treat people here with respect... yeah, I joke around and poke fun like we all do from time to time here on the thunderdome, but in the end, I'm not going to be talked down to like some child by a board mod who feels he can make assumptions about me and make me out to have alterior motives.


Sincerely,

BiGHer

PS. When I do come back and resume posting, I will not mention another source.  I will mention products and if I'm taking Kigtropin then I'm gonna tell you all that I'm taking Kigtropin whether you like it or not!!!

i really dont get this post,,,no offense i have nothing against you but maybe all the gear your on is messing with your head?  sometimes i get dramatic over tiny things and they get under my skin and i turn them into big issues.  i dont think ww or anyone has the time to edit and put alot of thought into PM, it just sounds to me like he is telling you to stop mentioning sources name and also stating the fact that that particular source has sold on a ton of bunk gh, and owes alot of people.

so he put out a few good kits, does that make up for selling a ton of bunk shit, having horrible communication, leaving people hanging, and still owing people? 

IMO ww is a very good guy who has alot of knowledge of the past and present market for AAS and what UG labs used to be good and what ones are currentnly good, and current ones that are overrated (like half the 'top chefs" named on this board).  LMAO, some of these 'top chefs' sell crap products, they might have one good hormone (say test prop), but their masteron is garbage.  There really are no top chefs, ive tried all the "top" ones, and i this isn't 2004 anymore, the powders coming from china in my opinion are more and more shitty, they are getting cut or something, everything now days is worse than shit was years ago, except for 1 guys EQ,,,the fucking market for drol is either take your risk buying humangrade, where chances are it is counterfit, or buy from a top chef, where you gotta take 300mg just to get an effect.

Just saying WW is a down the middle guy who i dont see sucking off various sources like some guys do and proclaiming them gods,,,gear these days is not good and very high dosaes need to be used for any affect.

I also think your overreacting, not trying to bash you, i just think your making a mountain of a mole hill and WW is a down to earth guy who unlike mods on some baords doesn't think he is too good for everyone,,,hes a mod but he's like one of us.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: lilhawk1 on April 04, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
Now there are guys on PM claiming to have high serum #'s of these new Kigs.  Wonder how much free shit they are getting?  Once a scammer always a scammer.  He might send them decent shit to get serum tested on, but everyone else gets pure shit in the meantime.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Arnold jr on April 04, 2012, 08:48:58 PM
It's not just the manner I was approached in here, it's accusations being made toward me with no grounds.  WW and I have discussed through PM's sources in the past... he could have hit me up and asked my reasoning for mentioning a source instead of accusing me of "pimping product."

I apologized in my OP for mentioning a sources name, I acknowledged that it's a "no-no."  That's why I was also clear in saying that I won't be discussing certain things anymore. 

You mean like GH15 and the oompa loompa's (elfs) have been doing to WW for over a year now? You mean like the way they've handled their responses about me? Pot, kettle, meet ironic.

Why is WW immune to criticism? Who's agenda is he carrying out that lets him do such a terrible job as mod?

This is why Getbig is dying. Most mods are inactive and many who are left are SKETCHY as hell. And this is why gh15s board will be the pinnacle, because people like BiGher will be mods. People who care about the sport and contribute in huge ways.

Actually, WW was made a mod here for a very specific reason, one BiGHer is well aware of and one WW has done well. He wasn't picked randomly. And sure, you can criticize him all day long, me too if you want...as long as you don't break the very few basic rules of the board you can say and do whatever you want.

BTW, if GH15's site passes this one in numbers I'll be surprised. You have to remember, he's speaking to a small population of people inside an already small population of people. If it even passes my old probodybuilding.com site that hasn't been updated in over two years I'll be shocked..
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 08:57:47 PM
C'mon you mentioned the source in your title! posting sources names is a not right and you mentioned ike 3 times Kami had new kigs! why would you do that? you obviously have a agenda. Kami owes this board thousands of dollars! He is a shitty soource who scammed alot of people! Even GH15 called him a scammer and not to order from him! if you just took a picture and didn't mention any sources or mention Kami had new pharm grade kits that would of been fine! or you could of PM'ed people. I approached this like I did because you knew what you did was wrong! don't act like you didn't! Dont act like you are not getting anything for free or a offer from kami to get something for free for posting that.



I stand by everything I've said in this thread and that includes my apology for mentioning the source.  Why are you getting so uptight man?  We both know that people wanted every bit of information they can get from this recent kigs issue and I was just sharing my experiences with it.  Of course I knew before hand that mentioning sources is wrong, you can find me on other threads telling people to chill out mentioning source names, but I figured given the magnitude of the situation, that it would be important for members to know.  Also, read through the threads... Nick names are made up every other day because people mention sources left and right.  Come on man, give me a break - you knew you could have handled this differently.  Also, I'm being clear that I'll keep my distance from source and product related discussions.


