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I train at night and sometimes I have a kinda big meal 3 hours before training, so I still feel somewhat full after working out. It is ok if I just go to bed without eating something, right? I mean, I'm still digesting what I ate before training, eating something wouldn't be necessary but I want to hear opinions anyway.
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drink a muscle milk with ice, in that small window between ending training & falling asleep. It'd delicious, down the hatch in 30 seconds, and will help you recover after the workout.
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I train at night and sometimes I have a kinda big meal 3 hours before training, so I still feel somewhat full after working out. It is ok if I just go to bed without eating something, right? I mean, I'm still digesting what I ate before training, eating something wouldn't be necessary but I want to hear opinions anyway.
Are you juiced or natural?
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PED-ing right now but I would like to hear opinions about both scenarios
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I would have a protein shake and bcaas post workout. Then a gatorade or simple sugar 30 min after that. You'll feel replenished and ready for another workout. Then a full protein and carb meal an hour or so after that. If you're natural even moreso.
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drink a muscle milk with ice, in that small window between ending training & falling asleep. It'd delicious, down the hatch in 30 seconds, and will help you recover after the workout.
Those banana muscle Milks are insanely good.
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prolly not necessary depending how you eat throught the day but i tend to think better to then not
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no.
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Yes, it absolutely is necessary. Whether it's food or liquid. There is no more important window for nourishment than post training.
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Yes, it absolutely is necessary. Whether it's food or liquid. There is no more important window for nourishment than post training.
im not even going to bother debating such stupidity.
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MM Collegiate..no one leaves the gym without one.
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if your stomach is still full from eating a few hrs earlier
why would you eat again ::)
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MM Collegiate..no one leaves the gym without one.
enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake
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enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake
It's a nice touch Coach, but this is true.
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im not even going to bother debating such stupidity.
You absolutely belong here at getbig. Well done, retard.
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Everybody nowadays seems to shit on the old "bro-science" methods like multiple meals every few hours, from clean sources, but I've noticed that I perform at my absolute best when I follow these rules. My body just looks and feels better.
I'm sure I could maintain by doing all the newer cookie cutter methods, but if I'm really pushing myself weekly and trying to set new PR's, consistent nutrition is mandatory for me. Otherwise I see my progress come to a halt.
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there are so many theories on this it makes one's head spin
i'd either go for "instinctive approach" or consult a scientific book on sports nutrition
too much bro science out there to try it all
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enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake
No matter what's put up, its going to be criticized on here. You make it seem like we're somekind of health food freak. All I have to say is its better than walking out with nothing.
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You absolutely belong here at getbig. Well done, retard.
except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed
"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later
unless you're IV'ing your protein or something
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No matter what's put up, its going to be criticized on here. You make it seem like we're somekind of health food freak. All I have to say is its better than walking out with nothing.
not really
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm
"We purchased 15 protein powders and drinks mainly in the New York metro area or online and tested multiple samples of each for arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury. The results showed a considerable range, but levels in three products were of particular concern because consuming three servings a day could result in daily exposure to arsenic, cadmium, or lead exceeding the limits proposed by USP.
We found that three daily servings of the ready-to-drink liquid EAS Myoplex Original Rich Dark Chocolate Shake provides an average of 16.9 micrograms (µg) of arsenic, exceeding the proposed USP limit of 15 µg per day, and an average of 5.1 µg of cadmium, which is just above the USP limit of 5 µg per day. Concentrations in most products were relatively low, but when taking into account the large serving size suggested, the number of micrograms per day for a few of the products was high compared with most others tested.
The samples of Muscle Milk Chocolate powder we tested contained all four heavy metals, and levels of three metals in the product were among the highest of all in our tests. Average cadmium levels of 5.6 µg in three daily servings slightly exceeded the USP limit of 5 µg per day, and the average lead level of 13.5 µg also topped the USP limit of 10 µg per day. The average arsenic level of 12.2 µg was approaching the USP limit of 15 µg per day, and the average for mercury was 0.7 µg, well below the USP's 15 µg-per-day limit. Three daily servings of Muscle Milk Vanilla Crème contained 12.2 µg of lead, exceeding lead limits, and 11.2 µg of arsenic. A fourth product, Muscle Milk Nutritional Shake Chocolate (liquid), provided an average of 14.3 µg of arsenic per day from three servings, approaching the proposed USP limit.
