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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SL1CED on April 07, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
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For one with a disgustingly and pathetically slow metabolism, recommendations?
Thinking 5 days at 12.5mcg, 5 days at 18.75 mcg(dosed at 6.25mcg per time), then 25mcg for about 35 days. Finally, 37.5mcg for 5-6 days, and tapering off of it over the course of 12 days reducing the dose every 2nd or third day.
Just looking for an HRT/average male metabolism. I'd say mine is pathetic...just terrible. Sedentary from age 8 to 19, so I'm prone to fat gains.
Does this sound good?
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Wow, what a coincidence. I have gh15's post about T3 on my copypaste, hope this helps:
effects = the best fat burning product on planet earth right there with ephedrine,,i would put it before ephedrine but the diff is t3 is merciless and ephedrine can be abused,,you will die/get sick but ephedrine can be abused,,t3 CANT
abusing t3,,iuncreasing doses to high ones if you dont have enough muscle mass for those doses and enough food around you,,will result in you losing fat and muscle at the same rate,, so doses for 200lb bodybuilder should be kept at25-75mcg 100mcg+ go for the bigger lifters and they better know how to use it right
what im trying to say in general is that if youre 210lb guy takin t3 at 200-300mcg a day,,you better sit in macdonalds for your 5 daily meals and order everything double,,there are people who do it and their excuse for them eating so much junk and staying so lean is stomack ulcers or problems from young age while in realiy they just overdose on t3 in addition to high metabolism to begin with in addition to lifting and looking athletic,,those are usually the people who look athletic and lean with veins sticking everywhere while eating junk all day none stop,,its a way to look decent but its not a way to be a bodybuilder
safety level is high if you know what you are doing,,takin 900mcg at one dose will result in problems for anyone,,its common used product and i yet to hear anyone having problem with using t3
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Thanks, my man. That's awesome, straight from god of hormonas himself.
Keeping it at 25mcg give or take 6.25mcg seems appropriate for my level of mass(lean 195lbs).
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What would be an HRT dose of T3? 25 mcg?
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What would be an HRT dose of T3? 25 mcg?
Actually it verys per individual. 25-50mcg, a rare few need 75mcg.
OP I would start with 25mcg if your think your thyroid is slow... Then in the spirit for Bodybuilding, do what we do best and up the dose for an advantage. Nothing crazy, 30/40mcg.
Alot of guys run 50mcg year round for a faster metabolism and the supposed effect on protein synthesis.
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T3 at 25 - 50 mcg is fantastic, great for staying energetic all day
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Compared to Ephedrine/ECA, do you guys think T3 is more or less effective?
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T3 works well with eca/Clem, I think that using both synergistically is best
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50 or 12.5 is a good long term dosage of the stuff. i don't think it's that great for cutting because it can leave you flat and weak pretty easily and very rapidly. unlike other fat burning drugs t3 will burn up muscle or fat just the same, so it's a poor choice for running high dosages of it when the goal is to cut down within weeks from a high BF. it works though and since steroids suppress thyroid output to some extent, it's not a bad drug to supplement year round
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50 or 12.5 is a good long term dosage of the stuff. i don't think it's that great for cutting because it can leave you flat and weak pretty easily and very rapidly. unlike other fat burning drugs t3 will burn up muscle or fat just the same, so it's a poor choice for running high dosages of it when the goal is to cut down within weeks from a high BF. it works though and since steroids suppress thyroid output to some extent, it's not a bad drug to supplement year round
I have ran t3 before and experience the flat muscle and possibly even some muscle loss. Currently I am running t3 with tren, tren makes t3 its bitch. Muscles are full, strength is staying the same and bf is melting off. I went up to 100mcg but didnt like how I felt and the sweats were bad combined with tren. Now I am hanging out at 70mcg.
At 100mcg I was losing 1-2lbs a day on a 2500 cal diet. Promise you, no lost muscle.
N yes I beleive t3 beats ECA but Ephedrine will always have its place in my heart for the appetite suppression. Unfortunatly when I tried to use it with my current t3/tren stack, my resting heart rate was around 150/160 the entire day.
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What would be an HRT dose of T3? 25 mcg?
No endocrinologist or GP starts someone off with T3, it's T4.
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I have ran t3 before and experience the flat muscle and possibly even some muscle loss. Currently I am running t3 with tren, tren makes t3 its bitch. Muscles are full, strength is staying the same and bf is melting off. I went up to 100mcg but didnt like how I felt and the sweats were bad combined with tren. Now I am hanging out at 70mcg.
At 100mcg I was losing 1-2lbs a day on a 2500 cal diet. Promise you, no lost muscle.
N yes I beleive t3 beats ECA but Ephedrine will always have its place in my heart for the appetite suppression. Unfortunatly when I tried to use it with my current t3/tren stack, my resting heart rate was around 150/160 the entire day.
Presently on Test/Tren, T3 75mcg ed (going down to 50mcg), and Clen @100-120mcg ed. Resting heart rate average between 107 - slows down by end of day. BP 100/60 average varies by a few points up and down over the last 2 months.
At those levels you mentioned, you will become a case study in the medical books. Heartbeat at that rate points to Ventricular tachycardia and dropping dead unexpectedly from a massive heart attack. Not kidding. Keep things in check. It happens more often than we think. We only ever hear it if it happens around major league sports. That was one of the reasons regulated dosages were reduced from 25mg to 8mg, because of the abuse.
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How badly will a moderate dose of T3 affect your thyroid after you go off? Not much I would assume?
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Presently on Test/Tren, T3 75mcg ed (going down to 50mcg), and Clen @100-120mcg ed. Resting heart rate average between 107 - slows down by end of day. BP 100/60 average varies by a few points up and down over the last 2 months.
At those levels you mentioned, you will become a case study in the medical books. Heartbeat at that rate points to Ventricular tachycardia and dropping dead unexpectedly from a massive heart attack. Not kidding. Keep things in check. It happens more often than we think. We only ever hear it if it happens around major league sports. That was one of the reasons regulated dosages were reduced from 25mg to 8mg, because of the abuse.
Yea I had posted about it elsewhere. Hence why my t3 dose is down to 70mcg now. Apparently I just cant hang with tren and t3 haha. If I added clen to it... heart attack for sure. Resting BP if around 100 now, fat loss is slower though, not a bad thing.
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How badly will a moderate dose of T3 affect your thyroid after you go off? Not much I would assume?
I'm sure everyone is different but I ran t3 for over a year straight at 100mcg and over. When I came off my levels went back to normal range. How long did it take to get back to normal range? I do not know precisely as I took the blood tests way after I came off.
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How badly will a moderate dose of T3 affect your thyroid after you go off? Not much I would assume?
Assuming you don't have an existing condition, it should bounce back in a few weeks.