Also, Arnold Jr, when have you seen me bash WW in the past?  Why are you making me out to be accountable for what other people have said to WW?





 

Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 04, 2012, 09:00:50 PM
bigher is the BEST member on this boarding ,, he is and im serious about it ,, he is the definition of a saint,, im not kiding by the way ,, this fella is so truthful and so good from within that it shines through,, he will get very VERY far in life,, in bodybuild too but im talking LIFE,, you fellas should read a paragraph of what he write and get in your head that you have here a phenomenon ,,

i thikn he deserve an appology ,, not only that! but he is not pimping anything ,, IT IS ME WHO WIL BRING THE KIGTROPIN BACK IF! PROVEN TO ME! THAT IT HAS CONSISTANCY AND ITS PHARMA GRADE,, then! i will put my name behind it and take full and sole responsibility ,, i didnt approve them yet and neevr before done such a thing as burning an operation and then bring it back...i need to see consistancy with THIS! level of product for he is using GREAT GREAT product rigght now ,, it just need to be for EVERYONE

in any case...coupel more weeks and a gh15 in yout face sites are coming,, will have no more problem ongetbig with this kind of things,, getbig can go back to the old way then

gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 04, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
You mean like GH15 and the oompa loompa's (elfs) have been doing to WW for over a year now? You mean like the way they've handled their responses about me? Pot, kettle, meet ironic.

Actually, WW was made a mod here for a very specific reason, one BiGHer is well aware of and one WW has done well. He wasn't picked randomly. And sure, you can criticize him all day long, me too if you want...as long as you don't break the very few basic rules of the board you can say and do whatever you want.

BTW, if GH15's site passes this one in numbers I'll be surprised. You have to remember, he's speaking to a small population of people inside an already small population of people. If it even passes my old probodybuilding.com site that hasn't been updated in over two years I'll be shocked..


i already passes getbig,, right now already over 1000 applications with out any site ,, the gh15 sites is not somethign you should cpmpare anything to ,, it will be the bigest thing in internet bodybuild history ...not due to technology but due to who writes there...aka  M E

im just too big,, i got to a level of invinsibility that its pretty much sitting with the morning cofee looking for gh15 postings...and 1000s do it every day for many years
gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 04, 2012, 09:04:41 PM
You mean like GH15 and the oompa loompa's (elfs) have been doing to WW for over a year now? You mean like the way they've handled their responses about me? Pot, kettle, meet ironic.

Actually, WW was made a mod here for a very specific reason, one BiGHer is well aware of and one WW has done well. He wasn't picked randomly. And sure, you can criticize him all day long, me too if you want...as long as you don't break the very few basic rules of the board you can say and do whatever you want.

BTW, if GH15's site passes this one in numbers I'll be surprised. You have to remember, he's speaking to a small population of people inside an already small population of people. If it even passes my old probodybuilding.com site that hasn't been updated in over two years I'll be shocked..


remember how you delted the posting of you talking about what happened to you in past...delete this posting of you too...it wil show very bad on you in future,, its warm recomendation ,, if you checked into the gh15 site...and looked in the hysteria around it ....you would understand that gh15 sites is not only for bodybuilders persay

gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: qbkilla on April 04, 2012, 09:10:29 PM
Now there are guys on PM claiming to have high serum #'s of these new Kigs.  Wonder how much free shit they are getting?  Once a scammer always a scammer.  He might send them decent shit to get serum tested on, but everyone else gets pure shit in the meantime.

if guys there are saying they have high serum levels, you know its a scam.  ergopep, LMAO.  what was the one they were pimping before that, the one with the dinosuar logo that was selling poison, but on that board it was the best shit around, better than roids, haha
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Arnold jr on April 04, 2012, 09:17:58 PM


Also, Arnold Jr, when have you seen me bash WW in the past?  Why are you making me out to be accountable for what other people have said to WW?




I'm not, I'm just stating the somewhat ironic nature of the whole thing...that's all.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 09:21:30 PM
I'm not, I'm just stating the somewhat ironic nature of the whole thing...that's all.

lol
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Arnold jr on April 04, 2012, 09:21:58 PM
i already passes getbig,, right now already over 1000 applications with out any site ,, the gh15 sites is not somethign you should cpmpare anything to ,, it will be the bigest thing in internet bodybuild history ...not due to technology but due to who writes there...aka  M E

im just too big,, i got to a level of invinsibility that its pretty much sitting with the morning cofee looking for gh15 postings...and 1000s do it every day for many years
gh15 approved

