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I like me some Canelo but Mayweather is spanking this kids ass.
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He already tainted the bout with the whole catch weight bullshit. He didn't make Oscar do a catchweight, nor did he do Cotto like that. He is a great fighter, but he couldn't carry Sugar Ray Leonards jock. Could you imagine Floyd fighting Hagler at 160 or any weight for that matter.
If I were Canelo I would have stood my ground and said "it's 154 or your a bitch and don't want the fight".
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That's like 3 or 4 Mexican sluggers in a row for FMW. This won't be close.
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He already tainted the bout with the whole catch weight bullshit. He didn't make Oscar do a catchweight, nor did he do Cotto like that. He is a great fighter, but he couldn't carry Sugar Ray Leonards jock. Could you imagine Floyd fighting Hagler at 160 or any weight for that matter.
If I were Canelo I would have stood my ground and said "it's 154 or your a bitch and don't want the fight".
SRL beats FMW like he did his dad. Hearns knocks FMW out at 147. He couldn't generate enough offense against those two. Even Emanuel Stewart said, they would czatch up to him in that later rounds, especially Hearns' right hand.
BTW, FMW could out point Duran or Hagler at a catch weight, depending on the day of the week. Those two never had the one punch power of Hearns or "chase you down" speed of Leonard.
Mexican fighters are no match for FMW. Hand picking his way to retirement, and he knows Mexicans will jump on PPV to see him get beat.
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Floyd lost to that b e a ne r Castillo in their first fight.
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Floyd lost to that b e a ne r Castillo in their first fight.
everyone had fmw winning, except for lederrmen.
The Associated Press had Mayweather winning, 115-111.[2] Also, The New York Daily News scorecard had Mayweather winning, 116-112.[3] HBO's Harold Lederman had Castillo winning 115-111. Even the judges had FMW ahead.
Every fighter on the face of this earth has a victory someone can say the other fighter should have won.
Mexican fighters are the easiest path to his retirement. That's just how it is unless there is one out there with Sergio Martinez hand speed.
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SRL beats FMW like he did his dad. Hearns knocks FMW out at 147. He couldn't generate enough offense against those two. Even Emanuel Stewart said, they would czatch up to him in that later rounds, especially Hearns' right hand.
BTW, FMW could out point Duran or Hagler at a catch weight, depending on the day of the week. Those two never had the one punch power of Hearns or "chase you down" speed of Leonard.
Mexican fighters are no match for FMW. Hand picking his way to retirement, and he knows Mexicans will jump on PPV to see him get beat.
Floyd couldn't keep Hagler or Duran off of him at any weight. If JL Castillo was competitive with Floyd, I hate to think of what Duran would do. Duran is a serious all time great. Probably/possibly the greatest lightweight to ever live.
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Floyd couldn't keep Hagler or Duran off of him at any weight. If JL Castillo was competitive with Floyd, I hate to think of what Duran would do. Duran is a serious all time great. Probably/possibly the greatest lightweight to ever live.
and ray leonard laughed duran out of the ring because he couldn't hit him. depending the day of the week, fmw would frustrate him with his defense. fmw blows but he's no tomato can. hagler at 147 (they'd never meet above that weight, so he'd get hagler early in his career. young fmw better than young hagler. hagler was a late bloomer.) doesn't have power, is an accumulative puncher. fmw has shown he can deal with slow sluggers.
one punch power and speed are fmw's enemies. leonard and hearns have those areas covered, not duran and a young hagler at 147.
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and ray leonard laughed duran out of the ring because he couldn't hit him. depending the day of the week, fmw would frustrate him with his defense. fmw blows but he's no tomato can. hagler at 147 (they'd never meet above that weight, so he'd get hagler early in his career. young fmw better than young hagler. hagler was a late bloomer.) doesn't have power, is an accumulative puncher. fmw has shown he can deal with slow sluggers.
one punch power and speed are fmw's enemies. leonard and hearns have those areas covered, not duran and a young hagler at 147.
Ray didn't fight a 147 lb Hagler. I'm sure when Tyson weighed 147 or Larry Holmes or Lennox Lewis weighed 147, Floyd could have beat them as well. Your vastly underrating Hagler. Hagler walked through fire with Hearns and took his soul. Floyd might be able to stay away for a while, but Floyd is no Sugar Ray. Eventually a prime Hagler would "get" a prime Floyd. For the record, I think Floyd is capable of being a great fighter. He has all the tools in the world. Unfortunately, he is cutting his own legacy short by missing too many guys altogether. Fighting them when past their primes. Or insisting on catch weight.
