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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: CREALMADRID on September 30, 2012, 08:24:24 AM
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What do you think or know-does he take something from PHIL`s 250k???
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I doubt it,he gets plenty cooking for them and he gets to take pics with them for his fst7.
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yes, at that level, they take a percent.
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yes, at that level, they take a percent.
r u sure?
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LMAO. George Farah made at least 5-10k off Jeff Long and we all saw how well he has done. Of course gurus take a percentage. Why do you think Kai left Oscar?
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r u sure?
yes..Oscar used to do with Kai and Ramrod with Jay.
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yes..Oscar used to do with Kai and Ramrod with Jay.
kai and oscar were best friends and kai offered to pay him 50% of his wins+all the acomodation and food when they travelled to shows...btw do you know how much kai earnd in prices all these years from 2006?i saw threads about it
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(http://www.dutchbodybuilding.com/gallery/data/793/Hany_Rambod_004.jpg)
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rim job 30 - 50% ...
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I sent George an email once and his quote was 5k for the year
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I sent George an email once and his quote was 5k for the year
LOL....He told me 3,500...no joke...lol
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LOL....He told me 3,500...no joke...lol
I wonder what he has off Kai? 10 percent?
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What the hell makes you think he would do it for free? lol
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What the hell makes you think he would do it for free? lol
lol
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LOL....He told me 3,500...no joke...lol
Lol,
Eat fish and brown rice, oh yeah and get a scale it has to be exactly 8oz,PayPal only please;)
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He should be giving branch a refund :D
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All gurus have different ways to get paid, they don't do it for free? Nor does anyone except them to not get paid.
1. You agree to a set fee for training, advice, etc for x amount of time (12 week prep, or whatever)
2. You agree to a percentage of the prize money if you do get some, but do not pay up front.
Don't get why you don't like the gurus? George Farah worked with Kai Greene and brought him into the best physique of his career. Hany has worked with Phil Heath for a while, and it was worked. Kudos to them.
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"All gurus have different ways to get paid"...you mean shysters & con men ?? gurus LOL
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Don't get why you don't like the gurus? George Farah worked with Kai Greene and brought him into the best physique of his career. Hany has worked with Phil Heath for a while, and it was worked. Kudos to them.
Shawn Ray never used a guru.
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Shawn Ray never used a guru.
Makes you wonder who would be Mr. Olympia today if there were no gurus.
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Don't get why you don't like the gurus? George Farah worked with Kai Greene and brought him into the best physique of his career. Hany has worked with Phil Heath for a while, and it was worked. Kudos to them.
outside of giving an unbiased set of eyes to judge conditioning, i dont see any reason why anybodybuilder would ever need to use a "guru" unless they were severely mentally handicapped.
i think most of the time these guys actually get paid by the so called "guru" in order to pimp him out and get him business from amatuers who believe the hype.
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Yes.. 'trainers'. Who are we kidding? Seems like a cunning way to get your name out there, if not as a drug guru then as a trainer no less. As if Philsulina needs that 'extra edge' on his training regimen from Rimjob to get his glutes dialed in (in which case the name is all too appropriatte). Either they are completely lying about this and its actually the trainer paying them to say they trained them to get their name out, or as im suggesting these guys are pretty much drug gurus.
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i dont see any reason to have a drug "guru" either. if i remember correctly your a natty and done have experience expirementing with bodybuilding drugs but there is no secret recipe, special combination, or especially great way to use the drugs. you just try them all, find your favorite, and use as much as your willing to/can afford to. holds true with steroids and GH as well. insulin useage, which i think is not as common as it used to be, is a little more tricky but still pretty fucking simple and theres no reason to have a "guru" for any of that shit. as for coming in as dry as possible, you see the dryest guys are the ones who get in shape a couple weeks out, keep water high untill the night before the show and then let the water drain over night and just take little tiny sips the day of the show while eating some carbs
"gurus" are useless
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Yes.. 'trainers'. Who are we kidding? Seems like a cunning way to get your name out there, if not as a drug guru then as a trainer no less. As if Philsulina needs that 'extra edge' on his training regimen from Rimjob to get his glutes dialed in (in which case the name is all too appropriatte). Either they are completely lying about this and its actually the trainer paying them to say they trained them to get their name out, or as im suggesting these guys are pretty much drug gurus.
it's drugs of course. shawn didn't need anyone to help him train and do cardio, but it was john brown, who taught him the drug timing and dial-in game.
i'd guess hany gets 10% of phil and jay's winnings plus coverage for travel and odd expenses. after that and taxes, the 250k is only 110K or so for phil.
i think kai was the only one with the ridiculous 50% ::) deal with oscar.
even the best ones like hany and chad can't command a big % from the top guys' money like a boxing promoter would. phil could easy jump to george and still win the olympia. hany has no pull when it comes to Dad and his Fat Son Judges.
