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I'm guessing it's going to turn out they were trained by Iran and we'll be at war soon with them over it.
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I'm guessing it's going to turn out they were trained by Iran and we'll be at war soon with them over it.
He was racist Against blacks.
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Boston bomber was thrown out of his mosque for 'raged filled rant' against Martin Luther King
Dailymail ^ | April 21, 2013 | James Nye
Posted on April 21, 2013 10:18:14 AM EDT by Gorilla44
Boston marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was thrown out of his local mosque for 'crazy' behavior after getting involved a 'shouting match' with his imam according to one member of the congregation.
Described as being full of rage by a worshiper who would give his name only as Muhammad, Tamerlan was ejected from the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center three months ago for claiming that Martin Luther King Jr. was not a man Muslims should look to emulate.
This revelation comes as Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of Tamerlan, claimed that his nephew had fallen under the spell of a mysterious religious leader in Cambridge, Massachusetts, who radicalized him and his brother Dzhokhar into committing Monday's terror outrage.
The dramatic confrontation between Tamerlan and his imam began when the 26-year-old interrupted a solemn Friday prayer service three months ago.
The imam had just offered up assassinated civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. as a fine example of a man to emulate - but this reportedly enraged Tamerlan.
'You cannot mention this guy because he’s not a Muslim!' Muhammad recalled Tamerlan shouting, shocking others in attendance according to the LA Times.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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He was racist Against blacks.
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Boston bomber was thrown out of his mosque for 'raged filled rant' against Martin Luther King
Dailymail ^ | April 21, 2013 | James Nye
Posted on April 21, 2013 10:18:14 AM EDT by Gorilla44
Boston marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was thrown out of his local mosque for 'crazy' behavior after getting involved a 'shouting match' with his imam according to one member of the congregation.
Described as being full of rage by a worshiper who would give his name only as Muhammad, Tamerlan was ejected from the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center three months ago for claiming that Martin Luther King Jr. was not a man Muslims should look to emulate.
This revelation comes as Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of Tamerlan, claimed that his nephew had fallen under the spell of a mysterious religious leader in Cambridge, Massachusetts, who radicalized him and his brother Dzhokhar into committing Monday's terror outrage.
The dramatic confrontation between Tamerlan and his imam began when the 26-year-old interrupted a solemn Friday prayer service three months ago.
The imam had just offered up assassinated civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. as a fine example of a man to emulate - but this reportedly enraged Tamerlan.
'You cannot mention this guy because he’s not a Muslim!' Muhammad recalled Tamerlan shouting, shocking others in attendance according to the LA Times.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
how's that relate to my question, I don't get it?
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how's that relate to my question, I don't get it?
333 is on his cut and paste binge this morning.. screwing up other threads as well
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333 is on his cut and paste binge this morning.. screwing up other threads as well
http://app.debka.com/p/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap
This explains obama meeting w saudis tis week as well as michelle visting the sa guy in the hospital and obama thaking putin before #2 was caught.
They knew exactly wo this was.
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333 is on his cut and paste binge this morning.. screwing up other threads as well
mmmmm maybe fox news smart ;D
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http://app.debka.com/p/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap
This explains obama meeting w saudis tis week as well as michelle visting the sa guy in the hospital and obama thaking putin before #2 was caught.
They knew exactly wo this was.
I could have written that article..
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http://www.freepatriot.org/2013/04/20/glenn-beck-says-he-has-proof-boston-bombing-is-inside-job/?fb_source=pubv1
Lets see what happens tommorow.
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http://www.freepatriot.org/2013/04/20/glenn-beck-says-he-has-proof-boston-bombing-is-inside-job/?fb_source=pubv1
Lets see what happens tommorow.
Let me throw out a guess. He makes a ridiculous claim, throws out some convoluted timeline type drawing on a dry erase. When his claims are proven false as they usually are, people like you will forget about how silly his claims were and how wrong he was, just like you have. 6 months from now, he will come out with another amazing claim, and you will post a link and say "Lets see what happens tommorow...
That's just my guess... I could be wrong
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http://www.freepatriot.org/2013/04/20/glenn-beck-says-he-has-proof-boston-bombing-is-inside-job/?fb_source=pubv1
Lets see what happens tommorow.
lolololol another big non story hannity anyone this is so big that we'll wait till monday to come out with it. what kind of idiot watches this clown
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lolololol another big non story hannity anyone this is so big that we'll wait till monday to come out with it. what kind of idiot watches this clown
Only shit for brains for voted for obama find nothing wrong whatsoever with:
1. Russia warned us of him in 2011 and we did not do dick.
2. He was on the radar and went back to russia for 6 months and was never questioned
3. Michelle Obama met w the saudi person of iterest in the hospital whose family has ties to al queada
4. Obama had an emergency meeting w the Saudis' why?
5. Obama was allowed to go to Boston w a terrorist on the loose not knowing if there were coconspirators why?
There are a ton of serious problems here.
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I'm also just guessing on all this but I think the deal will be made if it hasn't already that we won't oppose Russia when they go in to wipe out all opposition in and around Chechnya. In return they won't oppose regime change in Iran and may even help in northern areas. crazy, maybe. I think China new about plans to attack Iran going forth months ago and used NK to make the pre-emptive argument for attacking Iran less valid, knowing that we wouldn't attack NK unless they start it. That's where the Boston bombings and the Tsarnaev brothers come in.
One a side note about the brothers, we know for sure that they planned to get away right? Pretty odd that they made no attempt to disguise themselves walking through a crowd with cameras going everywhere, hat on backward, no sun glasses on the younger. Damn odd... Mothers saying the boys were consulting with the fbi for 3 to 5 years...
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Interesting... I don't doubt he probably has allies in government that don't like this admin and that slip him info knowing it won't be aired on the other media networks. Wonder what he'll say on Monday?
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I'm also just guessing on all this but I think the deal will be made if it hasn't already that we won't oppose Russia when they go in to wipe out all opposition in and around Chechnya. In return they won't oppose regime change in Iran and may even help in northern areas. crazy, maybe. I think China new about plans to attack Iran going forth months ago and used NK to make the pre-emptive argument for attacking Iran less valid, knowing that we wouldn't attack NK unless they start it. That's where the Boston bombings and the Tsarnaev brothers come in.
One a side note about the brothers, we know for sure that they planned to get away right? Pretty odd that they made no attempt to disguise themselves walking through a crowd with cameras going everywhere, hat on backward, no sun glasses on the younger. Damn odd... Mothers saying the boys were consulting with the fbi for 3 to 5 years...
