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hi guys
been a really big fan of frank zane
as im not really big
what are you guys thoughts on him
and what is his diet like
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I f bbing is about great physiques with shape and conditioning then his was one of the best,but nowaday's it is about big and freaky and his legacy get's lost in the shuffle :-\
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I have routinely compared my physique to his.
I am not, will not (at 45) ever be a mass monster.
I have sort of considered him my model of fitness.
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hi guys
been a really big fan of frank zane
as im not really big
what are you guys thoughts on him
and what is his diet like
Zane was the master of the zero carb diet......that is why he was always in such good condition for shows....but a low carb diet is very hard to stay on.
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hi guys
been a really big fan of frank zane
as im not really big
what are you guys thoughts on him
and what is his diet like
When I was growing up we all wished we were built like Zane. I don't see who would want to look like the guys of today.
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true but sad reality is people see pro bbing today as freak's,zane's size is possibly attainable,but contest condition is another matter between diet and some sort of contest prep drug's to achieve that grainy and seperated muscle he had and maintain size he was about 190 185 in shape,that's still lightheavy in amateur level.
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Young Frank Zane winning the 67/68 Universe.
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Zane was the master of the zero carb diet......that is why he was always in such good condition for shows....but a low carb diet is very hard to stay on.
NO SH!T!!!
619 do you know where I could go to read more of this . . . linls or URLS
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I think Zane was HIGHLY overrated. He never should have won the O.
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I think Zane was HIGHLY overrated. He never should have won the O.
::)...still don't get it do ya?
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::)...still don't get it do ya?
He wouldn't place in the top 10 of most current top amateur shows looking like this
(http://www.abodybuilding.com/images/fz40.jpg)
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How he was allowed to beat Robby, I'll never know
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Even at age 90 or so or however the fuck old he was here, he was better than Zane ever was
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Robby should have won a lot more shows.
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He wouldn't place in the top 10 of most current top amateur shows looking like this
(http://www.abodybuilding.com/images/fz40.jpg)
agreed
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I hate Frank Zane >:(
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I hate Frank Zane >:(
alot of us do
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alot of us do
I joke around a lot about how much I think his physique was overrated, but I obviously don't know the man. He seemed to be kinda humorless on the Flex magazine show though. Wouldn't laugh even when Levrone and Ray were cracking pretty funny jokes. Also, he looked so small compared to those guys. I know he was retired for a long time at that point, but it seemed inconceivable that he was ever a bodybuilder.
The thing about Zane is that he was Mr O at the low point of bodybuilding. The dark ages so to speak. He would have been annihilated by Arnie or Sergio and also by the next era guys like Haney, Labrada, and Ray.
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He would have been annihilated by Arnie or Sergio and also by the next era guys like Haney, Labrada, and Ray.
Thats funny, b/c Zane beat Arnold at the Mr Universe contest........and to be honest Haney, Labrada and Ray would also destroy Arnie.........
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Thats funny, b/c Zane beat Arnold at the Mr Universe contest........and to be honest Haney, Labrada and Ray would also destroy Arnie.........
With all due respect 619, judges at bodybuilding contests are fags. This is a fact.
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With all due respect 619, judges at bodybuilding contests are fags. This is a fact.
I concur!
We should start a Robby thread.........having seen RR in person I can tell you this first hand ................his upper body was so amazing ............I feel lukcy to have seen him in person......even today thee are very few pros with an upper body like Robby!
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I concur!
We should start a Robby thread.........having seen RR in person I can tell you this first hand ................his upper body was so amazing ............I feel lukcy to have seen him in person......even today thee are very few pros with an upper body like Robby!
uhmmmm.....sarcasm?
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uhmmmm.....sarcasm?
Hell no-dead serious....
Robby was awesome.........had to see in person.....same with Dorian.........pics only tell about half the story, in person those guys are amazing!
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Hell no-dead serious....
Robby was awesome.........had to see in person.....same with Dorian.........pics only tell about half the story, in person those guys are amazing!
I always felt Robby was way under rated & even Arnold held him to a lower level.
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I always felt Robby was way under rated & even Arnold held him to a lower level.
Same here...in Pumping Iron Waller said he was more worried about Robby than Katz....no shit, Robby is 100 times better than Katz and Robby was better than Waller too..........