I've used T3 for extended periods and never had any issues when i quit using it.
I don't recommend going over 100mcg per day.
T3 is more effective than Ephedrine/Clen IMO.
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How badly will a moderate dose of T3 affect your thyroid after you go off? Not much I would assume?
It's dosage dependent, and can take up to 3 months to normalize, according to medical research.
For me soon as i jump off T3 i go straight to T4, since i have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. So i have no problems with it. Before i was prescribed T4, and only using T3 from time to time - it took at least a few weeks to feel normal.
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Do you really gonna cut pills to get 6.25mcg?
and i see no point in go so slow just to get on 25mcg, just pop the pill and that's it.
massive dose at once can cause a problem. but 25mcg is fine, i mean do you know a lot of ppl who suffer from thyroid dysfunction and cut their own t3 pills? it's dosed as 25mcg for a reason...
and if you have sluggish metabolism from young age i see no point in this short term use....
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Do you really gonna cut pills to get 6.25mcg?
and i see no point in go so slow just to get on 25mcg, just pop the pill and that's it.
massive dose at once can cause a problem. but 25mcg is fine, i mean do you know a lot of ppl who suffer from thyroid dysfunction and cut their own t3 pills? it's dosed as 25mcg for a reason...
and if you have sluggish metabolism from young age i see no point in this short term use....
Right there with you. My thyroid was low last time I tested it, contemplating just staying on 100mcg of t4 year round and add in t3 here n there. Thing is, why not? We inject steroids to grow so why would we want a subpar metabolism to fuel the growth?
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I have ran t3 before and experience the flat muscle and possibly even some muscle loss. Currently I am running t3 with tren, tren makes t3 its bitch. Muscles are full, strength is staying the same and bf is melting off. I went up to 100mcg but didnt like how I felt and the sweats were bad combined with tren. Now I am hanging out at 70mcg.
At 100mcg I was losing 1-2lbs a day on a 2500 cal diet. Promise you, no lost muscle.
N yes I beleive t3 beats ECA but Ephedrine will always have its place in my heart for the appetite suppression. Unfortunatly when I tried to use it with my current t3/tren stack, my resting heart rate was around 150/160 the entire day.
14 pounds of fat lost per week, at 2500 calories/d and only 100mcg of t3? did you forget to also mention you had 2-3 sessions of liposuction lol
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Do you really gonna cut pills to get 6.25mcg?
and i see no point in go so slow just to get on 25mcg, just pop the pill and that's it.
massive dose at once can cause a problem. but 25mcg is fine, i mean do you know a lot of ppl who suffer from thyroid dysfunction and cut their own t3 pills? it's dosed as 25mcg for a reason...
and if you have sluggish metabolism from young age i see no point in this short term use....
I have a liquid version from a trusted RC site. So it's not hard to micro dose.
As for a response to your question...
Right there with you. My thyroid was low last time I tested it, contemplating just staying on 100mcg of t4 year round and add in t3 here n there. Thing is, why not? We inject steroids to grow so why would we want a subpar metabolism to fuel the growth?
I hear both of ya. I may start at 25mcg then, and use that tapering time as alloted before, to taper off.
I'll have it for 55 days. I'll go 25mcg for 35 days, 10 days at 37.5mcg, and 10 days at 50mcg. Then take 1-2 weeks to taper off from 50 to 40 to 30 to 20 to 12.5mcg. I was thinking staying on for the whole time, but I'd want pharm grade. I have a source for that, too. I just would rather wait and see how this treats me visually and internally.
I appreciate the advice, 25mcg split in two-three doses(three on off, two on workout days cause it's easier this way in regards to food).
My next question, is how do you dose it in regards to food how far off between eating? I heard 2 hours, but that's hard. Is an hour good enough?
Thinking 12.5mcg pre-workout/pre-cardio(which is about 75-90 after my last meal and about 1.5 hours before my pwo meal) and 12.5mcg in the evening around 6:30. I finish eating dinner at 5:30 usually, and my next dinner is usually at 8. I go to bed around 10.
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t3 is unstable in liquid form unless the people making it have a firm grasp on chemistry and use other chemicals, buffers, to stabilize it. depends how good the RC company is, but a lot of them are just schmoes ordering powder from china and dumping it into a vial and why a lot of liquid research drugs are so ineffective compared to pharm grade.
you don't need to taper t3 up or taper it down since it's still going to be suppressing the thyroid regardless. full recovery is 2-5 weeks once you come off
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t3 is unstable in liquid form unless the people making it have a firm grasp on chemistry and use other chemicals, buffers, to stabilize it. depends how good the RC company is, but a lot of them are just schmoes ordering powder from china and dumping it into a vial and why a lot of liquid research drugs are so ineffective compared to pharm grade.
you don't need to taper t3 up or taper it down since it's still going to be suppressing the thyroid regardless. full recovery is 2-5 weeks once you come off
Oh ok, thanks.
As for stability, it's from a highly trusted source I've had great success with. A source on a community where if it's not legit, I can be make it known WITHOUT them deleting it. >:(
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I'm sure everyone is different but I ran t3 for over a year straight at 100mcg and over. When I came off my levels went back to normal range. How long did it take to get back to normal range? I do not know precisely as I took the blood tests way after I came off.
Assuming you don't have an existing condition, it should bounce back in a few weeks.
I've used T3 for extended periods and never had any issues when i quit using it.
I don't recommend going over 100mcg per day.
T3 is more effective than Ephedrine/Clen IMO.
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I'm sure everyone is different but I ran t3 for over a year straight at 100mcg and over. When I came off my levels went back to normal range. How long did it take to get back to normal range? I do not know precisely as I took the blood tests way after I came off.
NIce, thanks fellas. I have some laying around I think I may give it a go soon.
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14 pounds of fat lost per week, at 2500 calories/d and only 100mcg of t3? did you forget to also mention you had 2-3 sessions of liposuction lol
What reason would I have to lie? Does it make me look cool if I can lose 14lbs in a week? On 100mcg of t3 and tren I was losing 1-2lbs a day at the start ( after I had already lost water weight ).
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The 2lbs/day thing stops after the t3 eats all your ATP and you start looking flat.
Im on tren, I dont look flat. I have been on t3 before and experienced the flat look. Im certainly not flat on tren, even when the t3 was at 100mcg.
Its soo funny how you share your experience for others to read and then people just want to call bullshit. Dont beleive me? Go do it yourself, tren/t3 and a strict diet.
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What reason would I have to lie? Does it make me look cool if I can lose 14lbs in a week? On 100mcg of t3 and tren I was losing 1-2lbs a day at the start ( after I had already lost water weight ).
How much tren?
I have a liquid version from a trusted RC site. So it's not hard to micro dose.