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everyone had fmw winning, except for lederrmen.
The Associated Press had Mayweather winning, 115-111.[2] Also, The New York Daily News scorecard had Mayweather winning, 116-112.[3] HBO's Harold Lederman had Castillo winning 115-111. Even the judges had FMW ahead.
Every fighter on the face of this earth has a victory someone can say the other fighter should have won.
Mexican fighters are the easiest path to his retirement. That's just how it is unless there is one out there with Sergio Martinez hand speed.
Nah, Mayweather lost that fight.
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Floyd has said before he doesn't do catch weights lol...
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Ray didn't fight a 147 lb Hagler. I'm sure when Tyson weighed 147 or Larry Holmes or Lennox Lewis weighed 147, Floyd could have beat them as well. Your vastly underrating Hagler. Hagler walked through fire with Hearns and took his soul. Floyd might be able to stay away for a while, but Floyd is no Sugar Ray. Eventually a prime Hagler would "get" a prime Floyd. For the record, I think Floyd is capable of being a great fighter. He has all the tools in the world. Unfortunately, he is cutting his own legacy short by missing too many guys altogether. Fighting them when past their primes. Or insisting on catch weight.
hearns was only beat once at 147 by leonard. fmw would never fight hagler even at 154. so, for that fight to happen, they would have had to meet early in their careers, so hagler could make weight. we know about the eye thing that kept a young leonard vs hagler from happening. hagler got pissed and left the country because he lost to an old leonard. he would have got creamed and boxed out the ring by a young leonard. fmw could out point duran.
who should fmw fight? manny, that's an arum joke, which has been uncovered? everyone was singing canelo's name the last 1 year. now, they have a problem when fmw takes the fight. he should fight boner? what's the point when you are 37 to take that kind of punishment from a young, upcoming fighter. fmw's days are behind him. time to collect checks instead of damaged brain cells and leave boxing without a speech therapist.
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i dont like the guy but Mayweather is everything Leonard was, not saying hes better but hes in the same league.
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That's like 3 or 4 Mexican sluggers in a row for FMW. This won't be close.
LOL. I think they are all Floyds fighters as well. Floyd is def hand-picking these hispanics that he knows have no chance! This is just getting sad! Floyd dictates all the terms to his advantage! He might go out undeafeted but not respected!
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Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Sugar Ray all would have taken him out. Out of the 4 mentioned Sugar Ray was the most like Mayweather. He would run and dance away most of the fight and throw punches in bunches then run.
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why the hate on floyd he hasnt done anything wrong
he fought the best fighters he could fight at that point in time
he didnt have an easy path becoming famous he earned his right
prime mosley wouldnt touch him and dela hoya didnt even know who floyd was
no one in his generation could beat him in light and welter weight
he is a good fighter but you get better when you lose and for him he didnt lose
he wouldnt be competitive at welter just to small and didnt pack enough power
in light weight overall he can hold his own against most but he loses just like everyone else
to fighter who has his number
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Tough kid
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Floyd will beat the piss out of him.
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FMW is one of the greatest P4P fighters ever
whats gives FMW problems is a great left jab (oscar showed that) combined with speed, you keep FMW off balance with fast jab+ movement, FMW cant get set to do his shit........lead rights......check left hooks............
he beats Hagler easily, superior boxer on styles, hands way too fast for Hagler
Hearns, on styles could beat FMW, if he boxed him with the superior height and reach, Hearns was also a very underrated left jab
ray leonard would get beat, FMWeasily beat fast slick guys with fast hands like mosley and judah
FMW easily over duran, style wise hatton similar to duran- easy to hit, FMW all the way over duran
FMW easily beat castillo in the 1st and 2nd fight
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Duran in no way shape or form similar to Hatton. That is a joke. Duran had a very good defense. He was excellent at slipping punches.
At 135 Duran ass-rapes FMJ. At 147 Duran wins, just like he did against Leonard in their first fight. And FMJ is not slick enough to pull off what SRL did in the rematch. Anything above 147 is hard to say because Duran was so far past his prime when he competed at those weights. Hell he was past his prime when he fought Leonard.