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8) You have to be a mental midget to hire one of these dipshits .
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i dont see any reason to have a drug "guru" either. if i remember correctly your a natty and done have experience expirementing with bodybuilding drugs but there is no secret recipe, special combination, or especially great way to use the drugs. you just try them all, find your favorite, and use as much as your willing to/can afford to. holds true with steroids and GH as well. insulin useage, which i think is not as common as it used to be, is a little more tricky but still pretty fucking simple and theres no reason to have a "guru" for any of that shit. as for coming in as dry as possible, you see the dryest guys are the ones who get in shape a couple weeks out, keep water high untill the night before the show and then let the water drain over night and just take little tiny sips the day of the show while eating some carbs
"gurus" are useless
good post's here tbombz,,
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Didn't Guru's help kill King Kamali's career?
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I sent George an email once and his quote was 5k for the year
I can confirm this from a friend who just signed up with Farrah
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I sent George an email once and his quote was 5k for the year
same here. but for that money my drugs better be included along with meal prep. I heard way back Chad used to get 20k from the guys he prepped. Milos the same, when Silvio, Wolf etc was with him, he also got a percentage of Melvin's contract money and prize winnings when he trained him.
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r u sure?
Yes. I actually talked to Hany a few years ago about working with him.
Amatuers can pay a monthly amount for off season training then there is a pre contest fee, but its discounted if working together year round.
A few trainiers down in Florida get 10% of what you earn. JM takes a BIG chunk from his girls winnings.
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:)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/23102/0/d/img_22601348988774.jpg)
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Shawn Ray never used a guru.
neither did yates,,,, i dont think kev lev used one either
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neither did yates,,,, i dont think kev lev used one either
There probably were advisors somewhere in the shadows. Actually I'm pretty positive there were. ;)
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;D Paying that short fat toad five grand to get you in shape ? Anybody ever ask him why he can"t even sustain a reasonable low maintenance physique himself ? How bizzar how bizzar . lol and wow .
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:D
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Having a 'guru' just means you want someone else to buy, schedule and inject yourself. Thus you can just focus on simple shit like sleeping. Back in the 80's all those guys didn't need gurus, steroids was easier to get than AIDS.
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neither did yates,,,, i dont think kev lev used one either
Shawn Ray was advised by Joe Weider himself. Dorian Yates's guru was Mike Mentzer
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Shawn Ray was advised by Joe Weider himself. Dorian Yates's guru was Mike Mentzer
Joe wouldn't know how to advise Pros of thar era what to take. And Dorian was in England, and was doing stuff that would make Mentzer woozy.
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Shawn Ray was advised by Joe Weider himself. Dorian Yates's guru was Mike Mentzer
LMAO, funniest post today :D
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good post's here tbombz,,
thanks nj
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thanks nj
ur welcome...
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Not sure if Yates had a fulltime guru, but Duchaine, and a guy you don't hear much from, but who was very good, Brian Batcheldor where mentioned as slight advisors over over the years.
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What percentage do they get when their competitor loses?
Is the broke-ass dumbass paying up front? Or, does the dipshit guru get his ass kicked and bad-mouthed?
Hiring a "Fooroo" is like admitting to the bodybuilding world that you can't think for yourself and that you are in dire need of a cheerleading squadron.
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Not sure if Yates had a fulltime guru, but Duchaine, and a guy you don't hear much from, but who was very good, Brian Batcheldor where mentioned as slight advisors over over the years.
Duchaine was the drug guru back in the day, but I'm not sure if Yates would openly acknowledge a relationship given the lack of openness about steroids?
Watching Phil's interview on flexonline with Hiney Rimjob, I don't think he was lying about Rimjob helping him with his diet and training at all. I guess an advantage of having a coach is the motivation and objective assesment of the physique. I'm sure it helps someone to nudge you along and tell you what you might be doing wrong.
