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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SUPREME BEING on November 26, 2005, 10:07:15 AM
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I am starting my first cycle:
Decided to use:
sust 1-12 250mg Mon 250mg thurs
deca 1-10 200mg per week
Clomid pct
Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno
What do you think of this for a first cycle. I know for a newbie i should be using Test (enathate or Cypionate) but i read a lot about sust and would rather try sus (do you agree or feel this is a bad move).
Now the cost of my goods are questionable, i have a reliable source but seems very expensive, what do you guys reckon?
Relative costs are:
50 amps of Sustanon (Karachi)250mg 1 Amp = £165 (estimate $300)
50 amps of Deca(Norma) 100mg/ml 2ml = £200 (estimate $400)
Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much
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test 500 mg/wee
deca 400 mg/week
for first time, and maybe dbol 30mg/day
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thats alot of juice, ull for surer have left overs so no i dont think that is a bad price to pay for all that. doing sust for first cycle is ok because it is still test but if ur doing sust i would inject it 3 times a wk (mon, wed, fri) and again bump the deca to 400mg. this cycle should produce good gains. good luck bro and keep us posted.
muscle
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I am starting my first cycle:
Decided to use:
sust 1-12 250mg Mon 250mg thurs
deca 1-10 200mg per week
Clomid pct
Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno
Looks good to me.......wish I'd used test my first cycle......would have prevented the Decadick.
See how this cycle works for you, you will definitely grow........there is no way you won't.
Just make sure you bust nuts in the gym, eat, sleep.....etc.
DIV
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test 500 mg/wee
deca 400 mg/week
for first time, and maybe dbol 30mg/day
This cycle is better. Also use the nolva for pct.
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Agree. Deca at 200 mg is probably pretty useless unless you just want to capitalize on the anti-inflammatory properties. Us older guys will often add it in at low doses for that reason, but that's because our joints are pretty fu*ked up at this point ;D. I'd raise the deca to 400mg per week. If it's your first cycle, I would keep the test at 500mg. You'll want room to expand on this in future cycles (which you WILL do once you see the results of this one! ;)).
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That's a decent first cycle.. sust and deca.
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Thanks for the replies. However, i have a problem; recently i twisted my knee running - it is quite bad and looks like i won't be training legs in the next couple of months.
Should i still go ahead with this cycle regardless of the fact that i cannot no longer train legs or shall i wait till my knee is okay?????
What do you guys reckon as i am ready and psyched to go with this cycle!!!
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That sucks! I don't know what to tell you. I like to enter a cycle when I'm at my best. I'd probably hold off. What exactly did you do to the knee?
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DITTO - wait until you can maximize the gains
(especially) for your first cycle. No sense in holding
back (protecting) your knee. Wait and GO all out!
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Test and Deca were (also) my first . . .
and remain my staples 10 years later . . .
as ffMD mentioned. Deca IS *great for the joints*
and used (prescribed) for older adults (like me)
on HRT specifically for this role . . .
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Thanks for the replies. However, i have a problem; recently i twisted my knee running - it is quite bad and looks like i won't be training legs in the next couple of months.
Should i still go ahead with this cycle regardless of the fact that i cannot no longer train legs or shall i wait till my knee is okay?????
What do you guys reckon as i am ready and psyched to go with this cycle!!!
I would wait too...you are the SUPREME BEING, you have a long time to cycle...like for eternity. :D
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Thanks for the replies. However, i have a problem; recently i twisted my knee running - it is quite bad and looks like i won't be training legs in the next couple of months.
Should i still go ahead with this cycle regardless of the fact that i cannot no longer train legs or shall i wait till my knee is okay?????
What do you guys reckon as i am ready and psyched to go with this cycle!!!
Like the others said, hold off until you are healed.
Don't waste a cycle when you are injured.
DIV
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Okay guys my knee has healed well so i am basically ready to start my cycle. However, before i do i have one more question:
I have some major examinations coming up in the next 3 weeks, so basically i was wondering if the cycle i will be on will have major negative effects and not allow me to preform to my best on these exams.
I know my dosage is quite low but in reality i will be varying my hormones which will have an unpredictable effect on my revision plans.
Anyway just some advice required from some experienced juicers or anyone who has had a similar situation. I would be very happy if you could tell me of some experiences in which the juice effected you adversely when coming to: work / education/ etc.
Hopefully everyone tells me to go ahead and start the cycle instead of postponing it further ;D ;D ;D ;)
Thanks for any advice guys.
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Hopefully everyone tells me to go ahead and start the cycle instead of postponing it further ;D ;D ;D ;)
Thanks for any advice guys.
