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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Arnold jr on November 14, 2005, 10:01:45 PM
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I just finished a cycle at the end of October and will hold off on this next cycle until the first of the year. I have a basic idea of what I want to take, but what like some thoughts and inputs and advice on any changes some of you think I should make. The first half of the cycle will be for size, and the second half will be in prep for a show, so I am a little more concerned with the second part, but still want input on both. Here is what I'm thinking right now:
wk 1-16 sust250 250mg eod
wk 1-12 decca 600mg wk
wk 17-32 prop 100mg ed
wk 26-34 winny 50 50mg ed
wk 26-34 tren 200mg wk
wk 34 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-34 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
So what do you all think? I have also been thinking about adding t-3 in there but would like some input on that first, i.e. dosage, duration, and where it best fits. And yes I do have PCT planned, always do, HCG, clomid and nolva.
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i like it and i would go with t3 and ecy caps too..and if you can get gh that too..
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r u some professional bb?
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r u some professional bb?
yes he is and damn good at his job in helping amateurs like me!
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i like it and i would go with t3 and ecy caps too..and if you can get gh that too..
T-3 how much, and when? Right now I am thinking 25-100mcg ed for the last 6 weeks of the cycle, sound about right. Also, what about running it the 1st six weeks as well as the last? I think this would give my diet a nice kick start. Or would this be too much and risk me seriously screwing up my thyroid?
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r u some professional bb?
What don't you like about the cycle?
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DIVISIONAL CHANGES:
wk 1-33 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 1-16 Deca 600mg ew
wk 13-20 Tren 75mg ed
wk 17-24 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 25-32 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 33 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-33 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
wk 37/38 PCT
An 8 month cycle......hopefully it's worth it......
DIV
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DIVISIONAL CHANGES:
wk 1-33 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 1-16 Deca 600mg ew
wk 13-20 Tren 75mg ed
wk 17-24 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 25-32 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 33 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-33 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
wk 37/38 PCT
An 8 month cycle......hopefully it's worth it......
DIV
Can you give me some reasons for the changes you suggested?
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Can you give me some reasons for the changes you suggested?
You want to keep your Test current throughout the cycle......and overlap your anabolics, and using the Prop was pointless in the middle of the cycle.
With Test you go with a multi-estered compound (Sustanon250) or you choose Cypionate/Enanthate......but not Prop. unless you want more bloat and sides.
The Tren/Wintrol/Halo in succession is for hardening at the end of the cycle.
That's a long cycle, but if you are set on running this for 8 months you'd better keep your Test at the same level......
DIV
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You want to keep your Test current throughout the cycle......and overlap your anabolics, and using the Prop was pointless in the middle of the cycle.
With Test you go with a multi-estered compound (Sustanon250) or you choose Cypionate/Enanthate......but not Prop. unless you want more bloat and sides.
The Tren/Wintrol/Halo in succession is for hardening at the end of the cycle.
That's a long cycle, but if you are set on running this for 8 months you'd better keep your Test at the same level......
DIV
Yeah it is a long cycle, and the switching from sust to prop was somethng i wanted input on. The reason for the switch was that my thinkng is that i would hold less water on the prop, which is what i want during the 2nd half of the cycle since it is for competition prep.
Also is your changes you have the tren and winny being taken much earlier in the cycle then I did. Wouldn't I want to keep these towards the later half if it is for competition?
I appreciate your input! I haven't noticed many post by you on the steroid board in awhile, nice to see you posting on here again, you always seem to have some good input.
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Yeah it is a long cycle, and the switching from sust to prop was somethng i wanted input on. The reason for the switch was that my thinkng is that i would hold less water on the prop, which is what i want during the 2nd half of the cycle since it is for competition prep.
Also is your changes you have the tren and winny being taken much earlier in the cycle then I did. Wouldn't I want to keep these towards the later half if it is for competition?
I appreciate your input! I haven't noticed many post by you on the steroid board in awhile, nice to see you posting on here again, you always seem to have some good input.
Those are my recommendations, what I would run if I was doing an 8 month cycle, which I would never do.
You can change the times or lengths of the compounds, but remember you need to overlap them......esp the Deca. Deca takes 2 weeks or so to start working and it stays in your system 4 weeks after the last injection like the Sustanon does......so keep that in mind for PCT.
I don't post in here that much because I get tired of answering the same fu.cking questions by newbies who need to research the basics on their own before they get here.
DIV
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Those are my recommendations, what I would run if I was doing an 8 month cycle, which I would never do.
DIV
Yeah it's not something I plan on making to big of a habit of. I typically stay on a 10-12wk on 8-12wk off.