As for a response to your question...
I hear both of ya. I may start at 25mcg then, and use that tapering time as alloted before, to taper off.
I'll have it for 55 days. I'll go 25mcg for 35 days, 10 days at 37.5mcg, and 10 days at 50mcg. Then take 1-2 weeks to taper off from 50 to 40 to 30 to 20 to 12.5mcg. I was thinking staying on for the whole time, but I'd want pharm grade. I have a source for that, too. I just would rather wait and see how this treats me visually and internally.
I appreciate the advice, 25mcg split in two-three doses(three on off, two on workout days cause it's easier this way in regards to food).
My next question, is how do you dose it in regards to food how far off between eating? I heard 2 hours, but that's hard. Is an hour good enough?
Thinking 12.5mcg pre-workout/pre-cardio(which is about 75-90 after my last meal and about 1.5 hours before my pwo meal) and 12.5mcg in the evening around 6:30. I finish eating dinner at 5:30 usually, and my next dinner is usually at 8. I go to bed around 10.
Some endo told me that it doesn't matter yet i still take it on empty stomach (3hr without food) and wait 1hr after.
would like to hear more opinions about it...
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How much tren?
Some endo told me that it doesn't matter yet i still take it on empty stomach (3hr without food) and wait 1hr after.
would like to hear more opinions about it...
I stayed full with 525mg of tren in the gym, I went to 700mg and I stayed full outside of the gym as well ( aka not just pumped ). Thing is I beleive my gear is underdosed, I would expect its more like 75mg per ML instead of 100mg so add that into the equation.
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I stayed full with 525mg of tren in the gym, I went to 700mg and I stayed full outside of the gym as well ( aka not just pumped ). Thing is I beleive my gear is underdosed, I would expect its more like 75mg per ML instead of 100mg so add that into the equation.
Whose are you using?
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Whose are you using?
Ill pm you. Its not a mainstream here, just used him for an emergency. The gear is legit, I just feel its a tad low. Dont want to trash anyone on an open board though.
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I have ran t3 before and experience the flat muscle and possibly even some muscle loss. Currently I am running t3 with tren, tren makes t3 its bitch. Muscles are full, strength is staying the same and bf is melting off. I went up to 100mcg but didnt like how I felt and the sweats were bad combined with tren. Now I am hanging out at 70mcg.
At 100mcg I was losing 1-2lbs a day on a 2500 cal diet. Promise you, no lost muscle.
N yes I beleive t3 beats ECA but Ephedrine will always have its place in my heart for the appetite suppression. Unfortunatly when I tried to use it with my current t3/tren stack, my resting heart rate was around 150/160 the entire day.
Isn't this flat look purely dose dependent? Someone like Smoof who just uses replacement dose at 12.5mcg because of all the gh/tren he is using is alot different than using 50+mcg. If you are on gear and not dieting/cutting carbs (in a caloric deficit) is 25mcg t3 going to leave you flat?
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Isn't this flat look purely dose dependent? Someone like Smoof who just uses replacement dose at 12.5mcg because of all the gh/tren he is using is alot different than using 50+mcg. If you are on gear and not dieting/cutting carbs (in a caloric deficit) is 25mcg t3 going to leave you flat?
25mcg will do nothing but suppress your thyroid near fully as it's a replacement dosage, essentially the equivalent to an average person's thyroid output (caveat being people have different functioning thyroids and thyroid meds are all different potencies and bioavailability).
tren can, and does suppress the thyroid, likewise all stimulants do to some extent as well, so it's not entirely a waste for bodybuilders whom are running the cocktail of drugs they normally do. i'm not sure if a person's body signaling to lower TSH, for example decreasing thyroid output by half, and then running 12.5mcg t3 will further suppress the thyroid to zero output, but i assume it does and so i think for a person whose thyroid is being suppressed by drugs should probably just run replacement dosage or none at all.
also, t3 needs to be taken on an empty stomach in the morning, as it gets absorbed in the stomach and certain minerals will interfere with it's absorption, more so when you take research company levothyroxine (which is what they all buy from china). MP is legit and the only RC i'd use, but i get my t3 from ADC now, i prefer it since it's pharm grade, B+ pharmaceutical quality but still a step-up from RC.
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What reason would I have to lie? Does it make me look cool if I can lose 14lbs in a week? On 100mcg of t3 and tren I was losing 1-2lbs a day at the start ( after I had already lost water weight ).
i didn't say you were a liar and i don't know why you came to that conclusion or why there's such a strong prevalence here where people feel a disagreement in opinion is a personal attack on someone's character. i just feel the amount of bodyfat lost of the 14 pounds was highly over estimated. swings in water weight can easily obfuscate actual bodyfat levels and i'm guilty of over/underestimating my bodyfat quite often as i think everyone is.
14 pounds of pure, actual bodyfat lost, is going from a relatively soft physique with abs, to andreas munzer level of conditioning in a single week, it's pushing the limits of whats even physiologically possible and with a relatively low dosage too
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i didn't say you were a liar and i don't know why you came to that conclusion or why there's such a strong prevalence here where people feel a disagreement in opinion is a personal attack on someone's character. i just feel the amount of bodyfat lost of the 14 pounds was highly over estimated. swings in water weight can easily obfuscate actual bodyfat levels and i'm guilty of over/underestimating my bodyfat quite often as i think everyone is.
14 pounds of pure, actual bodyfat lost, is going from a relatively soft physique with abs, to andreas munzer level of conditioning in a single week, it's pushing the limits of whats even physiologically possible and with a relatively low dosage too
Lol, you didnt say I am a liar? Are you really trying to sugar coat a piece of shit and sell it as candy?
Where did I ONCE say I was losing 1-2lbs of FAT per day? Hmm? I dont care where the weight came from, its not hard to step on a scale and factor in that you lost 1 or 2lbs since the previous day. All I did was report what happend to me, take it or leave it I truely dont care lol.
Edit - Im not trying to come off as a dick. I just dont have a reason to lie. Do I think the weight would have continued at that rate? No but I wasnt comfortable going that fast either. Something else to consider I was about 16/17% when I started the t3, so I could run it higher with more fat for it to chew through. It brought me down to 12/13% very fast even when I lowered to 70, diet was on point though. Now I am eating a little over maintinence just to get some experience with what tren can do at 700mg with a little t3 for fat loss without a calorie deficit.
Again, sorry. Your right you were just voicing your view and it wasnt a personal attack.
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Always take T3 on an empty stomach. As pellius pointed out.
My endo swears by taking thyroid meds on an empty stomach and split the doses twice a day.
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Right there with you. My thyroid was low last time I tested it, contemplating just staying on 100mcg of t4 year round and add in t3 here n there. Thing is, why not? We inject steroids to grow so why would we want a subpar metabolism to fuel the growth?