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I concur!
We should start a Robby thread.........having seen RR in person I can tell you this first hand ................his upper body was so amazing ............I feel lukcy to have seen him in person......even today thee are very few pros with an upper body like Robby!
I've seen Robby many time as well . . . I was at the 76 Universe, 77,78 & 79 Olympias and Robby ( in those contests )could not hold a candle to Frank.
It's all about the day of the contest.
Ronnie Abston
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That justifies a guy that looks very small compared to every other Mr O beating a guy with such great aesthetics and flow as Robby?
I just don't buy these kinds of arguments about Zane.
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That justifies a guy that looks very small compared to every other Mr O beating a guy with such great aesthetics and flow as Robby?
I just don't buy these kinds of arguments about Zane.
I don't view them as arguments, rather statements of fact. I was there . . . Robby was great, but he had poorly shaped quads, no calves and was in poor condition. Zane on the other had brought ( on the day of the contest ) great shape, balance and conditioning. He was the clear cut winner.
Oh, and don't believe what you read about a " zero carb " diet. Frank always had carbs in his iet, they would be dropped to near zero a few days prior to the contest to drain water and assist in carb loading. Fact.
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Wow-I must take notes on this from the expert...hahaaaaaa.....D ouble XL=Hurricane Beef! But both are as gay as the day is long.....
I must say, I would have little trouble dealing with you in a trail or on a stage.
Big Ronnie Abston MBA, LLB
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I train with Frank every now and again and he is still a warrior on the iron, has a better body than most 20yr olds still.
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I must say, I would have little trouble dealing with you in a trail or on a stage.
Big Ronnie Abston MBA, LLB
Where is my note pad....must take notes from Hurricane Homo.....
;D
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I train with Frank every now and again and he is still a warrior on the iron, has a better body than most 20yr olds still.
You must of looked like crap when you were 20.
I've seen Frank in person & I wouldn't make that statement
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You must of looked like crap when you were 20.
I've seen Frank in person & I wouldn't make that statement
I was thinking the same thing-I have seen pics of him in the last year and he looks like a grandpa........not as old as his wife though-she looks ancient.
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I think Serge Nubret was even better than RR, and definitely better than zane. Great asthetics yet massive. Zane capitalized at the right time - you also had Schwarzenegger, Ferrigno, Columbu out of the picture by 1977.
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I think Serge Nubret was even better than RR, and definitely better than zane. Great asthetics yet massive. Zane capitalized at the right time - you also had Schwarzenegger, Ferrigno, Columbu out of the picture by 1977.
Yeah, he couldn't really help that he won during a time period when the competition was very weak. That was the only era in which he could have possibly had a chance of winning.
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Serge Nubret had very narrow shoulders, no quads, and no calves. Robby Robinson had very little development from the waist down. Zane was perfectly balanced.
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You hit that nail on the head, Brian
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Serge Nubret had very narrow shoulders, no quads, and no calves. Robby Robinson had very little development from the waist down. Zane was perfectly balanced.
Zane was balanced. Zero upper body as well.
Who but Tom Platz had great quads in thoes days?
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Zane sucks more over rated he sucked of wielder for those titles
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Serge Nubret had very narrow shoulders, no quads, and no calves. Robby Robinson had very little development from the waist down. Zane was perfectly balanced.
like zane had good leg development ::) yeah, and zane was really wide ::)
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For the time period of the 70s,when no-one had what you would call massive legs,Zane did indeed have good legs.Balanced thighs,calves and hamstrings.You`re trying to compare his leg development of 30 years ago,with the leg development of todays guys.It always makes me smile when people put Zane down for a lack of size,yet in this shot of him with Mentzer from the 79 Olympia,he looks pretty good.
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For the time period of the 70s,when no-one had what you would call massive legs,Zane did indeed have good legs.Balanced thighs,calves and hamstrings.You`re trying to compare his leg development of 30 years ago,with the leg development of todays guys.It always makes me smile when people put Zane down for a lack of size,yet in this shot of him with Mentzer from the 79 Olympia,he looks pretty good.
what i meant by my previous post was: if you are going to criticize Robby and Serge for certain "flaws"- take a second look at zane and you will realize that he had his flaws too. people try to rationalize his victories, but it is clear that both of these guys were better than him.