I hope your site is a huge success, I have no reason to hope for it not to be. Still, I know what it takes to get traffic on these sites and keep the traffic coming in and a couple thousand people a day is nothing. Some of these big bodybuilding sites have millions upon millions of dollars pumped into them but there's no way the GH15 site does. I mean maybe you could, I don't know what you're worth, but no sane human pumps money into a website like that unless it's going to yield a return...which the only way yours will have the ability to make a profit is if you're selling gear

Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: BiGHer on April 04, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
lol

Let me be clear, I'm not being sarcastic btw... what you said is funny.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Arnold jr on April 04, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
remember how you delted the posting of you talking about what happened to you in past...delete this posting of you too...it wil show very bad on you in future,, its warm recomendation ,, if you checked into the gh15 site...and looked in the hysteria around it ....you would understand that gh15 sites is not only for bodybuilders persay

gh15 approved

Again, not saying your site won't be successful, I'm sure it'll get lots of hits. From a dollar value though I just don't see the numbers.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on April 04, 2012, 09:40:12 PM
Marlo,

Thanks for the response - It's Big GH User, just an FYI.

1) I agree to an extent.  If I was respectfully PMed, I would have handled this in a respectful manner.  However once respect got tossed out the window, no reason to be respectful of the message being Private anymore IMO.

2) Your second point is somewhat valid, but how about confronting someone and talking to them like an adult before locking a thread and sending PM's with the subject reading "Not Here Buddy!"

3)  I think you're being a little forgiving.  Yes he meant to say "don't discuss sources here," but telling me that I'm pimping out products... I don't really take that as a typo.

4) I'm not going anywhere... I love getbig.  I'm just not going to take as active of a role.  I think I have some pretty decent info to share and some decent experience to talk about, but obviously sharing such things honestly gets frowned upon around here.

Again, I hear what your saying, but I still think my points are very valid.

i understand what your saying man, but ultimately, when you boil it down, it comes to the fact that you just didnt like WW's tone... thats all !IMO< that shouldve been handled in PM, the same way WW voiced his anger towards a reputable member promoting a known scammer ONLY IN PM, and not in public forum.

Also keep this in mind, you said you wanted to be a mod on these boards right? with being a mod comes some trust and assurance of privacy. if i dont trust a mod, fuck him i dont respect him. What you just did was pretty much make people not be able to trust you with their privacy. You posted a PM, plain and simple.  maybe 5 months down the road some guy here spills his guts out to you on PM, and then in one of his posts he harshly disagrees with you, will you post his PMs as well???

WW spoke harshly, he should tone it down. contrary to gh15, i think YOU owe WW an apology for posting his PM's out in public... just my $0.02
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 04, 2012, 10:07:17 PM
I hope your site is a huge success, I have no reason to hope for it not to be. Still, I know what it takes to get traffic on these sites and keep the traffic coming in and a couple thousand people a day is nothing. Some of these big bodybuilding sites have millions upon millions of dollars pumped into them but there's no way the GH15 site does. I mean maybe you could, I don't know what you're worth, but no sane human pumps money into a website like that unless it's going to yield a return...which the only way yours will have the ability to make a profit is if you're selling gear



you dont get it eh? i dont give a flyhig fuck about revenews,, i dont giev a flying fuck about money to be made,, i give a fuck about one single thing! something many should have give fuck to but failed to do! i give a fuck to all the abused souls in the cult of bodybuild which the numbers are in the 100s of  1000s,, how do you think i got so huge? my followers are the fellas who got fucked in the ass by the danta and sons,, the ron herises,, the mikes arnelds,, the muscular devlopments,, its now paying time and paying time is not a good thing ,, trust me when i say ....felals turn on computer for one and only one reason in bodybuild nwo day and this reason is

ME

gh15 approved 
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: lilhawk1 on April 04, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
if guys there are saying they have high serum levels, you know its a scam.  ergopep, LMAO.  what was the one they were pimping before that, the one with the dinosuar logo that was selling poison, but on that board it was the best shit around, better than roids, haha

Oh yeah.  Some guys are claiming 30+ on serum GH.  Of course Kami claims to have tested them on himself and got a 30+ also.  What a load of shit.  He must select the kits he wants to have tested and make sure they are up to par, but I don't believe a damn thing pretty much anyone on that board says.  Especially the mods.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 05, 2012, 12:03:29 AM
#1 this kami asshole owes alot of people some serious coin! Kami scammed hundreds of good people on this board and others! Kami had them shooting dangerous sugar water! Bigher you have his name in the title of your thread! This is what happened Kami bought more HGH with the million dollars he has from scamming members of this forum and others! and finally might of got a few ok kits he decided to ship out to the NPC level bodybuilders so he could get business again and probably eventually start selling shit again once the few good kigs are gone. her is what Bigher says!