Don't use the T4/T3 simultaneously. When looking to cut add the T3, drop the T4.
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t3 is unstable in liquid form unless the people making it have a firm grasp on chemistry and use other chemicals, buffers, to stabilize it. depends how good the RC company is, but a lot of them are just schmoes ordering powder from china and dumping it into a vial and why a lot of liquid research drugs are so ineffective compared to pharm grade.
you don't need to taper t3 up or taper it down since it's still going to be suppressing the thyroid regardless. full recovery is 2-5 weeks once you come off
I've used T3 tabs numerous times pharma grade, as well as T3 dispensed in liquid form from various labs. Efficacy of the T3 was not affected.
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Im on tren, I dont look flat. I have been on t3 before and experienced the flat look. Im certainly not flat on tren, even when the t3 was at 100mcg.
That's quite a dramatic fat loss sector.
I am using the T3 (75mcg - now down to 50mcg ed) with Tren E (started with 200mg for 7-8 weeks now 400mg weekly). The effect was most dramatic in the beginning. Now losing about a 1lb a week.
I was hovering in the mid-high 230s the week before i started, at this stage i was on tren for about 6 weeks. This morning 221-222lb with top two abs visible, and all the lines on the abdominal wall. I have been on the T3 since Mid February and then added clen a few weeks later.
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I'm on the 25cmg but thinking about upping to 50cmg what sides are you likely to get ? I've been on 25 for a couple of weeks eating clean and doing lots of cardio but the t3 really hasn't done alot for me at 25???Dropped gh out and added tren to try and drop all excessive water bloat but prehAps the gh was doing more more for me than I gave it credit for because I'm eating less but not as sharp round the ab section as I was?
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I'm on the 25cmg but thinking about upping to 50cmg what sides are you likely to get ? I've been on 25 for a couple of weeks eating clean and doing lots of cardio but the t3 really hasn't done alot for me at 25???Dropped gh out and added tren to try and drop all excessive water bloat but prehAps the gh was doing more more for me than I gave it credit for because I'm eating less but not as sharp round the ab section as I was?
25mcg is a replacement dose, even less then a replacement dose for some. 50mcg will give you the results your wanting and it wont have any sides, if it does they will be more then bareable.
Randy - thats steady progress. I have to ask whats your diet like? You just eating maintinenece/above?
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I'm on the 25cmg but thinking about upping to 50cmg what sides are you likely to get ? I've been on 25 for a couple of weeks eating clean and doing lots of cardio but the t3 really hasn't done alot for me at 25???Dropped gh out and added tren to try and drop all excessive water bloat but prehAps the gh was doing more more for me than I gave it credit for because I'm eating less but not as sharp round the ab section as I was?
hands shaking
fingers going blue - happened to a colleague who was using 100mcg ed @160lb
joint pain
For me a little shaking of the hands(endocrinologist noted this), and joint pain (could be the arimidex too).
Up the dosage to 50-75mcg ed to really get in the fat burning zone. No need to taper or divide dosages. Take on empty stomach in morning 1hr before meals.
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I've used T3 tabs numerous times pharma grade, as well as T3 dispensed in liquid form from various labs. Efficacy of the T3 was not affected.
did you not read the next damn words in the sentence before you decided to quote me and disagree with what i said
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did you not read the next damn words in the sentence before you decided to quote me and disagree with what i said
Why so touchy? ::)
I simply stated
"I've used T3 tabs numerous times pharma grade, as well as T3 dispensed in liquid form from various labs. Efficacy of the T3 was not affected."
that i never had that problem and my experience. I did not agree or disagree with you.
Since you're asking - T3 being dispensed in a liquid has never been an issue, as long as it is dosed correctly to the micro gram. Every mom and pop lab is producing it. It doesn't take one with a physicist's degree to drop the powder in a liquid.
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I simply stated
"I've used T3 tabs numerous times pharma grade, as well as T3 dispensed in liquid form from various labs. Efficacy of the T3 was not affected."
that i never had that problem and my experience. I did not agree or disagree with you.
Then why did you bold the part where he said he didnt think it was stable and then voice your experience? Choosing to voice your experiencing after quoting him and bolding a particular line clearly indicates you disagree.
So much backpeddling around here lol
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Then why did you bold the part where he said he didnt think it was stable and then voice your experience? Choosing to voice your experiencing after quoting him and bolding a particular line clearly indicates you disagree.
So much backpeddling around here lol
Oh god ... not you now sector. ;D
You just did that above when someone misinterpreted you as losing 1-2 lbs each day. I saw it the same way. However, someone had already pointed it out.
"At 100mcg I was losing 1-2lbs a day on a 2500 cal diet."
Talking about backpeddling - read that again sector how does it come across. So you were losing 7-14lb each week?
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Oh god ... not you now sector. ;D
You just did that above when someone misinterpreted you as losing 1-2 lbs each day.
"At 100mcg I was losing 1-2lbs a day on a 2500 cal diet."
Talking about backpeddling - read that again sector how does it come across. So you were losing 7-14lb each week?
I know, it was to him too :P
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Bro, let's not all get tied up in this. We are simply trying to share and help each other out. Sometimes our words can come across a little differently, than we intend.
To the above gentleman. I simply said i've never had that issue. I've dealt with a lot of different labs, and have directly gotten T3 and T4 from the pharmacy. Nor did i ever come across anecdotal evidence that the efficacy of the T3 is affected in a liquid solution, until today. It's in fact a very simple process.
Anyways,
Let's all learn to agree to disagree. 8)
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Bro, let's not all get tied up in this. We are simply trying to share and help each other out. Sometimes our words can come across a little differently, than we intend.
To the above gentlemen. I simply said i've never had that issue. I've dealt with a lot of different labs, and have directly gotten T3 and T4 from the pharmacy. Nor did i ever come across anecdotal evidence that the efficacy of the T3 is affected in a liquid solution, until today. It's in fact a very simple process.
Anyways,
Let's all learn to agree to disagree. 8)
I think your alright lol, he isnt getting butthurt over nething, neither am I and neither are you. Just another thread with different viewpoints.
Liquid works for me, I have never tried pharma though so perhaps its a different experience. I will find out soon.
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Why so touchy? ::)
I simply stated
"I've used T3 tabs numerous times pharma grade, as well as T3 dispensed in liquid form from various labs. Efficacy of the T3 was not affected."
that i never had that problem and my experience. I did not agree or disagree with you.
