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This guy competed in the 80's and 90's on the national level, never got a pro card. He did the Nationals and USA's a combined 12 times, and was around a lot of the pro's back then. He told me he was friends with Vince in the mid 90's and that the guy relied on his genetics and drugs for everything, basically another Paul Dillet. Always trained consistently, but never pushed himself that hard or followed much of a diet. He said he was around Vince for his prep for one of the Arnolds and that he basically ate 3 times a day. For breakfast he'd have eggs and bacon, then do his morning workout, then eat a burger and drink regular coke, go back and train later, then another meal and at night he'd have scotch or rum if he felt like it. Said Vince trained twice a day and 6 days a week. 12-15 sets per bodypart, moderate reps never going to failure. Then he told me about drugs and said that this was one area vince was completely anal about. Never missed a shot ever and always did it the same time everyday. Loved shooting his arms and calves the most. He said the guy loved parabolan, anadrol, gh... I don't know what his whole cycle looked like but here's the numbers he was telling me that vince was running a month out
Sustanon 1250mg Per Week
Test Prop 1000mg Per Week
EQ 1800mg Per Week
Parabolan 228mg ED
Masteron 200mg ED
Anadrol 200mg ED
T3/Clen/Ephedrine(didn't mention doses just the use of them)
GH 18iu ED
Said after this point he'd start lowering his test big time and bring his mast and para dosages up. I asked him about synthol because i've heard ppl accuse Vince of it before, but he said no synthol just site injects. Never went crazy with diuretics but always used them.
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Sounds very believable unlike what that dumbass Namat claims about his own usage ::)
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Standard cycle there, mega doses no suprises, put into anyone who has great response to the gas and good lines and you get a Vince Taylor, or Levrone or Jackson.. ect
Rom Heris approved
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Standard cycle there, mega doses no suprises, put into anyone who has great response to the gas and good lines and you get a Vince Taylor, or Levrone or Jackson.. ect
Rom Heris approved
Imagine if u put skip, lame norton, or Ron Harris on those dosages? Since they are natural they would be a beast if they ht the sauce ::)
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I've red somewhere that fella used to train with remarkably light weights. And the regimen is very believeable. Regardless - he had an amazing physique.. these lines are amongst the top of the top, really gifted. And he still looks very young, maybe all that gh payed off huh..
Now I wonder what would I look like on these doses...
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Seems Bang on Nate!
No doubt he was a human pin cushion, especially during prep.
Waiting for Mr.15 to chime in on this one
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Sounds very believable unlike what that dumbass Namat claims about his own usage ::)
at 300mg of prop a week he will be using less then anyone in the wwe good decision by vince to get less abusing athletes .
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Every pro is a human pun cushion,the difference is that Vince Taylor is a legend and most pros aren`t,or never will be no matter how much gear they abuse.
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Imagine if u put skip, lame norton, or Ron Harris on those dosages? Since they are natural they would be a beast if they ht the sauce ::)
[ /quote] if you put namat on that his skin would actually rip from the growth
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Sounds very believable unlike what that dumbass Namat claims about his own usage ::)
maybe steve is a hyper responder
Maybe steve can open a vial of tren, smell it, and he will grow
Or suck on an anapolan, and put it back in container and grow
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I always laugh when people say certain pros don't use high doses (danta and sons always claim they know guys that use piddly doses).
What he means is some guys are hyper responders and some guys aren't. As if some guy responds great to AAS and decides he'll stop
at 500mg because that is all he needs. Bullshit. If he responds so well to 500mg, he is going to put that hyper response to good use by
giving it 3g+.
A good responder using low doses would be like a guy with a fast engine and nitrous.
Just because he has nitrous (he's faster), do you think he would only put the peddle down half way?
Hell no. He has the nitrous as an advantage, and he STILL puts the pedal to the metal because the nitrous is what gave him the upper hand.
He doesn't think 'oh good, I have nitrous, I am just as fast as them, but now I can be safer too because I only have to put the peddle down
half way'.
