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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TK on August 05, 2013, 12:54:58 PM
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A leading sports supplement retailer is the latest to suspend sales of the pre-workout powder Craze in the wake of a USA TODAY investigation of the product's maker.
Bodybuilding.com general counsel Bill Carter said Monday the online retailer pulled Craze out of its supplement store late Friday while it seeks further testing of the product. The popular website also has removed Craze from its list of nominees for 2013 Pre-Workout Supplement of the Year.
"The main message is there are too many questions and my view on this is the responsible thing is to investigate it and hold off on sales until we get a definitive answer," Carter said.
Tests by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, a government affiliated forensic lab in Sweden, as well as by a lab hired by an industry competitor have detected amphetamine-like compounds in samples of Craze. Driven Sports, the company that sells Craze, has adamantly denied that its product contains amphetamines and has posted on its website test results from an outside lab that it says offer definitive proof the product is clean.
The actions by Bodybuilding.com are the latest in the wake of a USA TODAY investigation of the product's maker, Matt Cahill, which revealed he has a history of putting risky products on the market. Cahill and his attorney, Aaron Goldsmith, did not immediately respond to an e-mail Monday. Cahill has repeatedly declined interview requests. His company, Driven Sports, has posted a statement on its website saying it is "disappointed" in USA TODAY's reporting and that Craze is a safe and legal supplement.
Walmart.com suspended sales of Craze on July 25 and last week Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., repeatedly cited USA TODAY's investigation in announcing his reintroduction of a bill to strengthen oversight of supplements, including requiring products be registered with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
GNC and other online retailers, including Amazon.com, continue to sell Craze. "With third-party products, GNC is simply the retailer and, like all retailers, relies upon the representations and contractual warranties made by the vendor that the products are safe and compliant with all applicable laws and regulations," GNC said in a recent statement to USA TODAY. Amazon did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
Carter said it may take several weeks before Bodybuilding.com can have an independent lab conduct additional tests on Craze, as well as further evaluate the methodology used by a lab hired by Cahill and another lab hired by an industry competitor that have reached differing conclusions about whether Craze contains amphetamine-like substances.
"We're not discontinuing the product," Carter said, adding that Bodybuilding.com is not returning any of the product it still has in its warehouses, while it awaits test results. "We're just simply, as a precaution, making sure these tests are done properly."
However Craze is now out of the running for the website's supplement awards, Carter said. "In response to the initial article in USA TODAY, our folks withdrew Craze from contention for the supplement awards this year," he said. By the time the retailer completes its testing, it will be too late for Craze to be put back into contention, he said. Last year Craze won the website's title of 2012 New Supplement of the Year, based on votes by website users, and was in the running in the pre-workout category this year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/bodybuilding-site-suspends-sales-of-sports-supplement-craze/2618967/
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http://www.sshealthfoods.com/pages.php?page=lt.misc&mprd=Driven+Sports&cat=&wh=Search+by+word
Still available in the UK.
No pussies over here.
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::) now what are all the bb junkies going to turn to?
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::) now what are all the bb junkies going to turn to?
B-b-b-b-but it's natural. ::)
I hate all those little bitches on bb.com worrying about their natural status, especially when 90% aren't even competing. Just a bunch of convoluted and confused virgins who don't know what's really important in life. They spend their thousands of dollars on supplements which make such a marginal difference. Buy a bottle of dbol and they'll see their years worth of "gains" trumped by a few weeks of an oral cycle.
No more pro hormones fully fledged legal steroids and no more designer speed. Oh no, guess they'll have to use conventional PEDs like the rest of us.
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GNC just started carrying it.. I doubt it's done. They were the first to pull Jak3d.. and management heard about the intent to pull long before they did, and they've heard nothing about pulling Craze.
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GNC just started carrying it.. I doubt it's done. They were the first to pull Jak3d.. and management heard about the intent to pull long before they did, and they've heard nothing about pulling Craze.
It is done... just wait a few weeks. DS will be no more and Cahill in deep shit.
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http://www.sshealthfoods.com/pages.php?page=lt.misc&mprd=Driven+Sports&cat=&wh=Search+by+word
Still available in the UK.
No pussies over here.
Yeah but it probably won't be long before they do - they pulled Jack3d a while ago due to the same scare stories. Our gym still sells it though ;)
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so how does this craze compare to 50mg of ephedra and 200mg of caffeine pre-workout.
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Done.
It will be slow, but Bodybuilding.com is pulling it, Walmart pulled it from their site, the others will too probably after a while. This isn't even like the ephedrine and prohormone things where the blame is spread across a few companies. This is one giant finger composed of many parts pointing right a Driven Sports saying "you're fucking up", that's bad news.
If I were them, I'd blow out the product cheaply, like the prohormone sellers sometimes do, and call it a day.