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neither did yates,,,, i dont think kev lev used one either
Used Dave Palumbo a few shows, said it on NBR a few years ago.
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Duchaine was the drug guru back in the day, but I'm not sure if Yates would openly acknowledge a relationship given the lack of openness about steroids?
Watching Phil's interview on flexonline with Hiney Rimjob, I don't think he was lying about Rimjob helping him with his diet and training at all. I guess an advantage of having a coach is the motivation and objective assesment of the physique. I'm sure it helps someone to nudge you along and tell you what you might be doing wrong.
Yates talked about drugs here and there.. never lied about them. He basically said he talked to people but learned by experimenting. Worked out his own diet.. based everything on science and common sense. He didn't have a "guru" like todays people.
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Yates talked about drugs here and there.. never lied about them. He basically said he talked to people but learned by experimenting. Worked out his own diet.. based everything on science and common sense. He didn't have a "guru" like todays people.
Yea a few guys like yates and shawn ray were self motivated and smart enough to work it out on their own. That would seem more gratifying than following someones orders into a show I think.
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Hiring a "Fooroo" is like admitting to the bodybuilding world that you can't think for yourself and that you are in dire need of a cheerleading squadron.
Yeah, like baseball players dont have a hitting coach, agents, managers, batting coach, catching coach, personal helpers, advisors. Or any other sport. I guess they do it all themselves too.
Like it or not, sometimes you need another eye to tell you if you look good, with muscularlity, symmetry, conditioning.
Guys like Hany Rambod, Chad Nichols, George Farah, and others are there because people ask for them. And some of them have pretty good track records. If you don't like it, don't use a trainer or an adviser.
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Yeah, like baseball players dont have a hitting coach, agents, managers, batting coach, catching coach, personal helpers, advisors. Or any other sport. I guess they do it all themselves too.
Like it or not, sometimes you need another eye to tell you if you look good, with muscularlity, symmetry, conditioning.
Guys like Hany Rambod, Chad Nichols, George Farah, and others are there because people ask for them. And some of them have pretty good track records. If you don't like it, don't use a trainer or an adviser.
Sure Ron......like Noel Fuller right?
Creepy subculture of freaks, liars, and FILT!
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I say if you have the money then go for it! It is better if you are very good friends with a pro that has won shows. I used a top pro as my nutritonist and guru all for free! sure he did not put me first because he had others paying for his time all day/ everyday. But we worked out at the same gym and he would always take time if he had it to help me out. Alot of people are not in that position though. would I have payed for his advice? No. because I know I cannot make the pro's on the amount of drugs I use.
If I really wanted to go pro and think I had a chance to make some cash I would pay for a guru. TRhey help out big time! I think alot of people including myself could do it on our own but if you have the cash no reason not to have someone in your corner keeping you on track.2 heads put together are better then 1.
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If I was paying hte dude 50% of winning...
I'd make my guru cook for me & wash my clothes and whatnot.
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"Advisor..." ;D
You could carry that analogy as far as a simplistic Truckdriving School. Think I was misunderstood.
The guy gets that far without any help, and many times, fires his "guru" and returns to his own best instincts.
Also, another variable to consider. In Trucking School I doubt they teach you how to use Meth. If these guys truly are hiring gurus to teach them how to maximize their dope usage, you have a completely different set of moral standards than someone who is simply learning to "better himself" ~
These guys don't need help with proper exercise form or anything remotely legitimate to that of a baseball player IMO.
I think this topic is just as dark, ugly and enigmatic as any could be. Is Pro Baseball Playing considered an "underground cult" type of sport?
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neither did yates,,,, i dont think kev lev used one either
Kevin levrone's guru was abdul ghani
shawn ray's guru was Sasha -the tranny told him which hole to put it in
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Ask Johnny O Jackson about his experience with Farah's creepy ass. He'd be more than happy to tell you Farah has his favorites and rips people off for at least 5-10 stacks.
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Some do it for free. Rolley's one for example.
Also plenty of doctors out there who help just as a hobby, and don't take a cut of winnings.
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I think if you have a working brain and do research your self you will be fine..
But if you are just a meat head who is genetically blessed then why not hire one f these guys ? My best guess is they do the diet and training but most importantly tell you what gear to take and monitor your blood work and health and most importantly of all the slin + hgh protocols is what people pay for .. the most..