Since you're asking - T3 being dispensed in a liquid has never been an issue, as long as it is dosed correctly to the micro gram. Every mom and pop lab is producing it. It doesn't take one with a physicist's degree to drop the powder in a liquid.
i know it can be stable in liquid solution, but often it isn't and i'm just warning people about the fact that levothyroxin sodium (t3) is particularly unstable in liquid and often times the RCs (usually 3-4 bros ordering raw powders from china) just dumping it into a solution, isn't going to yield a very stable or good drug. even pharm companies have trouble with stabilizing it as a pressed tab, and as a result there's huge variance between t3 quality and potency with pharm grade t3.
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It's easy to miss the point or context on an internet forum. That is why we have a lot of pissing matches on here. I think most of us read so fast that we miss the point entirely most of the time.
That being said, i'm glad you guys are working with each other instead of going after each others throat. There is nothing wrong with a good debate, but it makes me proud to see you guys move in the right direction.
Carry on...I think i had a moment. ;D
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i know it can be stable in liquid solution, but often it isn't and i'm just warning people about the fact that levothyroxin sodium (t3) is particularly unstable in liquid and often times the RCs (usually 3-4 bros ordering raw powders from china) just dumping it into a solution, isn't going to yield a very stable or good drug. even pharm companies have trouble with stabilizing it as a pressed tab, and as a result there's huge variance between t3 quality and potency with pharm grade t3.
The source you mentioned as a RC, is the one I am using. I could get pharm grade, have two legit sources for it, but cannot take the T/A time. It's about 3-4 weeks either ways, too long for me.
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i know it can be stable in liquid solution, but often it isn't and i'm just warning people about the fact that levothyroxin sodium (t3) is particularly unstable in liquid and often times the RCs (usually 3-4 bros ordering raw powders from china) just dumping it into a solution, isn't going to yield a very stable or good drug. even pharm companies have trouble with stabilizing it as a pressed tab, and as a result there's huge variance between t3 quality and potency with pharm grade t3.
You know now that I think about it I have had a very good companies t3 lose potency rather quickly a long time ago. The one I use now is suspending in alchohol or some shit and even 6 months later it seems spot on.
I think your right to warn people though because all too often guys learn about research websites and just use the first one they see for anything they carry and something like t3 we want to be dosing properly, same with clen for that matter or a SERM.
Overload - Cute... lol :P
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You know now that I think about it I have had a very good companies t3 lose potency rather quickly a long time ago. The one I use now is suspending in alchohol or some shit and even 6 months later it seems spot on.
I think your right to warn people though because all too often guys learn about research websites and just use the first one they see for anything they carry and something like t3 we want to be dosing properly, same with clen for that matter or a SERM.
Overload - Cute... lol :P
liquid caber is another one. i had accidentally ordered liquid caber instead of tab/capsule and yeah, it didn't do jack squat. really hate prami though, even the smallest amount makes it difficult to sleep, yet i'm exhausted all day long and then the nausea - uhg!
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The source you mentioned as a RC, is the one I am using. I could get pharm grade, have two legit sources for it, but cannot take the T/A time. It's about 3-4 weeks either ways, too long for me.
he is without question the best RC i've used. i've spoken with him a few times as well, he's a real bro who actually cares about the customers.
never used his liquid t3 though, or is he making pressed tabs again for the t3?
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liquid caber is another one. i had accidentally ordered liquid caber instead of tab/capsule and yeah, it didn't do jack squat. really hate prami though, even the smallest amount makes it difficult to sleep, yet i'm exhausted all day long and then the nausea - uhg!
I actually switched recently to prami simply because I didnt trust my caber for shit after reading around. I cant tell if trens giving me shit sleep or caber but I cant wait till summer when I drop my HGH dose PWO instead of in the AM. Hoping that will help me sleep better? If not I will have to split it 5iu post workout 3 iu prior to bed cause I am not dealing with this shit for all of summer haha.
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run the gh before bed. doesn't make a difference when you inject the GH, i personally feel it works better at night due to the fact you sleep better and the increase release of free fatty acids at night coincides with your bodies metabolism shifting to running on fat when sleeping. you lose out on 0.5iu at the very max for a natural nighttime sleeping emission of gh, not a big deal.
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Does caber give you insomnia? Would explain why I've been up for 36 hours straight and I'm still not tired...
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not insomnia, feels more like trensomnia in that you can sleep for a little while but then get kicked out of sleep. at least that's what happens when i use prami. happens because when the drug gets metabolized in the body, the body releases adrenaline, so you get both the exhaustion from dopamine receptors being activated and then shots of adrenaline randomly, makes you feel like shit. i hate prami
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run the gh before bed. doesn't make a difference when you inject the GH, i personally feel it works better at night due to the fact you sleep better and the increase release of free fatty acids at night coincides with your bodies metabolism shifting to running on bodyfat when sleeping. you lose out on 0.5iu at the very max for a natural nighttime sleeping emission of gh, not a big deal.
How do you every have an empty stomach at night though? For me my food staggers and I eat most of it at night. Then again, if the insomnia is bad enough... Id probly use some self control to earn some sleep. Thanks for the advice.
Huh fuck man, here I thought prami was awesome. Think it would help to dose in the AM? If you can get past the sleepyness it induces.
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How do you every have an empty stomach at night though? For me my food staggers and I eat most of it at night. Then again, if the insomnia is bad enough... Id probly use some self control to earn some sleep. Thanks for the advice.
Huh fuck man, here I thought prami was awesome. Think it would help to dose in the AM? If you can get past the sleepyness it induces.
what do you mean about the empty stomach at night? depends what i eat and how much i eat throughout the day that dictates my hunger cravings. if i eat real good quality food, steak and potatos type of meal, then i'm set and don't get any hunger pangs. if i eat pizzas and donuts, yeah, i'm hungry as fuck all the time even though i'm eating more calories. has to do with insulin resistance build up and also the high GI food and high glycemic load forcing the body to quickly dump the carbs rather than utilize them properly.
yeah i'd dose prami in the morning always, i can't sleep on it. dose it in the morning and take a handful of ephedrine and drink some caffeine. does the trick.
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what do you mean about the empty stomach at night? depends what i eat and how much i eat throughout the day that dictates my hunger cravings. if i eat real good quality food, steak and potatos type of meal, then i'm set and don't get any hunger pangs. if i eat pizzas and donuts, yeah, i'm hungry as fuck all the time even though i'm eating more calories. has to do with insulin resistance build up and also the high GI food and high glycemic load forcing the body to quickly dump the carbs rather than utilize them properly.
yeah i'd dose prami in the morning always, i can't sleep on it. dose it in the morning and take a handful of ephedrine and drink some caffeine. does the trick.
Oh no I was reffering to the HGH shot. Unless you dont beleive it needs to be dosed without carbs in the system/not eating carbs within 20-30 minutes after. Hard for me to not have food in me in the evenings, thats when I pound most of my cals if I am "bulking".