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DS is notorious, man. But bless the old DS from bringing Superdrol to the market. First steroid I ever took and damn near wrecked my insides. But holy shit do I ever love it. Bought my first bottle right from bb.com. I'm still natty, right? 8)
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Recently more rumors regarding Craze® have surfaced, stemming from some sensationalist reporting and allegation by competitors. The report is based on what Driven Sports feels to be inadequate and insufficient testing by a laboratory that claims to have found the compound n, alpha diethylphenylethylamine in Craze®. This sort of report can be alarming to customers, and is a matter Driven Sports takes very seriously. We place the safety of our products and the health of our customers above all else.
Because of this, and the attempts of competitors to further sour the brand’s reputation, Driven Sports has made great efforts to ensure that Craze® is safe and effective.
http://getds.com/20130614381/Blog/further-proof-that-crazer-does-not-contain-amphetamines
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Fuck these devil cocksuckers. Im so sick of legislation havibg their corporate run brown noses up in one of the last free markets we have left.
Gynna try to get all supplements REGISTERED with the fda? The fuck
If that ever happens say goodbye to supplements as we know them you will need a prescription for alm the ones worth taking need I mention the 4000% price markup
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Is Bob Chick involved in this?
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Recently more rumors regarding Craze® have surfaced, stemming from some sensationalist reporting and allegation by competitors. The report is based on what Driven Sports feels to be inadequate and insufficient testing by a laboratory that claims to have found the compound n, alpha diethylphenylethylamine in Craze®. This sort of report can be alarming to customers, and is a matter Driven Sports takes very seriously. We place the safety of our products and the health of our customers above all else.
Because of this, and the attempts of competitors to further sour the brand’s reputation, Driven Sports has made great efforts to ensure that Craze® is safe and effective.
http://getds.com/20130614381/Blog/further-proof-that-crazer-does-not-contain-amphetamines
Trying to buy time, hoping it will all blow over. Not going to happen.
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Trying to buy time, hoping it will all blow over. Not going to happen.
It's a game of cat and mouse. Find a novel compound, source it from a dirty warehouse in China, open up a shell company and setup some SKUs and pump it out until it gets scheduled. This time it looks like they're in a bit more hot water than usual, so it'll be interesting to see how it'll play out.
One day the supplement industry bubble will crash and regulations will be imposed. I used to fear that day, but now that I see there's no worthwhile supplements out there I couldn't give a shit. Make it so they're federally regulated and shut them down. It's all garbage anyway. It's either useless and overpriced or harmful and overpriced.
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i'm glad. they can keep this dangerous poison off the shelves so we can keep our kids on zyrtec, adderall, seroquel, abilify, and prozac.
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i'm glad. they can keep this dangerous poison off the shelves so we can keep our kids on zyrtec, adderall, seroquel, abilify, and prozac.
I think all drugs should be legal, heroin, crack, LSD, everything. The problem I have with these "supplements" is that the actives are not listed on the label! Kids are ingesting "bath salts" thinking they are using healthy products sice they are legal and can be purchased at GNC.
If I could get Adderall via script I'd probably try it at least. I can't, but I can buy an untested amp analogue which might be MORE neurotoxic than the common amphetamines.
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Best advertising the company could ever get. Never heard of the stuff until this story broke.
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I think all drugs should be legal, heroin, crack, LSD, everything. The problem I have with these "supplements" is that the actives are not listed on the label! Kids are ingesting "bath salts" thinking they are using healthy products sice they are legal and can be purchased at GNC.
If I could get Adderall via script I'd probably try it at least. I can't, but I can buy an untested amp analogue which might be MORE neurotoxic than the common amphetamines.
Yes, that is my problem with it as well. The ingredient wasn't even a loosely guarded secret like with prohormones, where it's out on the internet in days or many already know it's just something plucked from Vida's book. The Craze formula was more or less an unknown. I'm not against that they made it available for sale, but that they didn't even give you a wink and a nod that it was such an oddball serious drug.
And if I was in the supplement business, I'd be giving Driven Sports the what for's too. This is going to be a thorn in the side of the industry for a while.
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::) now what are all the bb junkies going to turn to?
Try SMASH by Millenium Bio Science... Pretty strong shit, and cheap too..
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A media weasel named Alison Young sent me a PM over at BB.com asking for an interview about it. I bought five tubs because I knew it was just a matter of time.
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A media weasel named Alison Young sent me a PM over at BB.com asking for an interview about it. I bought five tubs because I knew it was just a matter of time.
Purge, regardless of what you think of the players in this saga, do you believe Craze contained/contains the alleged compound, the "ETH"? And if you think it does, do you think it was an ethical thing to do?
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"Bad publicity is better than NO publicity" :-X
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What is this craP?
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What is this craP?
x2...never herad of it.