Yes , that's the MO of the FBI, consult with teenagers and their parents... We have mom saying it, must be a fact
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I'm also just guessing on all this but I think the deal will be made if it hasn't already that we won't oppose Russia when they go in to wipe out all opposition in and around Chechnya. In return they won't oppose regime change in Iran and may even help in northern areas. crazy, maybe. I think China new about plans to attack Iran going forth months ago and used NK to make the pre-emptive argument for attacking Iran less valid, knowing that we wouldn't attack NK unless they start it. That's where the Boston bombings and the Tsarnaev brothers come in.
One a side note about the brothers, we know for sure that they planned to get away right? Pretty odd that they made no attempt to disguise themselves walking through a crowd with cameras going everywhere, hat on backward, no sun glasses on the younger. Damn odd... Mothers saying the boys were consulting with the fbi for 3 to 5 years...
More and more they look like dupes and useful idiots here to me. Tiny pawns in a much larger game they probably had no idesa about
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More and more they look like dupes and useful idiots here to me. Tiny pawns in a much larger game they probably had no idesa about
but of course.. that's way more interesting..
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Yes , that's the MO of the FBI, consult with teenagers and their parents... We have mom saying it, must be a fact
I'm not stating anything as fact. I tried to make that clear. Thread title is "What's your guess on" Post what you think, that's the point of the thread. How do you see all this possibly playing out? I'm not going to call you out for speculating. There's nothing wrong with speculating unless you try to say it's fact.
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everything that happens now is a conspiracy :D :D :D :D :D
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everything that happens now is a conspiracy :D :D :D :D :D
what about you, any guesses to how this plays out?
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I'm not stating anything as fact. I tried to make that clear. Thread title is "What's your guess on" Post what you think, that's the point of the thread. How do you see all this possibly playing out? I'm not going to call you out for speculating. There's nothing wrong with speculating unless you try to say it's fact.
Here's what I think... I think it is way to early to conclude anything. It's been since what.. Thursday when they figured out who these two ever were? I just don't see the point in going off on wild tangents about conspiracies and connections at this point. You would think the botched attempt of internet slueths to identify the bombers would be a clear indication that most people don't have very good information at this point. But you're right, the title of the thread certainly asks people to play the guess game, pointless as it may be.
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Here's what I think... I think it is way to early to conclude anything. It's been since what.. Thursday when they figured out who these two ever were? I just don't see the point in going off on wild tangents about conspiracies and connections at this point. You would think the botched attempt of internet slueths to identify the bombers would be a clear indication that most people don't have very good information at this point. But you're right, the title of the thread certainly asks people to play the guess game, pointless as it may be.
Why is it pointless? The FBI admitted this guy was on the radar at least from 2011!
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Here's what I think... I think it is way to early to conclude anything. It's been since what.. Thursday when they figured out who these two ever were? I just don't see the point in going off on wild tangents about conspiracies and connections at this point. You would think the botched attempt of internet slueths to identify the bombers would be a clear indication that most people don't have very good information at this point. But you're right, the title of the thread certainly asks people to play the guess game, pointless as it may be.
Why are you using words like "conclude" Why is it ok to speculate on just about everything else that happens every single day but not on something like this? Nobody asked for anybody to make conclusions in this thread.
I'm not even remotely saying I'm right on what I said. What's the harm in that?
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Why are you using words like "conclude" Why is it ok to speculate on just about everything else that happens every single day but not on something like this? Nobody asked for anybody to make conclusions in this thread.
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"Who do you think trained.."
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Why are you using words like "conclude" Why is it ok to speculate on just about everything else that happens every single day but not on something like this? Nobody asked for anybody to make conclusions in this thread.
I'm not even remotely saying I'm right on what I said. What's the harm in that?
Hugo, there is no harm, just not much of a point. About as helpful or useful as asking an 8 yr old his opinion on the 3rd law of Thermodynamics
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"Who do you think trained.."
You think they learned all this shit from youtube?
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what about you, any guesses to how this plays out?
this is what the FBI said,The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
i believe this,do i believe the FBI are part of some conspiracy,hell no
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"Who do you think trained.."
I know a lot of people have a CT phobia. I'm not asking for you to come out with a CT lol... Just wondering if people had any guesses. It could be just a list of:
1. they could have been connected to:
2. might turn out they were trained by ___ who is and if then we would etc...
There's nothing wrong with me having a guess on it too. Again I'm not concluding anything or stating anything as fact.
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this is what the FBI said,The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
i believe this,do i believe the FBI are part of some conspiracy,hell no
How about FBI turn the guy into a CI? hhhmmmmm?
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this is what the FBI said,The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
i believe this,do i believe the FBI are part of some conspiracy,hell no
I didn't ask you if you believed that. That was my guess speculation not yours.
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I know a lot of people have a CT phobia. I'm not asking for you to come out with a CT lol... Just wondering if people had any guesses. It could be just a list of:
1. they could have been connected to:
2. might turn out they were trained by ___ who is and if then we would etc...
There's nothing wrong with me having a guess on it too. Again I'm not concluding anything or stating anything as fact.
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You think they learned all this shit from youtube?
I don't have one iota of an idea where they learned it from as I type this. Do you?
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My guess is that in the end the older brother is going to be found to have been a CI that got out of control and there is going to be a whole of lot incompetence in the FBI exposed
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Hugo, there is no harm, just not much of a point. About as helpful or useful as asking an 8 yr old his opinion on the 3rd law of Thermodynamics
oh please, the same can be said for 95% of the threads here. We still talk about shit. It's not going to hurt anything either.
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I don't have one iota of an idea where they learned it from as I type this. Do you?
Well from what we know for a fact already - it is safe to conclude that this guy was on the FBI radar, warned to us by Russia, radicilized by a local cleric, obviously had good proficiency in bomb making, and has shown no means whatsoever of support or income for years.
Yeah - nothing wierd here. Move along sheep
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oh please, the same can be said for 95% of the threads here. We still talk about shit. It's not going to hurt anything either.
Yeah, you're right. Just because I don't typically like to do that kind of stuff doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. I stand corrected..
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My guess is that in the end the older brother is going to be found to have been a CI that got out of control and there is going to be a whole of lot incompetence in the FBI exposed
It's hard to fathom people would be upset speculating that the FBI might not be on the level here after what we just saw them get away with in the fast and furious scandal.
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You think they learned all this shit from youtube?
from uk paper,don't know how reliable
Boston Marathon Bombings: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers
By Timur Moon: Subscribe to Timur's RSS feed
April 21, 2013 11:16 AM GMT
Dzhokhar, left, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev captured on CCTV shortly before the explosions at the Boston Marathon.
The FBI is hunting a 12-man terrorist "sleeper cell" linked to the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings.
