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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Primary Captain on May 29, 2013, 05:43:52 AM
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Hey bros trying to get my diet down so that i can do my shopping week to week and just get what i need. Im trying to BULK. 5'10 200 right now. natty.(for now lol) but i was just reading Mike Mentzers Heavy Duty Nutrition ebook.
and in his ebook he gives a 6,000 calorie a day diet which looks like this. I usually eat higher carbs and moderate protein putting on size,that seems to work for me. but i just want to see what you bros think of this diet and should i work with it. it seems simple. her it is:
Breakfast:
1/2 cup orange juice
1 cup oatmeal
1 cup lowfat milk
1 slice toast
1 tbs butter
total cals:675
snack:
1 peanut butter sandwich
1 banana
1 cup grape juice
total cals:485
lunch:
4 pieces fried chicken,french fries or baked potato w/butter,green salad w/blue cheese
1 scoop ice cream
2 granola cookies
1 cup lowfat milk
total cals:1500
snack:
1 cup dried fruit
1 1/2 cups milk
total cals:600
dinner:
1 cup cream of mushroom soup
1 beef sirloin(6 oz)
1 dinner roll and butter
1 cup mixed veggies
1 slice of pie with beverage
total cals:1650
snack:
1 cup mixed nuts without salt
1 cup cocoa
total cals:1050
daily total cals:6,000
he doesnt give anything about protein or carbs,but thats why i posted this to see if anyone understood, see if it is worth trying. thank you
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you need more calories bro
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3 days worth of food for me right there...
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who the fuck needs 6k kcal a day ??? ??? ???
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give it a try, and if you start putting on too much fat then just readjust your calories and lower them back down
this shit is VERY SIMPLE, and it ain't no goddamn rocket science
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Cut the cals in half and drop the wheat-based carbs and sugary shit (grape juice, orange juice, ice cream, cookies (really?)).
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Drop protein to 20 grams a day.
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I talked about diet and supps with Mike many times- I just don't see him supporting that type of high calorie approach, at anytime, bulking, maintaining, whenever. No doubt you would put on weight using the plan you described but you're going to get soft, real soft. Lose the bread & butter, soup, juice and desserts from that diet and you'll still be close to 4,000 cals per day.
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this shit has been done a million times on getbig
even with screen caps of the book page etc
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That's a lot of "Cals" keep us posted
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Drop protein to 20 grams a day.
Are you trying to give him kidney failure????
The MAX someone should need is MAYBE 10 - 12 gms. UGH, GetBig Bro science at its best
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eat when your hungry and dont eat when your not and take anabolics. how hard can it be?
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Are you trying to give him kidney failure????
The MAX someone should need is MAYBE 10 - 12 gms. UGH, GetBig Bro science at its best
Just messing around here you need around 1 gram bodyweight and can gain the rest gets pissed out unless on steroids.
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you need more calories bro
lol
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Yes you will never make consistent gains in a paltry 6000 kcal a day, get real "bro".
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Just messing around here you need around 1 gram bodyweight and can gain the rest gets pissed out unless on steroids.
Good, I am glad you came to your senses. I personally only eat 3 egg whites a day. The rest from Coconut oil.
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To properly implement Mentzer's diet philosophy you also need tons of amphetamines and Arnold's hitmen chasing you around LA to make sure you burn off any calories not used.
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To properly implement Mentzer's diet philosophy you also need tons of amphetamines and Arnold's hitmen chasing you around LA to make sure you burn off any calories not used.
lol
don't forget AJ's loaded gun aimed at your temple
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Good, I am glad you came to your senses. I personally only eat 3 egg whites a day. The rest from Coconut oil.
Saving money it seems.
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I talked about diet and supps with Mike many times- I just don't see him supporting that type of high calorie approach, at anytime, bulking, maintaining, whenever. No doubt you would put on weight using the plan you described but you're going to get soft, real soft. Lose the bread & butter, soup, juice and desserts from that diet and you'll still be close to 4,000 cals per day.
Best advice of the thread.
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Yes you will never make consistent gains in a paltry 6000 kcal a day, get real "bro".
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Another asshole who doesn't even lift.
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This guy can't be for real.
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eat when your hungry and dont eat when your not and take anabolics. how hard can it be?
horrible idea.
I am hungry 24/7, I would be Orca fat if I followed that.
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I don't recall Mike ever advocating such a diet although I know that he pigged out heavily at times.
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Probably caused him to run down the road naked at night ie cardio.
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You could probably get away eating like that in your 20's if you're reasonably active, but once you hit your 30's and your metabolism starts slowing down, that diet is going to make you fat very quickly.
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Mentzer stated you only need like 60 extra calories a day above maintenance to build muscle. As for contest dieting it was very en vogue at the time for them to do go sub 1000 cals a day.
