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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: FAST LANE on April 10, 2012, 11:09:08 PM
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What's up fellas?
This is going to be basic information... probably one of the first things we all learned starting out. Anyways, I was wondering if someone could give me a list of all the hormones prescribed by doctors / steroids for humans vs. animal steroids. Also, another list of all the hormones of the three anabolic catergories- DHT, 19-NOR, TEST.
As most of you know, I don't get anything from tren, so I am going back to the basics of npp, anadrol, anavar, masteron etc etc. (Doctor prescribed hormones)
This leads me to my list- so actually, all you guys need to do is fill it in....
Human Steroids- Test, Deca, Masteron, Anavar, Anadrol, Winstrol .....
Animal Steroids- Tren, EQ
19-NOR : Deca, Tren
DHT- Winny, Anavar, Masteron
Thanks fellas!!
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is tren the only thing you don't respond to?
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Steroids prescribed in the U.S.
Anadrol
Anavar
AndroDerm
AndroGel
Andriol
Deca-Durabolin
Halotestin
Nebido
NPP or Durabolon
Sustanon-250
Testopel
Testosterone-Cypionate
Testosterone-Enanthate
Testosterone-Propionate
Testosterone-Suspension
Winstrol
Winstrol Depot
DHT:
Anadrol
Anavar
Masteron
Primobolan
Proviron
Winstrol
19-nor:
Anadur
Deca-Durabolin
Dynabolan
Dynabol
Durabolon
Parabolan
Tren-a
Tren-e
Testosterone:
AndroDerm
AndroGel
Andriol
Dianabol
Equipoise
Halotestin
Nebido
Testopel
Omnadren
Sustanon-250
Test-Cyp
Test-E
Test-P
Test-Suspension
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Primobolan is not a dht, its a dhb
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Primobolan is not a dht, its a dhb
its 5-alpha reduced which puts it in the DHT category. same for 1-testosterone. it is dihydroboldenone but it lacks the double bond between the 4th and 5th carbons which makes it DHT derived.
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Isn't equipoise an animal steroid?
Steroids prescribed in the U.S.
Anadrol
Anavar
AndroDerm
AndroGel
Andriol
Deca-Durabolin
Halotestin
Nebido
NPP or Durabolon
Sustanon-250
Testopel
Testosterone-Cypionate
Testosterone-Enanthate
Testosterone-Propionate
Testosterone-Suspension
Winstrol
Winstrol Depot
DHT:
Anadrol
Anavar
Masteron
Primobolan
Proviron
Winstrol
19-nor:
Anadur
Deca-Durabolin
Dynabolan
Dynabol
Durabolon
Parabolan
Tren-a
Tren-e
Testosterone:
AndroDerm
AndroGel
Andriol
Dianabol
Equipoise
Halotestin
Nebido
Testopel
Omnadren
Sustanon-250
Test-Cyp
Test-E
Test-P
Test-Suspension
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Isn't equipoise an animal steroid?
indeed it is. used for race horses i believe. makes sense because of the increase in RBCs leading to better endurance.
i dont think it was ever approved for human use.
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indeed it is. used for race horses i believe. makes sense because of the increase in RBCs leading to better endurance.
i dont think it was ever approved for human use.
It was used clinically for a brief period in the '60s, but it was discontinued for human use in the '70s. It was originally made for human use.
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just to add a few more to the list:
19-nor
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cheque drops(although ive never been able to find any)
methyltrienolone(methyl tren)
MHN(methylhydroxynandrolone i think. basically an oral version of nandrolone)
THG(the clear i think it was called)
DHT
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methyldrostalone(s-drol)
Test
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turinabol
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yeah tbol is clorodehydromethyltestos terone.
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its 5-alpha reduced which puts it in the DHT category. same for 1-testosterone. it is dihydroboldenone but it lacks the double bond between the 4th and 5th carbons which makes it DHT derived.
dht means dihydrotestosterone, so no it isn't a DHT steroid or in the same category.
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Steroids prescribed in the U.S.
