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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Oly15 on April 19, 2012, 11:32:46 AM
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Old school veteran bodybuilders,
What were the only steroids that existed during this time? I was just going through my pictures of the classic/golden age bodybuilders and realized that they really didn't have much to work with, yet guys like Sergio, Nubret, Mentzer, Columbo, and obviously the Oak imo have better physiques than pros of today with limitless types of steroids, peptides, gh, slin, synthol, etc.
It is really amazing to me that many pro's of today do not even have arms the size of Serge Nubrets, Sergio Oliva, much less Schwarzenegger. And these guys had so much less to pick from.
So what were the only steroids that existed back then. All of them, not just the obvious.
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D-Bol
Deca
Primobolin
The big three back in the day........definately the most popular drugs.
My first "cycle" ever was 15 mgs. of Ciba Labs D-Bol and I gained a shit looad of muscle as well as a lot of strength.
Guys back then trained hard all the time,and workouts were much longer.
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Yeah figured those were the most widely used. They obviously had to take a lot of deca and dbol to gain there size, so how did they avoid gyno? Did AI's exist back then and were they used?
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Yeah figured those were the most widely used. They obviously had to take a lot of deca and dbol to gain there size, so how did they avoid gyno? Did AI's exist back then and were they used?
To be honest,I`m not sure if AI`s even existed ???
I never heard of anyone using them.
Most guys started a cycle at low doses and worked their way up to a max dose in a pyramid style,then worked their way back down as opposed to just starting off on a mega-does.
This may have helped most avoid sides and gyno as well.
They also actually "cycled" coming off for periods of time as opposed to being on all the time which is common these days.
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hey wes, how much did it cost for the drugs back then? no need for prices, just compare it with todays
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To be honest,I`m not sure if AI`s even existed ???
I never heard of anyone using them.
Most guys started a cycle at low doses and worked their way up to a max dose in a pyramid style,then worked their way back down as opposed to just starting off on a mega-does.
This may have helped most avoid sides and gyno as well.
They also actually "cycled" coming off for periods of time as opposed to being on all the time which is common these days.
I always wondered how they managed those 2+ hour workouts 6 days a week.What was average cycle length like Wes?
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I always wondered how they managed those 2+ hour workouts 6 days a week.What was average cycle length like Wes?
A friend of mine trained like that in high school and he got pretty jacked...it's all about genetics my friend.
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Everything Wes said.
Also, Anavar and Anadrol have been around since the early 1960's, so has Wintrol. Tren has been around since around the late 60's early 70's but I don't know how much it was used then. All the basis single ester testosterone compounds have been around for 70-80yrs, Equipoise has been around since the 60's
Most of the steroids that are around today have been around since the era you're talking about. This was the age when pharmaceutical compounding facilities were able to practice more freely in this regard...since that time, new steroids pop up less often.
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Everything Wes said.
Also, Anavar and Anadrol have been around since the early 1960's, so has Wintrol. Tren has been around since around the late 60's early 70's but I don't know how much it was used then. All the basis single ester testosterone compounds have been around for 70-80yrs, Equipoise has been around since the 60's
Most of the steroids that are around today have been around since the era you're talking about. This was the age when pharmaceutical compounding facilities were able to practice more freely in this regard...since that time, new steroids pop up less often.
Shit most of been so much more potent back in those days.
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To be honest,I`m not sure if AI`s even existed ???
I never heard of anyone using them.
Most guys started a cycle at low doses and worked their way up to a max dose in a pyramid style,then worked their way back down as opposed to just starting off on a mega-does.
This may have helped most avoid sides and gyno as well.
They also actually "cycled" coming off for periods of time as opposed to being on all the time which is common these days.
What did you use in the 1940-1950s?
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What did you use in the 1940-1950s?
:D
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hey wes, how much did it cost for the drugs back then? no need for prices, just compare it with todays
Bottle of 100 D-Bols = 15-20 bucks and the shit was potent.............it would take a helluva` lot of pink Thais to equal one Ciba Labs tab of original D-Bol.
I remember early 80`s buying 10 cc`s of Equipoise for $15.00.
I really can`t remember much more pricewise,but the stuff was still legal back them,and we also had 2-3 doctors who would write scripts for us.
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makes sense, im training with more volume and longer, harder and much more frequent and im making improvements by the week...just imagine with they had the drugs now back then lol
wish i was in the game back then (or born for that matter lol)
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I always wondered how they managed those 2+ hour workouts 6 days a week.What was average cycle length like Wes?
Cycle length typically would be 8-10 weeks,and most guys would stay off for the same amount of time before going on another 8-10 week cycle.
Things have really changed!!
