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Obama Defends Surveillance Programs as Legal and Limited
President Obama on Friday offered a robust defense of the government surveillance programs revealed this week, and sought to reassure the public that his administration has not become a Big Brother with eyes and ears throughout the world of online communications.
“Nobody is listening to your telephone calls,” Mr. Obama said, delivering a 14-minute answer to two questions about the surveillance programs during a four-day trip to the West Coast at an event that was initially supposed to be devoted to the health care law. “That’s not what this program is about.”
The president’s remarks were his first since the revelations this week of programs to collect information about phone calls and Internet traffic. Mr. Obama said the programs help prevent terrorist attacks and they are kept in check by rigorous judicial and Congressional oversight.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/us/national-security-agency-surveillance.html?emc=na
FUCK YOU OBAMA!
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Worse Than We Thought? Gov’t Tracked Credit Card Transactions, Shared Phones Records With UK
Jun. 7, 2013 12:42pm Becket Adams 10
You may want to sit down for this.
It appears that along with online information, the U.S. government has tracked credit card purchases and, in some cases, shared phone data with the U.K., according to The Wall Street Journal and The Daily Beast.
It was revealed earlier this week that the feds have been monitoring Verizon, Sprint Nextel, and AT&T customers and that the National Security Administration had established a massive program, code-named PRISM, that indicates the monitoring of Americans.
Now the Wall Street Journal’s sources claim NSA operations also encompass purchase information from credit-card providers.
“It couldn’t be determined if any of the Internet or credit-card arrangements are ongoing, as are the phone company efforts, or one-shot collection efforts,” the WSJ notes.
What is known at this time, however, is that the NSA has established with credit-card companies the same type of relationship it has established with tech companies. That is, the NSA asks for the data and they get it.
Also, according to The Daily Beast’s Eli Lake, at least “one foreign government has gained access to sensitive data collected by the National Security Agency from U.S. telecommunications companies in dragnet court warrants demanding the secret transfer of U.S. customers’ calling records.”
The collected information, referred to as “metadata,” does not include conversation content or the names of people associated with accounts. It does, however, record when and where calls are made and for how long.
And in a few “discreet cases,” as Lake puts it, “the NSA has shared unedited analysis of these records with its British counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters.”
Furthermore, in 2010, GCHQ actually gained access to the NSA’s PRISM program, The Guardian reports.
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“The documents showed the British generated 197 intelligence reports from access to the system in 2012,” Lake notes.
“With advances in computer science, intelligence services can now mine vast amounts of data collected by telecom companies, Internet service providers, and social-media sites for patterns that can illuminate terrorist networks and help solve crimes,” he adds, citing intelligence officers.
“These metadata … reside in vast hard drives that belong to the NSA. Analysts there can then take a phone number or email address and uncover suspected terrorists’ associates, find their locations, and even learn clues about their possible targets.”
A former senior U.S. intelligence official told The Daily Beast, “My understanding is if the British had a phone number, we might run the number through the database for them and provide them with the results.”
“I do not know of cases where the U.S. government has shared this kind of metadata with the United Kingdom, but I would be surprised if this never happened,” Peter Wood, the CEO of First Base Technologies, said in the same report. “Both countries cooperate very closely on counterterrorism.”
Click here to read The Daily Beast’s full report
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Breaking: NSA Eavesdropped on People Whom They Had Personal Grudges (Audio)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, June 7, 2013, 12:23 PM
Renee Montagne from NPR spoke with liberal columnist and author Glenn Greenwald, the reporter who co-wrote the stories for the British newspaper The Guardian, today on the massive data-mining scandal.
Greenwald dropped this bomb during the interview.
“There are reported examples of the NSA, analysts at the NSA, using mechanisms they have access to. ABC reported several years ago through whistle blowers that they have used it to eavesdrop on people on whom they have personal grudges. There are isolated examples of the Patriot Act being abused. The problem is that the entire system operates behind a wall of extreme secrecy.”
Here’s Greenwald on NPR this morning:
But surely the Obama administration would not eavesdrop on political opponents.
Right?