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x2...never herad of it.
you posted a while ago you couldn't sleep when you took it
brutal short term memory loss due to losing heat through top of head
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you posted a while ago you couldn't sleep when you took it
brutal short term memory loss due to losing heat through top of head
Was it Craze ??? :-\
...I meant all crap like that
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Was it Craze ??? :-\
...I meant all crap like that
yes it was
I suggest you research Alzheimer's on the tinternetz
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tinternetz
;D
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Purge, regardless of what you think of the players in this saga, do you believe Craze contained/contains the alleged compound, the "ETH"? And if you think it does, do you think it was an ethical thing to do?
From what I've read, some samples had ETH in them and some didn't. That should raise eyebrows.
If Cahill spiked his products, then he should expect repercussions. But even then, our all-knowing government voted to loosen regulations on dietary supplements, which makes fiascos like this more likely.
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These guys seem like they just go through Vida and see if any Chinese warehouses can synthesis the steroid cheaply. Same with the amphetamines. They go for orphan or abandoned drugs that aren't federally restricted and pump them out until they get clamped down on. I'll admit that I've purchased some of these supplements and that they do work okay, but it's a bit too sketchy and conventional drugs work better and have some information available on them.
I think DS and Cahill should be made an example of this time around. They've pushed the bill and should have the book thrown at them.
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Sawdust.
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These guys seem like they just go through Vida and see if any Chinese warehouses can synthesis the steroid cheaply. Same with the amphetamines. They go for orphan or abandoned drugs that aren't federally restricted and pump them out until they get clamped down on. I'll admit that I've purchased some of these supplements and that they do work okay, but it's a bit too sketchy and conventional drugs work better and have some information available on them.
I think DS and Cahill should be made an example of this time around. They've pushed the bill and should have the book thrown at them.
If the product is conclusively proven to contain this specific ingredient look for DS to put blame on someone else, a Chinese source or whatever. But Cahill was very sneaky, he included an ingredient on the label with the exact same molecular weight as the "ETH", to fool testers if they suspected shenanigans. Now here it gets interesting, the product does NOT contain this other labeled ingredient at all!
So, we have one undeclared ingredient, one that likely falls under the analogue act.
Does not contain a declared ingredient.
And there's more. I have seen experts say Dendrobium doesn't contain any of the phenethylamines that the label lists as being extracted from the plant.
I bet there's no plant material in the product at all. It's just a "bath salt" type of concoction of all synthetic compounds. So it's no mistake on anyone's part that the ETH ended up in the product, all very much planned.
Apparently Gaspari sourced the "dendrobium" from DS/Cahill for their Detonate product, so they may be in trouble as well.
This Ron Cramer dude who has a major hard on for Gaspari says Gaspari's Plasmajet product contained a Viagra analogue. Despite the personal vendetta, I bet he's right. I told a friend who has used the Plasmajet about this and he goes, "well, a lot of guys tell me they use Plasmajet before fucking". :D What a bunch of scumbags.
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If the product is conclusively proven to contain this specific ingredient look for DS to put blame on someone else, a Chinese source or whatever. But Cahill was very sneaky, he included an ingredient on the label with the exact same molecular weight as the "ETH", to fool testers if they suspected shenanigans. Now here it gets interesting, the product does NOT contain this other labeled ingredient at all!
So, we have one undeclared ingredient, one that likely falls under the analogue act.
Does not contain a declared ingredient.
And there's more. I have seen experts say Dendrobium doesn't contain any of the phenethylamines that the label lists as being extracted from the plant.
I bet there's no plant material in the product at all. It's just a "bath salt" type of concoction of all synthetic compounds. So it's no mistake on anyone's part that the ETH ended up in the product, all very much planned.
Apparently Gaspari sourced the "dendrobium" from DS/Cahill for their Detonate product, so they may be in trouble as well.
This Ron Cramer dude who has a major hard on for Gaspari says Gaspari's Plasmajet product contained a Viagra analogue. Despite the personal vendetta, I bet he's right. I told a friend who has used the Plasmajet about this and he goes, "well, a lot of guys tell me they use Plasmajet before fucking". :D What a bunch of scumbags.
I wouldn't doubt that different batches has undeclared ingredients whether it's unbeknownst or not. He's gotten sloppy in my opinion and probably knew this day would come. Will probably try blaming the supplier.
Ron Cramer is a fucking ass but I think Plasmajet had something funky in it too. I'd get rock hard erections and powerful headaches from it just like when I've taken Viagra. Speaking of erections, does he still have one over Rich and Gaspari Nutrition? All those knuckleheads used to duke it out over at bb.com years ago.
I remember seeing the box and thinking it looked like Jins so I bought i. I kept the Plasmajet boxes and used to stash my gear in them after I realized supplements were shit. ;D