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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505268_162-57473677/sales-tax-on-web-purchases-could-be-coming/
Sales tax on Web purchases could be coming
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(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Congress is considering a bill that could result in a sales tax of five-to-ten percent on purchases made via the Internet, bringing prices on such buys in line with those at brick-and-mortar stores.
For years, "brick and mortar" stores such as Walmart and Target have been trying to get their online competitors, such as Amazon, to require their customers to charge sales tax.
And for years, the online companies blocked those efforts. But the momentum appears to be shifting, and online shopping could soon become more expensive.
A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales.
U.S. consumers spent more than $200 billion shopping online last year.
Fifty-three percent of Americans let their fingers do the shopping, averaging about $1,200. By 2016, 58 percent are expected to take the plunge, spending more than $1,700 dollars apiece.
Supporters of the legislation, like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R, Tenn.), insist it's less about raising taxes than it is about states' rights.
"Let's get out of the way and let states make their own decisions, and then the states can decide from whom they want to collect their sales taxes," he said on the Senate floor recently.
And he's getting help from some unlikely sources. At least a dozen conservative Republican governors, who are usually fervently anti-tax, now back giving states the power to tax online sales.
Why? Partly states' rights -- but it's also because their budgets are so squeezed, they need the money.
If the bill becomes law, an estimated $23 billion is expected to flow into state coffers, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Steve DelBianco is executive director of NetChoice, which represents Internet companies. He says the bill would mire thousands of small online businesses in a nightmarish web of new taxes.
"The big loser(s) (would be) small businesses," DelBianco asserts, "the same small businesses we're counting on to create the jobs to pull us out of the recession."
Alexander says the change in momentum on this issue is so profound, he's confident the measure will become law by next year at the latest.
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http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/senate-republicans-push-for-internet-sales-taxes
Senate Republicans Push for Internet Sales Taxes
By Julie Borowski on August 17, 2012
Despite their lip service to cutting taxes, a handful of Republican senators are pushing for a sales tax on Internet purchases. Senator Mike Enzi of Wyoming has introduced the so-called Marketplace Fairness Act that would create a new national online tax that would take away more of our money and freedom. The Republican cosponsors of S. 1832 are Sens. Lamar Alexander, Roy Blunt, John Boozman, and Bob Corker. These Internet sales tax schemes are nothing new but greedy politicians seem more determined than ever to pass it this year.
As it currently stands, you are not required to pay any state taxes if you are purchasing a product on the Internet from a store or a person in another state. States can only impose taxes on businesses within their borders. But that could all change if a handful of Democratic and Republican Senators get their way.
Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee told the Wall Street Journal that an online sales tax “is going to happen – if not this year, then definitely by next year.” (P.S. he’s up for reelection in 2014.)
Thankfully, there are still principled conservatives in the Senate who are standing firmly against a national online sales tax. Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina wrote an outstanding Wall Street Journal op-ed citing his opposition to the Marketplace Fairness Act. Here’s a clip:
At its core, this is a nationally mandated Internet sales tax on businesses. Once a single state demands these sales tax collections under the new law, businesses in every other state would be forced to comply with that state's tax laws. Dozens of states are eagerly waiting to raise those taxes, as soon as Washington opens the floodgates.
The burden on Internet entrepreneurs could be staggering. There are already nearly 10,000 state, local and municipal tax jurisdictions to navigate nationwide.
Just complying with a single state's tax laws costs small businesses disproportionately more than larger firms that can afford accounting and technology teams to help them work through these arcane laws. A 2006 PricewaterhouseCoopers study found that tax-compliance costs for small businesses (those having $1 million to $10 million in annual sales) are nearly 2.5 times greater than those of larger firms. For businesses under $1 million in sales, those costs explode to 16 cents on every dollar of revenue.
(The whole op-ed is worth reading here.)
Congress should be focused on cutting spending—not dreaming up new ways to take away even more money from families trying to make ends meet in this troubled economy. Sign the FreedomWorks’ petition to stop the online sales tax today.
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what the fuk !!!