That aside, FMJ breezes by Canelo.
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Duran in no way shape or form similar to Hatton. That is a joke. Duran had a very good defense. He was excellent at slipping punches.
At 135 Duran ass-rapes FMJ. At 147 Duran wins, just like he did against Leonard in their first fight. And FMJ is not slick enough to pull off what SRL did in the rematch. Anything above 147 is hard to say because Duran was so far past his prime when he competed at those weights. Hell he was past his prime when he fought Leonard.
That aside, FMJ breezes by Canelo.
Spot on. Good post.
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style wise hatton similar to duran-
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duran had sound defense , it was underrated
but he was not difficult to hit
esteban de jesus, palomino, ray leonard, hagler, even barkely all hit him easily
an accurate, super fast hands puncher liek FMW wouldve potshotted him all night
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duran had sound defense , it was underrated
but he was not difficult to hit
esteban de jesus, palomino, ray leonard, hagler, even barkely all hit him easily
an accurate, super fast hands puncher liek FMW wouldve potshotted him all night
Quit it already. Duran was arguably the greatest lightweight fighter in history.
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Greatest in history?!? ??? No matter what he did b4 or after, or whatever weight, "no Mas!" tells the story of Duran's heart when someone is giving him a good fight and not being a punching bag. A real legend would have fought til it was stopped, never mind quit onthe stool, but Duran quit while he could still walk!
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Potshot? Ok...I see this is pointless.
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Greatest in history?!? ??? No matter what he did b4 or after, or whatever weight, "no Mas!" tells the story of Duran's heart when someone is giving him a good fight and not being a punching bag. A real legend would have fought til it was stopped, never mind quit onthe stool, but Duran quit while he could still walk!
this sums it up p[erfectly
a bit of boxing skill, duran made to miss and getting countered all nite and what does he do? he quits
Henry armstrong was the greatest lightweight of all time
itsa good thing Duran never fought Benitez becos the Radar wouldve made him look worse than SRL did :)
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Yeah, Duran was "arguably" the greatest lightweight in history. Which proves the point when you have to go as far back as Henry Armstrong-probably the greatest P4P fighter in history.
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FMW is smart
he's fighting Canelo @ the right time
the Canelo Trout fight showed Canelo still has limitations and FMW will exploit those b4 Canelo imrpoves alot more and FMW ages more
smart business man FMW
if pacman beats Rio then maybe finally we'll see FMW v pac which is an easy win fro FMW
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Don't fuck with The Champ.
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Duran more then mde up for his no mas fight fuck head ."..you don't know shit about boxing . I happen to work with Iran Barkley he said Duran was his hardest fight and Duran was 40 at the time
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Rocky gave Julio Cesar Chavez a good fight.
Underrated mofo
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Duran more then mde up for his no mas fight fuck head ."..you don't know shit about boxing . I happen to work with Iran Barkley he said Duran was his hardest fight and Duran was 40 at the time
No making up for that....Leonard basically made him his bitch in front of millions. Ray has full rights fo fuck Durans wife whenever he wants.
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There is a shitload of "unknowledge" permeating this thread as pertains to boxing. Sugar Ray Leonard was not a potshot, dance and run fighter. He was a fucking dog who could fight like hell. When he couldn't outbox Hearns, which Mayweather certainly could not, he went to plan B and got into Tommy's ass. Which Floyd never would nor never could do. Period!
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There is a shitload of "unknowledge" permeating this thread as pertains to boxing. Sugar Ray Leonard was not a potshot, dance and run fighter. He was a fucking dog who could fight like hell. When he couldn't outbox Hearns, which Mayweather certainly could not, he went to plan B and got into Tommy's ass. Which Floyd never would nor never could do. Period!
these bitches didn't see ray leonard eat hearn's straight right and still kept coming forward, never went down. and 147 was optimal for hearn's power, not 160, when he fought hagler and guys like barkley.
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Sugar Ray was a bad guy.
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Don't fuck with The Champ.
street fights can turn ugly quick, if his clown ass boys start screaming "gun". put that bitch asleep and move on. anyway, the guy drinking red bull wasn't a getbigger, because you know getbiggers can kick any boxer's ass in a street fight, because we know how to take a punch and get the most leverage on our punches. ::)
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Don't fuck with The Champ.