Anavar was very popular as was Winny tabs as Arnold Jr. mentioned above,but the top 3 were D-Bol,Deca,and Primo for most guys.
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makes sense, im training with more volume and longer, harder and much more frequent and im making improvements by the week...just imagine with they had the drugs now back then lol
wish i was in the game back then (or born for that matter lol)
Yeah,but you`d be an old fuck like me right now.............and getting old ain`t for sissies!! ;D
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Shit most of been so much more potent back in those days.
It was all legit Mak..............legal and no underground labs that I ever heard of as they weren`t needed.
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D-Bol
Deca
Primobolin
The big three back in the day........definately the most popular drugs.
My first "cycle" ever was 15 mgs. of Ciba Labs D-Bol and I gained a shit looad of muscle as well as a lot of strength.
Guys back then trained hard all the time,and workouts were much longer.
how much did you gain on your first cycle, and how long was that cycle?
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how much did you gain on your first cycle, and how long was that cycle?
Christ,that was a long time ago,but I believe I put on about 20 pounds in 10 weeks or 2 + 1/2 months.
I didn`t have a huge appetite and my knowledge of training was nowhere as good as it is today,but still it changed my physique bigtime.
I remember another time when I had stopped training for the majority of the time for 7 years and only drank and got high,rejoined the gym,benched 95 pounds for a couple of hard sets of 8 reps......three months later I was mazing out with 300 pounds at a bodyweight of 150...........a double bodyweight bench and again,only 15 mgs. of Ciba D-Bol was used.
That shit was potent.
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Christ,that was a long time ago,but I believe I put on about 20 pounds in 10 weeks or 2 + 1/2 months.
I didn`t have a huge appetite and my knowledge of training was nowhere as good as it is today,but still it changed my physique bigtime.
I remember another time when I had stopped training for the majority of the time for 7 years and only drank and got high,rejoined the gym,benched 95 pounds for a couple of hard sets of 8 reps......three months later I was mazing out with 300 pounds at a bodyweight of 150...........a double bodyweight bench and again,only 15 mgs. of Ciba D-Bol was used.
That shit was potent.
Motherfuck. Then thats why the guys back then were so big as big as some today, they had more potent shit!! I wonder if the top pros today have access to stuff like Ciba dbol quality steroids..
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Christ,that was a long time ago,but I believe I put on about 20 pounds in 10 weeks or 2 + 1/2 months.
I didn`t have a huge appetite and my knowledge of training was nowhere as good as it is today,but still it changed my physique bigtime.
I remember another time when I had stopped training for the majority of the time for 7 years and only drank and got high,rejoined the gym,benched 95 pounds for a couple of hard sets of 8 reps......three months later I was mazing out with 300 pounds at a bodyweight of 150...........a double bodyweight bench and again,only 15 mgs. of Ciba D-Bol was used.
That shit was potent.
10 weeks=2 +1/2 months ??? ??? No way ;D
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Christ,that was a long time ago,but I believe I put on about 20 pounds in 10 weeks or 2 + 1/2 months.
I didn`t have a huge appetite and my knowledge of training was nowhere as good as it is today,but still it changed my physique bigtime.
I remember another time when I had stopped training for the majority of the time for 7 years and only drank and got high,rejoined the gym,benched 95 pounds for a couple of hard sets of 8 reps......three months later I was mazing out with 300 pounds at a bodyweight of 150...........a double bodyweight bench and again,only 15 mgs. of Ciba D-Bol was used.
That shit was potent.
oh god have i went down that road before been damn near benching 400 then go to the gym 4-5 months later benching 185 a couple times. That staying drunk for several days and not eating anything is a bitch. Im suprised fat people dont do it to lose weight Ive lost 20lbs in a week that way several times. It also funny you will gain 30-40lbs of muscle in a few weeks
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Good posts guys.
The biggest difference was all the drugs were real and dosed appropriately.
Most of the old school guys I know said that Primo was the "Tren" of the old days. They all loaded up on Deca/Primo/Winstrol/Dbol and anything else they could get their hands on.
Bunk products were unheard of back then.
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even the name "Primo" makes one think of it as being some "majestic" compound ;D ;D ;D
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Good posts guys.
The biggest difference was all the drugs were real and dosed appropriately.
Most of the old school guys I know said that Primo was the "Tren" of the old days. They all loaded up on Deca/Primo/Winstrol/Dbol and anything else they could get their hands on.
Bunk products were unheard of back then.
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Your post made me think of that all the guys literally like 90% had hair and werent going bald like these.mofos today. U think maybe it was the juice back then somehow didnt cause it or that the golden age bodybuilders ate healthier and there wasn't as much processed food back then?