Anadrol
Anavar
AndroDerm
AndroGel
Andriol
Deca-Durabolin
Halotestin
Nebido
NPP or Durabolon
Sustanon-250
Testopel
Testosterone-Cypionate
Testosterone-Enanthate
Testosterone-Propionate
Testosterone-Suspension
Winstrol
Winstrol Depot
DHT:
Anadrol
Anavar
Masteron
Primobolan
Proviron
Winstrol
19-nor:
Anadur
Deca-Durabolin
Dynabolan
Dynabol
Durabolon
Parabolan
Tren-a
Tren-e
Testosterone:
AndroDerm
AndroGel
Andriol
Dianabol
Equipoise
Halotestin
Nebido
Testopel
Omnadren
Sustanon-250
Test-Cyp
Test-E
Test-P
Test-Suspension
Great post brotha!! That's perfect.
Thanks fellas, some good replies in here!!
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Isn't equipoise an animal steroid?
Yes, that's why I didn't put it in the prescription section.
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isn't winstrol for horses as well?
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isn't winstrol for horses as well?
It can be, but it's used on many different animals, but it's also used to treat humans who suffer from non-regenerative anemia, angioedma and when there's severe strength loss in some cases. It's even used to treat obesity in some cases.
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dht means dihydrotestosterone, so no it isn't a DHT steroid or in the same category.
ok i dont need to start arguing about steroids here but DHT derivatives dont have the 4-C double bond. primo doesnt have the 4-C double bond therefore it is a DHT derived steroid. it does have the 1-C double bond like boldenone does but by convention no one refers to steroids as boldenone derived or DHB derived. there are only 3 general categories and primo falls under that of DHT derived due to its chemical structure.
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It can be, but it's used on many different animals, but it's also used to treat humans who suffer from non-regenerative anemia, angioedma and when there's severe strength loss in some cases. It's even used to treat obesity in some cases.
oh ok, thanks for the clarification
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is tren the only thing you don't respond to?
At this point, yes
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ok i dont need to start arguing about steroids here but DHT derivatives dont have the 4-C double bond. primo doesnt have the 4-C double bond therefore it is a DHT derived steroid. it does have the 1-C double bond like boldenone does but by convention no one refers to steroids as boldenone derived or DHB derived. there are only 3 general categories and primo falls under that of DHT derived due to its chemical structure.
well it's a bit of semantics but factually that is incorrect and appending them to the 5ar category would be correct.
none of this matters though, since it doesn't effect their function how they are labeled but since this thread is about categorizing steroids it would be more correct to list them under 5ar or unable to be reduced by the 5ar enzyme.
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well it's a bit of semantics but factually that is incorrect and appending them to the 5ar category would be correct.
none of this matters though, since it doesn't effect their function how they are labeled but since this thread is about categorizing steroids it would be more correct to list them under 5ar or unable to be reduced by the 5ar enzyme.
Semantics aside, doesnt it actually matter whether it is a dht or dhb? With you too arguijg now I dont know which is true. If it was a dht it could cause excessive hairloss, unlike if it was a dhb. Which is it?
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If you don't respond to tren, you were either using fake tren or your dose was way too low
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Semantics aside, doesnt it actually matter whether it is a dht or dhb? With you too arguijg now I dont know which is true. If it was a dht it could cause excessive hairloss, unlike if it was a dhb. Which is it?
well it is semantics because whether it's DHT or not has 0 barring on it's effect, the only thing it changes is the fact that it won't get changed into another hormone in the presence of 5-alpha reductase enzyme. it means nothing in terms of the effect it has on hairloss or whatever. some people lose more hair and get worse sides from d-bol than they do with anadrol, and anadrol is what people have been listing as a "DHT" steroid.
generally though, the steroids that have been 5-alpha reduced, are more androgenic, however, in the case of 19-nors the opposite is true. deca becomes 3 times weaker after being 5-ar converted into DHN, likewise, tren becomes weaker in the presence of 5-ar enzyme as well.
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If you don't respond to tren, you were either using fake tren or your dose was way too low
How many people are going to say this to him lol.
No disrepesct AMD but he was using very good tren and his doses were sky high. He made a thread about it, search for it.