I will skip the prami tonight n try it in the am, maybe the 70mcg t3 I am on will get me through, if not ill use caffeine first. Might of just saved my ass, I have been sick for a solid 3 weeks off and on with 2 different viruses of sorts and I am blaming my sleep largely for it.
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no reason to dose gh before meals, that only applies to the GH releasing peptides. if you have synthetic, 191aa GH then it can be used whenever you want, granted some methods more effective.
i like it before bed. i don't think i'm the greatest responder to gh or steroids like other people i know who respond amazingly, but 3iu is enough to knock me out if i take it before bed. 4 hours of sleep is enough for me to feel refreshed, it's amazing.
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no reason to dose gh before meals, that only applies to the GH releasing peptides. if you have synthetic, 191aa GH then it can be used whenever you want, granted some methods more effective.
i like it before bed. i don't think i'm the greatest responder to gh or steroids like other people i know who respond amazingly, but 3iu is enough to knock me out if i take it before bed. 4 hours of sleep is enough for me to feel refreshed, it's amazing.
Currently on 4iu "cruise" so to speak, I am going to skip my AM dose on my next offday and hit it at night n see what it does for me. Thanks.
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Anybody ever get dizzy spells from high doses of T3? I'm getting them lately from time to time and I'm thinking it's the T3. I'll back it down 50mcg to 100mcg and report back if y'all are interested.
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Anybody ever get dizzy spells from high doses of T3? I'm getting them lately from time to time and I'm thinking it's the T3. I'll back it down 50mcg to 100mcg and report back if y'all are interested.
Nope, I'm on 175 mcg and I'm fine
Sorry Boss
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Anybody ever get dizzy spells from high doses of T3? I'm getting them lately from time to time and I'm thinking it's the T3. I'll back it down 50mcg to 100mcg and report back if y'all are interested.
Whats your calorie intake like and what anabolics are you on in what doses?
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Isn't this flat look purely dose dependent? Someone like Smoof who just uses replacement dose at 12.5mcg because of all the gh/tren he is using is alot different than using 50+mcg. If you are on gear and not dieting/cutting carbs (in a caloric deficit) is 25mcg t3 going to leave you flat?
I've read from fairly credible sources (Lewellyn's old board) that t4 is not stable in liquid and the stuff you buy from research companies is poop. But now I read that the same applies to t3. Do you believe that? If that's the case there's a lot of poop t3/t4 going around. I always thought the main concern with t3 from reserch companies was proper dosing. That they're not sophisticated enough to dose mcg accurately.
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25mcg is a replacement dose, even less then a replacement dose for some. 50mcg will give you the results your wanting and it wont have any sides, if it does they will be more then bareable.
Randy - thats steady progress. I have to ask whats your diet like? You just eating maintinenece/above?
Not trying to start a fight just a sincere question: how do you know what the replacement dose is? I've always heard it was around 12.5 mcg. Also, if you are continual on juice and hgh isn't your thyroid going to be suppressed anyway and it makes sense to take 25mcg continuously as well?
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I've read from fairly credible sources (Lewellyn's old board) that t4 is not stable in liquid and the stuff you buy from research companies is poop. But now I read that the same applies to t3. Do you believe that? If that's the case there's a lot of poop t3/t4 going around. I always thought the main concern with t3 from reserch companies was proper dosing. That they're not sophisticated enough to dose mcg accurately.
Cant speak for t4 yet but liquid t3 definatly works. The only issue I seem to have with it is the added fillers make me sick/week when I first start taking it. The only t3 I have used that hasnt degraded or loss potency over time was one suspended in alcohol or something. Sucks downing it every day.
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You know now that I think about it I have had a very good companies t3 lose potency rather quickly a long time ago. The one I use now is suspending in alchohol or some shit and even 6 months later it seems spot on.
I think your right to warn people though because all too often guys learn about research websites and just use the first one they see for anything they carry and something like t3 we want to be dosing properly, same with clen for that matter or a SERM.
Overload - Cute... lol :P
Since t3 is not a controlled substance it would be very helpful to know which research company to trust.
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Not trying to start a fight just a sincere question: how do you know what the replacement dose is? I've always heard it was around 12.5 mcg. Also, if you are continual on juice and hgh isn't your thyroid going to be suppressed anyway and it makes sense to take 25mcg continuously as well?
I truely beleive if your on hgh and/or tren as well as gear year round that it makes 100% sense to supplement your thyroid. To either replace it back to normal because it will indeed be supressed over time depending on your compounds or to give yourself a slight advantage.
The replacement dose is different for everyone. Typically 25mcg puts guys in a good range with bloodwork to prove it, some need more to be in the same exact range. Heavy Iron for instance, some of you may know him hes a very knowledgable dude on several forums, it takes him 50mcg to be in the same range that someone else can get at 25mcg. So really you would need bloodwork to check but 25-50mcg is the most common replacement dose, 50mcg being on the high end.
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Since t3 is not a controlled substance it would be very helpful to know which research company to trust.
I will vouch for Gen x chemicals then. Taste like ass but it simply doesnt let me down.
I would opt for pharm grade ten times over and would trust it more so then research liquids but... beggers cant be choosers and if I have to use a research company I stick with ar-r ( expensive ) or Gen X ( atleast as far as t3 goes ). Ar-r I trust with SERMS.
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I'm on the 25cmg but thinking about upping to 50cmg what sides are you likely to get ? I've been on 25 for a couple of weeks eating clean and doing lots of cardio but the t3 really hasn't done alot for me at 25???Dropped gh out and added tren to try and drop all excessive water bloat but prehAps the gh was doing more more for me than I gave it credit for because I'm eating less but not as sharp round the ab section as I was?
Increased HR
increased and almost uncontrollable hunger
Nope, I'm on 175 mcg and I'm fine
Sorry Boss
lol no one can beat you dose wise ;D
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I will vouch for Gen x chemicals then. Taste like ass but it simply doesnt let me down.
I would opt for pharm grade ten times over and would trust it more so then research liquids but... beggers cant be choosers and if I have to use a research company I stick with ar-r ( expensive ) or Gen X ( atleast as far as t3 goes ). Ar-r I trust with SERMS.
There was a well know company that sold out to another an recently became purity solutions. I'm considering taking a low dose thyroid because according to my blood test my TSH is very high but my thyroid, though within range, is on the low side. It's like the gland is working in over drive but is not able to produce a high amount. I figure by supplementing it with t3 it will bring down my TSH since my thyroid levels itself will be higher due to supplementation.