The Bureau believes that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev received training in bomb-making before they carried out the attack, which killed three people.
Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a shoot-out with police in the early hours of Friday. His brother Dzhokhar is in intensive care at a Boston hospital, and remains unable to speak due to gunshot wounds to the neck.
It emerged that a man and two women were arrested 60 miles from Boston in the port of New Bedford in the hours before Dzhokhar's capture. The three are believed to be of college age.
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A source close to the investigation said: "We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
"They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come."
More than 1,000 FBI agents have been assigned to track down the cell. A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators is on hand at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre in Boston, waiting to question Dzhokhar.
The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
The FBI now says the pair were part of a terrorist cell, though they were not under surveillance at the time of the bombings, US Government officials said.
The brothers were carrying six bombs, a handgun and a rifle at the time of the shoot-out in which Tamerlan was killed. Three devices - thought to be pipe bombs - were detonated.
Investigators are working to establish whether the brothers had help in making the bombs, which were contained in pressure cookers and packed with nails and ball bearings.
Their mother Zubeidat, speaking from her home in Russia, claimed the boys had been framed by the FBI, saying the bureau had been "controlling" Tamerlan for the past five years. Their father Anzor has also said he believed his sons had been "set up" by the FBI.
Tamerlan, a talented boxer, was said by neighbours to have become increasingly radical in his Islamic beliefs in recent years.
The FBI are retracing his movements during a six-month trip he made to the Russia Caucusus last year, including a visit to Chechnya, during which his extremism is said to have caused arguments with family members.
"It's a key thread for investigators," said Kevin Brock, a senior FBI counter-terrorism official.
Tamerlan's American wife Katherine Russell, 24, with whom he had a three-year-old daughter Zahara, is said to have converted to Islam when she married him, and taken to wearing the veil. She was taken in for questioning by FBI agents on Friday.
Tamerlan's Russian-language YouTube page contains numerous links to extremist Islamic sites, including one that features an hour-long speech by the radical cleric Feiz Mohammed, along with other videos labelled "Terrorists" and "Islam".
Dzhokhar, a scholarship student with ambitions to become a brain surgeon, was described by friends as more "mild-mannered" and "easy going" than his brother. Popular with fellow students, he was said to enjoy smoking marijuana, and was seen by friends "looking relaxed" at a college party two days after the bombings, shortly before police released photographs of the two suspects.
Dzhokhar is said to have run over his brother as he made his getaway in a stolen SUV while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground with fatal gunshot wounds late on Thursday.
Investigators have confirmed they will invoke public safety powers to interrogate him without reading him his "Miranda" rights to remain silent and have a lawyer present.
Authorities hope he will not invoke his right to silence, and will talk to them about any other terrorist threats, and the location of possible further explosives.
Prosecutors are considering appropriate charges, with a federal charge of using a weapon of mass destruction to kill people carrying a possible death sentence, though there is no death penalty in the state of Massachusetts.
Three people died in the attacks on the marathon and another 176 were injured. A policeman at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot dead during the subsequent manhunt.
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Yeah, you're right. Just because I don't typically like to do that kind of stuff doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. I stand corrected..
thanks ;D
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My guess is that in the end the older brother is going to be found to have been a CI that got out of control and there is going to be a whole of lot incompetence in the FBI exposed
This is a great example of why I don't like to play this game, you just end up looking stupid in the end.. ;)
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thanks ;D
when I'm wrong, I'm wrong..
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I'm not going to feel stupid if I'm wrong. Hell even if I were right it's highly doubtful it would be uncovered lol... No way you see this shit on CNN if it's true. Look at all the dirt on them in fast and furious and all those people involved still have their jobs.
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I'm not going to feel stupid if I'm wrong. Hell even if I were right it's highly doubtful it would be uncovered lol... No way you see this shit on CNN if it's true. Look at all the dirt on them in fast and furious and all those people involved still have their jobs.
Remember - in the govt - the more you fuck up - the higher you rise to the top
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I'm not going to feel stupid if I'm wrong. Hell even if I were right it's highly doubtful it would be uncovered lol... No way you see this shit on CNN if it's true. Look at all the dirt on them in fast and furious and all those people involved still have their jobs.
except the agent that brought it to light.. he was teminated.
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I probably should have just kept my guess simple:
1. brothers found to have ties they were trained by Iran
2. war with Iran
3. Russia looks other way for us doing the same in what will no doubt be a bloodbath in and around Chechnya.
4. China's bluff with NK fizzles.
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except the agent that brought it to light.. he was teminated.
lol, figures...
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What the govt and media want for everyone to believe:
1. Two losers who were not fitting in well in the USA
2. younger brother was just an obama voting stoner in awe of his brother
3. Older brother was going nowhere in life and just fell prey to a local radical mosque
4. Family are all crack pots but the uncle
5. FBI is blameless since they could not unearth anything in 2011
6. Nothing at all strange w obama having emergency visit w Saudis
7. Nothing at all strange w michell obama visiting w saudi person of interest w ties to al queada in the hospital
8. Despite thousands of cops and a man hunt the likes we have never seem, No 2 is found in a boat dying of wounds in a boat in backyard barely 200 yards away
LOL - move along sheep - go watch American Idol
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What the govt and media want for everyone to believe:
1. Two losers who were not fitting in well in the USA
2. &guy brother was just an obama voting stoner in awe of his brother
3. Older brother was going nowhere in life and just fell prey to a local radical mosque
4. Family are all crack pots but the uncle
5. FBI is blameless since they could not unearth anything in 2011
6. Nothing at all strange w obama having emergency visit w Saudis
7. Nothing at all strange w michell obama visiting w saudi person of interest w ties to al queada in the hospital
8. Despite thousands of cops and a man hunt the likes we have never seem, No 2 is found in a boat dying of wounds in a boat in backyard barely 200 yards away
LOL - move along sheep - go watch American Idol
They searched a 20 block radius. Have you got any support for the 200 yrds away statement?
And I don't think the "government" wants or cares what you believe at the moment. They are in the process of gathering information and facts . Your post is a little off the mark in my opinion
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Did they use a single bloodhound in the search? They had his sent. If not, why the hell not?
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Did they use a single bloodhound in the search? They had his sent. If not, why the hell not?
I am not claming a CT - but the more i think about this - sp many problems with this story
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Did they use a single bloodhound in the search? They had his sent. If not, why the hell not?
We don't have blood hounds to use. We do have german and belgian shepherds trained to scout, some can track but a variety of issues come into play. how many people tainted the area prior to the dogs arrival. Is it a heavily populated area where there is a lot of human scent etc etc. I'm no tracker myself but I've followed blood drops from a crime scene to where the bad guy was hiding as well as found victims that way. In each case they were bleeding enough to where there were droplets every 5 or 6 ft and it was time consuming.. but I wonder if that was an option..