Seriously, I thought republicans were the non-communists in USA :-\
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Lol you poor mothers it's going to suck do bad living I the us once the reps have you back in your stranglehold
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The more you tighten your grip, the more the internet will slip through your fingers, Lord Vader.
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Yes..how dare those evil republican govenors seek to establish equal footing for those brick and mortar compnies who have made a financial commitmet to their states.
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Illinois you have to report what you purchase online and then pay for the tax. Come April 15th
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Lol you poor mothers it's going to suck do bad living I the us once the reps have you back in your stranglehold
Stark don;t forget to send me that info Monday...lol
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Stark don;t forget to send me that info Monday...lol
Course not, as soon as my email is replied.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505268_162-57473677/sales-tax-on-web-purchases-could-be-coming/
Sales tax on Web purchases could be coming
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By
Chip Reid
Play CBS News Video
(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Congress is considering a bill that could result in a sales tax of five-to-ten percent on purchases made via the Internet, bringing prices on such buys in line with those at brick-and-mortar stores.
For years, "brick and mortar" stores such as Walmart and Target have been trying to get their online competitors, such as Amazon, to require their customers to charge sales tax.
And for years, the online companies blocked those efforts. But the momentum appears to be shifting, and online shopping could soon become more expensive.
A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales.
U.S. consumers spent more than $200 billion shopping online last year.
Fifty-three percent of Americans let their fingers do the shopping, averaging about $1,200. By 2016, 58 percent are expected to take the plunge, spending more than $1,700 dollars apiece.
Supporters of the legislation, like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R, Tenn.), insist it's less about raising taxes than it is about states' rights.
"Let's get out of the way and let states make their own decisions, and then the states can decide from whom they want to collect their sales taxes," he said on the Senate floor recently.
And he's getting help from some unlikely sources. At least a dozen conservative Republican governors, who are usually fervently anti-tax, now back giving states the power to tax online sales.
Why? Partly states' rights -- but it's also because their budgets are so squeezed, they need the money.
If the bill becomes law, an estimated $23 billion is expected to flow into state coffers, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Steve DelBianco is executive director of NetChoice, which represents Internet companies. He says the bill would mire thousands of small online businesses in a nightmarish web of new taxes.
"The big loser(s) (would be) small businesses," DelBianco asserts, "the same small businesses we're counting on to create the jobs to pull us out of the recession."
Alexander says the change in momentum on this issue is so profound, he's confident the measure will become law by next year at the latest.
I don't like it, it sucks but if thats all you got compared to Obamacare, increasing capitol gains taxes from 15 to 25%, raising taxes to pay a failed stimulus that went to other countries, etc, etc....then so be it. It's chump change.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505268_162-57473677/sales-tax-on-web-purchases-could-be-coming/
Sales tax on Web purchases could be coming
inShare13
More
By
Chip Reid
Play CBS News Video
(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Congress is considering a bill that could result in a sales tax of five-to-ten percent on purchases made via the Internet, bringing prices on such buys in line with those at brick-and-mortar stores.
For years, "brick and mortar" stores such as Walmart and Target have been trying to get their online competitors, such as Amazon, to require their customers to charge sales tax.
And for years, the online companies blocked those efforts. But the momentum appears to be shifting, and online shopping could soon become more expensive.
A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales.
U.S. consumers spent more than $200 billion shopping online last year.
Fifty-three percent of Americans let their fingers do the shopping, averaging about $1,200. By 2016, 58 percent are expected to take the plunge, spending more than $1,700 dollars apiece.
Supporters of the legislation, like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R, Tenn.), insist it's less about raising taxes than it is about states' rights.
"Let's get out of the way and let states make their own decisions, and then the states can decide from whom they want to collect their sales taxes," he said on the Senate floor recently.
And he's getting help from some unlikely sources. At least a dozen conservative Republican governors, who are usually fervently anti-tax, now back giving states the power to tax online sales.
Why? Partly states' rights -- but it's also because their budgets are so squeezed, they need the money.