Cadmium raises special concern because it accumulates in and can damage the kidneys, the same organs that can be damaged by excessive protein consumption. And it can take 20 years for the body to eliminate even half the cadmium absorbed today.
"This is a highly toxic metal, and while there are some cases where decisions have to be weighed against relative risks, accepting that you have to be exposed to any cadmium at all in your protein drink after your workout is definitely not one of them," says Michael Harbut, M.D., director of the Environmental Cancer Initiative at the Karmanos Cancer Institute in Royal Oak, Mich.
"When these toxic heavy metals are combined in a product that is marketed for daily use, that raises serious public health concerns, especially for pregnant women, children, and young adults," says Burns, who has been a toxicology consultant to state and federal government agencies.
For most people, protein drinks are not the only possible source of exposure to heavy metals, but they are an easily avoidable one, since most people can meet their protein needs, help minimize exposure to contaminants, and save money by choosing the right foods.
Shellfish and organ meats such as liver can be high in cadmium, and some plant foods such as potatoes, rice, sunflower seeds, spinach, and other leafy greens can also take in significant amounts of the metal from the environment, due in large part to the use of cadmium-containing phosphate fertilizers, according to Bruce A. Fowler, a researcher at the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Food and Drug Administration research suggests that foods such as milk, yogurt, eggs, poultry, and red meats are generally good protein sources that seem to contain little or no cadmium, lead, arsenic, or mercury. For perspective about the relative risks exposure to those metals can pose, consider the agency's list of 275 hazardous substances at toxic waste sites: Arsenic, lead, and mercury rank Nos. 1, 2, and 3, and cadmium is No. 7, based on risks to people around those sites.
Robert Wright, M.D., an associate professor at Harvard Medical School, who is conducting research on the health effects of exposure to toxic metals, says, "Small amounts of exposure are inevitable, but a product that exceeds the USP limit is clearly doing something wrong."
Being exposed simultaneously to a mixture of toxins can also potentially increase health risks, particularly when they target the same organs or systems, as some metals we detected do, according to Harbut. He says that this is the result of a synergistic effect, meaning the effects of two toxic substances together can be even greater than those of the sum of the two, and not enough research has been done to determine whether that occurs from multiple exposures to even relatively low levels of those heavy metals. "
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except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed
"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later
unless you're IV'ing your protein or something
So when someone has diabetes or low blood sugar and they eat or drink something and instantly feel better, it's just a placebo effect? Because in your reality, it won't get to the small intestine for 3 hours?
Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
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not really
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/july/food/protein-drinks/what-our-tests-found/index.htm
"We purchased 15 protein powders and drinks mainly in the New York metro area or online and tested multiple samples of each for arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury. The results showed a considerable range, but levels in three products were of particular concern because consuming three servings a day could result in daily exposure to arsenic, cadmium, or lead exceeding the limits proposed by USP.
We found that three daily servings of the ready-to-drink liquid EAS Myoplex Original Rich Dark Chocolate Shake provides an average of 16.9 micrograms (µg) of arsenic, exceeding the proposed USP limit of 15 µg per day, and an average of 5.1 µg of cadmium, which is just above the USP limit of 5 µg per day. Concentrations in most products were relatively low, but when taking into account the large serving size suggested, the number of micrograms per day for a few of the products was high compared with most others tested.
The samples of Muscle Milk Chocolate powder we tested contained all four heavy metals, and levels of three metals in the product were among the highest of all in our tests. Average cadmium levels of 5.6 µg in three daily servings slightly exceeded the USP limit of 5 µg per day, and the average lead level of 13.5 µg also topped the USP limit of 10 µg per day. The average arsenic level of 12.2 µg was approaching the USP limit of 15 µg per day, and the average for mercury was 0.7 µg, well below the USP's 15 µg-per-day limit. Three daily servings of Muscle Milk Vanilla Crème contained 12.2 µg of lead, exceeding lead limits, and 11.2 µg of arsenic. A fourth product, Muscle Milk Nutritional Shake Chocolate (liquid), provided an average of 14.3 µg of arsenic per day from three servings, approaching the proposed USP limit.