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We don't have blood hounds to use. We do have german and belgian shepherds trained to scout, some can track but a variety of issues come into play. how many people tainted the area prior to the dogs arrival. Is it a heavily populated area where there is a lot of human scent etc etc. I'm no tracker myself but I've followed blood drops from a crime scene to where the bad guy was hiding as well as found victims that way. In each case they were bleeding enough to where there were droplets every 5 or 6 ft and it was time consuming.. but I wonder if that was an option..
Side note - GS = best dog ever
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Side note - GS = best dog ever
I would agree if judging by looks and history, many of the police dogs I trained or worked with were GS but for agility, ability to work in hot climates, and less tendency for hip displasia I'd go with the Belgian..
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We don't have blood hounds to use. We do have german and belgian shepherds trained to scout, some can track but a variety of issues come into play. how many people tainted the area prior to the dogs arrival. Is it a heavily populated area where there is a lot of human scent etc etc. I'm no tracker myself but I've followed blood drops from a crime scene to where the bad guy was hiding as well as found victims that way. In each case they were bleeding enough to where there were droplets every 5 or 6 ft and it was time consuming.. but I wonder if that was an option..
This isn't even remotely true with what bloodhounds are well known for doing very well and I find it very hard to believe that many agencies involved didn't have any available for use. I've seen these dogs pull off some amazing tracking through populated areas and find the person. And they absolutely did have good items available for the bothers scent.
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i truly believe we are being sold a bill of goods and total bs. Nlt saying a 911 type bs, but i trult believe the FBI knew about this gut from day 1 and didnt do dick
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This isn't even remotely true with what bloodhounds are well known for doing very well and I find it very hard to believe that many agencies involved didn't have any available for use. I've seen these dogs pull off some amazing tracking through populated areas and find the person. And they absolutely did have good items available for the bothers scent.
What part isn't true?
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What part isn't true?
I didn't mean like a lie or anything. This part as it applies to what bloodhounds can and have been used successfully for:
" how many people tainted the area prior to the dogs arrival. Is it a heavily populated area where there is a lot of human scent etc etc. "
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bloodhounds can track trough populated areas. No way they didn't have access to trained bloodhounds.
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bloodhounds can track trough populated areas. No way they didn't have access to trained bloodhounds.
This entire episode stinks. Sad beyond words that marathon runners and innocents were used as cannon fadder
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bloodhounds can track trough populated areas. No way they didn't have access to trained bloodhounds.
Oh, okay.. bloodhounds are amazing... I don't agree that they had access to them. We've been on many a manhunt and have not had access to bloodhounds. Something to look into though..
and I was talking about the dogs they DID have available which would be the normal police K9 .. they are affected by those things
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Oh, okay.. bloodhounds are amazing... I don't agree that they had access to them. We've been on many a manhunt and have not had access to bloodhounds. Something to look into though..
LMFAO!!!! GMFAB!!!
Typical
Acess to humvees but not blood hounds. LOL!!!!
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LMFAO!!!! GMFAB!!!
Typical
Acess to humvees but not blood hounds. LOL!!!!
Hey, l've been in the business a long time. Never had a bloodhound respond to any call. Wouldn't know where to find one.. maybe a prison? I don't know any departments around here that have them.. maybe you know something about the area and the dogs they hvae available that I dont..
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watched a show that asked that question on blood hounds,they said in the city exhaust fumes effects their ability to track
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Hey, l've been in the business a long time. Never had a bloodhound respond to any call. Wouldn't know where to find one.. maybe a prison? I don't know any departments around here that have them.. maybe you know something about the area and the dogs they hvae available that I dont..
Bloodhounds are better than humvees
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watched a show that asked that question on blood hounds,they said in the city exhaust fumes effects their ability to track
maybe some but bloodhounds have been known to do it very well and hello? did you forget the place was in a state of Martial Law sorry, "Shelter in Place" lol...
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No idea on who trained them. As for with Iran...no way I see that happening. Public don't want. Prez don't want. Congress don't want.
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maybe some but bloodhounds have been known to do it very well and hello? did you forget the place was in a state of Martial Law sorry, "Shelter in Place" lol...
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maybe some but bloodhounds have been known to do it very well and hello? did you forget the place was in a state of Martial Law sorry, "Shelter in Place" lol...
lol 3000 cops must have been on pedal bikes
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Hey, l've been in the business a long time. Never had a bloodhound respond to any call. Wouldn't know where to find one.. maybe a prison? I don't know any departments around here that have them.. maybe you know something about the area and the dogs they hvae available that I dont..
Like I said, we're not just talking about a local PD here... This involved how many agencies? They have access to bloodhounds. Sometimes the dogs used to track humans are contracted for this very purpose through the trainers. I know Denver PD has used them many times even though they might not personally have them. You can't tell me that many agencies were clueless about the use of bloodhounds lol.
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lol 3000 cops must have been on pedal bikes
::) like I said, it hasn't stopped these dogs in the past so that's just bullshit. And there were more than 3000 cops involved in this and that's still less exhaust floating about than would be from normal traffic. And what's your point anyway. Like I said these dogs have the ability to track in population zones. Whoever told you the can't because there are cars is full of it. It's probably not ideal but they do it.
Not to mention this was a fresh trail by the brother. These dogs have tracked through populated areas on a trail that's starting to get old.
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Like I said, we're not just talking about a local PD here... This involved how many agencies? They have access to bloodhounds. Sometimes the dogs used to track humans are contracted for this very purpose through the trainers. I know Denver PD has used them many times even though they might not personally have them. You can't tell me that many agencies were clueless about the use of bloodhounds lol.
1. I only have your word bloodhounds were available
2. I don't know all the facts surroundiing the situation
3. I DO know they wanted to catch this person in the worst way, so I would imagine all available options were considered.
4. If it comes to light that someone suggested bloodhounds, or the situation warranted bloodhounds that could have readily been located and transported to the scene then I will be right up there on the soapbox with you
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Bloodhounds are better than humvees
Would have been a good time for a few drones...
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1. I only have your word bloodhounds were available
2. I don't know all the facts surroundiing the situation
3. I DO know they wanted to catch this person in the worst way, so I would imagine all available options were considered.
4. If it comes to light that someone suggested bloodhounds, or the situation warranted bloodhounds that could have readily been located and transported to the scene then I will be right up there on the soapbox with you
read up on them. Even aside from this story it's a good read on what they've done and are capable of doing. pretty cool shit. Hell, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing for you to suggest in your department. contract with a handler for times their use might be valuable.