After all this, Kami contacted me and said he had quality gh.  He sent me 2 kits of Kigtropin to use.  He provided me with gh serum testing #'s and guaranteed that he had a stockpile of QUALITY Kigtropin that he was ready to sell at a fair price.  He assures me that regular serum testing of his supply will occur.  He assures me that issues will not arise like they did before.  The 2 kits he sent me are Pharma Grade.

gh15 wants to ensure that REAL BODYBUILDERS can get quality gh at a fair price.  He wants to make sure that when bodybuilders spend their hard saved money that they get what they expect in the mail.  gh15 is not endorcing kamikaze yet because he wants to make sure that it's not just myself or bboy or anyone else who has ever received a free kit from Kami that get's the quality, he wants everyone is consistantly brought quality hgh.

So here is what I'm gonna say to all of you.  I believe that Kami has quality hgh (His Hygetropin is also good to go, I've used it).  I'm not a gimmick and I've never given any of you on this board anything but my honest opinion.  If you guys don't want to buy hgh from Kami then don't.  If you do and you get bunk hgh then I am not to blame lol.  I am just here to tell you that I believe Kami to have quality hgh.  I encourage all of you to give it a shot.  Don't be dumb!  Don't go spend thousands right away.  Go place an order for 1,2 or 3 kits.  Try it!  I think Kami is trying to do the right thing here, but again, it's your decision.
________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _____

I personally do not think kami deserves a dollar of anybodys money! He should be busy mailing out these new kits to the members he ripped off. Even GH15 your Hero called hiim a scammer and not to order anything from him! In this thread you are obviously making it clear that kami has a new batch of kigtropin and they are supposively pharma grade yet again no proof is shown no serum tests nothing! you say you are going by what you see in the mirror and with the gear your on and the amount you workout it could just be the Tren and a low level of HGH.I wouldn't compare you to evan centaponi and I believe he uses way better HGH then what you are using or have ever used in your life! You obviously want to give kami a thanks for the free kits and hope others order so he can make some money and start up his shitty business again! Slinpimp ran thanktropin and did not come back and thank the supplier like that he just said nlook at my results on thanktropin.

There are only 2 guys you should buy your HGH from one of them has novos and thanks and the other one has rips. that is it! ask K the owner of anabolicboard and he will say the same thing. there is plenty of shit HGH floating around right now and people have to use the guys who are seriously connected to real HGH. Kami is not one of these guys their are only 2 of them and everybody knows who they are! I would suggest anybody who has used kami and got screwed give him a email and try to get a reship of these new real november quality kigs. Bigher the way you had your picture up with his name in the title thanking him for the HGH was enough to know you are selling a product or helping somebody sell a product. I have no problem with you PM'ing ron with my PM or calling him with your PM just make sure you show him the thread you posted as well! I have been a member here for 6 years longer than you same as arnold jr. and overload! You have a while to go if you want to be a mod others are in front of you, so just wait till Gh15 starts his board and you can mod for him. I didn't have any problem with you till now! and GH15 backing somebody means coming out of your own pocket if they do not deliver! that is what I did with euroman I put my own money up if he did not come through and I was the one who referred him and guess what? I never had to spend a dime!
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Arnold jr on April 05, 2012, 12:26:35 AM
Just something that's popped in my head....an observation.

A few months back, the "Elf Nation" proclaimed Euroman had serious problems and would be shut down. Once he did announce he was shutting down they took credit for it. GH15 would then state that if Euroman would correct the problems he had it would be OK if he came back into business under a new name and title but that "Euroman" was done and a new, cleaner identity should be made. This was all despite that no one had ever been scammed or sold a low grade product by Euroman and there was never any proof of any wrong doing.

Then we have this kami guy who apparently sold massive amounts of HGH to a lot of people, selling them a terrible product that was worth less than the packing in came in. Thousands upon thousands of dollars were lost and a lot of people were angered. Then the "Elf Nation" starts singing his praises, saying he has turned it all around and it's just fine for kami to still exist and encourages others to make a purchase.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 05, 2012, 12:29:20 AM
Just something that's popped in my head....an observation.

A few months back, the "Elf Nation" proclaimed Euroman had serious problems and would be shut down. Once he did announce he was shutting down they took credit for it. GH15 would then state that if Euroman would correct the problems he had it would be OK if he came back into business under a new name and title but that "Euroman" was done and a new, cleaner identity should be made. This was all despite that no one had ever been scammed or sold a low grade product by Euroman and there was never any proof of any wrong doing.