If the bill becomes law, an estimated $23 billion is expected to flow into state coffers, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Steve DelBianco is executive director of NetChoice, which represents Internet companies. He says the bill would mire thousands of small online businesses in a nightmarish web of new taxes.
"The big loser(s) (would be) small businesses," DelBianco asserts, "the same small businesses we're counting on to create the jobs to pull us out of the recession."
Alexander says the change in momentum on this issue is so profound, he's confident the measure will become law by next year at the latest.
"A bipartisan bill before Congress would allow states to decide whether to tax online sales."
Oh for chrissakes - it's politicians being politicians. Has nothing to do with being a Repub initiative.
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Yes..how dare those evil republican govenors seek to establish equal footing for those brick and mortar compnies who have made a financial commitmet to their states.
The creative destruction of capitalism is at work in this instance and has decided that in certain categories of shopping, online companies ought to survive over brick-and-mortar businesses. So, your question really ought to be, "How dare those evil Republican governors seek to disrupt the natural function of markets, interfering for their own benefit and supporting a measure that will raise taxes on millions of Americans?", in which case it is no longer rhetorical.
Also, I'm sure another element of this Adonis is trying to highlight here is that Republicans adhere to a mythology of pure markets and a 'taxes are never to be raised' attitude, when in reality they are oftentimes just as anti-market and pro-tax as democrats.
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Don't a number of states already require taxpayers to self report internet purchases and pay the taxes as part of their tax returns? Soooooo...aren't the people who don't do that tax cheats? Adonis...do you report your internet purchases? If not, do you feel you have the right to criticize Mitt Romney on the issue of taxation? By all accounts, he's followed the letter of the law. If you're violating the law..shouldn't you just STFU? :)
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The creative destruction of capitalism is at work in this instance and has decided that in certain categories of shopping, online companies ought to survive over brick-and-mortar businesses. So, your question really ought to be, "How dare those evil Republican governors seek to disrupt the natural function of markets, interfering for their own benefit and supporting a measure that will raise taxes on millions of Americans?", in which case the question is no longer rhetorical.
Interesting take...but fundamentally flawed. The market has moved to online sellers in large part because you can avoid taxation by cheating and not reporting the purchase on your taxes. That isn't a built in competitive advantage...it's a loophole that's a vestige of a time when online sales didn't amount to enough to matter. If you believe that it isn't the government's job to pick winners via tax policy, you have to support taxing online sales at the point of purchase
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Interesting take...but fundamentally flawed. The market has moved to online sellers in large part because you can avoid taxation by cheating and not reporting the purchase on your taxes. That isn't a built in competitive advantage...it's a loophole that's a vestige of a time when online sales didn't amount to enough to matter. If you believe that it isn't the government's job to pick winners via tax policy, you have to support taxing online sales at the point of purchase
Your argument works if we assume that the current setup constitutes "cheating," but I don't think that that is obvious at all.
To me it doesn't seem that shopping from an online entity that exists outside of your state and thus not having to pay sales tax on your purchases (since the Constitution prohibits states from taxing interstate commerce and the S.C. court established that jurisdiction for such a tax is only established when the entity has a physical location in the state) is "cheating." And I'm certainly not alone in thinking this way, as Illinois's internet sales tax was recently struck down.
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That sux
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Perhaps..but your line of thinking ignores technology. The internet allows companies to create a virtual store that's every bit as real and as detailed as a brick and mortar operation. They're utilizing methods of accessing that store that exist within the boundaries of my state...cable, wireless towers, my computer, phone etc... Those virtual stores would not exist without them...so, the argument that they are not entitled to special treatment has some merit.
Besides...numerous states other than Illinois require the reporting of internet purchases, so I fail to see why Illinois should be considered the controlling opinion...
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Romney & Ryan have absolutely zero chance of winning. None. The reps should have come with the ticket of Jerry Sandusky & Charles Manson- they would have gotten more votes.
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Thank you, Mr Non-Sequiter.....
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Look at the size of that fish.
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Give me one good reason why you would vote for Obama.
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Give me one good reason why you would vote for Obama.
I already gave you two. His foreign policy and his stance on Internet Freedom.