I thing I like about about Purity Solutions is that they post their lab tests on their products. Of course, it's always suspect because it's coming from the company itself but it's more than what others are doing.
https://www.mcssl.com/content/181468/test-result-pdfs/Liothyronine_results.pdf
http://www.purity-solutions.net/liothyronine-t3.html
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There was a well know company that sold out to another an recently became purity solutions. I'm considering taking a low dose thyroid because according to my blood test my TSH is very high but my thyroid, though within range, is on the low side. It's like the gland is working in over drive but is not able to produce a high amount. I figure by supplementing it with t3 it will bring down my TSH since my thyroid levels itself will be higher due to supplementation.
I thing I like about about Purity Solutions is that they post their lab tests on their products. Of course, it's always suspect because it's coming from the company itself but it's more than what others are doing.
https://www.mcssl.com/content/181468/test-result-pdfs/Liothyronine_results.pdf
http://www.purity-solutions.net/liothyronine-t3.html
Keep in mind I have no hidden motive here but I post alot on a board that purity solutions sponsors on and it didnt take long for alot of the more advanced members to stear clear of them. I have not payed attention to any particular complaints I just know that when the company first started sponsoring on the board it was a big deal, now the regulars in the know have gone back to their old research sources.
Bottom line is you will know through experience and if your looking to do your own HRT then simply pick the research site you have a gut feeling about and test your thyroid after administering their product for a week or two.
I would love to just go pharm but I dont have any international mail now and it would be best to keep it that way.
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Keep in mind I have no hidden motive here but I post alot on a board that purity solutions sponsors on and it didnt take long for alot of the more advanced members to stear clear of them. I have not payed attention to any particular complaints I just know that when the company first started sponsoring on the board it was a big deal, now the regulars in the know have gone back to their old research sources.
Bottom line is you will know through experience and if your looking to do your own HRT then simply pick the research site you have a gut feeling about and test your thyroid after administering their product for a week or two.
I would love to just go pharm but I dont have any international mail now and it would be best to keep it that way.
Oh crap. They look so legit. Nice clean professional site. And the test results look very impressive. PM me the site you mentioned as I'm not able to find is via google.
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NOT LEGIT.
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i've used purity solutions, they aren't very good. they make up for quality of product with fancy labels and boxes but they were actually the place i ordered liquid caber from and it was completely bunk.
either pharm grade or MP for me from now on.
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Oh crap. They look so legit. Nice clean professional site. And the test results look very impressive. PM me the site you mentioned as I'm not able to find is via google.
there are a lot of research companies that post fake lab assays. i've used a few and the quality that they claimed, and that was shown by lab results, was completely different from the product which often had dust and lint floating in it.
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Whats your calorie intake like and what anabolics are you on in what doses?
My intake is approx. 1600 with 120g of carbs (so it's not me being hypo) at 210 lbs 15% bf. I just yesterday switched from eq 600, tren a 700, test p 150 +gh 5ius ED to Tren a 700, Mast P 700, Test P 175, gh 5 ius- it's not my blood pressure (my first thought & I checked it) since I'm on meds for that (lisinpril and dyazide mix).
Yesterday I made this post after I remembered having the same symptoms a few years ago when I had the t3 at 150-175.....
thoughts?
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lol no one can beat you dose wise ;D
Haha!!
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My intake is approx. 1600 with 120g of carbs (so it's not me being hypo) at 210 lbs 15% bf. I just yesterday switched from eq 600, tren a 700, test p 150 +gh 5ius ED to Tren a 700, Mast P 700, Test P 175, gh 5 ius- it's not my blood pressure (my first thought & I checked it) since I'm on meds for that (lisinpril and dyazide mix).
Yesterday I made this post after I remembered having the same symptoms a few years ago when I had the t3 at 150-175.....
thoughts?
if i take enough t3 and don't eat i'll get dizzy as well, yeah. eventually it will lead to my ears ringing and then the room spinning if i don't get enough food. granted, i was running dnp too, but t3 by itself at high dosages does it to me as well (just not as profound with ringing ears and feeling as if death was imminent lol)
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if i take enough t3 and don't eat i'll get dizzy as well, yeah. eventually it will lead to my ears ringing and then the room spinning if i don't get enough food. granted, i was running dnp too, but t3 by itself at high dosages does it to me as well (just not as profound with ringing ears and feeling as if death was imminent lol)
Agree with this. For me anything past 100mcg and I start to feel like what aesthetics said. Its managable but its just not worth it for me to feel that "off".
Ill add to that, 1600 calories is pretty damn low while on t3 and could easily explain the symptoms you posted. I am about to try something similar on 70mcg though.
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Agree with this. For me anything past 100mcg and I start to feel like what aesthetics said. Its managable but its just not worth it for me to feel that "off".
Ill add to that, 1600 calories is pretty damn low while on t3 and could easily explain the symptoms you posted. I am about to try something similar on 70mcg though.
Typically, I'd start at a higher caloric number when beginning to diet but i'm going to implement Bulsemo's approach to dieting here for a change just to test it out.
I'll see how the 50mcg drop does me for a few days and go from there...
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How did you like the t3/dnp together and what doses were you running?
i tried every dosing combination but i liked low dose t3, low dose DNP and high dose gh. combined with intermittent fasting, and alternate day fasting. calories were on the very low side, 2.5k max on feed days, 0-400 on other days. caffeine + ephedrine for energy and to deal with hunger.
that works best for me, i'd lose about 1-1.5% bf per week with absolutely minimal effort, could lose more if i really felt like doing cardio. i feel good and i can actually workout as opposed to feeling like i'm dying when i run higher dosages of the thermogenics.
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i tried every dosing combination but i liked low dose t3, low dose DNP and high dose gh. combined with intermittent fasting, and alternate day fasting. calories were on the very low side, 2.5k max on feed days, 0-400 on other days. caffeine + ephedrine for energy and to deal with hunger.
that works best for me, i'd lose about 1-1.5% bf per week with absolutely minimal effort, could lose more if i really felt like doing cardio. i feel good and i can actually workout as opposed to feeling like i'm dying when i run higher dosages of the thermogenics.
What was the dosage on the dnp? 200mg ED? At that dose I can barely feel the heat but it's doing it's job I suppose.
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500mg/d for the dnp. when you are barely eating, you can definitely feel the effects of dnp even if it's not heat. about the body heat: it only really starts to become prevalent when eating carbs, and you can run very high dosages while in keto without getting very warm (hint: something to keep in mind for summer or warm climate usage)
i personally think 750mg-1g is the sweet spot for DNP solo, but, the lethargy gets pretty bad at that dosage and training suffers, which in turn means no more actual fat loss than running say, 250mg or 500mg and doing cardio or training balls out. when you start to run higher dosages of the DNP then clen or an amphetamine is required just to have any energy at all to function in the day, but, it's difficult for me to train on clen as i get lightheaded easily. my philosophy has changed a bit and i'm shifting more towards running lower dosages and training harder rather than the other way around :)
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I hate this dosing way with MP's. Cannot really tell what's .5ml, going to have to figure something else out.