What did I just tell you in the preceding thread?
You say you twisted your knee and won't be able to train the next couple months, but now it's all healed and ready?
I call bullshit.
DIV
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What did I just tell you in the preceding thread?
You say you twisted your knee and won't be able to train the next couple months, but now it's all healed and ready?
I call bullshit.
DIV
I calll Truth: injury was not as bad as i thought. The MRI scan gave me the all clear and already began light training on my knee, it feels okay, it seems strongish, just going to slowly build the strength back up (lot of light leg extensions, who knows maybe even start squatting again soon).
So back to my previous question? Any advice other than questioning the validity of my claims ;D ;D
Thank guys
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f'uck squats ... never done em , never will.
gimme leg presses and deads on a back day anyday of the week over squats.. just too fuggin dangerous... my poor knees!
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I calll Truth: injury was not as bad as i thought. The MRI scan gave me the all clear and already began light training on my knee, it feels okay, it seems strongish, just going to slowly build the strength back up (lot of light leg extensions, who knows maybe even start squatting again soon).
So back to my previous question? Any advice other than questioning the validity of my claims ;D ;D
Thank guys
For some injuries to the knee, leg extensions can be the worst thing.
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For some injuries to the knee, leg extensions can be the worst thing.
Agreed, lot of stress on the knees with these.
Address 2 more points concerning this thread:
To answer your queston on the cost of supplies "Supreme" looks OK to me. Yeah, you can find cheaper, but you can find a hell of a lot more expensive too. If you know your source is legit, and has quality products I don't see a problem with the price.
As far as your knee injury goes, I'm not going to question the validity of your quick miraculous healing, only you know the truth and real story... whether your telling the truth or if you are full of shit, I could care less. Not trying to sound cold, I wouldn't wish injury on anyone, but it doesn't really matter here. The only thing that matters is if you are completely healthy or not, and only you know that. If your not then don't do the cycle, no matter how bad you want to. Wait until you are at 100% so you can train hard and properly, and take full advantage of the cycle as well as the money you spent.
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As far as your knee injury goes, I'm not going to question the validity of your quick miraculous healing, only you know the truth and real story... whether your telling the truth or if you are full of shit, I could care less. Not trying to sound cold, I wouldn't wish injury on anyone, but it doesn't really matter here. The only thing that matters is if you are completely healthy or not, and only you know that. If your not then don't do the cycle, no matter how bad you want to. Wait until you are at 100% so you can train hard and properly, and take full advantage of the cycle as well as the money you spent.
Yep, Arnie is right waste of time and money to cycle if you cant train balls to the wall. Injuries are likely to appear on cycle anyhow, if you are not careful.
I don't know if you guys are like this but injuries seem to come in cycles for me. It's like there is a period of nagging minor strains that come on. Then there are periods where things feel great.
"Life is like a box of cycles" :D
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"Life is like a box of cycles" :D
Fwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Laugh my friggin* ass OFF!
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I calll Truth: injury was not as bad as i thought. The MRI scan gave me the all clear and already began light training on my knee, it feels okay, it seems strongish, just going to slowly build the strength back up (lot of light leg extensions, who knows maybe even start squatting again soon).
I think you should build all your strength back up to where you were before before you start cycling.
At least have that foundation.
DIV
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Okay i will wait till my leg weights get back up! :'(
Can't wait to cycle though, going to bust my ass in the gym next few weeks.
Thanks for all advice guys, much appreciated. Will let you all know how things go when i do finally begin my cycle (until then the damn exams are top of my agenda :'().
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Ok guys i started my cycle this week.
Just one quick question regarding next week shots:
Currently taking 500mg sust and 400mg Deca (see cycle earlier in thread)
The Deca is 100mg per ml, hence my first shots were 3cc's as sust 250 is 1cc:
200mg Deca and 250mg Sust - split up into two injections
Now i have researched that it is not a good idea for a newbie to shoot more than 2cc's in the leg or more than 1.5cc's in shoulder. Hence, my questions to you is what shall i do next week, will this mean i will require 4 shots (i.e. 1cc in both shoulders and 2cc's in both legs = 6cc's total for week).