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read up on them. Even aside from this story it's a good read on what they've done and are capable of doing. pretty cool shit. Hell, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing for you to suggest in your department. contract with a handler for times their use might be valuable.
I think it's going to be interesting to see if incidental arrests occurred as a result of these house to house inspections...especially in light of the recent Supreme Court decision. I would imagine some would argue the greater good, but I just don't buy it. Or, maybe nothing came of it.
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this is from trackers that use blood hounds,but what the hell do they know
Can bloodhounds successfully follow the scent trail of a particular person, even though many other human and animal scents cross and overlap the person’s trail?
Harris: Yes.
Kilby: Yes. The most scent contaminated trail my bloodhound has handled was in a shopping plaza.
Schettler: Yes. We work in the city for the most part. Generally speaking, every trail is badly contaminated with other scents. Our worst was in downtown San Francisco. We also have worked quite a few shopping malls and ‘projects.’ These areas need to be trained for.
Shuler: Yes.
Tweedie: Yes. We have trailed through crowds in schools, malls, both indoors and outdoors, in a variety of conditions.
Woody: Yes. Bloodhounds trained to scent discriminate, per N.P.B.A. or similar methods, have no problem focusing on individual scent.
Are there ways to reduce scent contaminants which dull the bloodhound’s sense of smell?
Harris: Exhaust fumes can affect the dog’s nose. The solution is to take the bloodhound out of the area so the dog can clear its olfactory system and remove the vehicle giving off the exhaust fumes.
Schettler: If the contaminants are already present, there is little a handler can do. Carbon monoxide from vehicles can be a scent killer. Responders should turn off their engines.
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read up on them. Even aside from this story it's a good read on what they've done and are capable of doing. pretty cool shit. Hell, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing for you to suggest in your department. contract with a handler for times their use might be valuable.
I've read up on them over the years. As I've mentioned before, I was a dog handler myself and then trained dogs and dog teams for 6 yrs. My department would say that we already have dogs that can scout, which is locate a suspect via scent cone. Some can do some light to moderate tracking.
The actual need for a bloodhound during a typical year might be 3 times. Cases where the regular police dogs couldn't do the job. Of those 3 to 4 times, officers would have to hold a perimeter until the contractor is able to get on scene and do the track. Picture calling a guy at 3am to come out to north Austin and he lives 30 miles away in south Austin and needs to get dressed, load up his truck and get out here with his dog. We just don't have that luxury in most cases.
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i truly believe we are being sold a bill of goods and total bs. Nlt saying a 911 type bs, but i trult believe the FBI knew about this gut from day 1 and didnt do dick
Do some research on the NSA and its link with 911 attacks..the NSA knew of the potential attacks coming to America on September .they .had scripts and pictures of terrorist planning such events but all under secrecy and without discretion...why didn't they stop it from happening? Well , in America we have privacy laws. If you read up on this, George bush was alerted about the potential attacks, wanted to seize and arrested the terrorist but the NSA would not allow him to do so because the NSA obtained this information without their consent..the NSA would not allow for the gov to stop them because of the potential issues of privacy law that would be broken...if you look at history after the attacks, the patriot act was enacted because of this...a major part of the patriot act was to allow gov agencies to tap into any phones or get as much intel without our consent..
The FBI and CIA probably knew about this guy....but compliance and strict regulation prohibit the agencies from just barging at their doors and shooting them down...unfortunately there are many dirty attorneys who know a angle slip up in the procedure of arresting a subject can be detrimental to a case and potentially can put a killer back out..
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I just can't see not using them in a case like this.
1. It was a fresh scent trail.
2. They had available to them his scent and he would have been leaving a hell of a trail after the night and morning he went through.
3. Even if the dog loses the scent, valuable information can still be attained like if he's headed in a direction vs. circling back or staying in a general area. I've seen PD's use these dogs before and the dog lose the trail but I doubt they regretted the info attained.
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I just can't see not using them in a case like this.
1. It was a fresh scent trail.
2. They had available to them his scent and he would have been leaving a hell of a trail after the night and morning he went through.
3. Even if the dog loses the scent, valuable information can still be attained like if he's headed in a direction vs. circling back or staying in a general area. I've seen PD's use these dogs before and the dog lose the trail but I doubt they regretted the info attained.
Can't argue with any of that
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1. I only have your word bloodhounds were available
2. I don't know all the facts surroundiing the situation
3. I DO know they wanted to catch this person in the worst way, so I would imagine all available options were considered.
4. If it comes to light that someone suggested bloodhounds, or the situation warranted bloodhounds that could have readily been located and transported to the scene then I will be right up there on the soapbox with you
It was a national security issue. If there are bloodhounds in the US, they were available. Did they only use whatever local police force happened to be in the neighborhood?
Unless there are no trained bloodhounds in America, I can't see how they wouldn't have been "available."
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It was a national security issue. If there are bloodhounds in the US, they were available. Did they only use whatever local police force happened to be in the neighborhood?
Unless there are no trained bloodhounds in America, I can't see how they wouldn't have been "available."
So a bloodhound in florida would be considered available to you? Time effects scent spores.. hell, time of day, heat, moisture in the air, effects scent spores. So there is a clock ticking from the time the suspects foot leave the ground. Secondly we don't know if the situation warranted a bloodhound attempt.. (I'm actually smiling at that sentence).. we assume so but we don't have all the information.
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It was a national security issue. If there are bloodhounds in the US, they were available. Did they only use whatever local police force happened to be in the neighborhood?
Unless there are no trained bloodhounds in America, I can't see how they wouldn't have been "available."
Dogs need to have a scent in the first place. Something distinctly his own. You can't use a car... There's too many people in it.
What could they have used?
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if the armchair qbs say its possible it's possible ;D what's funny some of the best minds in the fbi and none of them thought of dogs :D :D :D
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Dogs need to have a scent in the first place. Something distinctly his own. You can't use a car... There's too many people in it.
What could they have used?
If there was blood in the car, that would work.. but I'm making a lot of assumptions about how much he was bleeding
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If there was blood in the car, that would work.. but I'm making a lot of assumptions about how much he was bleeding
Fair point.
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Dogs need to have a scent in the first place. Something distinctly his own. You can't use a car... There's too many people in it.
What could they have used?
They had his scent if they wanted it. They had plenty of access to his personal items. Those dogs can be crazy good too. They've even tracked the sent of someone that's in a moving car. Now that's really good and not something they can all do but you get my point... They're in an area of the country that does have quick access to tracking dogs like this. even if you had to fly them in from a county or so away it would be minutes, maybe an hour, not hours or days.