Then we have this kami guy who apparently sold massive amounts of HGH to a lot of people, selling them a terrible product that was worth less than the packing in came in. Thousands upon thousands of dollars were lost and a lot of people were angered. Then the "Elf Nation" starts singing his praises, saying he has turned it all around and it's just fine for kami to still exist and encourages others to make a purchase.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?

oh euroman stil operate in europe ,, he is not done,,done with americana ...but in europe he is fine

gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Arnold jr on April 05, 2012, 12:47:01 AM
oh euroman stil operate in europe ,, he is not done,,done with americana ...but in europe he is fine

gh15 approved

Either you missed my point or ignored it.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 05, 2012, 05:03:12 AM
You mean like GH15 and the oompa loompa's (elfs) have been doing to WW for over a year now? You mean like the way they've handled their responses about me? Pot, kettle, meet ironic.

Actually, WW was made a mod here for a very specific reason, one BiGHer is well aware of and one WW has done well. He wasn't picked randomly. And sure, you can criticize him all day long, me too if you want...as long as you don't break the very few basic rules of the board you can say and do whatever you want.

BTW, if GH15's site passes this one in numbers I'll be surprised. You have to remember, he's speaking to a small population of people inside an already small population of people. If it even passes my old probodybuilding.com site that hasn't been updated in over two years I'll be shocked..


I said it would be the pinnacle, not the site with the biggest numbers.

Look, I'm not even friendly with most "elves". I'm part of the pack because the cause is good and I agree with it. But I often disagree with the elves and sometimes gh15 himself. So does BiGher and some of the other top elves that are free thinkers. We are not all parrots. You'll note I've NEVER addressed you for the legal issues you've had. I could care less, I don't pass judgement on people, that's not my place.

As for WW, whatever the "specific reason" there is for him to be a mod, he conducts himself poorly and at times like a total lunatic. In the past I was just messing around teasing him lightly and he would PM bomb me with a dozen chapters of PM's talking in circles. Total nutbag. And a chest puffer, too. "Look at me, I have stacks of money!" What idiocy.

BiGher, on the other hand, is a solid contributing member to Getbig. HE is the type of guy who should be moderating us. That's just my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

I have PMed you a few times! once to tell you how to orer off a site,once to apologize because I did not really get the thread title and that is all I remember. I remember you emailing me telling me Gh15  was going to rat me out and to take down my pictures but I had taken down most all my pictures because ron asked me to. I left just small pictures up. that is all the contact I have had with you and you dont even bother anybody so you are fine by me.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 05, 2012, 05:14:16 AM
oh euroman stil operate in europe ,, he is not done,,done with americana ...but in europe he is fine

gh15 approved

AJ is saying euroman sold nothing but legit product yet you and the elfs had a problem with it. maybe it was cutting into their domestics profits! euro never screwed anybody over and  it is when a source retires he usually runs off with everyones money the last 2-4 weeks but euroman filled every order he had! stand up guy till the end. AJ isa saying would you give euroman a third chance if he sold 100's of thousands of dollars of bunk gear or HGH NO WAY! YET YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT VOUCHING FOR KAMI AGAIN? YOU JUST CALLED HIM A SCAMMER RECENTLY AND NOT TO ORDER FROM HIM. GH15 YOU YOURSELF SAID IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST SCAMS TO EVER HAPPEN! yET YOU WANT TO BRING THIS GUY BACK FROM THE DEAD JUST SO HE CAN PULL THE SAME SHIT?

And as for bigher I said it would of been fine if you just showed us a picture and mentioned whos gear and HGH you were using. I did not see any reference to the gear you were on just that kami was back with pharma grade HGH and you cannot even prove that! you have not gotten blood work done! and even if you did that does not mean that is what he is going to send everybody! He picked you to give a few kits to because you are a advanced bodybuilder and is using you to sell his HGH! din't you see that! or do you not care because you are getting free HGH? even though you might be able to pay for his HGH it is nice to get it for free isn't it?

You are on alot of gear and It is easy to obtain gains like you have with the amount of gear you are using. Now if you looked like evan centaponi then I would say you are on pharma HGH. This is still just chinese HGH nothing special. In fact I think evan was a pro at your age. You look like steve kuclo when he was 19-20yr's old. not trying to disrespect but the gear and HGH you are using is not that special

Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: getswole25 on April 05, 2012, 05:52:06 AM
Ive lost all respect for GH15 to even think of backing a scammer really? So GH15 you back a rat now? Are you a Rat? Really bro.? In this game you really shouldnt give someone a 2nd chance but a 3rd wow. Almost feels like your in this whole scam together with KAMI? You back the man we shall not mention and the man with the rips but now you want to back a scammer really?????????????????????????? Bro your lossing your edge? ALso you must have this other guy in this thread in bed with you with this massive scam going on with Kami.. I see it now I belivie GH15 has been in with this kig scam with Kami since day 1 and now your going to suck some more people's hard earned money from the scam again. Guys dont buy shit from Kami you know what hes doing know its called SELECTIVE SCAMMING
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Overload on April 05, 2012, 07:35:57 AM
Why is WW immune to criticism? Who's agenda is he carrying out that lets him do such a terrible job as mod?