Given the duration of the proposed cycle do you think it would benefit me to break it up with a short break? And I do mean short 4-5wk max. Or is a break like this not worth it?
One last thing, I'm trying to work a deal on some GH right now, and will add it to the cycle if the price is right. So this is what I'm now thinking: run wk 1-12 as originally planned, wk 13 start GH wk17 start next cycle which includes GH throughout. Let me know what you think.
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Given the duration of the proposed cycle do you think it would benefit me to break it up with a short break? And I do mean short 4-5wk max. Or is a break like this not worth it?
I'd run it together and go balls out.
If you're gonna run long, do it right.
What's the point of a break when your HPTA is jacked anyway?
Supression can't be avoided...........make the sacrifice.
One last thing, I'm trying to work a deal on some GH right now, and will add it to the cycle if the price is right. So this is what I'm now thinking: run wk 1-12 as originally planned, wk 13 start GH wk17 start next cycle which includes GH throughout. Let me know what you think.
I agree.......run it at the end for fatburning purposes.
DIV
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Run T3 the last 6 weeks of the cycle. Don't run it twice in the same cycle, counterproductive to your thyroid.
Start at 50MCG for the first week and ramp up to 150MCG by the last week.
It's your discretion as far as how long you go for 100MCG before going up to 150MCG.
It's on you.
DIV
I understand that running t-3 for too long is damging to your thyroid, and that a sufficient break is needed after say a 6wk stint. But with a 10 week break in between the two 6wk cycles of t-3, do you still think it would be damaging to my thyroid?
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I understand that running t-3 for too long is damging to your thyroid, and that a sufficient break is needed after say a 6wk stint. But with a 10 week break in between the two 6wk cycles of t-3, do you still think it would be damaging to my thyroid?
What did I just say?
I don't think it'd be wise to run it twice in the same cycle? What didn't you understand about that?
With all the other shit in your system, don't you think there's a chance that the added stress of two T3 runs might be pushing it?
I gave you my opinion.........now decide for yourself.
DIV
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What did I just say?
I don't think it'd be wise to run it twice in the same cycle? What didn't you understand about that?
With all the other shit in your system, don't you think there's a chance that the added stress of two T3 runs might be pushing it?
I gave you my opinion.........now decide for yourself.
DIV
Maybe so, just double checking.
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I have made some small changes to my upcoming cycle and I feel pretty confident in the changes. After a bit of a source problem I will begin this cycle next week.
wk 1-30 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 1-16 Deca 600mg ew
wk 15-20 Tren-A 75mg eod
wk 17-24 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 25-32 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 28-33 T-3 25-100mcg ed
wk 31-33 Tren-A 75mg ed
wk 31-33 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 33 masteron 100mg ed
wk 1-33 HCG 500iu e5d
wk 1-16 arimidex 1mg ed
wk 17-33 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 17-33 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
wk 34-??? PCT (Not set on duration of PCT yet, usually only run it 3 wks may bump it up to 4 this time)
If any of you see any mistakes that I have made in this cycle let me know, as well as any suggestions.
I had actually thought about adding in some EQ at around wk 17, but I think I’ve e got enough to deal with here already without adding in anything else. The reason for the change is dosage of the arimidex is because while on deca I just do better with 1mg ed, but without the deca, I believe I can get by with splitting that dose.
DIV: After reading up a bit more on Halo and after all your touting of it, I have decided to add it to this cycle like you recommended. Since you have used it a good deal I was wondering, do you think I would be better off dropping it a couple of weeks to say only 6 since it is extremely toxic? Or would you say, since I am using it 2wks isn’t going to make a big difference?
My money is on you saying run it the full 8wks, but I could be wrong...let me know what you think.
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DIVISIONAL CHANGES:
wk 1-32 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 5-19 Deca 600mg ew
wk 16-23 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 22-29 Tren-A 75mg ed
wk 28-35 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 31-36 T-3 25-100mcg ed
wk 33-36 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 36 masteron 100mg ed
wk 1-36 HCG 300-500iu e5d
wk 1-36 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 20-36 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
DIV: After reading up a bit more on Halo and after all your touting of it, I have decided to add it to this cycle like you recommended. Since you have used it a good deal I was wondering, do you think I would be better off dropping it a couple of weeks to say only 6 since it is extremely toxic? Or would you say, since I am using it 2wks isn’t going to make a big difference?
My money is on you saying run it the full 8wks, but I could be wrong...let me know what you think.