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OH OOPS!!!! So much for speculating they were not available or not up to the job....
Holly is one of the best and brightest detectives on the Massachusetts State Police Force. She is an expert in her ability to assemble clues while tracking missing persons or hunting down criminals. How did she get to be so good at her job? That’s easy — she works like a dog.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/underdogs/the-bloodhounds-amazing-sense-of-smell/350/
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333 is on his cut and paste binge this morning.. screwing up other threads as well
haha!!!
333386 cracks me up when he starts going bonkers like this.
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OH OOPS!!!! So much for speculating they were not available or not up to the job....
Holly is one of the best and brightest detectives on the Massachusetts State Police Force. She is an expert in her ability to assemble clues while tracking missing persons or hunting down criminals. How did she get to be so good at her job? That’s easy — she works like a dog.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/underdogs/the-bloodhounds-amazing-sense-of-smell/350/
2008 article
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2008 article
yea, and?
yea sure, they might not have holly there but it's pretty clear the state police valued having those dogs available... I seriously doubt they just said fuck it if Holly retired.
From the article: "For the past 25 years, Larry Allen, a member of Barbour County Tactical Search and Recovery Teams in West Virginia, has been training bloodhounds for law enforcement agencies across the country."
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yea, and?
yea sure, they might not have a holly there but it's pretty clear the police valued having those dogs available... I seriously doubt they just said fuck it if Holly retired.
From the article: "For the past 25 years, Larry Allen, a member of Barbour County Tactical Search and Recovery Teams in West Virginia, has been training bloodhounds for law enforcement agencies across the country."
Okay, so assuming Holly was there, healthy and raring to go.. I agree with you that it may have been an option. But you and I weren't there and we do not know the circumstances. Great question to ask for sure, but I can't at this point conclude they screwed the pooch by not bringing in a bloodhound
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Hey, l've been in the business a long time. Never had a bloodhound respond to any call. Wouldn't know where to find one.. maybe a prison? I don't know any departments around here that have them.. maybe you know something about the area and the dogs they hvae available that I dont..
Obama offered the full resources of the federal government. I imagine they could have flown a blood hound in from Georgia.
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Obama offered the full resources of the federal government. I imagine they could have flown a blood hound in from Georgia.
Yep, probably coulda..
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Okay, so assuming Holly was there, healthy and raring to go.. I agree with you that it may have been an option. But you and I weren't there and we do not know the circumstances. Great question to ask for sure, but I can't at this point conclude they screwed the pooch by not bringing in a bloodhound
I'm not assuming Holly was there but it's clear the state police valued having these type of dogs available. I highly doubt they dropped that since 2008. Of course we were not there but that's the hole point of public debate, to raise questions and hopefully if enough people start questioning something maybe it gets answered either through investigation or explanation or a combo of both or whatever. It's valid to challenge these things. In a free society it's almost a duty citizens have to question. I'm asking why the fuck they didn't. For all I know they did and not one single media outlet in all their blubbering have mentioned it yet. But it doesn't sound like they did.
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LOL, I derailed my own thread ;D
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I'm not assuming Holly was there but it's clear the state police valued having these type of dogs available. I highly doubt they dropped that since 2008. Of course we were not there but that's the hole point of public debate, to raise questions and hopefully if enough people start questioning something maybe it gets answered either through investigation or explanation or a combo of both or whatever. It's valid to challenge these things. In a free society it's almost a duty citizens have to question. I'm asking why the fuck they didn't. For all I know they did and not one single media outlet in all their blubbering have mentioned it yet.
Here's what I got so far, correct me where I'm wrong. You think they should have used a bloodhound to track the suspect from his vehicle to the boat, or at least make the attempt. Or at least find out why they didn't. Ok, cool. I would be surprised if they didn't at least use a police dog to try and locate the suspect after he bailed. That is a common thing to do.. but the bloodhound angle.. interesting. Let's see if that ever comes up
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LOL, I derailed my own thread ;D
It will be learned that an Al Queda operative who happens to own bloodhounds, trained the brothers ...
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Here's what I got so far, correct me where I'm wrong. You think they should have used a bloodhound to track the suspect from his vehicle to the boat, or at least make the attempt. Or at least find out why they didn't. Ok, cool. I would be surprised if they didn't at least use a police dog to try and locate the suspect after he bailed. That is a common thing to do.. but the bloodhound angle.. interesting. Let's see if that ever comes up
yup, that's it! And the only reason I'm asking that is because of the massive show of force by the government that involved shutting down the town and effectively enacting martial law with semi war zone like door to door searches, but no mention of using bloodhounds... uh yea... definitely a valid question if we're going to start doing shit like that in America.
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It will be learned that an Al Queda operative who happens to own bloodhounds, trained the brothers ...
Ok, I'm good then ;D
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Obama hopefully wll be impeahed over tis failure.
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Obama hopefully wll be impeahed over tis failure.
what failure are you talking about? You need to be specific as he has a lot of them ;)
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what failure are you talking about? You need to be specific as he has a lot of them ;)
1. FBI warned us in 2011 of this scmbag.
2. Obama said he decimated Al Queada.
3. Focus of DOJ has been diverted to BS the last 5 years.
4. Just cause bama sucks.
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ntelligence failure: The FBI had interviewed Tamarlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the behest of a foreign government, probably Russia. A request like that from abroad targeting an American citizen would not just be a random occurrence. Tamarlan was involved in something that got their attention. However, the FBI concluded that there was not enough evidence to go on. The government had made the same conclusion after initial interviews with Nidal Hasan, who later went on to commit the Ft.Hood massacre. Was Tamarlan on a watch list? If not, why not? If so, why wasn’t it effective in preventing this tragedy?
The foreign connection: This was not purely “home grown” terror. The plot was at least inspired by a foreign terrorist entity, if not directed and controlled by it. Following the interview with the FBI, Tamarlan made a six month trip to Russia, visiting the Caucasus region and in particular Chechnya, a hotbed of radicalism. It is unclear thus far where he went or with whom he was meeting, but given that Russian intelligence services were already interested in his activities, and his mother’s claims that the FBI “knew what he was doing on Skype” and “whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites,” it would be reasonable to assume that he at least attempted to meet with some of the people he was corresponding with. It is also a certainty that the Russian government knows exactly what he was doing and hopefully is now sharing that information with the U.S. government.