He's not immune. Which is why this thread is still up.

My problem is the same group of people has been attacking him for a very long time with no ground to stand on.

We all have agendas, it's just that lately everyone wants to attack him for whatever reason. Good or bad we all have an agenda here.

He did his job as a Mod and there is much more to being a Mod on this board than you guys think.

I'm not going to get into this, WW did the right thing IMO. If you guys don't like him for whatever reason that is fine, but BiGHer broke the rules and WW did his job as a Mod.

I think this entire thing is getting blown way out of proportion. If a Mod wants to discuss sources through PM's that's fine. Considering all the stuff that people do through PM's on this board, i think discussing EM is the least of our concerns.

Posting PM's in the open is what drives me nuts. I could post some serious shit on here, but i won't because it doesn't matter. People wonder why we aren't as active as we used to be and that we aren't as responsive as we used to be, but we get attacked several times a week by people who don't understand what we deal with on here. Lately i have refused to give out any info through PM's because everyone is posting it on the open board, which is so stupid.

I still just don't understand what the deal is. If someone has beef with a Mod they need to take a better approach than this to solving the problem. Posting all of this on the open board just made a lot of people look really ignorant as to how things work on this board.

That's all I'm saying. WW did his job and hurt someones feelings in the process and now everyone is crying foul.

Attacking Mods like this is why so many Mods don't post anymore and why we have lost so many Mods on this board over the years. Thankfully i don't take shit personally and just roll with the punches. As far as sketchy mods, well i will admit 100% that there were a few in the past, but the mods we have today are leaps ahead of what we had 5-7 years ago.

Carry on gentlemen, I'm done with this thread.


8)

Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 05, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
I said it would be the pinnacle, not the site with the biggest numbers.

Look, I'm not even friendly with most "elves". I'm part of the pack because the cause is good and I agree with it. But I often disagree with the elves and sometimes gh15 himself. So does BiGher and some of the other top elves that are free thinkers. We are not all parrots. You'll note I've NEVER addressed you for the legal issues you've had. I could care less, I don't pass judgement on people, that's not my place.

As for WW, whatever the "specific reason" there is for him to be a mod, he conducts himself poorly and at times like a total lunatic. In the past I was just messing around teasing him lightly and he would PM bomb me with a dozen chapters of PM's talking in circles. Total nutbag. And a chest puffer, too. "Look at me, I have stacks of money!" What idiocy.

BiGher, on the other hand, is a solid contributing member to Getbig. HE is the type of guy who should be moderating us. That's just my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

This coming from a guy who does not even use a encrypted email till i told him too and he also couldn't figure out the how to order off a certain suppliers website-LOL. I have been around for a long time. I apologized one time to you for being out of line on a thread where people where talking like Gh15. other than me helping you out with the website all you have done is tell me how mych power Gh15 has and to be careful-lol. maybe he should be careful.I have nothing against you and you would have to be a idiot to see that bigher was not trying to give thanks to kami for the free kigtropin kami sent him.

 Kami owes alot of other people and I suggest he start shipping packs!I have been around alot longer then bigher and know alot more about this game than you think! plus when have I ever bad mouthed you except when you couldn't figure out how to order from a website? and if you were so smat why did you not have a encrypted email?I don't care about you but bigher had a motive behind his thread. he mentioned kami had new kigs and they were pharm grade just because kami says so. Bigher had no proof they were pharm grade. I have been around alot longer then you to reardon metal and when Gh15 sets up his site bigher will be a mod so you can sleep good at night. Also I didn't get my money by being an idiot! My wealth came from years of hard work!I am not going anywhere so deal wiith it plus you have never been a problem anyway however you take Gh15 to seriously! All the guy can do is rat people out.and he is proud of being a known rat!
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 05, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
I do not take things personally either! there are alot of people who do not like me because I have money,alot of personal gear. I get legit usa HGH, I get all the prescription drugs I want. I get hated for all thee reasons but I could care less. I have done alot of good for this board and any referral I have given anybody has wroked out for them and they have been happy! So there are some that love me and hate me. there are always going to be haters when you have what they want money, expensive houses and condos and enough gear to last me a year. sure I bet it angers some of the members but I worked for everything. stop crying and work if you want alot of money and Top shelf AAS and HGH! But that is all off topic. the main point is Bigher knew what he was doing when he posted that thread. like I said if he had not made any kami remark I would have staid good work brother keep it up. But he turned it into a thread talking about how Kami had some NQK(november quality kigs!) shame on you bigher!you should of posted that on the board where kami sources on and if you 't know wich board that is ask him!
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 05, 2012, 08:27:17 AM
Ive lost all respect for GH15 to even think of backing a scammer really? So GH15 you back a rat now? Are you a Rat? Really bro.? In this game you really shouldnt give someone a 2nd chance but a 3rd wow. Almost feels like your in this whole scam together with KAMI? You back the man we shall not mention and the man with the rips but now you want to back a scammer really?????????????????????????? Bro your lossing your edge? ALso you must have this other guy in this thread in bed with you with this massive scam going on with Kami.. I see it now I belivie GH15 has been in with this kig scam with Kami since day 1 and now your going to suck some more people's hard earned money from the scam again. Guys dont buy shit from Kami you know what hes doing know its called SELECTIVE SCAMMING