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well it is semantics because whether it's DHT or not has 0 barring on it's effect, the only thing it changes is the fact that it won't get changed into another hormone in the presence of 5-alpha reductase enzyme. it means nothing in terms of the effect it has on hairloss or whatever. some people lose more hair and get worse sides from d-bol than they do with anadrol, and anadrol is what people have been listing as a "DHT" steroid.
generally though, the steroids that have been 5-alpha reduced, are more androgenic, however, in the case of 19-nors the opposite is true. deca becomes 3 times weaker after being 5-ar converted into DHN, likewise, tren becomes weaker in the presence of 5-ar enzyme as well.
ive used tren before and it did make my hair fall out. i dont think it has any interaction with the 5-AR enzyme. its just so androgenic it doesnt matter. however most other 19-nors that do interact with the 5-ar(cheque drops and methyl tren aside) do become less androgenic via 5-alpha reduction.
other than that you are correct and i agree that it should be classified as 5-ar steroids or something like that.
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yeah, you're right tren is so androgenic it doesn't matter. there were studies that shown in tissue with high levels of 5ar enzyme, tren's androgenic effects were diminished to some extent - which makes sense when you think about it since tren was created from nandrolone.
i've noticed less hairloss on tren than with test so my experience has been in line with the studies, as i believe i have very high levels of the 5ar enzyme in my scalp because test causes the worst levels of hairloss while tren/deca not so much.
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yeah, you're right tren is so androgenic it doesn't matter. there were studies that shown in tissue with high levels of 5ar enzyme, tren's androgenic effects were diminished to some extent - which makes sense when you think about it since tren was created from nandrolone.
i've noticed less hairloss on tren than with test so my experience has been in line with the studies, as i believe i have very high levels of the 5ar enzyme in my scalp because test causes the worst levels of hairloss while tren/deca not so much.
my last cycle was 250mg test, 350mg tren, 525mg NPP.
i was shedding like crazy and my hair is way thinner than before the cycle. i just hope it grows back.
its possible that it is an individual thing. ive heard of some people who are prone to MPB and test makes them shed but tren and masteron dont do anything. im hoping the tren just cause some telogen effluvium and the hair will grow back.
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it always grows back but the problem is that it takes years for it to fully recover (assuming your natural test level doesn't make your hair loss worse) but a single couple week cycle is all it takes to reset months of hair regrowth.
it really sucks and it's a losing proposition.
you could try deca + d-bol only cycles or running test with finasteride, though finasteride never helped me much and actually made my hairloss worse.
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it always grows back but the problem is that it takes years for it to fully recover (assuming your natural test level doesn't make your hair loss worse) but a single couple week cycle is all it takes to reset months of hair regrowth.
it really sucks and it's a losing proposition.
you could try deca + d-bol only cycles or running test with finasteride, though finasteride never helped me much and actually made my hairloss worse.
i am prone to hair loss as well, have you tried running minoxidil (rogaine or generic) while on cycle? i have heard finasteride has bad side effects and can lower the effectiveness of your gear
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minoxidil won't stop or slow hairloss.
there are bad sides with minoxidil, but no one talks about them. anyways, the sides with finasteride are overexaggerated.
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How many people are going to say this to him lol.
No disrepesct AMD but he was using very good tren and his doses were sky high. He made a thread about it, search for it.
Thanks for saving me the time of not repeating myself 1000000000 times brotha.. Appreciate it 8)
P.S. (I didn't know 2100 mg was a low dose) ;) ;D
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minoxidil won't stop or slow hairloss.
there are bad sides with minoxidil, but no one talks about them. anyways, the sides with finasteride are overexaggerated.
what are they? not being a dick i'm genuinely don't know. are you referring to oral minoxidil?
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it always grows back but the problem is that it takes years for it to fully recover (assuming your natural test level doesn't make your hair loss worse) but a single couple week cycle is all it takes to reset months of hair regrowth.
it really sucks and it's a losing proposition.
you could try deca + d-bol only cycles or running test with finasteride, though finasteride never helped me much and actually made my hairloss worse.
yea i actually need to get your input on something. everyone says that dbol is really bad for hair but that doesnt make sense to me. it doesnt bind very strongly to the androgen receptor and it has virtually no affinity for the 5-AR enzyme so its reduced form dihydromethandrostenolon e would be present in very very low concentrations. therefore it shouldnt affect hair very much correct?