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I hate this dosing way with MP's. Cannot really tell what's .5ml, going to have to figure something else out.
get an oral syringe from cvs or something? probably can draw it up with a 3ml syringe without the needle attached, never tried it though.
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get an oral syringe from cvs or something? probably can draw it up with a 3ml syringe without the needle attached, never tried it though.
Im assuming MP comes with droppers for their liquids? What you said about the syringe will work, I usually use insulin syringes if I dont have an oral syringe on hand.
Whats the verdict on MP? I want to use them so I can stop using effing liquids but I am a little worried about the accuracy of their dosing. Merely from reading the occasional complaint ( Hard not to get any complaints, esp with competition out there so it could be nothing ).
I prefer to do IF when cutting as well, something about it is just so much easier.
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Im assuming MP comes with droppers for their liquids? What you said about the syringe will work, I usually use insulin syringes if I dont have an oral syringe on hand.
Whats the verdict on MP? I want to use them so I can stop using effing liquids but I am a little worried about the accuracy of their dosing. Merely from reading the occasional complaint ( Hard not to get any complaints, esp with competition out there so it could be nothing ).
I prefer to do IF when cutting as well, something about it is just so much easier.
I've used 10s of their products, with only one complaint. And yes, he gives a dropper. Is it possible for me to use an insulin syringe and inject it? Or what would I do with the insulin syringe, shoot it in my mouth?
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Is it that hard to get pharm grade t3 over the net?
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Is it that hard to get pharm grade t3 over the net?
No.
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Is it that hard to get pharm grade t3 over the net?
i answered a lot of questions you asked in this thread, even posted a source for pharm grade t3 as well as other RX drugs
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I would if I could get it domestic. Figure if I get everything else domestic i would rather not order something as simple as t3 international and risk drawing attention to myself. Silly? Perhaps, but rather be safe then sorry.
As for the slin pin, yea I just shoot it into my mouth ( no homo ).
Edit - Just realized I can send it to my gf. Or mom... lol.
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I always pay close attention to t3 threads as its hard to search having only 2 letters.
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I would if I could get it domestic. Figure if I get everything else domestic i would rather not order something as simple as t3 international and risk drawing attention to myself. Silly? Perhaps, but rather be safe then sorry.
As for the slin pin, yea I just shoot it into my mouth ( no homo ).
Edit - Just realized I can send it to my gf. Or mom... lol.
never any issues with international RX unless it's scheduled. at most you might get a letter, but unless you aren't ordering thousands and thousands of dollars, no one will care. 40 year old women get all their drugs this way, and a large amount of americans, it's greatly overlooked because it would mean enforcing drug laws on middle class, elderly voting white americans, which is politically detrimental to politicians
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Randy - thats steady progress. I have to ask whats your diet like? You just eating maintinenece/above?
My diet is just maintenance -- around 3000-3500 calories ed (Protein about 100-150 grams ed). I don't measure out amount of food or try to eat a certain number of meals daily, but usually it works out to 4-5 meals spread throughout the day. I eat to a full stomach always. Any sweets are limited to 2-3* a week. Furthermore, my diet is completely vegetarian (no meats, fish), i eat eggs on occasion. My intake of fresh vegetables is very high - cooked on a daily basis. Everything is sauteed with extra virgin olive oil. 3-4 pieces of fruit everyday also. Everything that can be made from raw food is made i.e. i make 2% yogurt 2 times a week.
As to exercise regimen. I train 3-4 a week, 2 body parts per day. Cardio lately about 1-2 * a week. I was losing too much BW, and it was impacting my strength, so i cut down it down. Before that i would go 45-60m for about 4-5 days very high intensity.
As to the hormones in the system since i came down from the 240s- 221 presently.
It was every 7 days
Test 400mg - later on switched to single ester @250mg from 4esters
Eq 250mg
Tren E 200mg
Arimidex 0.50mg eod
Selegiline .25mg ed
T3 75mcg ed- added this about 6 weeks after Tren
Clen 100mcg ed - added 2 weeks after T3
Later on i cut out the eq to lower hematocrit levels - now intake is as follows e4/5th day
Test 125mg
Tren E 200mg
Arimidex 0.50mg eod
Selegiline .25mg ed
T3 50mcg ed - to avoid muscle breakdown dosage reduced as i await to add tren A so tapering Tren E again
Clen 100mcg ed - (e3rd/4th week 50mg Benadryl for 7 days)
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So you are taking the t3 on empty stomach, but how long after you took it you can eat?
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So you are taking the t3 on empty stomach, but how long after you took it you can eat?
I workout fasted when I am cutting so I wait like 4-5 hours to eat. You can eat after 20-30 though, I take it upon waking.
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i answered a lot of questions you asked in this thread, even posted a source for pharm grade t3 as well as other RX drugs
Reread all your posts on this thread and still missed it. ygm.
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Reread all your posts on this thread and still missed it. ygm.
I didnt... lol. PMd.
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So you are taking the t3 on empty stomach, but how long after you took it you can eat?
In my situation the endocrinologist recommended to take T4 on empty stomach, 1 hour before food. The general consensus is also the same in BB circles for T3 use, take 1 hour before food intake.
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Been on 50cmg this week as recommended by you guys from 25cmg! What a difference after 3rd day coming in alot faster now! Only problem is my back was getting bad from the tren so I have dropped it out now and only using primo enth in the hope that my back will clear up in time for my show ! Doing 100 daily of the primo and it is ok but obviously not as good as the tren. Hopefullly can add the tren back in if I get rid of these massive red blotches on my back! sleeping better tho and cardio is much more productive! So positives and negatives with this I guess! Will be swapping clen for efferdrine as of next week so that should help dry me out a bit too!
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Been on 50cmg this week as recommended by you guys from 25cmg! What a difference after 3rd day coming in alot faster now! Only problem is my back was getting bad from the tren so I have dropped it out now and only using primo enth in the hope that my back will clear up in time for my show ! Doing 100 daily of the primo and it is ok but obviously not as good as the tren. Hopefullly can add the tren back in if I get rid of these massive red blotches on my back! sleeping better tho and cardio is much more productive! So positives and negatives with this I guess! Will be swapping clen for efferdrine as of next week so that should help dry me out a bit too!
Around 50mcg ed is the ideal dosage for noticeable improvement in body re-composition. If further adjustments are needed/required - try playing around within 25mcg increments. You will find a sweet spot and stick with it. I went to 100mcg ed, my joints started aching, so i reduced it to 75mcg just until recently.
As to the acne - get a Vit A acid prescription (0.1% is the strongest). In the meantime get some hydrogen peroxide otc, and apply liberally.