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This guy competed in the 80's and 90's on the national level, never got a pro card. He did the Nationals and USA's a combined 12 times, and was around a lot of the pro's back then. He told me he was friends with Vince in the mid 90's and that the guy relied on his genetics and drugs for everything, basically another Paul Dillet. Always trained consistently, but never pushed himself that hard or followed much of a diet. He said he was around Vince for his prep for one of the Arnolds and that he basically ate 3 times a day. For breakfast he'd have eggs and bacon, then do his morning workout, then eat a burger and drink regular coke, go back and train later, then another meal and at night he'd have scotch or rum if he felt like it. Said Vince trained twice a day and 6 days a week. 12-15 sets per bodypart, moderate reps never going to failure. Then he told me about drugs and said that this was one area vince was completely anal about. Never missed a shot ever and always did it the same time everyday. Loved shooting his arms and calves the most. He said the guy loved parabolan, anadrol, gh... I don't know what his whole cycle looked like but here's the numbers he was telling me that vince was running a month out
Sustanon 1250mg Per Week
Test Prop 1000mg Per Week
EQ 1800mg Per Week
Parabolan 228mg ED
Masteron 200mg ED
Anadrol 200mg ED
T3/Clen/Ephedrine(didn't mention doses just the use of them)
GH 18iu ED
Said after this point he'd start lowering his test big time and bring his mast and para dosages up. I asked him about synthol because i've heard ppl accuse Vince of it before, but he said no synthol just site injects. Never went crazy with diuretics but always used them.
very good,, not bad for gymasium talk ,, fiunaly someone that put something here that is worth anything beside what i say
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Didnt shawn ray say that vince was one of the cleanest eaters in the ifbb??
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cleanest eater, im afraid he meaned something else with that :-X
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The guy's training, from all accounts, defined wimpiness.
Can't deny how great he once looked, though.
Last I saw him, perhaps seven years ago, his wheels appeared to be non-existent. (Then again, he never did have have huge legs.) Still had the guns, though.
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Didnt shawn ray say that vince was one of the cleanest eaters in the ifbb??
sean ray? one of the most disgusting only think of himself policitcaly corect individual in bodybuild? sean ray was just on as much ,, sean ray lol what a joke ,, with all of what he took he still remained a chiwi..he was just a master of politicaly corectness
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sean ray? one of the most disgusting only think of himself policitcaly corect individual in bodybuild? sean ray was just on as much ,, sean ray lol what a joke ,, with all of what he took he still remained a chiwi..he was just a master of politicaly corectness
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who would you say in the present or past is the ifbb pro that has been the least full of shit?? Is anyone open about the cycles they use??
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Sounds very believable unlike what that dumbass Namat claims about his own usage ::)
Really...?
As I know I have never looked like Vince...not even close...now u know one of the reasons why...
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cool thread. always fun to see what pros took
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what would be the point of taking both Sust and Test Prop....that makes no sense together imo
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Either availability or he wanted 2g of test but wanted to be able to drop the majority of it fast
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cool thread. always fun to see what pros took
Just go to the steroid board.......most guys there are taking just as much or more.
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Every pro is a human pun cushion,the difference is that Vince Taylor is a legend and most pros aren`t,or never will be no matter how much gear they abuse.
Exactly, and he's one of the most winningest pros in history. Also, he didn't start lifting until he was 28 (or start competing)...so that may have something to do with it. And he was pretty light in the early 90s as well...in the 220s.
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sean ray? one of the most disgusting only think of himself policitcaly corect individual in bodybuild? sean ray was just on as much ,, sean ray lol what a joke ,, with all of what he took he still remained a chiwi..he was just a master of politicaly corectness
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who would you say in the present or past is the ifbb pro that has been the least full of shit?? Is anyone open about the cycles they use??
me!,, im tellin you here exactly what it take ,, M E
they are all filt liars bunch of skanks ,, im not joking,, bunch of lieing pieces of addicts ,, they lie and lie and lie about treenbolona doses LIE! they lie abou the use of hgh and insulina which is HUGE
evin centifani would be right now sitting 201 lb 6% with out the hgh and insulina ,, read this number...201lb 6%!
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me!,, im tellin you here exactly what it take ,, M E
they are all filt liars bunch of skanks ,, im not joking,, bunch of lieing pieces of addicts ,, they lie and lie and lie about treenbolona doses LIE! they lie abou the use of hgh and insulina which is HUGE
evin centifani would be right now sitting 201 lb 6% with out the hgh and insulina ,, read this number...201lb 6%!
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THIS!
All day long
gh15 is my lord and savior. without him, i'd still be searching for the truth.
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Exactly, and he's one of the most winningest pros in history. Also, he didn't start lifting until he was 28 (or start competing)...so that may have something to do with it. And he was pretty light in the early 90s as well...in the 220s.
won the nationals as lightheavy 188 lbs 1988,competed as pro early on winning shows at 208 and gradually was near 240 by mid to late 90's insane arms and calves,had great chest later on as well,had gyno early on removed.great conditioning and poser .