I believe it! This was a scam since day 1 and I think GH15 knew all about it and was getting a cutt of the profits. Now he needs money for the site so why not try it again? Big scam. If he was not involved he would be like me and be pissed Kami would even try to sell anymore kigtropin. he would be going back on his word he just dropped out not long ago that kami was a scammer! and not to buy anything from him.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: illwill on April 05, 2012, 09:59:10 AM
and kami is back to selling raws now too.  hmmmm
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 07, 2012, 11:49:34 AM
im amazed that you runing you rmouths like this when you know what coming up ,,you need to be complete retard to even open mouth right now when many here know what im brining in very short time,,whitewidow ba
 to his old way...blaming god of hormones for being this and that ...therre is getswole,, all full of agendas...i have no idea who kami is gublai or shmooblaiu ,, i said if IF i bring him back or them it will only! be after checking it for long time,,

you are bunch of kids,, you do not deserve me on getbig.com,, and thus i shall not be staying on getbig.com,. go talk to the hand in short time,,i could care less,,

i made this site,, i am everything when it comes to getbig.com ,, it cant survive with out me ...notice what hapen in next few weeks...just take time and notice

YOU NEVER BALONIE AROUND WITH ME,, I DO YOU A FAVOUR! AND THUS EXPECT TO BE WORSHIPED,,

by the way im not playing with any of you kidos ,, you just follw next few weeks...

gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 07, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
This coming from a guy who does not even use a encrypted email till i told him too and he also couldn't figure out the how to order off a certain suppliers website-LOL. I have been around for a long time. I apologized one time to you for being out of line on a thread where people where talking like Gh15. other than me helping you out with the website all you have done is tell me how mych power Gh15 has and to be careful-lol. maybe he should be careful.I have nothing against you and you would have to be a idiot to see that bigher was not trying to give thanks to kami for the free kigtropin kami sent him.

 Kami owes alot of other people and I suggest he start shipping packs!I have been around alot longer then bigher and know alot more about this game than you think! plus when have I ever bad mouthed you except when you couldn't figure out how to order from a website? and if you were so smat why did you not have a encrypted email?I don't care about you but bigher had a motive behind his thread. he mentioned kami had new kigs and they were pharm grade just because kami says so. Bigher had no proof they were pharm grade. I have been around alot longer then you to reardon metal and when Gh15 sets up his site bigher will be a mod so you can sleep good at night. Also I didn't get my money by being an idiot! My wealth came from years of hard work!I am not going anywhere so deal wiith it plus you have never been a problem anyway however you take Gh15 to seriously! All the guy can do is rat people out.and he is proud of being a known rat!

I use the only encrypted email that actually works. So happens that EM couldn't accept emails from mine on his crappy, totally crack able email server.

God you're a dolt.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 07, 2012, 06:25:23 PM
Seriously WW, you sent me like 14 emails each several paragraphs in ONE DAY. I'd wake up that week to 5 PMs from you everyday just babbling like a lunatic. One PM you're bashing my physique saying good luck w my pro ambitions (only ambition I had was to get on stage after a decade lay off). Next you're telling me I'm cool you have no probs we should be boys.

You're nuts. I have NO clue how you became a mod, but it reflects poorly on the site.

I tried to tell you shit was gonna happen, then you admit to being visited by DEA. Dude I don't wish that on anyone, honestly all I tried to do was get you to relax with the source posting which at that time everyone was doing and it was driving me nuts.