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Your post made me think of that all the guys literally like 90% had hair and werent going bald like these.mofos today. U think maybe it was the juice back then somehow didnt cause it or that the golden age bodybuilders ate healthier and there wasn't as much processed food back then?
That's more coincidence than anything else. DHT is what causes hair-loss, it can speed up the deterioration of hair-follicles but it's only going to happen if you're predisposed to male-pattern baldness. Obviously, a lot of the compounds the golden age guys were using were DHT compounds...Primo, Anavar, Winny, etc, all DHT.
And yes, testosterone based compounds can cause a DHT buildup through conversion, but it's rarely a significant amount and it's almost impossible for this to cause the problem.
Last thing, who knows, guys like Arnold and Lou may have very well had hair transplants...I know Arnold was completely grey on both sides of his head in his late 20's...there's a couple pics out there but not many...he normally kept it dyed.
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That's more coincidence than anything else. DHT is what causes hair-loss, it can speed up the deterioration of hair-follicles but it's only going to happen if you're predisposed to male-pattern baldness. Obviously, a lot of the compounds the golden age guys were using were DHT compounds...Primo, Anavar, Winny, etc, all DHT.
And yes, testosterone based compounds can cause a DHT buildup through conversion, but it's rarely a significant amount and it's almost impossible for this to cause the problem.
Last thing, who knows, guys like Arnold and Lou may have very well had hair transplants...I know Arnold was completely grey on both sides of his head in his late 20's...there's a couple pics out there but not many...he normally kept it dyed.
No shit?
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I've seen a few pics over the years of Arnold during this time where he had the grey in his hair like I described. They looked like pics a friend took, you know, just some cheap camera some friend had at a party or something...the one that's always stood out was one I saw where it looked like he was in someone's back yard for a little barbeque or something....he definitely looked like he was off and taking some down time.
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Motherfuck. Then thats why the guys back then were so big as big as some today, they had more potent shit!! I wonder if the top pros today have access to stuff like Ciba dbol quality steroids..
LMAO
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That's more coincidence than anything else. DHT is what causes hair-loss, it can speed up the deterioration of hair-follicles but it's only going to happen if you're predisposed to male-pattern baldness. Obviously, a lot of the compounds the golden age guys were using were DHT compounds...Primo, Anavar, Winny, etc, all DHT.
And yes, testosterone based compounds can cause a DHT buildup through conversion, but it's rarely a significant amount and it's almost impossible for this to cause the problem.
Last thing, who knows, guys like Arnold and Lou may have very well had hair transplants...I know Arnold was completely grey on both sides of his head in his late 20's...there's a couple pics out there but not many...he normally kept it dyed.
Wow dude never knew that about arnold. Would be awesome if I could find those pictures.
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LMAO
Considering how shitty the majority of these guys physiques are, it's not that laughable.
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D-Bol
Deca
Primobolin
The big three back in the day........definately the most popular drugs.
My first "cycle" ever was 15 mgs. of Ciba Labs D-Bol and I gained a shit looad of muscle as well as a lot of strength.
Guys back then trained hard all the time,and workouts were much longer.
Out of curiosity, did these Dbols give you less water retention than today's set of Dbol?
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That's more coincidence than anything else. DHT is what causes hair-loss, it can speed up the deterioration of hair-follicles but it's only going to happen if you're predisposed to male-pattern baldness. Obviously, a lot of the compounds the golden age guys were using were DHT compounds...Primo, Anavar, Winny, etc, all DHT.
And yes, testosterone based compounds can cause a DHT buildup through conversion, but it's rarely a significant amount and it's almost impossible for this to cause the problem.
Last thing, who knows, guys like Arnold and Lou may have very well had hair transplants...I know Arnold was completely grey on both sides of his head in his late 20's...there's a couple pics out there but not many...he normally kept it dyed.
Do hormones speed up or cause premature graying of hair?
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Bottle of 100 D-Bols = 15-20 bucks and the shit was potent.............it would take a helluva` lot of pink Thais to equal one Ciba Labs tab of original D-Bol.
I remember early 80`s buying 10 cc`s of Equipoise for $15.00.
I really can`t remember much more pricewise,but the stuff was still legal back them,and we also had 2-3 doctors who would write scripts for us.
"Equipoise for $15.00"
With those prices i'd be doing 2 bottles a week of Eq. Most likely before i run out of the juice, i will run out of spots to inject. ;D
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Do hormones speed up or cause premature graying of hair?
Naw graying age is totally genetic and unaffected by steroids.
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Naw graying age is totally genetic and unaffected by steroids.
What he said.