I have already shot in left glute and right glute this week so would like to rotate my sites. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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put 200 deca and 250 sust in one syringe... just used sanitary procedures to do this... ie draw the sust first... then change needles then clean your vial of decca and draw it into the syringe... then change to your needle you pin with
hit any one of your spots with this on mon then hit another spot with same protocol on thur or wich ever days suit you...that way with each shot your gettin 1cc decca and 1cc of sust but over the two shots that week youll get your 500mg sust and 400 of decca and it will b spread out even to avoid drops in your levels.... also shoot your muscle group that your goin to train an hour before you work out example... if its leg day shoot your quad an hour before or if its shoulder day hit your delt an hour before....... i know it sounds crazy but this is great advice given to me by div and it works to keep down the swelling of the injection site and gets the blood flowin to pick it up ;)
quads have now become my fav to pin
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put 200 deca and 250 sust in one syringe... just used sanitary procedures to do this... ie draw the sust first... then change needles then clean your vial of decca and draw it into the syringe... then change to your needle you pin with
hit any one of your spots with this on mon then hit another spot with same protocol on thur or wich ever days suit you...that way with each shot your gettin 1cc decca and 1cc of sust but over the two shots that week youll get your 500mg sust and 400 of decca and it will b spread out even to avoid drops in your levels.... also shoot your muscle group that your goin to train an hour before you work out example... if its leg day shoot your quad an hour before or if its shoulder day hit your delt an hour before....... i know it sounds crazy but this is great advice given to me by div and it works to keep down the swelling of the injection site and gets the blood flowin to pick it up ;)
quads have now become my fav to pin
Thanks for the reply mate but thats what i did this week for glute shots, the problem is the 200mg Deca is: 2ml - Vial Nandrolone Decanoate NORMA - Each ml contains 100mg. Therefore, 200mg Deca = 2ml (Or 2cc). 200mg Deca combined with sust = 2cc + 1cc = 3cc. Hope this makes it clearer than my previous post.
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ah i gotcha now man.......... and i forgot its sust not enanthate lol forget what i just posted but what you are gonna have to do is rotate shots...
dont b scared of hittin your quads man, i was but its easy as can b and still follow the protocol of pinnin the muscle group before you work out
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Ok its kool i got a solution, i don't mind injecting at all so my plan is:
125mg Sust, 100mg Deca - Monday (1.5cc Left delt)
125mg Sust, 100mg Deca - Wednesday (1.5cc Left quad)
125mg Sust, 100mg Deca - Friday (1.5cc Right quad)
125mg Sust, 100mg Deca - Sunday (1.5cc Right delt)
Total 500mg Sust, 400mg Deca, also this solution will allow more stable blood levels with eod injections of sust.
What you guys reckon of this solution then??
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looks good bro, expecially if u dont mind needles (like me ;D) i actually like to pin, makes me feel good fro some reason. good luck with this cycle and do u have a pct plan lined up?
muscle
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looks good bro, expecially if u dont mind needles (like me ;D) i actually like to pin, makes me feel good fro some reason. good luck with this cycle and do u have a pct plan lined up?
muscle
Yeah I like the pinning too...it's part of the whole process and it kind of gets you pumped up just knowing what you've just done is going to seriously help you produce.
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Yeah I like the pinning too...it's part of the whole process and it kind of gets you pumped up just knowing what you've just done is going to seriously help you produce.
Pumps me up too & also while im doing it i sweat like hell!
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looks good bro, expecially if u dont mind needles (like me ;D) i actually like to pin, makes me feel good fro some reason. good luck with this cycle and do u have a pct plan lined up?
muscle
I actually enjoy the pinning too, strange but true. I have got PCT lined up and will update the thread closer to end of my cycle. Thanks for advice guys
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Thanks for the reply mate but thats what i did this week for glute shots, the problem is the 200mg Deca is: 2ml - Vial Nandrolone Decanoate NORMA - Each ml contains 100mg. Therefore, 200mg Deca = 2ml (Or 2cc). 200mg Deca combined with sust = 2cc + 1cc = 3cc. Hope this makes it clearer than my previous post.
Bro,
You can shoot up to 3mL in either the quad, delt or pec.
I've done them all......main thing is to press ball deep in to the muscle tissue and go slow, but once you're in deep, you're in.
Then you just need to keep that pressure and pump that oil in.
It's like an art form, you get better with practice.
Don't be scared to go more than 1.5mL for every stick......after awhile this all becomes routine......even the occasional bleeder down your leg. :)
DIV
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I am into my 4th week of the cycle. Feel like strength has increased, poundages have increased and look bigger. No acne, not much bloating and feel quite normal - side effects have not really hit my so far!
I was worried about gyno early on so i took Nolva 20mg ed.
Couple of questions:
1. Is it okay for me to stop the nolva and just start up again whenever i feel signs of gyno coming on, or should i continue with my current 20mg ed?
2. I will have a lot of sust over at the end of this cycle so is it possible to increase the amount to: 750mg per week (or is this too much for a newbie)?