As the cycle runs I made it 8 weeks on Halo, though if you feel sides you can go EOD instead of ED. Use Milk Thistle with this cycle, EFA's and plenty of C+E.
This 9 month cycle is a major.
DIV
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DIVISIONAL CHANGES:
wk 1-32 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 5-19 Deca 600mg ew
wk 16-23 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 22-29 Tren-A 75mg ed
wk 28-35 Halotestin 40mg ed
wk 31-36 T-3 25-100mcg ed
wk 33-36 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 36 masteron 100mg ed
wk 1-36 HCG 300-500iu e5d
wk 1-36 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 20-36 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
Use Milk Thistle with this cycle, EFA's and plenty of C+E.
DIV
Couple of questions in regards to the changes you made in this recommendation vs. the ones you made in your first recommendation:
At first you had the deca running from the beginning to wk 16, why did you now hold the deca off until wk 5 as well as shorten the duration?
Any reason for switching the order of the winny and tren? You had it tren then winny originally.
You also made it 1month longer than planned, any reason for that?
Finally, you recommended milk thistle as well as vit E & C, I've noticed from your post that you often mention that you take a lot of non-AAS supplements to aid in the whole process. Just out of curiosity, what all do you take, and is there anything else you would highly recommend?
As always, i really appreciate your time and input.
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At first you had the deca running from the beginning to wk 16, why did you now hold the deca off until wk 5 as well as shorten the duration?
Initially when I made the cycle it was a rough draft and it went to you for revising, now that you've given it back to me, I've fine tuned to my specifications.
Because you are taking in 1G test ew, the first four weeks you won't need any additional anabolics to start to feel things. It's basically an adjustment period to see how it feels and the intial boost will be more than enough. If you feel the need you can add D-bol, but considering the fact you will be cycling Winstrol and Halo which are both 17AA orals, I'd recommend against it.
Any reason for switching the order of the winny and tren? You had it tren then winny originally.
Are you sure I had Tren first? I always run Winstrol with Deca in the same cycle for a synergistic effect, and the fact that people complain that Winstrol affects their joints has essentially been negated by running it with the Deca which has a therapeutic effect on them. The Tren is for hardening, which is why I've left it for last.
You also made it 1month longer than planned, any reason for that?
I want a nice even number which makes this cycle 36 weeks (9 months).
The last 4 weeks are fine tuning and hardening, making sure that as much of the Deca and Sustanon as possible are out of your system so you can jump right in to PCT without delay.
Finally, you recommended milk thistle as well as vit E & C, I've noticed from your post that you often mention that you take a lot of non-AAS supplements to aid in the whole process. Just out of curiosity, what all do you take, and is there anything else you would highly recommend?
I'm basic, bro.
Before workouts I take:
Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Picolinate
ECA
Whey Protein w/ water.
Post-Workout shake:
40-60G Whey Protein Isolate
500MG Potassium
4G Vit C
300IU Vit E
Milk Thistle throughout the day.
DIV
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Again, as allways, much thanks to you for your time and advice.
On another note, this cycle will have to stop at wk 33 due to timing, but I will consider all the advice you have given and make changes where necessary to fit that set time frame.
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G R E A T cycle arnie!! I am sooooo jealous!
I'd agree with extending your PCT perhaps a little longer, but everything else looks great.
Milk thistle is probably not useful, and marble ran an amazing thread a while back indicating that it is not only useless but may also be counterproductive. I'll have to dig back a ways to find it, but the jist was to not use it.
Checking liver enzymes pre-cycle and at mid-point may not be a bad idea if you can swing it. If liver toxitiy concerns you, one suggestion would be tationil (reduced glutathione). 200mg IM every 4 weeks through the cycle may afford protection.
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G R E A T cycle arnie!! I am sooooo jealous!
I'd agree with extending your PCT perhaps a little longer, but everything else looks great.
Milk thistle is probably not useful, and marble ran an amazing thread a while back indicating that it is not only useless but may also be counterproductive. I'll have to dig back a ways to find it, but the jist was to not use it.
Checking liver enzymes pre-cycle and at mid-point may not be a bad idea if you can swing it. If liver toxitiy concerns you, one suggestion would be tationil (reduced glutathione). 200mg IM every 4 weeks through the cycle may afford protection.
We need Marble back for these reasons.
I use Tyler's Liver Detox.....the main ingredient is "Calcium Glucarate" which has been shown to protect the liver against bile buildup due to 17AA orals. It also contains Milk Thistle.
I'd like to see the Marble article.......to this point, no one had ever talked down on Milk Thistle.
DIV
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We need Marble back for these reasons.