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I`ve never said Zane had no flaws,but i have said that he deserved his Olympia wins.No-one knows if Serge was better than him,because in 1975 they were in different weight classes,and Serge never competed against him in 77,78 and 79.Even though Robby did compete against him in those shows,Zane deserved to win.I`m the first one to admit that photgraphs of Robby in the mags in that time period,were more impressive than Zanes.But Robby never walked onstage at the contest looking like he did in the mags.
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Arnold even admits that Mentzer should have beaten Zane in 79...but Mike's posing sucked & he never learned how to control his stomach.
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A picture is worth 1000 words, and this pic vividly illustrates why Zane was a 3x Mr. O and set a trend of detail, overall balance and conditioning that has helped define the state of the art in bodybuilding in the roughly 25 years since.
Mentzer was undoubtedly a formidable competitor but look at the difference here, it's like night and day--Zane was as far ahead of his competition as Ronnie is today.
So all you whiny crybabies *coughflexfancough* who weren't even alive in 1979 better give Zane his due, he more than deserves his place in history.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44997.0;id=52254;image)
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Well said Dan,and i don`t think anyone could accuse Mentzer of being a "swimmer".
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A picture is worth 1000 words, and this pic vividly illustrates why Zane was a 3x Mr. O and set a trend of detail, overall balance and conditioning that has helped define the state of the art in bodybuilding in the roughly 25 years since.
Mentzer was undoubtedly a formidable competitor but look at the difference here, it's like night and day--Zane was as far ahead of his competition as Ronnie is today.
So all you whiny crybabies *coughflexfancough* who weren't even alive in 1979 better give Zane his due, he more than deserves his place in history.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44997.0;id=52254;image)
alright- i admit it. I really don't like Zane's physique. I'm biased.
One thing though- I was born in 1975 ;D
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As crownshep said, Zane had his flaws like every other bodybuilder, but to say he sucked or looked like a swimmer is ridiculous.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37350.0;id=39051;image)
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Arnold even admits that Mentzer should have beaten Zane in 79...but Mike's posing sucked & he never learned how to control his stomach.
I call bullshit. I have never read anything along these lines. NEVER
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I call bullshit. I have never read anything along these lines. NEVER
In Australia during a 1980 pre contest meeting things got hot between Mentzer and Arnold. Arnold blurted out "Mike, we all know why you didn't win the 1979 Olympia, you had a big stomach".
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I call bullshit. I have never read anything along these lines. NEVER
When I find it on the net...I'll post you.
I forget people like you need to be proved wrong.
It will make you look like a jackass.
It is mentioned in Arnolds Bodybuilding Encyclopedia under the posing section...if you have it.
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Well if it's any consolation, if the 1979 Mr. O were being held today, with today's judges, Mentzer would undoubtedly be the winner.
Mentzer was big, blocky, had a somewhat bloated stomach and none of the details or refinements of Zane. Which with current judging criteria would've made Mighty Mike a shoo-in for the top spot. :)
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Well if it's any consolation, if the 1979 Mr. O were being held today, with today's judges, Mentzer would undoubtedly be the winner.
Mentzer was big, blocky, had a somewhat bloated stomach and none of the details or refinements of Zane. Which with current judging criteria would've made Mighty Mike a shoo-in for the top spot. :)
Well...I guess from what I read....Mike's routine for the the 79 Olympia just sucked.
He just did a couple of poses...didn't hold them very long...& was done.
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Well...I guess from what I read....Mike's routine for the the 79 Olympia just sucked.
He just did a couple of poses...didn't hold them very long...& was done.
Knowing Mike & his ego... he probably thought he was so good that that was all that was necessary to lock up first place. ;D
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Knowing Mike & his ego... he probably thought he was so good that that was all that was necessary to lock up first place. ;D
Yeah...it worked well.
;)
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When I find it on the net...I'll post you.
I forget people like you need to be proved wrong.
It will make you look like a jackass.
It is mentioned in Arnolds Bodybuilding Encyclopedia under the posing section...if you have it.
You do that son, prove me wrong, make me look like a jackass.
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You do that son, prove me wrong, make me look like a jackass.
I found it last night & I was wrong in the chapter.
It's where Arnold talks about diet & he felt Mike drank/ate something between prejudging & evening show that costed him the show.