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8400 mg plus gh and others stuff, sounds crazy but when you think he was one of the all time best, his numbers have to be this high, why wouldn't they be, totally believable, and probably a lot more guys at that level doing way more yet,
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Now THAT'S a believable cycle ! Finally !!!
Now tell me ... does ANYONE still believe the supposed Dorian Yates cycles ???? Yeah ... didn't think so. :/
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Now THAT'S a believable cycle ! Finally !!!
Now tell me ... does ANYONE still believe the supposed Dorian Yates cycles ???? Yeah ... didn't think so. :/
I don't believe the Yates cycle to be true cause the way it was put together had no logic but the numbers aren't far off as a whole, I could see him doing anywhere from 50-100% more then what Vince did, I mean Yates was an extremist, he was a warrior, a fundamentalist but stoic like, he felt he was an artist and would have no problem going within a hair of death towards his cause but show a straight face in the process, such was his personality, pure freak. Disregarded his feelings to get the job done.
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lol Taylor is a poor sport. His cycle really doesn't matter though because he never won the Olympia. Nothing compared to The GOAT.
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Meanwhile in Vince's basement.......
Vinny sits down with a bowl of icecream, pops open getbig do read the daily bodybuilding drug news.. Reads this thread and decides to chime in on the subject..
We are waiting Vinny
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the diet part is spot on. I was at the Arnold the year he won. He gave a seminar the next day and basically those were his exact words.
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I also heard this about his diet (or lack of) before, and having a few drinks every night
Vince also said he had big arms when he started training already (said 18's, but I'm not sure bout that)
Black guys do get away with poor diets better, especially if they've never let themselves get fat before
It goes without saying being juiced to the gills helps
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THIS!
All day long
gh15 is my lord and savior. without him, i'd still be searching for the truth.
Amen...
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sean ray? one of the most disgusting only think of himself policitcaly corect individual in bodybuild? sean ray was just on as much ,, sean ray lol what a joke ,, with all of what he took he still remained a chiwi..he was just a master of politicaly corectness
gh15 approved
lol
ok, gimmick ::)
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lol
ok, gimmick ::)
coudnt break 210lb even if jumped in the air day in day out and did flip flops ups and downs,, he coundt maintain condition when over 210 ....he started looking like shit! coudnt do it especialy when he got into the 215+ zones
facts are facts,,
and yes he took everything! under the sun
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Really...?
As I know I have never looked like Vince...not even close...now u know one of the reasons why...
Doesn't mean you didn't take a lot just because u didn't look like Vince ::)
I will say u do have a good physique though just not what u claim 300 or whatever the amount of test u take ;)
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coudnt break 210lb even if jumped in the air day in day out and did flip flops ups and downs,, he coundt maintain condition when over 210 ....he started looking like shit! coudnt do it especialy when he got into the 215+ zones
facts are facts,,
and yes he took everything! under the sun
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The FACT is, Shawn Ray was a better bodybuilder than you could have ever hoped to have been. They don't have weight scales on the stage, so who cares. Bodybuilding used to be about the illusion you created. Shawn kept his lines at whatever he weighed while competing.
The guys nowadays worry too much about how much they weigh. Its part of the reason why you have these bloated bellies. Guys are too heavy for their frames...they should weigh LESS!
We all know that all pro bodybuilders take a boatload of drugs...you are not providing any stunning revelations. ::)
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Doesn't mean you didn't take a lot just because u didn't look like Vince ::)
I will say u do have a good physique though just not what u claim 300 or whatever the amount of test u take ;)
Get your facts straight. He posted his heaviest cycle before. He only said he maintains on 300mg prop. Not once did he say he got his physique as a result of 300mg test. You can apologize to him now.
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The guys nowadays worry too much about how much they weigh. Its part of the reason why you have these bloated bellies. Guys are too heavy for their frames...they should weigh LESS!
spot fucking on ma man!
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100% truth and correct. Scale and weight does not mean anything except that they are heavier. If the judges prefer that, then so be it BUT it does not represent anything the general population will strive for.
Shawn Ray was the epitome of a small body but untouchable lines. Like Bob paris and zane, he had ultimate lines and proportions. Nothing stood out too much and nothing was lacking. He was modern perfection and that was sometimes a bad thing. Perfection is boring to those judges who want to see a circus act and not think about how the guy got it and all the consequences. Be a freak and we will reward you, kind of thing. Shit sucks and judging still sucks.