I use Tyler's Liver Detox.....the main ingredient is "Calcium Glucarate" which has been shown to protect the liver against bile buildup due to 17AA orals. It also contains Milk Thistle.
I'd like to see the Marble article.......to this point, no one had ever talked down on Milk Thistle.
DIV
Silymarin/Milk Thistle has documented - proven liver reginerating properties
Also have IT in my suppliment supply . . .
While unrelated (to core of thread) . . . the amazing
Gingko Biloba is another (herb) should be considered (more) for
antioxident / free radical scavenging activities for serious athletes'
post exercise / recovery program . . .
Grape seed extracts, too.
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OH and a great cycle boys. Awesome talents amongst us . . .
I question whether my (old[er]) system could handle the
competant guidance, *very complete* list as shown.
One M O N S T E R of an upcoming cycle.
I cannot wait to hear of the results . . .
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One M O N S T E R of an upcoming cycle.
I cannot wait to hear of the results . . .
All I know is that is one load of a cycle that baby Arnold is going to undertake.
I would consider it an intermediate cycle, mainly because of the length and the high dose of Sustanon and amount of other anabolic added in.
He will feel this.
DIV
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OH and a great cycle boys. Awesome talents amongst us . . .
Agreed.
There are a lot of good guys on this board, and a lot of good info.
I cannot wait to hear of the results . . .
Yeah, I can't wait to see the results. Will definitely keep you all posted on this one.
All I know is that is one load of a cycle that baby Arnold is going to undertake.
He will feel this.
DIV
Your right, so far for me this cycle is the mother load. This one has been a long time coming, and I am definitely stoked about it. I'm hoping this year will be the year that I reach a lot of goals that I've been working towards for some time now. So baring injury or some other freak incident I do not see any reason why these goals won't finally be reached.
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Agreed.
There are a lot of good guys on this board, and a lot of good info.
Yeah, I can't wait to see the results. Will definitely keep you all posted on this one.
Your right, so far for me this cycle is the mother load. This one has been a long time coming, and I am definitely stoked about it. I'm hoping this year will be the year that I reach a lot of goals that I've been working towards for some time now. So baring injury or some other freak incident I do not see any reason why these goals won't finally be reached.
You should be feeling nice by the end of the first week or middle of the 2nd week at the lastest....
Then when the Deca kicks in you will be breaking plateaus in the gym.
As long as you eat right, train right and sleep right you will feel this.
This is my final word.
DIV
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I just finished a cycle at the end of October and will hold off on this next cycle until the first of the year. I have a basic idea of what I want to take, but what like some thoughts and inputs and advice on any changes some of you think I should make. The first half of the cycle will be for size, and the second half will be in prep for a show, so I am a little more concerned with the second part, but still want input on both. Here is what I'm thinking right now:
wk 1-16 sust250 250mg eod
wk 1-12 decca 600mg wk
wk 17-32 prop 100mg ed
wk 26-34 winny 50 50mg ed
wk 26-34 tren 200mg wk
wk 34 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-34 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
So what do you all think? I have also been thinking about adding t-3 in there but would like some input on that first, i.e. dosage, duration, and where it best fits. And yes I do have PCT planned, always do, HCG, clomid and nolva.
Did you ever do this cycle Arnold??
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Did you ever do this cycle Arnold??
Yes, but it ended up looking like this instead:
wk 1-24 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 5-19 Deca 600mg ew
wk 16-22 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 20-29 Tren-A 100mg ed
wk 20-25 t-3 25mcg ed
wk 25-30 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 26-30 T-3 25-100-150mcgmcg ed
wk 1-30 HCG 300-500iu e5d
wk 1-30 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 18-30 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
I dropped the halo and masteron because the show I was planning did not work out. I had some unfortunate events, a hamstring injury, as well as a stomach virus that set me back to where I couldn't be where I needed to be for the show.
As for the cycle, it went fine...I'm a little over 2wks into PCT and I feel good. This was a lengthy cycle but I always get myself checked on when dong a cycle. I had my blood work done before and at the middle of the cycle and I will have it checked again here in a couple of wks. I also keep a close eye on my blood pressure throughout the cycle.
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I like it.go for it and enjoy. keep us updated.
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Yes, but it ended up looking like this instead:
wk 1-24 Sust250 1000mg ew
wk 5-19 Deca 600mg ew
wk 16-22 Winstrol 50mg ed
wk 20-29 Tren-A 100mg ed
wk 20-25 t-3 25mcg ed
wk 25-30 Prop 1000mg ew
wk 26-30 T-3 25-100-150mcgmcg ed
wk 1-30 HCG 300-500iu e5d
wk 1-30 Arimidex 1mg eod
wk 18-30 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
I dropped the halo and masteron because the show I was planning did not work out. I had some unfortunate events, a hamstring injury, as well as a stomach virus that set me back to where I couldn't be where I needed to be for the show.