It was more than I wanted to type last night...but I'll get to it loser.
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The sooner the better, tiger.
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That justifies a guy that looks very small compared to every other Mr O beating a guy with such great aesthetics and flow as Robby?
I just don't buy these kinds of arguments about Zane.
Robby used to show up contest day as smooth as a newly opened jar of peanut butter.
Mike
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Mike was a great comp. He refined training and brought out many new methods. However Zane I believe took bodybuilding backwards with his three Olympia wins by todays standards even with his non detail you all say he had he could not even win a local show Frank Zane was not ripped because low carbs the guy was ripped and flat because he was addicted to cytomel which eventually burned his thyroid completely out.
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Speaking of Zane... what the hell was this?
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Arnold even admits that Mentzer should have beaten Zane in 79...but Mike's posing sucked & he never learned how to control his stomach.
Terrible quality, but heres the show:
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Mike was a great comp. He refined training and brought out many new methods. However Zane I believe took bodybuilding backwards with his three Olympia wins by todays standards even with his non detail you all say he had he could not even win a local show Frank Zane was not ripped because low carbs the guy was ripped and flat because he was addicted to cytomel which eventually burned his thyroid completely out.
Well, like him or not, he was great...and, like it or not...it'll soon being going back to champs his size
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I have met Frank and he is a very kind person but that in no way means that he deserved his trophy. And it will never go back to his size he wasn't even 200 lbs waist will go down yes but Frank was just a normal dude
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Actually, you'd be surprised if you'd seen him compete in person...he did compete at 205 in his last Olympia, minus some detail.
I feel drugs qwill be severely compromised in their availability...and you will see shrinkage of size throughout
and, come now....you don't really think he was a 'normal dude'?
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I do think he was a normal dude the way things are looking no pro is having a problem so I think waists will go down and size will go up
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Probably true
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Well...I guess from what I read....Mike's routine for the the 79 Olympia just sucked.
He just did a couple of poses...didn't hold them very long...& was done.
I saw Mike's posing from the 80 O in that "Total Rebuild" movie (or whatever it was fuckign called) about Arnold, and it was just how you described.......Mike's posing was short, shakey did not hold a single pose, just fucking awful!
How could you be at that level and be such a bad poser-not not bad-AWFUL POSER?????
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Robby used to show up contest day as smooth as a newly opened jar of peanut butter.
Mike
Yep, that looks like a "newly opened jar of peanut butter" to me....Now, where can I get some jelly for that PB???????
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Yep, that looks like a "newly opened jar of peanut butter" to me....Now, where can I get some jelly for that PB???????
Robby was great....but I think his skin tone killed his career.
It's not that he was black...but he must be one of the blackest guys that ever competed. I feel it destroyed (or hid) alot of his detail.
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Yep, that looks like a "newly opened jar of peanut butter" to me....Now, where can I get some jelly for that PB???????
That shot is from a Florida pro show that he won...Mentzer came in 2nd.
He was phenomenal in nearly every show he was in....except for the Olympias. I exaggerated with the penut butter joke...but, standing next to Zane...you saw how badly he'd missed his mark
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Looking at the pictures of the 77 and 78 Olympia, Frank was on and Robby was not. Always bloated compared to Frank.
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your words ring true, ronrico
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Robby look phenominal cleary should have beat Zane
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.....I am a much bigger Robby fan but respect Zane immensely.....if memory serves me correctly Robby had the flu in '78 or'79 and was very watery as a result....fever, chills, sweats etc.....
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Yes, in either of those years, that was the story
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.....I am a much bigger Robby fan but respect Zane immensely.....if memory serves me correctly Robby had the flu in '78 or'79 and was very watery as a result....fever, chills, sweats etc.....
me too, RR had such incredible shape/gentics.
I was lucky enough to see Robby guest pose at the 1989 LA Open, and his double bicep shot was the best I have ever seen in person, just unreal.
His entire upper body was unreal, the bench mark for BBing. His legs were small with no cuts, but overall an amazing build.
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Well, Robby had big thighs, but the muscles, particularly around the areas of the knees, were underdeveloped...quads could have been better, Hamstrings big, calves moderately weak.
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Well, Robby had big thighs, but the muscles, particularly around the areas of the knees, were underdeveloped...quads could have been better, Hamstrings big, calves moderately weak.