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Obama on Privacy Concerns: My Emails Could Be Targeted Too
by Ben Shapiro 7 Jun 2013, 10:38 AM PDT 25 post a comment
On Friday, President Obama took one question at a speech in northern California. Naturally, the question was about breaking information that the Obama administration has been monitoring Americans’ communications, including email exchanges. President Obama first said that all the stories were hype. Then, oddly, he said that even he could be targeted once he leaves office, so that proves he’s concerned about privacy issues:
I will leave the office at some point. Sometime in the next three and a half years and after that I will be a private citizen. And I suspect that on a list of people who might be targeted so that somebody can read their emails or listen to their phone calls, I might be high on that list. So it’s not that I personally don’t have an interest in insuring that my privacy is protected.
Ben Shapiro is Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News and author of the New York Times bestseller “Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America” (Threshold Editions, January 8, 2013).
LMFAO!!!!! Worthless drug addict Obama is
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/06/Fascism-Bob%20Beckel%20Explodes-At-Obama-Over-Deplorable-NSA-Phone-Records-Grab
Beckel exploding over Obama's treason
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Clapper admits secret NSA surveillance program to access user data
Guardian UK ^
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 11:21:46 AM by Perdogg
The US has admitted using a secret system to mine the systems of the biggest technology companies to spy on millions of people's online activity, overshadowing attempts by Barack Obama to force China to abandon its cyber-espionage program.
As concern mounted over the sweeping nature of US surveillance, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, confirmed revelations by the Guardian that the National Security Agency uses companies such as Google, Facebook and Apple to obtain information that includes the content of emails and online files.
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
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REMEMBER WHEN OBAMA WAS AGAINST NSA “FISHING” EXPEDITIONS?
Human Events ^ | 6/7/2013 | Caroline Mahony
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2013 4:54:35 PM by neverdem
With news of the Obama administration seizing the phone records of every Verizon user in the country, it’s a good time to review the president’s previous comments and votes on the Patriot Act.
On December 15, 2005, for instance, Obama gave a speech on the Senate Floor regarding the Patriot Act.
“…And if someone wants to know why their own government has decided to go on a fishing expedition through every personal record or private document – through library books they’ve read and phone calls they’ve made – this legislation gives people no rights to appeal the need for such a search in a court of law. No judge will hear their plea, no jury will hear their case. This is just plain wrong.Giving law enforcement the tools they need to investigate suspicious activity is one thing – and it’s the right thing – but doing it without any real oversight seriously jeopardizes the rights of all Americans and the ideals America stands for.”
Read the full speech here.
In March of 2006, Obama voted yes on the USA PATRIOT Act Additional Reauthorizing Amendments Act of 2006 titled, “A bill to clarify that individuals who receive FISA orders can challenge nondisclosure requirements, that individuals who receive national security letters are not required to disclose the name of their attorney, that libraries are not wire or electronic communication service providers unless they provide specific services, and for other purposes.”
On August 3, 2007, Obama voted no on the Protect America Act of 2007, titled,...
(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...
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NSA Whistleblower: Obama Took Down General Petraeus with Surveillance Program
breitbart ^ | 6/7 | breitbart
Posted on June 8, 2013 8:40:46 AM EDT by RummyChick
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/07/NSA-Whistle-blower-Obama-Took-Down-General-Petraeus-With-Surveillance-Program
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http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/07/18831985-officials-nsa-mistakenly-intercepted-emails-phone-calls-of-innocent-americans
Whatever. More lies
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http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/07/18831985-officials-nsa-mistakenly-intercepted-emails-phone-calls-of-innocent-americans
Whatever. More lies
It's ok because it is all a mistake and no laws were broken. The liberal mantra.
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Fuck Obama... He is taking the Orwellian state to a new level.
It's about time someone showed him the door.
Now, if only the Republicans run a worthy candidate...
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The Government's Intelligence and Security Committee is going on a week-long tour, when it will meet senior figures from the America’s intelligence agencies.
The news came after leaked US documents appeared to show that Britain’s listening post GCHQ has been secretly gathering intelligence from some of the world’s biggest internet firms through America’s National Security Agency.
The Guardian newspaper claimed that it had obtained documents that show that GCHQ, based in Cheltenham, has had access to the system since at least June 2010, and generated 197 intelligence reports from it last year.
It raises the prospect that the intelligence agency is able to circumvent UK restrictions on accessing people’s communications by obtaining the same information via the US authorities.
One senior MP said the news suggested the British Government was trying to introduce the Data Communications Bill – dubbed the “snoopers charter” and which was which was vetoed from last month’s Queen Speech after Liberal Democrat objections – “by the back door”.