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are repubs trying to lose this election?
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I already gave you two. His foreign policy and his stance on Internet Freedom.
His foreign policy is horrid. Kisses the asses of dictators and ignores and mocks our allies. If anything he's a traitor.
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are repubs trying to lose this election?
If there is one thing you dont do, its mess with peoples internet, and that goes with anything having to do with the internet. There are a lot more nerds on this planet than we think lol
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If there is one thing you dont do, its mess with peoples internet, and that goes with anything having to do with the internet. There are a lot more nerds on this planet than we think lol
yeah, suck the nerd's giant e commerce dick, repubs. ;D
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yeah, suck the nerd's giant e commerce dick, repubs. ;D
Remember a few months back when they wanted to regulate the internet and people went apeshit? lol. Gee, imagine if people had that sort of passion for so many other important issues? World hunger would be cured lol
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Perhaps..but your line of thinking ignores technology. The internet allows companies to create a virtual store that's every bit as real and as detailed as a brick and mortar operation. They're utilizing methods of accessing that store that exist within the boundaries of my state...cable, wireless towers, my computer, phone etc... Those virtual stores would not exist without them...so, the argument that they are not entitled to special treatment has some merit.
Besides...numerous states other than Illinois require the reporting of internet purchases, so I fail to see why Illinois should be considered the controlling opinion...
What's wrong with setting up a virtual store from one of the states with no sales tax?
Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon have no sales tax. Move all virtual business's to one of these states.
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When these guys start fucking with internet freedom you can tell there real agenda. You dont need to be a conspiracy theorist to understand that some elites really dont like the internet.
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Lot of broke dick dudes in this thread. If you buy something in my state, you pay sales tax. Why wouldn't I expect it on an Internet purchase? 5% isn't shit.
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Lot of broke dick dudes in this thread. If you buy something in my state, you pay sales tax. Why wouldn't I expect it on an Internet purchase? 5% isn't shit.
You do realize its in every interest for more than few special interest groups to have control of what you see online. Sites like getbig are nanny stated enough could you imagine not being allowed to slander certain public figures because of their steroid usage.
All the jews in hollywood, already want the ability to search your hard drive for any money you might owe them, ISPs wanna control what you download so they dont have to dish out bandwidth, not to mention all the issues with unregulated content, free this and that.
You have no idea how many groups hate the internet and have a pretty god dam good way of controlling people if they can get the law on their side.
This aint no fucking conspiracy theory shit either.
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Lot of broke dick dudes in this thread. If you buy something in my state, you pay sales tax. Why wouldn't I expect it on an Internet purchase? 5% isn't shit.
I think its less about being broke than anything else. I am not broke, my friend aren't broke. I think it has more to do with the fact that every time you turn on the news its something else like this. I think people get frustrated. 5% is nothing, you're right. Like I said, I think people just "sigh" when they hear stuff like this because you never know whats going to be next! Can you see it like that, instead of people being broke? Short sighted view to assume everyone is broke.
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What's wrong with setting up a virtual store from one of the states with no sales tax?
Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon have no sales tax. Move all virtual business's to one of these states.
Closer to convincing me...but it still doesn't adress the issue that you are operating a virtual store within my borders using technology that exists in my borders...in essence, it's virtual brick and mortar. So...I can stil see the rationale for taxing it.
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I think its less about being broke than anything else. I am not broke, my friend aren't broke. I think it has more to do with the fact that every time you turn on the news its something else like this. I think people get frustrated. 5% is nothing, you're right. Like I said, I think people just "sigh" when they hear stuff like this because you never know whats going to be next! Can you see it like that, instead of people being broke? Short sighted view to assume everyone is broke.
Something has to pay for the welfare state. Seriously, a nation is just like a business. Money in has to be more than money out. We don't manufacture shit, so in order to get the revenue we need to keep the country afloat, you must tax the inhabitants. I get this, and on this basic level, I'm sure most do. Until everyone puts in their fair share, and pays their fair share, this is the only means we have of generating "income" for our country.