Islamic radicalism: There can be little doubt that the Tsarnaev brothers saw themselves as jihadist warriors striking at the United States for its alleged crimes against the Islamic world. Tamarlan fits the profile of a young man from a not particularly religious background who suddenly adopts an increasingly religious lifestyle. People who spontaneously radicalize in this way are prime targets for recruitment by extremist groups, and at some point Tamarlan came under the influence of someone who convinced him that the frustrations he felt could rightly be translated into violent anger directed at the United States. Tamarlan then probably recruited his younger, less religiously inclined brother Dzhokhar to get involved in his plan. Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick said Sunday it’s hard to imagine why someone would deliberately harm, “innocent men, women and children in the way that these two fellows did.” But if you accept the jihadist premise it is actually very easy to understand.
The sleeper cell: The most shocking new revelation is that the Tsarnaev brothers were not working alone. The terrorist conspiracy was larger than just these two men. Despite early reports that there was no larger plot, the FBI is now reportedly seeking up to a dozen individuals in a “sleeper cell” who were working with the Tsarnaev brothers. According to a report in the Mirror, an investigator said there is “no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google. They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”
So rather than what was hoped – that this was an isolated, spontaneous and inexplicable act by two troubled young men – it appears that the Boston bombing was part of a long term, well planned, large scale effort by Islamic terrorists with foreign ties to bring jihad to U.S. soil. And if the plot was that extensive, the two most important questions now are, how did the U.S. government fail to detect it, and what else do terrorists have planned for this country that we don’t know about?
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1. FBI warned us in 2011 of this scmbag.
2. Obama said he decimated Al Queada.
3. Focus of DOJ has been diverted to BS the last 5 years.
4. Just cause bama sucks.
LOL at #4
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LOL at #4
lol 333386 burns his toast in the morning and he blames obama
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So a bloodhound in florida would be considered available to you? Time effects scent spores.. hell, time of day, heat, moisture in the air, effects scent spores. So there is a clock ticking from the time the suspects foot leave the ground. Secondly we don't know if the situation warranted a bloodhound attempt.. (I'm actually smiling at that sentence).. we assume so but we don't have all the information.
Hadn't thought about the time issue...guess a 2 hour flight from Florida to Boston would have been out of the question.
The guy was bleeding out and they had him cornered hours before he decided to lay in a pool of blood in a boat near where the police were searching. I hit a deer last winter and my damned dog still goes apeshit trying to lick the front of my truck 6 months later...I don't think it's absurd to think that a trained scent dog might have decided that boat had an interesting scent.
They had the kid in a shoot out at one point...more than a few hours after the suspect's photos were released to the public. Having a bloodhound to scent track from there would have been a cheap addition to the helicopters overhead at the very least?
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Hadn't thought about the time issue...guess a 2 hour flight from Florida to Boston would have been out of the question.
The guy was bleeding out and they had him cornered hours before he decided to lay in a pool of blood in a boat near where the police were searching. I hit a deer last winter and my damned dog still goes apeshit trying to lick the front of my truck 6 months later...I don't think it's absurd to think that a trained scent dog might have decided that boat had an interesting scent.
They had the kid in a shoot out at one point...more than a few hours after the suspect's photos were released to the public. Having a bloodhound to scent track from there would have been a cheap addition to the helicopters overhead at the very least?
yeah, honestly a bloodhound never crossed my mind. We use K9 all the time on subjects that bail from their car. So it makes me wonder if they didn't try K9 initially or if there was a reason they felt it wasnt feasible. The dog would be on a leash. they don't go running through the woods like in the movies. I'm just wondering if there was a tactical consideration involved.
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Here's a good one to ask questions about. We all know for a fact that the government watches sites like facebook and youtube like a hawk! That's been well established many times for quite a while.
Now we have some dude who's traveling to areas of Russia with terrorist problems and posting terrorist related shit on youtube and having Russia contact the FBI over and we're supposed to believe he wasn't being watched by the government because they did a quick search and couldn't find anything in 2011?
yea... BWHAHAhahahahaha.... How fucking stupid are they asking me to be on that?
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Here's a good one to ask questions about. We all know for a fact that the government watches sites like facebook and youtube like a hawk! That's been well established many times for quite a while.
Now we have some dude who's traveling to areas of Russia with terrorist problems and posting terrorist related shit on youtube and having Russia contact the FBI over and we're supposed to believe he wasn't being watched by the government because they did a quick search and couldn't find anything in 2011?
yea... BWHAHAhahahahaha.... How fucking stupid are they asking me to be on that?
yup. Just like Fast n Furious.
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2 idiots pulling off the biggest attak since 911 and nothing else going on? LMFAO!!!!
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from uk paper,don't know how reliable
Boston Marathon Bombings: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers
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April 21, 2013 11:16 AM GMT
Dzhokhar, left, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev captured on CCTV shortly before the explosions at the Boston Marathon.
The FBI is hunting a 12-man terrorist "sleeper cell" linked to the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings.
The Bureau believes that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev received training in bomb-making before they carried out the attack, which killed three people.
Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a shoot-out with police in the early hours of Friday. His brother Dzhokhar is in intensive care at a Boston hospital, and remains unable to speak due to gunshot wounds to the neck.
It emerged that a man and two women were arrested 60 miles from Boston in the port of New Bedford in the hours before Dzhokhar's capture. The three are believed to be of college age.
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A source close to the investigation said: "We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
"They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come."
More than 1,000 FBI agents have been assigned to track down the cell. A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators is on hand at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre in Boston, waiting to question Dzhokhar.
The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
The FBI now says the pair were part of a terrorist cell, though they were not under surveillance at the time of the bombings, US Government officials said.
The brothers were carrying six bombs, a handgun and a rifle at the time of the shoot-out in which Tamerlan was killed. Three devices - thought to be pipe bombs - were detonated.
Investigators are working to establish whether the brothers had help in making the bombs, which were contained in pressure cookers and packed with nails and ball bearings.
Their mother Zubeidat, speaking from her home in Russia, claimed the boys had been framed by the FBI, saying the bureau had been "controlling" Tamerlan for the past five years. Their father Anzor has also said he believed his sons had been "set up" by the FBI.
Tamerlan, a talented boxer, was said by neighbours to have become increasingly radical in his Islamic beliefs in recent years.
The FBI are retracing his movements during a six-month trip he made to the Russia Caucusus last year, including a visit to Chechnya, during which his extremism is said to have caused arguments with family members.
"It's a key thread for investigators," said Kevin Brock, a senior FBI counter-terrorism official.
Tamerlan's American wife Katherine Russell, 24, with whom he had a three-year-old daughter Zahara, is said to have converted to Islam when she married him, and taken to wearing the veil. She was taken in for questioning by FBI agents on Friday.
Tamerlan's Russian-language YouTube page contains numerous links to extremist Islamic sites, including one that features an hour-long speech by the radical cleric Feiz Mohammed, along with other videos labelled "Terrorists" and "Islam".