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wasn't rocky lockridge on intervention? Didn't he end up on the streets smoking crack? I am pretty sure I saw rocky on a episode of intervention.He was living in NJ and was a homeless crackhead.
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FMW is smart
he's fighting Canelo @ the right time
the Canelo Trout fight showed Canelo still has limitations and FMW will exploit those b4 Canelo imrpoves alot more and FMW ages more
smart business man FMW
if pacman beats Rio then maybe finally we'll see FMW v pac which is an easy win fro FMW
via HBO, FMW gets 50% plus a % of PPV. He received $35M for his last fight, is expected to get $50M for this one. Those numbers go do down substantially when Arum steps in the picture. Manny tried to break his contract with Arum last year but has to honor his remaining fights for Top Rank. That's the only way you will see Manny and FMW get it on. FMW won't do business with Arum, if it means money out of his pocket, has always said, Arum ripped him off early in his career.
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Who will be there? ???
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Yes Niggademus it should be a good fight to watch Niggademus.
I don't care about the fight but just the ring girls walking around.
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No making up for that....Leonard basically made him his bitch in front of millions. Ray has full rights fo fuck Durans wife whenever he wants.
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duran could have beaten hearns and hagler, that WOULD NOT have made up for NO MAS
NOTHING WILL EVER MAKE UP FOR NO MAS- IT SHOWED DURAN WAS A BITCH AND RAY LEONARD HIS MASTER
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Duran more then mde up for his no mas fight fuck head ."..you don't know shit about boxing . I happen to work with Iran Barkley he said Duran was his hardest fight and Duran was 40 at the time
what work were you doing for barkley
buying him his crack?
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Canelo didn't even beat trout IMO could have gone either way ... Easy fight for Floyd ...
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Besides the 4 "kings" putting Floyd down-( Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Leonard), Benitez if he showed up in shape was too slick for Floyd too
The Sugar Ray - Hagler fight is still very controversial- I watched the fight and still think Hagler got screwed. Hagler was an animal in his prime, Ray Leonard was great , but no Marvin Hagler.
Floyd in the late 70's and through mid 80's has possible 5 losses.
People can speculate all day who was the greatest ..... compare styles.... make predictions based on this and that but it all comes down to the human element -that can't be "predicted" with a lot of accuracy in my opinion. Ali on paper against Liston or Foreman was a disaster... look what happened, Marciano ran the table against older competition granted but if he never would have fought Louis or Walcott or Moore or Charles somebody SOMEWHERE would have said Marciano was too small, too easy to hit, cut too much.... yet he did win.
Just saying it's very difficult to make predictions when dealing with people, who knows maybe Floyd runs the table in the 80's because the other mentioned fighters bring out the "hidden" monster in him that has not HAD to come out yet
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HAVEN'T had time to read all this but here's the LAS VEGAS moneyline as of late last week,
You would have to place a $270 bet on MAYWEATHER to win $100. (Walk away with $370 if he wins.)
OR bet $100 on CANELO to win $230. (Walk away with $330 if he wins.)
ANY ADVICE??
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Besides the 4 "kings" putting Floyd down-( Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Leonard), Benitez if he showed up in shape was too slick for Floyd too
The Sugar Ray - Hagler fight is still very controversial- I watched the fight and still think Hagler got screwed. Hagler was an animal in his prime, Ray Leonard was great , but no Marvin Hagler.
Floyd in the late 70's and through mid 80's has possible 5 losses.
People can speculate all day who was the greatest ..... compare styles.... make predictions based on this and that but it all comes down to the human element -that can't be "predicted" with a lot of accuracy in my opinion. Ali on paper against Liston or Foreman was a disaster... look what happened, Marciano ran the table against older competition granted but if he never would have fought Louis or Walcott or Moore or Charles somebody SOMEWHERE would have said Marciano was too small, too easy to hit, cut too much.... yet he did win.
Just saying it's very difficult to make predictions when dealing with people, who knows maybe Floyd runs the table in the 80's because the other mentioned fighters bring out the "hidden" monster in him that has not HAD to come out yet
he wouldn't fight paul williams (on record saying he's too big) because of the height issue, so what makes you think in any era he'd touch a 6'1" power-punching hearns at 147.