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Members of the ISC, which monitors the work of Britain’s security agencies such as MI5, MI6 and GCHQ on behalf of the Cabinet Office, will meet with senior figures from both the NSA and the Central Intelligence Agency.
Sources said the visit – which has been long-planned – would provide a well timed opportunity to raise these issues.
Last night officials in GCHQ were drawing up a report on the Britain’s relationship, if anything, with the Prism programme, to allow the MPs to decide whether to take action.
The existence of the Prism programme has raised concerns over the potential intrusion by the US in to the communications of Britons.
Such concerns have been enhanced by the insistence of the American authorities that it is not used to glean information on US citizens but foreign nationals overseas.
The leaked document, obtained by the Guardian, suggests Prism grants the NSA and FBI direct access to the systems of nine of the world's top internet companies, including Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo and Skype.
Information that can be retrieved ranges from historic material such as emails, photos and videos to live communications, it has been reported.
And according to the leaked document, "special programmes for GCHQ exist for focused Prism processing" – suggesting the British agency may have been receiving material from a part of the programme specifically designed to meet its needs.
The UK Government has been met with fierce opposition over plans to extend current snooping powers in this country to monitor a wider range of communications.
However, even those proposals do not go as far as what the Prism programme already appears to be doing which raises the prospect that GCHQ is able to circumvent legal restrictions in the UK by obtaining the information from the US instead.
Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the chairman of the ISC, told The Daily Telegraph: “We will get a report and decide if any further action is needed.”
Sir Malcolm confirmed that his committee was planning a trip to the USA “in the near future” adding that it would be “spending several days in Washington, in the United States meeting the American agencies”.
Mark Field MP, another member of the ISC, said the news “puts into some sharp focus our own debates about the Data Communications Bill.
“We need to find out what has happened and if it has security implications for UK citizens who might be caught up in this.
“One of the whole points of the Data Communications Bill that people to forget is to protect the interests of the individual.
“Everyone refers to as being a snoopers’ charter but it is to codify the protections that UK citizens can expect from international companies operating here as well”.
Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons’ Home Affairs committee, said he was worried that the revelation suggested the Government was attempting to bring in “the Snoopers’ Charter by the back door”.
He said: “I am astonished by these revelations which could involve the data of thousands of Britons.
“The most chilling aspect is that ordinary American citizens and potentially British citizens too were apparently unaware that their phone and online interactions could be watched.
“This seems to be the Snoopers’ Charter by the back door. I shall be writing to the Home Secretary asking for a full explanation.”
Robert Buckland MP, a part-time judge, added: “I want assurances from the US that our emails are not being examined.
“At a time when debate in the UK continues to rage about cyber privacy, this sort of activity is deeply worrying.”
Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper added that the ISC should “report on the UK's relationship with the Prism programme, the nature of intelligence being gathered, the extent of UK oversight by Ministers and others, and the level of safeguards and compliance with the law”.
Lord Carlile, the Government’s former independent reviewer of counter-terrorism, called on the Coalition to guarantee US companies with an operation in the UK were not being forced to disclose information about Britons by American agencies.
American companies are required by the “Patriot Act”, passed in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, to hand over information to US authorities.
He said: “The Patriot Act gives far more extensive powers to the American executive than we would ever contemplate in the UK.”
Lord Carlile added that he wanted guarantees that the Patriot Act had no jurisdiction in the UK and that “British law applies in the UK even to American companies”.
He said: “I do have a concern that the Government must ensure that any company operating within the UK operates within British jurisdiction.”
A GCHQ spokesman said: “GCHQ takes its obligations under the law very seriously. Our work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that our activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the Secretary of State, the Interception and Intelligence Services Commissioners and the Intelligence and Security Committee.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/10107059/British-Intelligence-watchdog-flies-to-Washington-to-demand-answers-on-snooping-scandal.html
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Fuck Obama... He is taking the Orwellian state to a new level.
It's about time someone showed him the door.
Now, if only the Republicans run a worthy candidate...
If Obama was deemed "worthy", why wouldn't any Republican be "worthy"?
I mean, what the hell? At this point, NO ONE, I mean NO ONE could do a worse job than the current idiot in chief.
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The US intelligence services have been listening in on telecommunications for 80 years.