Thanks for advice guys
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I am into my 4th week of the cycle. Feel like strength has increased, poundages have increased and look bigger. No acne, not much bloating and feel quite normal - side effects have not really hit my so far!
I was worried about gyno early on so i took Nolva 20mg ed.
Couple of questions:
1. Is it okay for me to stop the nolva and just start up again whenever i feel signs of gyno coming on, or should i continue with my current 20mg ed?
2. I will have a lot of sust over at the end of this cycle so is it possible to increase the amount to: 750mg per week (or is this too much for a newbie)?
Thanks for advice guys
Use nolva as needed, if not needed don't take it, just keep it on hand
Stay at current sust dose and save the rest for your next cycle.
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I will have a lot of sust over at the end of this cycle so is it possible to increase the amount to: 750mg per week (or is this too much for a newbie)?
If you started at 500MG ew, stay at that dosage.
Increasing at the end is counterproductive to recovery, esp with Sustanon.
DIV
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Okay guys i am on week 11 of my cycle but have a problem: weight gain has stopped since week 9 and i am having few problems.
I have a slight pain in either side of my back near my kidney region - the pain is barely mentionable but i feel extremely bloated in this last week and also gettin sharp pain in the sides when doing cardio. I drink water consistently throughout the day and taking vitamins and eating very healthily. Diet is brilliant and consuming good mix of vegetables and quality carb source plus 1.5 grams protein per bodyweight (mainly from chicken). Due to the slight pain in my sides i figured my kidneys are suffering and been taking cranberry extract and cranberry juice to hopefully improve things. Also, i noticed i am urinating a lot more than usual (could be because i have slightly increased water intake last week due to pain), urine is usually clear so that should not be a problem.
Another problem is that i am getting a slight pain in my left pec almost as if i have a 'stitch' from running. However, this pain has remained this last week and just getting bit anxious due to it.
Anyway my question to you guys is shall i end my cycle early and start PCT 3 weeks after my last sust shot. Or should i continue the cycle for last 2 weeks? Any help with kidney pain and remedy and other pain in my chest?
If i do decide to end my cycle this week then when should i get my blood work done: as soon as i can or after PCT?
Thanks in advance guys and just to note i have gained a total of 15 lbs and my bodyfat is lower than before to about 12%. Strength gains were incredible in some lifts but not in bench - was able to deadlift more than 550 lbs which i am very pleased about. Cycle made me feel good, did not have any problems apart from ones listed above. On a side note i was informed by my girlfriend that my temper had increased slightly but i think this is BS and she is just using stereotypical view of roids and trying to apply it me.
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Sorry i don't think any1 read the last post so BUMP for advice without creating new thread.
BUMP :D
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Sorry i don't think any1 read the last post so BUMP for advice without creating new thread.
BUMP :D
I'm going to need more detail about your kidney pains and your pec pain......
Those are kind of vague.
A Test/Deca cycle does not produce those types of sides.
DIV
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I'm going to need more detail about your kidney pains and your pec pain......
Those are kind of vague.
A Test/Deca cycle does not produce those types of sides.
DIV
Sorry DIV for vague info.
I decided to do some research and read a few papers and a few sites so realise it could be uninary tract infection as i went to the bathroom atleast 7 times last night. Have to go to check it out at the doc for sure. However, feeling so much better today....could just been kidneys working harder due to excess amounts of protein being consumed. I think it is a minor issue but will have to discontinue the juice at end my cycle now just incase as i don't want anymore complications later.
As for pain in chets i think i could just be trapped nerve or just muscle pains from chest workout. Regardless i have increased my cardio and even after 45 mins cardio y-day its feeling slightly better today.
Will keep you all informed on post PCT and if i keep my gains. Also, will check for advice on next cycle because i love this shit.......the DARKSIDE sure is stong. ;D
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orry DIV for vague info.
I decided to do some research and read a few papers and a few sites so realise it could be uninary tract infection as i went to the bathroom atleast 7 times last night. Have to go to check it out at the doc for sure. However, feeling so much better today....could just been kidneys working harder due to excess amounts of protein being consumed. I think it is a minor issue but will have to discontinue the juice at end my cycle now just incase as i don't want anymore complications later.
As for pain in chets i think i could just be trapped nerve or just muscle pains from chest workout. Regardless i have increased my cardio and even after 45 mins cardio y-day its feeling slightly better today.
Will keep you all informed on post PCT and if i keep my gains. Also, will check for advice on next cycle because i love this shit.......the DARKSIDE sure is stong.
If it's a UTI, then you don't necessarily need to stop your cycle, but get it treated for sure.
The "DarkSide" is only as strong as you let it be.
Don't let it destroy you......
DIV