Dzhokhar, a scholarship student with ambitions to become a brain surgeon, was described by friends as more "mild-mannered" and "easy going" than his brother. Popular with fellow students, he was said to enjoy smoking marijuana, and was seen by friends "looking relaxed" at a college party two days after the bombings, shortly before police released photographs of the two suspects.
Dzhokhar is said to have run over his brother as he made his getaway in a stolen SUV while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground with fatal gunshot wounds late on Thursday.
Investigators have confirmed they will invoke public safety powers to interrogate him without reading him his "Miranda" rights to remain silent and have a lawyer present.
Authorities hope he will not invoke his right to silence, and will talk to them about any other terrorist threats, and the location of possible further explosives.
Prosecutors are considering appropriate charges, with a federal charge of using a weapon of mass destruction to kill people carrying a possible death sentence, though there is no death penalty in the state of Massachusetts.
Three people died in the attacks on the marathon and another 176 were injured. A policeman at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot dead during the subsequent manhunt.
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2 idiots pulling off the biggest attak since 911 and nothing else going on? LMFAO!!!!
In Iran by the time the year is done is my guess...
Have you dug up anything interesting on this Saudi guy?
I imagine Iran out of the picture would also be of interest to them which could relate here.
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In Iran by the time the year is done is my guess...
Have you dug up anything interesting on this Saudi guy?
I imagine Iran out of the picture would also be of interest to them which could relate here.
Tommorow.
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I did find that one of the contractors holding a backpack at the race was also seen guarding some Saudi royal. I'll see if I can find that photo.
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I did find that one of the contractors holding a backpack at the race was also seen guarding some Saudi royal. I'll see if I can find that photo.
Yup. Saw that too.
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Tommorow.
counting on what has been sent to Glenn? I hope he actually has something and not just bluffing.
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GBI :D :D :D GETBIG Bureau of Investigation :D :D
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counting on what has been sent to Glenn? I hope he actually has something and not just bluffing.
See the thresd i started on michelle obama. Its related to thst.
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See the thresd i started on michelle obama. Its related to thst.
have you been drinking? or just fat thumbs..
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have you been drinking? or just fat thumbs..
LOOKING AT THE TOPICS I HOPE DRINKING
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GBI :D :D :D GETBIG Bureau of Investigation :D :D
At your service!!! lol.... nothing else to do... well the dishes but they'll wait ;D
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I'm guessing it's going to turn out they were trained by Iran and we'll be at war soon with them over it.
How many years have you been claiming this is going to happen? Sweet prdiction skills. Tinfoil hatters are funny.
And Chechens are Sunni Muslim, genius.
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How many years have you been claiming this is going to happen? Sweet prdiction skills. Tinfoil hatters are funny.
And Chechens are Sunni Muslim, genius.
There's been reports in the past that Iran had been training terrorists in Chechnya so it's not something I just pulled out of my ass out of total ignorance...
I know my opinions on this kind of shit pisses off some people. I tried my best to not level outright accusations and hear what others thought on the matter. I've toned down how I talk about things a lot over the years.. Not sure what else I can do aside from just feeling like I can't say anything lol... I'm trying dude.
and I get that I could be wrong... I hope I am.
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Here's a good one to ask questions about. We all know for a fact that the government watches sites like facebook and youtube like a hawk! That's been well established many times for quite a while.
Now we have some dude who's traveling to areas of Russia with terrorist problems and posting terrorist related shit on youtube and having Russia contact the FBI over and we're supposed to believe he wasn't being watched by the government because they did a quick search and couldn't find anything in 2011?
yea... BWHAHAhahahahaha.... How fucking stupid are they asking me to be on that?
I guess that of majority since very few people seem to be questioning it, which could be out of fear of being ridiculed or put on a ''terrorist list''
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I guess that of majority since very few people seem to be questioning it, which could be out of fear of being ridiculed or put on a ''terrorist list''
I just feel that it should be ok to question when you think you see something wrong. There is a big difference between those who are set on "convincing" others as opposed to those who are giving their opinion to the collective for investigation and debate which should be the natural course in a free society.
speaking on fear of not saying something, it's shocking how many people say, "you shouldn't say that, they'll watch you for saying that" When nothing sinister was ever actually said. When I hear people say that, I do think about how many might be questioning shit but afraid to speak their minds because we're now living in a society where they want you to know they're watching what you read, what you say, who you talk to, where you spend your money and where you're going.
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The Quds guys were all over Iraq training dudes, like we do with our own special forces so they could just as well have been trained by Iranians. I don't think they were specifically run by Iran but who the hell knows.
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I just feel that it should be ok to question when you think you see something wrong. There is a big difference between those who are set on "convincing" others as opposed to those who are giving their opinion to the collective for investigation and debate which should be the natural course in a free society.
speaking on fear of not saying something, it's shocking how many people say, "you shouldn't say that, they'll watch you for saying that" When nothing sinister was ever actually said. When I hear people say that, I do think about how many might be questioning shit but afraid to speak their minds because we're now living in a society where they want you to know they're watching what you read, what you say, who you talk to, where you spend your money and where you're going.
Oh I agree, but I get the feeling that if one questions the mainstream info on these events, that there is a general uneasiness and speculation as to whom your allegiance is too. The truth is, dissent, or in this case ''investigation'' really is the highest form form of patriotism.
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Oh I agree, but I get the feeling that if one questions the mainstream info on these events, that there is a general uneasiness and speculation as to whom your allegiance is too. The truth is, dissent, or in this case ''investigation'' really is the highest form form of patriotism.
The truth should always be the ultimate goal... However, it's been my experience that there are those who are more than willing to ignore it if it doesn't fit their preconcieved notions. I'm sure I'm not immune to that as well, no matter how open minded I think I am.
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Donald Rumsfeld would say
"The bombers were Russian, trained in Russia, radicalized in Russia. Therefore, the USA must declare war on and invade Iran."
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Donald Rumsfeld would say
"The bombers were Russian, trained in Russia, radicalized in Russia. Therefore, the USA must declare war on and invade Iran."
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Donald Rumsfeld would say
"The bombers were Russian, trained in Russia, radicalized in Russia. Therefore, the USA must declare war on and invade Iran."
"...there are a lot of knowns, unknowns, and unknowns which are not yet known, but I can confirm you should have zero doubts about the validity of everything we claim, despite all of the physical evidence saying otherwise..."
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"...there are a lot of knowns, unknowns, and unknowns which are not yet known, but I can confirm you should have zero doubts about the validity of everything we claim, despite all of the physical evidence saying otherwise..."
Just like everything else w the Obama junta, we will never learn the real truth.