Cadmium raises special concern because it accumulates in and can damage the kidneys, the same organs that can be damaged by excessive protein consumption. And it can take 20 years for the body to eliminate even half the cadmium absorbed today.
"This is a highly toxic metal, and while there are some cases where decisions have to be weighed against relative risks, accepting that you have to be exposed to any cadmium at all in your protein drink after your workout is definitely not one of them," says Michael Harbut, M.D., director of the Environmental Cancer Initiative at the Karmanos Cancer Institute in Royal Oak, Mich.
"When these toxic heavy metals are combined in a product that is marketed for daily use, that raises serious public health concerns,especially for pregnant women, children, and young adults," says Burns, who has been a toxicology consultant to state and federal government agencies.
For most people, protein drinks are not the only possible source of exposure to heavy metals, but they are an easily avoidable one, since most people can meet their protein needs, help minimize exposure to contaminants, and save money by choosing the right foods.
Shellfish and organ meats such as liver can be high in cadmium, and some plant foods such as potatoes, rice, sunflower seeds, spinach, and other leafy greens can also take in significant amounts of the metal from the environment, due in large part to the use of cadmium-containing phosphate fertilizers, according to Bruce A. Fowler, a researcher at the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Food and Drug Administration research suggests that foods such as milk, yogurt, eggs, poultry, and red meats are generally good protein sources that seem to contain little or no cadmium, lead, arsenic, or mercury. For perspective about the relative risks exposure to those metals can pose, consider the agency's list of 275 hazardous substances at toxic waste sites: Arsenic, lead, and mercury rank Nos. 1, 2, and 3, and cadmium is No. 7, based on risks to people around those sites.
Robert Wright, M.D., an associate professor at Harvard Medical School, who is conducting research on the health effects of exposure to toxic metals, says, "Small amounts of exposure are inevitable, but a product that exceeds the USP limit is clearly doing something wrong."
Being exposed simultaneously to a mixture of toxins can also potentially increase health risks, particularly when they target the same organs or systems, as some metals we detected do, according to Harbut. He says that this is the result of a synergistic effect, meaning the effects of two toxic substances together can be even greater than those of the sum of the two, and not enough research has been done to determine whether that occurs from multiple exposures to even relatively low levels of those heavy metals. "
You'll find that in most supplements and almost any processed food product. We don't use a regular muscle milk, we use Collegiate, ratios are 2-1 carbs to protein. We have been using it for years. Also, Probably 3/4 of the Universities and pro teams, use it. If it were. That bad, I'm sure it wouldn't be used
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except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed
"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later
unless you're IV'ing your protein or something
This is simply not true.
Protein can enter your bloodstream within 15 minutes of ingestion.
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except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed
"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later
unless you're IV'ing your protein or something
This is why you use micronized protein and bcaas. Hits you fast.
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So when someone has diabetes or low blood sugar and they eat or drink something and instantly feel better, it's just a placebo effect? Because in your reality, it won't get to the small intestine for 3 hours?
Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
What he's saying is partly true, the majority of nutrients are in fact disgested in the small intestine and it does take a few hours for food to get there. However, once the stomach acids have broken down foods (which can be as quickly as minutes) simple nutrients like sugars can be absorbed instantly and depending on which sugar (fructose for example has to bypass the live I believe?) will be in the bloodstream minutes from eating it.
If a diabetic eats a snickers for example, they will feel 'better' / blood sugar levels returning to normal levels very quickly. As 90% of a snickers bar is sugar lol, i'm sure not much makes it to the small intestines ;D
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When tbombz ingests his morning semen, does he feel the effects quickly?
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I don't know about you, but when i finish an intense workout session in my sparkly purple thong, the hunger kicks in pretty hard after i finish showering and bottling my sweat to sell to schmoes.