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"Equipoise for $15.00"
With those prices i'd be doing 2 bottles a week of Eq. Most likely before i run out of the juice, i will run out of spots to inject. ;D
the primo should be cheap too...
thinking of these prices makes me want to start home brewing real bad.
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The East germans were making potent jenepharm 5mg oral Turinabol tabs in 1961, there was of course the ciba Dbol wes mentioned, negma parabolan, anavar, winstrol, hell I believe their were halo tabs, Primo, Deca,Test, I heard rumors of masteron being made and sampled by few. Never heard of any of them using synthol,HGH or insulin. Mainly is the USA it was Dbol,Deca,Primo, Test. I have heard so many stories of Arnold using alot of Primo and popping alot of ciba dbol. In europe they had more of a variety from what I heard. the negma parabolan was over there in france the Tbol was part of a east german scandal but it coulkd still be acquired though it was mainly made for their athletes. The masteron I heard was being experimented in europe.
The halotestin was being tested on people in the states then released. Alot of bodybuilders did dbol only cycles and got huge! It wouldn't work like that this day and age. The steroids made back then were far superior then todays steroids! They used uncutt raws! and usa steroids could be bought as easy as a snickers bar. If the bodybuilders used the amounts of steroids and HGH guys today used who knows what they would of looked like! they did a interview with frank zane and he admitted to steroid use but not anything like todays pros are using. He said steroids are not bad at a low dose.
the question is why do all the products we have access to not work like the old school steroids? just crappy raws I guess! How come they make 50mg dbol tabs when you could take 15-30mg of ciba dbol and get jacked up like you were on a stack of steroids? The one steroid that still worked about the same was the old british dragon oral turinabol! It would give you amazing gains in a very short time.I never tried the jenepharm Turinabol of course but saw pictures of the athlete that did and the British Dragon Tbol gave very similar results.
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Out of curiosity, did these Dbols give you less water retention than today's set of Dbol?
It`s pretty tough for me to give you a good answer on this as even on a lot of Test (a lot for me anyway),I never hold a lot of water.
One thing I can say though is the original D-Bol was unreal stuff.
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Good thread.
For the oldies *cough* wes *cough*:
How does the human grade stuff e.g. test e, deca, pink thais nowadays compare with the stuff you took in the golden age?
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Good thread.
For the oldies *cough* wes *cough*:
How does the human grade stuff e.g. test e, deca, pink thais nowadays compare with the stuff you took in the golden age?
I could be wrong, but I'd think if you walked into a CVS or Walgreens or wherever and got a bottle of Testosterone or Nandrolone it wouldn't be any different than a bottle in 1970. I'm referring to a legitimate product made by an actual compounding facility...the only kind a place like CVS or Walgreens is going to carry. Dbol, I could see that being a different story. Anyway, like I said, I could be wrong, but this would be my guess.
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The East germans were making potent jenepharm 5mg oral Turinabol tabs in 1961, there was of course the ciba Dbol wes mentioned, negma parabolan, anavar, winstrol, hell I believe their were halo tabs, Primo, Deca,Test, I heard rumors of masteron being made and sampled by few. Never heard of any of them using synthol,HGH or insulin. Mainly is the USA it was Dbol,Deca,Primo, Test. I have heard so many stories of Arnold using alot of Primo and popping alot of ciba dbol. In europe they had more of a variety from what I heard. the negma parabolan was over there in france the Tbol was part of a east german scandal but it coulkd still be acquired though it was mainly made for their athletes. The masteron I heard was being experimented in europe.
The halotestin was being tested on people in the states then released. Alot of bodybuilders did dbol only cycles and got huge! It wouldn't work like that this day and age. The steroids made back then were far superior then todays steroids! They used uncutt raws! and usa steroids could be bought as easy as a snickers bar. If the bodybuilders used the amounts of steroids and HGH guys today used who knows what they would of looked like! they did a interview with frank zane and he admitted to steroid use but not anything like todays pros are using. He said steroids are not bad at a low dose.
the question is why do all the products we have access to not work like the old school steroids? just crappy raws I guess! How come they make 50mg dbol tabs when you could take 15-30mg of ciba dbol and get jacked up like you were on a stack of steroids? The one steroid that still worked about the same was the old british dragon oral turinabol! It would give you amazing gains in a very short time.I never tried the jenepharm Turinabol of course but saw pictures of the athlete that did and the British Dragon Tbol gave very similar results.
genuine "akrihin" dbol, made in russia.
stuff is potent, 3 week with only one 5mg tab e.d and my tshirt are too short.
a friend of mine took them like "regular" dbol, he started 50mg e.d, he immediately lowered the dose to 20 mg, and he's not a new comer in roids believe me...
one amp of u.g "testonon" e.w with 15 mg of akrihin and boooooommmmm.