Shawn was of all the 90's one of THE BEST. No arguining there. Best meaning most attractive, symmetrical, cut, big, proportioned and well-spoken. Does not matter if he took what all others took...that goes without saying, he still looked and behaved better (in public at least) and that is very important.
People always assume Shawn wanted to get bigger, but Shawn made his money and track-record on being perfect and not being the biggest. Biggest on his frame would suck on he knew it. He played the game by his rules and is more remembered and talked off then multiple O's like Zane, Franco, Dick-er-son, and even Haney.
X 10000
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100% truth and correct. Scale and weight does not mean anything except that they are heavier. If the judges prefer that, then so be it BUT it does not represent anything the general population will strive for.
Shawn Ray was the epitome of a small body but untouchable lines. Like Bob paris and zane, he had ultimate lines and proportions. Nothing stood out too much and nothing was lacking. He was modern perfection and that was sometimes a bad thing. Perfection is boring to those judges who want to see a circus act and not think about how the guy got it and all the consequences. Be a freak and we will reward you, kind of thing. Shit sucks and judging still sucks.
Shawn was of all the 90's one of THE BEST. No arguining there. Best meaning most attractive, symmetrical, cut, big, proportioned and well-spoken. Does not matter if he took what all others took...that goes without saying, he still looked and behaved better (in public at least) and that is very important.
People always assume Shawn wanted to get bigger, but Shawn made his money and track-record on being perfect and not being the biggest. Biggest on his frame would suck on he knew it. He played the game by his rules and is more remembered and talked off then multiple O's like Zane, Franco, Dick-er-son, and even Haney.
great post. It would be nice if people can formulate their own opinions rather than just follow what gh15 says negatively about people like shawn ray
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how could he afford 18iu/d of gh back in the 90s? jeez, so much money but i guess it's an investment, like a house. probably took out a mortgage and told the bank "adding a larger sweep to the structure of the home"
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Get your facts straight. He posted his heaviest cycle before. He only said he maintains on 300mg prop. Not once did he say he got his physique as a result of 300mg test. You can apologize to him now.
what was his heaviest cycle he said he used?
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This guy competed in the 80's and 90's on the national level, never got a pro card. He did the Nationals and USA's a combined 12 times, and was around a lot of the pro's back then. He told me he was friends with Vince in the mid 90's and that the guy relied on his genetics and drugs for everything, basically another Paul Dillet. Always trained consistently, but never pushed himself that hard or followed much of a diet. He said he was around Vince for his prep for one of the Arnolds and that he basically ate 3 times a day. For breakfast he'd have eggs and bacon, then do his morning workout, then eat a burger and drink regular coke, go back and train later, then another meal and at night he'd have scotch or rum if he felt like it. Said Vince trained twice a day and 6 days a week. 12-15 sets per bodypart, moderate reps never going to failure. Then he told me about drugs and said that this was one area vince was completely anal about. Never missed a shot ever and always did it the same time everyday. Loved shooting his arms and calves the most. He said the guy loved parabolan, anadrol, gh... I don't know what his whole cycle looked like but here's the numbers he was telling me that vince was running a month out
Sustanon 1250mg Per Week
Test Prop 1000mg Per Week
EQ 1800mg Per Week
Parabolan 228mg ED
Masteron 200mg ED
Anadrol 200mg ED
T3/Clen/Ephedrine(didn't mention doses just the use of them)
GH 18iu ED
Said after this point he'd start lowering his test big time and bring his mast and para dosages up. I asked him about synthol because i've heard ppl accuse Vince of it before, but he said no synthol just site injects. Never went crazy with diuretics but always used them.
This is a nice story, but it's 2nd hand ...
Let Vince talk on Vince, saw him get 3rd to dorian and lee, in 1991 .....
he truly was 3rd best in the world that year !!!!!
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coudnt break 210lb even if jumped in the air day in day out and did flip flops ups and downs,, he coundt maintain condition when over 210 ....he started looking like shit! coudnt do it especialy when he got into the 215+ zones
facts are facts,,
and yes he took everything! under the sun
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Well I've seen pics of you "breaking 200" Jason, and the 15-20% bodyfat and gyno isn't pretty.
Perhaps instead of scouring the internet for steroid info to pass off as your "tips from a pro" (LOL), you might want to look into information on AI's especially Letro. If you have any questions feel free to PM me- NOONE should have to live with gyno like that.
BTW Mr. Stern - I know what you look like and I've seen what Shawn Ray looks like- you wish you could be 200 without looking like a fat permabulker. When will the lies stop you Filt?
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Well I've seen pics of you "breaking 200" Jason, and the 15-20% bodyfat and gyno isn't pretty.