As for the cycle, it went fine...I'm a little over 2wks into PCT and I feel good. This was a lengthy cycle but I always get myself checked on when dong a cycle. I had my blood work done before and at the middle of the cycle and I will have it checked again here in a couple of wks. I also keep a close eye on my blood pressure throughout the cycle.
Why would you wait to start the deca? I say start that sh*t up on day one or sooner! and still run it as long, 19-20 weeks.
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I just finished a cycle at the end of October and will hold off on this next cycle until the first of the year. I have a basic idea of what I want to take, but what like some thoughts and inputs and advice on any changes some of you think I should make. The first half of the cycle will be for size, and the second half will be in prep for a show, so I am a little more concerned with the second part, but still want input on both. Here is what I'm thinking right now:
wk 1-16 sust250 250mg eod
wk 1-12 decca 600mg wk
wk 17-32 prop 100mg ed
wk 26-34 winny 50 50mg ed
wk 26-34 tren 200mg wk
wk 34 masteron 100mg ed
wk 17-34 clen 40-120mcg ed 2wk on 2wk off
So what do you all think? I have also been thinking about adding t-3 in there but would like some input on that first, i.e. dosage, duration, and where it best fits. And yes I do have PCT planned, always do, HCG, clomid and nolva.
thats a long one---- will your blood pressure remain in the healthy zone?
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I like it.go for it and enjoy. keep us updated.
The above post was the update...I've already finished the cycle.
Why would you wait to start the deca? I say start that sh*t up on day one or sooner! and still run it as long, 19-20 weeks.
It was more for a self experiment I guess. Instead of running both from the start, I was able to see how one affected me after it was already in my system for a while before adding the other, just to see how much difference it really made. Before hand I've always started both at the same time and will do so from here on out.
thats a long one---- will your blood pressure remain in the healthy zone?
My blood pressure was fine throughout. I got it checked very often and there was 0 change.
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I was talking about your next cycle? ;D
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My blood pressure was fine throughout. I got it checked very often and there was 0 change.
Lucky for you...everything (not just gear) seems to fuck with mine.
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WOW
i'd love to see before and after pics and stats
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WOW
i'd love to see before and after pics and stats
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I've always been tempted to post pics on here, but the nature of our topic at hand is what keeps me from doing so. It may be unwarranted paranoia, but I don't want to chance it...maybe I'll get over that one day.
Right now I'm at about 195, still floating in the 6% range...I'm 5"8' in my shoes.
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dang you short LOL ;) Im only 5'11 208 today >:( I was at 214 last week damn work hahaha making loose weight.
that awsome arnold 195 and stable with 6% looks great.I have a friend at the same height and weight about 5 to 6 % bf and that dude looks great and looks like he weighs about 225 or 230. So keep it up and when others start posting pics then I think your paranoia will go away thats why I havnt done it yet.
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I've always been tempted to post pics on here, but the nature of our topic at hand is what keeps me from doing so. It may be unwarranted paranoia, but I don't want to chance it...maybe I'll get over that one day.
Right now I'm at about 195, still floating in the 6% range...I'm 5"8' in my shoes.
Damn
you got me beat
im 5'7 with shoes :'(
195 is where i want to be at a 8% range ill be happy
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Excellent POST above mine here. Good job, DIV...
I plan on a mild MASS cycle starting this October until end of November...just an 8 week cycle.
I have access to british dragon dbols or drol...might add in a little bit of sus to the mix with a splash of deca. This is what I'm thinking about...
Last week of September...200mg of Deca(to kickstart it since deca takes at least 14 days to become active) then first week of Oct...it will be dbol @ 30mgs daily, deca at 200mg/week and sus250 @ 500mg week...
drop the dbol after week 5...and run the sus at 500mg/week and deca at 200mg/week...at week 7 sus will be 250/week and run deca at 200mg still and week 8 the same but week 9...just the deca at 200mg still and week 10...deca at 200mg. Then run clomid at 50mg everyday for 3 weeks.
I guess its more of an 11 week cycle here...
Eating like a king and focusing on the compound movements only w/ no cardio...I expect to be at 245-250lbs before the holidays...
Then give myself 7 weeks until I run a 15 week contest cycle for a May show where I will pull myself down to 212-215 ripped to shreds stage physique.