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That's more coincidence than anything else. DHT is what causes hair-loss, it can speed up the deterioration of hair-follicles but it's only going to happen if you're predisposed to male-pattern baldness. Obviously, a lot of the compounds the golden age guys were using were DHT compounds...Primo, Anavar, Winny, etc, all DHT.
And yes, testosterone based compounds can cause a DHT buildup through conversion, but it's rarely a significant amount and it's almost impossible for this to cause the problem.
Last thing, who knows, guys like Arnold and Lou may have very well had hair transplants...I know Arnold was completely grey on both sides of his head in his late 20's...there's a couple pics out there but not many...he normally kept it dyed.
Interesting!!!
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D-Bol
Deca
Primobolin
The big three back in the day........definately the most popular drugs.
My first "cycle" ever was 15 mgs. of Ciba Labs D-Bol and I gained a shit looad of muscle as well as a lot of strength.
Guys back then trained hard all the time,and workouts were much longer.
Interesting how wes had first response
OP should have phrased it "what was available in ancient "wes" times..?"
;D
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Interesting how wes had first response
OP should have phrased it "what was available in ancient "wes" times..?"
;D
Now that wasn`t very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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It`s pretty tough for me to give you a good answer on this as even on a lot of Test (a lot for me anyway),I never hold a lot of water.
One thing I can say though is the original D-Bol was unreal stuff.
People talk about the Ciba dbol's like if it was a different compound. Was it like that or some myth.
Naposim is farmaceutical as well and it's supposed to be 5mg of dianabol also but i don't see anyone talking marvels about them.
I have tried it and are much more stronger than the 1000 pills bags of thais dbol's.
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Now that wasn`t very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Sorry Wes.
But seriously, what did Sandow take?
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People talk about the Ciba dbol's like if it was a different compound. Was it like that or some myth.
Naposim is farmaceutical as well and it's supposed to be 5mg of dianabol also but i don't see anyone talking marvels about them.
I have tried it and are much more stronger than the 1000 pills bags of thais dbol's.
Not a myth bro,I have no clue why it was so good,but it really was the shit.
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Sorry Wes.
But seriously, what did Sandow take?
LOL ;D
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Purity of the raw material is what makes one drug so much better than another.
My doctor told me that even amongst FDA approved drugs sold in the US, there can be 20% variance in effectiveness from
one brand to another.
I have noticed this with my prescribed meds.... certain brands work far better than others, even though dose is the same. Sometimes
a particular generic will be better than the original, but in most cases, the original is the best.
When you don't have strict standards for raw materials (like all the UG stuff that uses raws from India and China), you lose a lot of purity
and ultimately end up with a less effective product (I don't care who your chef is, there is no UG shit out there as good as real pharm grade).
If someone were to not use their American prescribed hormone replacement test for a few months and use it as a cycle instead, say 750mg
per week, I bet it would blow away any other UG based cycle of test they had done in the past.
I can take 100mg daily of impure UG d-bol made from Chinese raws, and it will have more sides and less results than 40mg of naposim.
When I have real normas on hand, I grow extremely well from 400mg. UG stuff I need to double, and I get increased sides if I do.
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Sorry Wes.
But seriously, what did Sandow take?
Wes, you gotta give it to him on this one... I almost fell off my chair laughing here bro. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Purity of the raw material is what makes one drug so much better than another.
My doctor told me that even amongst FDA approved drugs sold in the US, there can be 20% variance in effectiveness from
one brand to another.
I have noticed this with my prescribed meds.... certain brands work far better than others, even though dose is the same. Sometimes
a particular generic will be better than the original, but in most cases, the original is the best.
When you don't have strict standards for raw materials (like all the UG stuff that uses raws from India and China), you lose a lot of purity
and ultimately end up with a less effective product (I don't care who your chef is, there is no UG shit out there as good as real pharm grade).
If someone were to not use their American prescribed hormone replacement test for a few months and use it as a cycle instead, say 750mg
per week, I bet it would blow away any other UG based cycle of test they had done in the past.
I can take 100mg daily of impure UG d-bol made from Chinese raws, and it will have more sides and less results than 40mg of naposim.
When I have real normas on hand, I grow extremely well from 400mg. UG stuff I need to double, and I get increased sides if I do.
For all the noobs save this and read this 100X,,, then incoroporate this thought with everything GH, Thryroids, fat burners, ETC it will all apply
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Wes, you gotta give it to him on this one... I almost fell off my chair laughing here bro. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That was not the least bit funny my friend !! :D