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I agree with you, I think The cobra massacres Floyd. Just can't rule out the "human thing'' though. I think Tommy was too tough, jab too good, right hand plain deadly, too lanky and slick for Floyd. I think Tommy catches Floyd inside 10 rounds... but you never know !
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and ray leonard laughed duran out of the ring because he couldn't hit him. depending the day of the week, fmw would frustrate him with his defense. fmw blows but he's no tomato can. hagler at 147 (they'd never meet above that weight, so he'd get hagler early in his career. young fmw better than young hagler. hagler was a late bloomer.) doesn't have power, is an accumulative puncher. fmw has shown he can deal with slow sluggers.
one punch power and speed are fmw's enemies. leonard and hearns have those areas covered, not duran and a young hagler at 147.
I don't know man, Floyd has never lost and doesn't seem to have many enemies. He is just to good defensively.
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I don't know man, Floyd has never lost and doesn't seem to have many enemies. He is just to good defensively.
He lost to JL Castillo.
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He lost to JL Castillo.
no he didnt
he clearly beat him both fights
the first fight was closer but you go back and watch it, JLC landed virtually nothing on FMW
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IF Canelo makes it close, he will walk away with a butthurt decision win.
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Floyd will start to slip when his reflexes and speed slow a notch
he's been boxing since he was 6 years old, sparring with bigger and stronger opponents all his life
his defensive skills are so good, its almost 2nd nature to him, the shoulder roll, the slide, the duck and move head movement
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The long layoffs helped Mayweather. He's never been an active fighter, surprised he's fighting twice this year. If he had to fight like the fighters back in the day, 4-5 times a year, he'd lose by now. He doesn't have many fights either, that's why he's undefeated...he trains hard and comes focus when he wants to fight.
Plus he lives a clean lifestyle, no drugs and alcohol.
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good points
the guy who gave FMW the most trouble was Judah because of judahs handspeed
Canelo does not have super fast hands like judah
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no he didnt
he clearly beat him both fights
the first fight was closer but you go back and watch it, JLC landed virtually nothing on FMW
He clearly didn't do anything but lose. I was there and all 13,000 fans booed the decision.
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Hearns was all wrong for Floyd at 147, wins a UD easy. Could knock Floyd out in 6-8.
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Hearns destroys Floyd. Leonard was able to Back Hearns up and get into his ass, because Ray Leonard had that dog in him. He wasn't just a pretty boy, he was a bad ass. Find me another fighter who comes out of a five year retirement and fights Marvin Hagler. I'm pretty sure I scored it for Hagler, but the point is that Ray fought him and fought him well enough to get a decision. Floyd would end up running away from Hearns losing a lopsided decision or get KTFO.
Roberto Duran also would have gotten into Floyd's ass at any weight. JL Castillo conservatively won 10 of 24 rounds against Floyd and at best, he was a poor mans Duran. Duran would have gotten to Floyd and worked him over.
Floyd is great though. No shame in losing to Hearns and Duran. I've got this feeling that Floyd is going to be sharper than he's been in nearly 10 years. He's coming off a fight just 4 months ago. Don't be surprised if he stops Canelo.
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I am worried about FMJ getting old though. I hope he beats Canelo. I hope he retires before he loses to father time.
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FMW will school Canelo
canelo looked limited against Trout
he hasnt fought anyone near FMW's skill level, foot work, handspeed, punching accuracy
FMW will know when he speed and reflexes start to slip and he'll know when to retire- he's arrogant but he's smart
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good points
the guy who gave FMW the most trouble was Judah because of judahs handspeed
Canelo does not have super fast hands like judah
it wasn't necessarily the size with sergio martinez since he is only 5'9 and was willing to dehydrate to 150 but fmw's camp came up with "he's too big" also, was his speed and the power at the end of his punches at his apex that fnw had no interest in. i'm betting canelo re-hydrate to the size of sergio martinez but is a snail when you compare hand speed and foot work.
judah's head case issues got him after the 4th round. obviously that ring brawl was the culprit.
nothing against fmw. dude left top rank, figured out how to promote himself as the villian of boxing, and now it nets him 20-30M per fight on his mexican tour. smart boxer in a land of morons who make promoters rich like manny.
and yes, he lives a clean life, has always vs his assclown protegee broner who doesn't get it's more to fmw than the fake flash he is selling.