When I saw him in person his legs were pathetic, not big at all, maybe 25 inches if he was lucky.
Cannot say what they looked like before then, but in 89 they were awful.. But his upper body was unreal.
Another thing about that show-Arnold and Maria showed up with the kids! First time I eve saw him in person, Arnold spoke briefly...was filming a show then, Total Recall if I remember right???
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GOOD THREAD,i like all the positive zane talk,he was a great bber and represented his era's mr olympia well.robby was a freak for that time was haney like in seventies .
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GOOD THREAD,i like all the positive zane talk,he was a great bber and represented his era's mr olympia well.robby was a freak for that time was haney like in seventies .
Yes, Haney and Robby had similar builds........both had great backs, upper bodies.....Haney had a better chest (best in the business in the 80's) and Robby had better arms.... the best arms I have ever seen in person.
Love the old days.
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Yes, Haney and Robby had similar builds........both had great backs, upper bodies.....Haney had a better chest (best in the business in the 80's) and Robby had better arms.... the best arms I have ever seen in person.
Love the old days.
I think when robby was winning shows in later 70's 76/80 arnold was not competing,they may have went head to head in mid 70's or trained together in same group?robby could have hung with arnold on some poses.when i flipped through my dads old mags then robby was literally scary looking,physique and looks.
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I think when robby was winning shows in later 70's 76/80 arnold was not competing,they may have went head to head in mid 70's or trained together in same group?robby could have hung with arnold on some poses.when i flipped through my dads old mags then robby was literally scary looking,physique and looks.
Robby started competing in the IFBB in 1975, the year they filmed Pumping Iron, and of course Robby is in PI. The 1975 O was Arnold's last show-so the missed each other in head to head compeition.
The funny thing in PI is Ken Waller said he was more worried about Robby than Katz-and RR blows Ken Waller in the fucking weeds!
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Robby started competing in the IFBB in 1975, the year they filmed Pumping Iron, and of course Robby is in PI. The 1975 O was Arnold's last show-so the missed each other in head to head compeition.
The funny thing in PI is Ken Waller said he was more worried about Robby than Katz-and RR blows Ken Waller in the fucking weeds!
i have to rewatch p.i. there is a lot going on...
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Robby was great....but I think his skin tone killed his career.
It's not that he was black...but he must be one of the blackest guys that ever competed. I feel it destroyed (or hid) alot of his detail.
The Beef is still waiting for you to scan the page in Arnolds book where he said Mike should have beaten Zane.
The Beef
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Robby started competing in the IFBB in 1975, the year they filmed Pumping Iron, and of course Robby is in PI. The 1975 O was Arnold's last show-so the missed each other in head to head compeition.
The funny thing in PI is Ken Waller said he was more worried about Robby than Katz-and RR blows Ken Waller in the fucking weeds!
Arnold did retire in 1975, but made a one show comeback in 1980 winning the mr. Olympia. Robbi switched over to the nabba federation after the 1979 Mr.Olympia and came back to the IFBB in 82/83
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Arnold did retire in 1975, but made a one show comeback in 1980 winning the mr. Olympia. Robbi switched over to the nabba federation after the 1979 Mr.Olympia and came back to the IFBB in 82/83
WOW-here is a fucking line up (Dave Johns was the THICKEST BBer I have ever seen in person-chest to back ratio was 2 feet deep)!
1981 Pro World Cup - WABBA
1 Sergio Oliva
2 Serge Nubret
3 Robby Robinson
4 Ahmet Enünlü
5 Dave Johns
6 Kalman Szkalak
7 Tony Pearson
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WOW-here is a fucking line up (Dave Johns was the THICKEST BBer I have ever seen in person-chest to back ratio was 2 feet deep)!
1981 Pro World Cup - WABBA
1 Sergio Oliva
2 Serge Nubret
3 Robby Robinson
4 Ahmet Enünlü
5 Dave Johns
6 Kalman Szkalak
7 Tony Pearson
i've got that mag. the photos were awesome. i'll scan a few pics.
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Yes...that is an incredible lineup...top to bottom
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The Beef is still waiting for you to scan the page in Arnolds book where he said Mike should have beaten Zane.
The Beef
It says 'could' not 'have'