Anyway, I'm done. This board blows. Anyone needs help PM me.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 07, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
why you even talk to him metal ,, he is a dealer ,, thats how he made his money ,, DEALING,,

gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: gh15 on April 07, 2012, 06:29:38 PM
the fella fucking walk around here talking about xanax and narcotics,, arnold junior LET THIS FUCKING THING HAPPEN!,,prescription balonie ,, this is NARCOTICS I TOLD YOU WHY DEA WOULD EVEN MOVE THEIR ASS TWARDS ANYONE,, it always has to do with narcotics and distributions and you let fellas talk about it here like its bread and butter...
this is NUTS!

showing stacks of xanas and pain killers,, you are NUTS!

gh15 approved
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: phroz3n on April 07, 2012, 11:23:30 PM
the fella fucking walk around here talking about xanax and narcotics,, arnold junior LET THIS FUCKING THING HAPPEN!,,prescription balonie ,, this is NARCOTICS I TOLD YOU WHY DEA WOULD EVEN MOVE THEIR ASS TWARDS ANYONE,, it always has to do with narcotics and distributions and you let fellas talk about it here like its bread and butter...
this is NUTS!

showing stacks of xanas and pain killers,, you are NUTS!

gh15 approved

where is your website u lieing filt?? u r a rat and deal bunk gh and scam people fuk off narco :-*
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: randy841 on April 07, 2012, 11:30:56 PM
the fella fucking walk around here talking about xanax and narcotics,, arnold junior LET THIS FUCKING THING HAPPEN!,,prescription balonie ,, this is NARCOTICS I TOLD YOU WHY DEA WOULD EVEN MOVE THEIR ASS TWARDS ANYONE,, it always has to do with narcotics and distributions and you let fellas talk about it here like its bread and butter...
this is NUTS!

showing stacks of xanas and pain killers,, you are NUTS!

gh15 approved

Dealing narcotics is another matter. GH15 if it is prescribed to WW or anyone for that matter, so what?

Half of America is hooked on it.
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 08, 2012, 08:39:53 AM
Seriously WW, you sent me like 14 emails each several paragraphs in ONE DAY. I'd wake up that week to 5 PMs from you everyday just babbling like a lunatic. One PM you're bashing my physique saying good luck w my pro ambitions (only ambition I had was to get on stage after a decade lay off). Next you're telling me I'm cool you have no probs we should be boys.

You're nuts. I have NO clue how you became a mod, but it reflects poorly on the site.

I tried to tell you shit was gonna happen, then you admit to being visited by DEA. Dude I don't wish that on anyone, honestly all I tried to do was get you to relax with the source posting which at that time everyone was doing and it was driving me nuts.

Anyway, I'm done. This board blows. Anyone needs help PM me.

No I din't and you didn't know how to order from the site till I told you what to do!you have to admit that! and when I was wrong about that one thread and realized you were joking I apologized!
Title: Re: MESSAGE TO MODS - I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO PLEASED READ
Post by: whitewidow on April 08, 2012, 08:54:05 AM
Seriously WW, you sent me like 14 emails each several paragraphs in ONE DAY. I'd wake up that week to 5 PMs from you everyday just babbling like a lunatic. One PM you're bashing my physique saying good luck w my pro ambitions (only ambition I had was to get on stage after a decade lay off). Next you're telling me I'm cool you have no probs we should be boys.

You're nuts. I have NO clue how you became a mod, but it reflects poorly on the site.

I tried to tell you shit was gonna happen, then you admit to being visited by DEA. Dude I don't wish that on anyone, honestly all I tried to do was get you to relax with the source posting which at that time everyone was doing and it was driving me nuts.

Anyway, I'm done. This board blows. Anyone needs help PM me.

Yes you did PM me and tell me to watch out and be careful wich I respect and appreciate. But I am not involved with any sales of anabolic steroids giving a ref from aguy that is in a third world country is not illegal. I Pmed you to make sure you ordered ok! and if you got everything Ok otherwise I was going to put in a email and got my boy off his ass and ship your pack! I was looking out for you. and I did apologize when I saw your post and didn't read the title. that was my fault and I felt bad you didn't deserve that. as far as your physique I would keep your day job! just being honest! I am a very honest person and I think it is great you worked hard to do a show but you will not get pro level or even close so good idea to save your cash and maybe just run a blitz cycle and some HGH like I do. I know I am not going pro! I am to old! If I put more into it when I was younger I might of ha a chance but even then I wouldnt place high in any show! way to much competition. Plus I dont want to abuse my body for nothing and I already make more than any pro. I work with my uncle who owns  computer consulting business and we make alot of money clearing viruses. 85% of our business is cleaning viruses people pickup going to gambling sites and porno sites. I am also in the legal supplement game. paid into the franchise and everything I own the only one in this town! it is a very popular franchise wich I won't mention but I am sure you guys know what franchise it is. I actually want to get out of this frachise because i could make more money without paying this franchise fee.I have been in the supplement game since the prohormones made everybody alot of cash but now that they are almost all gone business is sower than ever. back to just selling creatine and whey protein.and OTC anti-E's