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If your muscles take 4 days to heal then your window of opportunity to eat in order to grow muscles is 4 days ;)
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If your muscles take 4 days to heal then your window of opportunity to eat in order to grow muscles is 4 days ;)
Great news, I haven't eaten since my last workout 3.5 days ago - should I eat just before midnight tonight or does the window close at different times each day?
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Great news, I haven't eaten since my last workout 3.5 days ago - should I eat just before midnight tonight or does the window close at different times each day?
:D
My point is there is no window, just eat when you can, in my case I grow best on large amounts of protein so as long as I wolf down 300+ grams per day I am fine.
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You'll find that in most supplements and almost any processed food product. We don't use a regular muscle milk, we use Collegiate, ratios are 2-1 carbs to protein. We have been using it for years. Also, Probably 3/4 of the Universities and pro teams, use it. If it were. That bad, I'm sure it wouldn't be used
So none of the poisons found in Muscle milk by Consumers Reports is in the Collegiate Muscle milk, only the regular one? I just know that any supplement is not tested by any government agency. Only after a problem becomes wide spread. I remember when many Creatine sellers were sourcing their material from China and it was found to be contaminated. That's when some went to German creatine for their material.
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:D
My point is there is no window, just eat when you can, in my case I grow best on large amounts of protein so as long as I wolf down 300+ grams per day I am fine.
No I totally agree with you OTH.
I hope that not everyone realises this though, as I'll miss the guys running into the changing room and pulling out a can opener to eat tuna, and mixing a shake with the other hand before the 45 seconds is up lol.
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No I totally agree with you OTH.
I hope that not everyone realises this though, as I'll miss the guys running into the changing room and pulling out a can opener to eat tuna, and mixing a shake with the other hand before the 45 seconds is up lol.
lol, ya I see guys sprinting to the front counter to buy a shake after their last set :D It's funny
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except he's right. it takes like three hours for food to even reach the small intestine, where like 90% of the nutrients are absorbed
"anabolic window" is BS, you'll still be digesting whatever you ate three hours ago when you down that shake and the shake itself won't even start absorbing until 3 hours later
unless you're IV'ing your protein or something
Thats why you DRINK a LIQUID
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You'll find that in most supplements and almost any processed food product. We don't use a regular muscle milk, we use Collegiate, ratios are 2-1 carbs to protein. We have been using it for years. Also, Probably 3/4 of the Universities and pro teams, use it. If it were. That bad, I'm sure it wouldn't be used
that article went completely over your head, didn't it? i'm talking about toxic heavy metal content and you're babbling some shit about carb to protein ratios. ::)
you say if it was bad no one would use it, the company has been under scrutiny for something like 7 years now and settled like several multi-million dollar lawsuits, they've even been under sanctions from the FDA for falsely advertising their products as "healthy". this isn't news to anyone and no one in their right mind does use it. it's literally the worst protein shake on the market.
you realize that you can smoke close to a whole pack of most cig brands and still get less than the amount of lead, arsenic and cadmium contained in ONE of these shakes?
the fact that you're handing this out to people and making them drink it without doing the most basic of research as to what it contains is downright appalling.
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if your stomach is still full from eating a few hrs earlier
why would you eat again ::)
Because you're a bodybuilder, not a human being
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Whenever I drink Muscle Milk my mouth feels like I chewed on a chunk of aluminum for the rest of the day.
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So when someone has diabetes or low blood sugar and they eat or drink something and instantly feel better, it's just a placebo effect? Because in your reality, it won't get to the small intestine for 3 hours?
Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
first off, it takes something like 30 minutes, not "instantly".
secondly. you do realize, dipshit, that there's a massive fucking difference between absorbing simple glucose-based sugars that need minimal digestion to break them down into a readily-absorbable state as opposed to complex proteins that take hours to break down? it's basic chemistry.
the only bullshit here is what's coming out of your mouth in the form of idiotic analogies that have no bearing on what we're talking about.
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Don't bother eating, just down a few BCAAs. Stay away from that Muscle Milk shit. Just read the ingredients. Sunflower oil, Canola Oil???????????