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I think the position that the Government has taken as a whole – and the position of our esteemed (and I use the term sarcastically) President and individual lawmakers have taken – is ludicrous.
Of course, this is hardly anything new. But for a President who complained about the record of the previous administration in connection with civil liberties, it's a disappointment.
Even if Obama was bringing "change [we] can believe in" I guess the old maxim is true: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Bleh... politicians. I am sick of this bullshit. All those assholes do is yell "in order to defend the Constitution, which we hold dear, we must first rape it, then shit on it, then rape it some more. But it's ok, because we're doing all this with love. You want safety, don't you? Well, then applaud us while we rape it!"
It's a pity that we are already too far down a one-way street.
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If Obama was deemed "worthy", why wouldn't any Republican be "worthy"?
I mean, what the hell? At this point, NO ONE, I mean NO ONE could do a worse job than the current idiot in chief.
I can't say that. I still think W was worse. That's just my opinion of course.
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So much for change.
Looks like the same shit to me.
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I think the position that the Government has taken as a whole – and the position of our esteemed (and I use the term sarcastically) President and individual lawmakers have taken – is ludicrous.
Of course, this is hardly anything new. But for a President who complained about the record of the previous administration in connection with civil liberties, it's a disappointment.
Even if Obama was bringing "change [we] can believe in" I guess the old maxim is true: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Bleh... politicians. I am sick of this bullshit. All those assholes do is yell "in order to defend the Constitution, which we hold dear, we must first rape it, then shit on it, then rape it some more. But it's ok, because we're doing all this with love. You want safety, don't you? Well, then applaud us while we rape it!"
It's a pity that we are already too far down a one-way street.
Hear hear
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Laughing my MOTHER FUCKING ASS OFF....LMMFAO!!!
where are all those fundy libtards who bashed bush and rallied behind obama???
come on now, we want to see your silly faces!!!
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Laughing my MOTHER FUCKING ASS OFF....LMMFAO!!!
where are all those fundy libtards who bashed bush and rallied behind obama???
come on now, we want to see your silly faces!!!
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I was one of those libtards lol... But seriously, We watched Bush do and say this same shit and now we have Obama acting like Bush and to make it even worse, Obama saying he wouldn't do this shit and now he is! LOLOLOL.... yea, it looks pretty bad.
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I was one of those libtards lol... But seriously, We watched Bush do and say this same shit and now we have Obama acting like Bush and to make it even worse, Obama saying he wouldn't do this shit and now he is! LOLOLOL.... yea, it looks pretty bad.
And when obama is questioned he dismisses any cocerns. You name that scandal or treason and its same shit wiyh obama - deny deflect blame others and dismiss it.
He needs to resign.
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And when obama is questioned he dismisses any cocerns. You name that scandal or treason and its same shit wiyh obama - deny deflect blame others and dismiss it.
He needs to resign.
The only thing I will say for sure is that he is not remotely close to the person he reflected himself to be during the election. Unfortunately I kinda figure that will be the norm for the next election of douchebags too.
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The only thing I will say for sure is that he is not remotely close to the person he reflected himself to be during the election. Unfortunately I kinda figure that will be the norm for the next election too.
Some of us knew he was putting on an act all along and were called racist haters ct whack jobs etc.
Obama HAS ALWAYS ben this way.
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I was one of those libtards lol... But seriously, We watched Bush do and say this same shit and now we have Obama acting like Bush and to make it even worse, Obama saying he wouldn't do this shit and now he is! LOLOLOL.... yea, it looks pretty bad.
Agreed. He lied about this and it's not something people should forget.
Why people do not go looking at someone outside of the norm is beyond me.
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Sucks, but I wouldn't worry so much about Obama but the people around him - after all he's just a slick speaker which knows how to rub it in. The various minions will be around after he's gone.
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Some of us knew he was putting on an act all along and were called racist haters ct whack jobs etc.
Obama HAS ALWAYS ben this way.
That's because some of you didn't focus on the merits when challenging Obama. You brought those labels on yourselves by your behavior.
Instead of challenging Obama on his policies you challenged him on his birth certificate. You lost.
Instead of challenging Obama on his failures during his first term you challenged him on his race. You lost.
In every fight when given the chance you never challenged the policies and never offered solutions; you just yelled "Obama!!!" the same way Kirk yelled "Khan!!!" And that is why you lost. That is why Obama was re-elected.