Perhaps instead of scouring the internet for steroid info to pass off as your "tips from a pro" (LOL), you might want to look into information on AI's especially Letro. If you have any questions feel free to PM me- NOONE should have to live with gyno like that.
BTW Mr. Stern - I know what you look like and I've seen what Shawn Ray looks like- you wish you could be 200 without looking like a fat permabulker. When will the lies stop you Filt?
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Get your facts straight. He posted his heaviest cycle before. He only said he maintains on 300mg prop. Not once did he say he got his physique as a result of 300mg test. You can apologize to him now.
Hows all that gh and juice working out for ya "bro"
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what was his heaviest cycle he said he used?
1 blowjob, 2 serious sex acts and 1 handjob nonstop.
;D
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1 blowjob, 2 serious sex acts and 1 handjob nonstop.
;D
that was all given by Bay? He must have bumped u up a tier.
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what was his heaviest cycle he said he used?
can't remember It wasn't too crazy though
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This is a nice story, but it's 2nd hand ...
Let Vince talk on Vince, saw him get 3rd to dorian and lee, in 1991 .....
he truly was 3rd best in the world that year !!!!!
well , vince himself always said he only ate 3 times a day.....
and he never denied druguse , nor talked much about it...
but you can see here what diet means in the equation... lol... NOT MUCH!!!
just get in calories, and a decent amount of protein and you are g2g!
and you have these gymrats that eat every 2 to 3 hours , dry boring foods lolol!!!
only thing that matters.... DRUGS!!!
and the right drugs, again look at the products mentioned in the cycle....
and then look at the bible......
SAME THING!!
gh15 = vince taylor!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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maybe steve is a hyper responder
Maybe steve can open a vial of tren, smell it, and he will grow
Or suck on an anapolan, and put it back in container and grow
:D :D :D
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In case you guys did not bother counting that is
8400 mg active substance aas weekly plus 18 iu's gh ... I would add slin as well in the 90's and 2000's
JFC
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I have seen Vince train about 25-30 times and it is true that he was quite lazy in the gym. I used to think "damn, he is doing a lot of warm up sets". Except those were his real sets.
I dont' know about his AAS use, but he was quite anal retentive in other regards. Constantly writing things in a little notebook after each set, constantly adjusting his gloves and shoe laces, etc...
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In case you guys did not bother counting that is
8400 mg active substance aas weekly plus 18 iu's gh ... I would add slin as well in the 90's and 2000's
JFC
would you throw in photoshopped pics
you lying gypsy scum :)
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would you throw in photoshopped pics
you lying gypsy scum :)
;D ;)
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well , vince himself always said he only ate 3 times a day.....
and he never denied druguse , nor talked much about it...
but you can see here what diet means in the equation... lol... NOT MUCH!!!
just get in calories, and a decent amount of protein and you are g2g!
and you have these gymrats that eat every 2 to 3 hours , dry boring foods lolol!!!
only thing that matters.... DRUGS!!!
and the right drugs, again look at the products mentioned in the cycle....
and then look at the bible......
SAME THING!!
gh15 = vince taylor!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
couldn't have said it any better myself. I want to toss my laptop every time i hear someone say "as long as diet is on point" as if they HAVE to eat 100% clean in order to see any results. Good thing I don't toss it, otherwise I'd be on my 500th laptop right now
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couldn't have said it any better myself. I want to toss my laptop every time i hear someone say "as long as diet is on point" as if they HAVE to eat 100% clean in order to see any results. Good thing I don't toss it, otherwise I'd be on my 500th laptop right now
lol!!! yes bro , me 2!
sometimes i see posts and i really start to think some people just can not read!
and can not think....
read some of the stuff in the bible... try it out, then everybody can see diet doesn't fucking matter... just eat good, eat healthy, but for gods sake treat yourself when you want...do not overeat and just use common sense....
life = to short to be eating dry rice and chicken every 2 to 3 hours lol!!!!
lot's of people missing out big time!!
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lol!!! yes bro , me 2!
sometimes i see posts and i really start to think some people just can not read!
and can not think....
read some of the stuff in the bible... try it out, then everybody can see diet doesn't fucking matter... just eat good, eat healthy, but for gods sake treat yourself when you want...do not overeat and just use common sense....
life = to short to be eating dry rice and chicken every 2 to 3 hours lol!!!!
lot's of people missing out big time!!
people are fools man. They are more concerned with impressing their internet buddies than thinking logically. Your diet depends mainly on what drugs you are on