(http://musclemilknutrition.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/musclemilkingredients.jpg)
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Because you're a bodybuilder, not a human being
from the stomach straight to the pump
super fast absorbtion whey isolate hydrolized
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from the stomach straight to the pump
super fast absorbtion whey isolate hydrolized
This (http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/protein-supplements/pure-whey-isolate-97.html) is what I take, 2 scoops pre & 2 post
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Sometimes I eat a Greek yogurt after my workout.
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Sometimes I eat a Greek yogurt after my workout.
Greek yogurt like straight from the tap?
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its official. 'abraham g' has taken over as the sites biggest retard. on a bbing board where stupidity is a daily occurrence 'abraham g' sets a new benchmark in ignorance.
'so if someone is a diabetic and takes sugar and feels immediately better thats a placebo effect?' he says in defense of his claim that the 'anabolic window' (who says shit like this anyway) is very serious business.
it appears our new resident is comparing a person who needs glucose to stay alive to a trainer who cannot afford to miss his 'anabolic window'.
well done, retard. well done.
go back to the pink weights sunshine.
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its time to destroy all the bro science out there once and for all.
too many misled ppl, wasting precious time of their lives bc theyre confused on diet and training stuff unnecesarily.
its time to clean up that mess.
You sound like GH15, lol.
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You sound like GH15, lol.
gh15 was right about a lot of things
i think
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enjoy your cheap chinese phosphate and heavy metal shake
Muscle Milk is toxic.
True story.
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Supplement industry wants you to believe you need "high quality nutrients" in you immediately after a workout.
For years I always downed a huge protein shake and a big meal after a workout like my life depended on it. Silly fucker. Now I don't eat 90 minutes after my workout. I also don't eat any carbs 8 hours before my workout (I work out first thing in the morning on empty stomach). Same amount of muscle, just a whole less fat and a lot more pussssies.
Carb-induced insulin severely stunts the production of natural HGH. HGH is the key. Fuck the carbs, fuck the protein, fuck the shakes, fuck all that nonsense BS. You need to focus on the HGH. HGH production is peak during the workout and 90 minutes after your workout. That's not bro science.
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there is only one scenario when you have to eat post workout immediately and that is if you take insulin, other then that an hour or 2 can pass and it will make no difference, although I don't recommend and entire night, man would I ever be starving when i woke up if I did this
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if you are hungy eat if not fuck it. It makes zero difference.
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if you are hungy eat if not fuck it. It makes zero difference.
it's all about drugs and lifting weights
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gh15 was right about a lot of things
i think
Yeah, he was.
...but now the guy is a crazy kunt, his posts are a complete joke.
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Yes, it absolutely is necessary. Whether it's food or liquid. There is no more important window for nourishment than post training.
Another retard believing what he sees on the internet.
Try leaving your gaddamm body alone for 90 minutes after your workout and avoid any insulin spike and see that midsection get ripped fast with no loss of muscle. None.
Seriously. Try it for a few months. Fucking queer.
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Another retard believing what he sees on the internet.
Try leaving your gaddamm body alone for 90 minutes after your workout and avoid any insulin spike and see that midsection get ripped fast with no loss of muscle. None.
Seriously. Try it for a few months. Fucking queer.
after workout there is zerooo apetite anyway
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after workout there is zerooo apetite anyway
??? really, I am starving after a workout. :-\
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??? really, I am starving after a workout. :-\
same here and usually most of the day after a workout.
I sometimes wish i could feel full
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Bro science is strong in this thread. You fitness bitches keep on starving yourselves.
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I would have a protein shake and bcaas post workout. Then a gatorade or simple sugar 30 min after that. You'll feel replenished and ready for another workout. Then a full protein and carb meal an hour or so after that. If you're natural even moreso.
This ^^ is correct. All you need cells that can take in so so much protein and carbs you will piss the rest out.
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When tbombz ingests his morning semen, does he feel the effects quickly?
he takes it anally, hits the small intestines faster
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Always make sure to bring to the gym a scientific digital scale, professionally calibrated every 3 months to ensure accuracy when developing a pre, during and post workout protein shake strategy.
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This ^^ is correct. All you need cells that can take in so so much protein and carbs you will piss the rest out.
Oh brother..."piss the rest out."
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Good info, thanks guys.
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it's all about drugs and lifting weights
I hope you're sarcastic here