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I love bulking diets that are full bore with the junk food yet only 1/2 cup of orange juice
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found this on another site, and it's a Brit talking about his experience with meeting Mentzer in a seminar that he gave back in the 80's
here's a link to the full article: http://www.strength-oldschool.com/topic/1954-mike-mentzer/
"Jones thinks he's right about everything! You cannot debate with him because he won't listen to any argument and never stops talking- the man is a true genius but he is a f--king c--t and no one can stand working for him for long (what about Ell Darden then?But I dare not interrupt as Mike was getting hot under the collar again!)."The most amazing night I ever had was an evening at Arthur's with Joe Weider and (cannot remember for sure but others may have been Ell Darden and Casey Viator, but Mike definitely said Weider was there)others. Arthur never stopped talking and it was the most scientific indepth talk about training ever! No one else got a chance to speak and Joe looked stunned because Arthur's stuff was beyond him, that's why Joe was afraid of Nautilus and tried to put them down in his magazines. Joe acted disgracefully doing that but he had to be number one in the bodybuilding world so came out with several articles supposedly written by his champions saying they tried out Nautilus machines and they did not work - f--king bullshit lies! Hey, Sergio Oliva trained with Arthur for awhile in 1972 and was in his best shape ever that year in the Olympia but Joe wanted Arnold to stay on top so that's what happened. Sergio got f--king screwed and quit the IFBB for years. I know what he felt like because I was shafted in 1980 and they gave the O to Arnold again when he should have lost."
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again a little part of the story reserved for the 1980 olympia
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Mentzer seemed like a rather hostile guy. He had every right to be hostile concerning Arnold's "comeback", but still.
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Sergio did not train with Jones in 1972 for the Olympia, that is a lie most HIT people use all the time and clearly Mentzer did it then as well.
Actually, Sergio trained with Jones in 1971 for about 2 months in preparation for the Mr. Universe.
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"Jones thinks he's right about everything! You cannot debate with him because he won't listen to any argument and never stops talking- the man is a true genius but he is a f--king c--t and no one can stand working for him for long
this is the point that i found to be very interesting
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Anyone else note the comments on the other thread about Mentzer seminar? "before he went all phisilophisol?[spelling] he was an admirer of ayn rand .perhaps thats why he turned to fags and booze later on.i remember"
I keep hearing stories of drugs and running around naked, drinking bottles of Jack like water, etc. How far did Mike Mentzer really fall???
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(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pictures-pro-bodybuilders/43538-most-aesthetic-bb-ever-mike1543.jpg)
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Yea. Have you learned nothing about this industry?
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"Fags" is British slang for cigarettes.
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Fags are cigarettes. Devoted Ayn Rand followers must smoke them. Ok not really, but during the 50s- 80s they almost all did.
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looks like mentzer took arnolds advice
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Talking trash without any proof, post facts not idiotic gossips about M.M.
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Mike M. did gay for pay?
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no, but he did believe that Arthur Jones was God at one point
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/2008/08-179-feature/image005.jpg)
(http://www.gs20expressworkout.com/ArthurJonesGaryStempien.jpg)
(http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/Photos/NEW/AJPassport.jpg)
(http://christophersmithgolf.com/images/newsletter/arthur_jones_elephant.jpg)
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Anyone else note the comments on the other thread about Mentzer seminar? "before he went all phisilophisol?[spelling] he was an admirer of ayn rand .perhaps thats why he turned to fags and booze later on.i remember"
I keep hearing stories of drugs and running around naked, drinking bottles of Jack like water, etc. How far did Mike Mentzer really fall???
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"Fags and Booze" that's a BRITISH term for CIGARETTES and ALCOHOL, get it right before slandering a normal dude, Mike Mentzer had a fiance for years (Cathy Gelfo) and dated many girls after that.
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I didnt know him well but I never heard anyone ever accuse mike of being gay.. Where does this shit get started.?
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(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pictures-pro-bodybuilders/43538-most-aesthetic-bb-ever-mike1543.jpg)
That is pretty killer pic too. Looks awesome
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That was his best shape ever at the 1978 mr universe.
Mike seemed to think he looked that good in 1979 and 1980. He didn't.
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That was his best shape ever at the 1978 mr universe.
Mike seemed to think he looked that good in 1979 and 1980. He didn't.
Oddly ??? nobody (or hardly ever) talks about how Ludwig Shusterich over ruled
judges for Mr.Olympia 1966, because L.Scot signed contract for series
of seminars (Weiders promo) in Europe :P :P :P
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Yea. Have you learned nothing about this industry?
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Anyone else note the comments on the other thread about Mentzer seminar? "before he went all phisilophisol?[spelling] he was an admirer of ayn rand .perhaps thats why he turned to fags and booze later on.i remember"
I keep hearing stories of drugs and running around naked, drinking bottles of Jack like water, etc. How far did Mike Mentzer really fall???
everyone with high intelligenc and questioning sense of life will go crazy in this fucked world
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I know that when I trained at Golds Hampton Drive Mike and Ray were into the world of Gay for Pay but I think they were more into the posing and not touching stuff. Joint displays hence the macho moustaches.
Enough to turn any straight man crazy.
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Enough to turn any straight man crazy.
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NOT.
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Oddly ??? nobody (or hardly ever) talks about how Ludwig Shusterich over ruled
judges for Mr.Olympia 1966, because L.Scot signed contract for series
of seminars (Weiders promo) in Europe :P :P :P
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I heard about it, Harold Poole was the ACTUAL winner...