And what's worse is that I think some of you didn't learn your lesson yet... As a matter of fact, I think that some of you are incapable of learning it. And that's just sad.
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Like what? We screamed about the stim bill, obamacare, the corruption, etc and got the same exact reaction to anything ever said against Obama
That's because some of you didn't focus on the merits when challenging Obama. Yiu brought those labels on yourselves by your behavior.
Instead of challenging Obama on his policies you challenged him on his birth certificate. You lost.
Instead of challenging Obama on his failures during his first term you challenged him on his race. You lost.
In every fight when given the chance you never challenged the policies. In every fight you never offered solutions; you just yelled "Obama!!!" the same way Kirk yelled "Khan!!!" And that is why Obama was re-elected.
And what's worse is that I think some of you didn't learn your lesson yet... As a matter of fact, I think that some of you are incapable of learning it. And that's just sad.
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Like what? We screamed about the stim bill, obamacare, the corruption, etc and got the same exact reaction to anything ever said against Obama
I'm sorry... you really believe that yelling "socialism!!!" qualifies as making an argument? You screamed alright - but said nothing.
You're a prime example - look at how many posts you have on here. You've screamed louder than anyone. And what have you said? There's less substance in your posts than there's alcohol in alcohol-free beer.
I expected a lawyer to know that it's not about how much you say or how loud you say it; it's about what you say. But that may be asking a bit much...
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I'm sorry... you really believe that yelling "socialism!!!" qualifies as making an argument? You screamed alright - but said nothing.
You're a prime example - look at how many posts you have on here. You've screamed louder than anyone. And what have you said? There's less substance in your posts than there's alcohol in alcohol-free beer.
I expected a lawyer to know that it's not about how much you say or how loud you say it; it's about what you say. But that may be asking a bit much...
Let me ask you a question - serious- what else could have been said that WAS NOT said? The fact is that no matter what we said - the CULT of Obama refused to listen to anything
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Let me ask you a question - serious- what else could have been said that WAS NOT said? The fact is that no matter what we said - the CULT of Obama refused to listen to anything
That is certainly true - the partisan die-hards and the Obama-bots wouldn't listen to reason. It's the nature of partisan die-hards on either side.
The problem is that the antics we saw against Obama left a sour taste in the mouths of independent voters, who saw the nonsense being spouted by those who screamed loudest and said the most outrageous things. And they laughed and shook their heads and wondered "what the fuck is wrong with these people?!?"
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That is certainly true - the partisan die-hards and the Obama-bots wouldn't listen to reason. It's the nature of partisan die-hards on either side.
The problem is that the antics we saw against Obama left a sour taste in the mouths of independent voters, who saw the nonsense being spouted by those who screamed loudest and said the most outrageous things. And they laughed and shook their heads and wondered "what the fuck is wrong with these people?!?"
In retrospect - other than the BC - what was nonsense? Ayeres? The non-record? The always voting "present"?, the associations w radicals?
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In retrospect - other than the BC - what was nonsense? Ayeres? The non-record? The always voting "present"?, the associations w radicals?
In the last election? It was the lack of any substantive criticism combined with the silly and poorly thought-out attacks against Obamacare, the nonsense about his eligibility vis-à-vis his birthplace, the blind terror of screams that said little more than "socialism!" and "communism!" and even the extreme focus on his associations was eventually negative, as was the extreme focus on Jeremiah Wright and the insistence of mentioning Saul Alinsky.
Note that not all of those things are, necessarily, nonsense. It's just that they were not used properly. Watching the GOP - between the campaigns, the GOP itself and the media, fuck the 2012 elections up was like watching the Titanic sink in that horrible James Cameron movie. You knew it was going down, the only question was how long you'd have to be subjected to it.
Couple that with the entire field of Republicans (with the sole exception of Ron Paul) and it's clear why Obama got re-elected. Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry and Herman Cain. Are we fucking joking? That's the best the GOP can muster?
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Couple that with the entire field of Republicans (with the sole exception of Ron Paul) and it's clear why Obama got re-elected. Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry and Herman Cain. Are we fucking joking? That's the best the GOP can muster?
You forgot Rick Santorum..
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Wow, yes. I did forget Rick Santorum. I think it's because I just really want to forget that a human being like Rick Santorum is possible.