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minoxidil won't stop or slow hairloss.
there are bad sides with minoxidil, but no one talks about them. anyways, the sides with finasteride are overexaggerated.
minoxidil seems to slow hair loss when on cycle and seems to work for many people not using AAS. the side effects arent too bad. ive been using it for a while and i think its the cause of the bags forming under my eyes but i havent been experiencing any heart palpitations or anything like that. i dont know how much its really helped me regrow though.
never had any trouble with finasteride.
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yea i actually need to get your input on something. everyone says that dbol is really bad for hair but that doesnt make sense to me. it doesnt bind very strongly to the androgen receptor and it has virtually no affinity for the 5-AR enzyme so its reduced form dihydromethandrostenolon e would be present in very very low concentrations. therefore it shouldnt affect hair very much correct?
i don't know, the thing with hair loss is it varies so much between different people. like some people lose less hair off masteron, one of the most androgenic steroids, than they do with something like d-bol, which makes them shed hair like crazy.
there's no way to honestly know until you try them, but generally, as a rule of thumb, you are right that the more androgenic the hormone the more likely the person will be to experience hair loss, but that isn't always the case for everyone.
i also don't believe d-bol undergoes significant conversion by the 5ar enzyme so running finasteride wouldn't help much. EQ doesn't get effected by the 5ar much either, even though it also gets converted by the 5ar, it's so minimal that it's not worth mentioning.
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what are they? not being a dick i'm genuinely don't know. are you referring to oral minoxidil?
the one that concerns me the most is premature and permanent facial aging, some people complain about their face aging 10 years after using minoxidil (topical gets absorbed systemically, as i've had increased hair growth all over my body from using it 2x day topically, so both oral or topical will cause it.) I've never had any sides from it, but there are also cardiovascular sides that are possible as well that could be an issue to some people whose hearts are strained from steroid usage already.
i don't believe finasterides sides are permanent however, when guys experience decreased libido after using finasteride, they reportedly feel 100% again after using steroids so my opinion is that finasteride just messes up hormonal levels and it doesn't cause any permanent damage to androgen receptor sites.
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the one that concerns me the most is premature and permanent facial aging, some people complain about their face aging 10 years after using minoxidil (topical gets absorbed systemically, as i've had increased hair growth all over my body from using it 2x day topically, so both oral or topical will cause it.) I've never had any sides from it, but there are also cardiovascular sides that are possible as well that could be an issue to some people whose hearts are strained from steroid usage already.
i don't believe finasterides sides are permanent however, when guys experience decreased libido after using finasteride, they reportedly feel 100% again after using steroids so my opinion is that finasteride just messes up hormonal levels and it doesn't cause any permanent damage to androgen receptor sites.
oh ok, i was always worried about finasteride because i heard some of the possible side effects were pretty bad like prostate cancer and apparently the ED was permanent in some people. i didn't know minoxidil had such bad side effects tho, i'll probably just stick with the ketaconazole shampoo for now
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oh ok, i was always worried about finasteride because i heard some of the possible side effects were pretty bad like prostate cancer and apparently the ED was permanent in some people. i didn't know minoxidil had such bad side effects tho, i'll probably just stick with the ketaconazole shampoo for now
Dude read the hairloss thread and read everyone of lyquids post. Golden.
He says nizoral is the base of eveey hair protecting regrowing protocol
Then use spiro cream
Also emu oil and coconut.oil.
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Dude read the hairloss thread and read everyone of lyquids post. Golden.
He says nizoral is the base of eveey hair protecting regrowing protocol
Then use spiro cream
Also emu oil and coconut.oil.
thanks man will do, i love nizoral it's cheap and you can find it anywhere
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How many people are going to say this to him lol.
No disrepesct AMD but he was using very good tren and his doses were sky high. He made a thread about it, search for it.
I havent read any replies or remember his making any threads. my bad