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Something has to pay for the welfare state. Seriously, a nation is just like a business. Money in has to be more than money out. We don't manufacture shit, so in order to get the revenue we need to keep the country afloat, you must tax the inhabitants. I get this, and on this basic level, I'm sure most do. Until everyone puts in their fair share, and pays their fair share, this is the only means we have of generating "income" for our country.
I agree that there has to be taxes to pay for things but the issue I have is that we are over spending on shit that can be cut out completely. The wars, lifetime welfare, the useless studies, extravagant parties, paying $10,000 for a hammer, 1.5 Billion for the olympics...it goes on and on.
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I agree that there has to be taxes to pay for things but the issue I have is that we are over spending on shit that can be cut out completely. The wars, lifetime welfare, the useless studies, extravagant parties, paying $10,000 for a hammer, 1.5 Billion for the olympics...it goes on and on.
Issue is the government is building a case to regulate the internet, of all things that cant be destroyed by the nanny state nothing is more vulnerable than the internet.
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In 2010 the US goverment took in $2,650,000,000,000 in tax revenue.
That's $2.65 TRILLION and they are still broke. Give them nothing more. They are insane.
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I agree that there has to be taxes to pay for things but the issue I have is that we are over spending on shit that can be cut out completely. The wars, lifetime welfare, the useless studies, extravagant parties, paying $10,000 for a hammer, 1.5 Billion for the olympics...it goes on and on.
Read the Rise and fall of the Third Reich and tell me we don't need to spend money on military research/weapons. Not saying we need to be in foreign wars, but we need to be ready. Lifetime welfare, what are you going to do? I'd say exterminate the lifers, but that will never happen so we must keep paying for the lazy masses. And, as far as $10,000 hammers, the government employee is the biggest waste of money. That shit needs to be privatized so that bonuses can be given out for coming in under budget, instead of careless spending so that you can get a bigger budget for the following year. I have done work on government jobs where they literally gave me $25,000 in material that they over ordered and didn't want to take it back. That's sick and people should lose their jobs for shit like that.
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Something has to pay for the welfare state. Seriously, a nation is just like a business. Money in has to be more than money out. We don't manufacture shit, so in order to get the revenue we need to keep the country afloat, you must tax the inhabitants. I get this, and on this basic level, I'm sure most do. Until everyone puts in their fair share, and pays their fair share, this is the only means we have of generating "income" for our country.
Well, no shit man. I realize this. As I said, I think people are just frustrated and think to themselves, "WHAT'S NEXT?"
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Well, no shit man. I realize this. As I said, I think people are just frustrated and think to themselves, "WHAT'S NEXT?"
Oh, well, carry on then. Broctune ;D
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Oh, well, carry on then. Broctune ;D
Broctune? ??? ???
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Broctune? ??? ???
Damn bro, I thought you'd pick up on it, you got Mr Belvedere in your avatar.
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Damn bro, I thought you'd pick up on it, you got Mr Belvedere in your avatar.
ahaha, its been a while since ive seen it lol. :D :D
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If Romney can exploit every tax loophole, so can the corporations -- and they do. They can simply move their corporations to offshore tax havens and tax shelters.
One can avoid paying taxes via various "valuation games and techniques". Just ask Romney. The corporations and those running the corporations are as bad as Romney or worse.
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So Romney only pays 15% on his millions but the average Joe whose wage hasn't gone up in 30 years now has to pay internet tax.
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So Romney only pays 15% on his millions but the average Joe whose wage hasn't gone up in 30 years now has to pay internet tax.
Yes.
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Funny, I remember you supporting a national sales tax, True Adonis.
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Funny, I remember you supporting a national sales tax, True Adonis.
Only if the income and all other taxes are completely dropped.
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yes, the retail tax that exists where the purchaser is...the problem with that is?....
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I already gave you two. His foreign policy and his stance on Internet Freedom.
Campaigning as an anti-war president then expanding war into Afghanistan (and Pakistan), the same number of troops overseas as under Bush, never getting around to that whole closing Gitmo thing he promised? Signing and pushing ACTA on the rest of the world?
The dude is totally full of shit.