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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Craig Titus & Kelly Ryan Discussions => Topic started by: lucky99luke on December 25, 2005, 07:24:57 PM
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Taken from a Muscular Development Mag November 1994
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I never even knew he had a daughter. This is terrible news for her
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Well his new woman is going to look more like this
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I never even knew he had a daughter. This is terrible news for her
Are you serious? Craig has summer kids all over this country. Ya know, some are here some are there..... :o
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lol oh sure
dude was a proverbial sexual pied piper
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Lizzie Borden would be his ultimate woman..
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Lizzie Borden would be his ultimate woman..
um lizzie borden, dick cheney, alec baldwin, william Tecumseh sherman and Ulysses grant are all cousins of mine but i feel closest to lizzie Borden :)
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Are you serious? Craig has summer kids all over this country. Ya know, some are here some are there..... :o
gosh, that means crime will never end
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I never even knew he had a daughter. This is terrible news for her
she died a long time ago. anyways, how good a father you think craig would have been anyway. ok, so he's not involved in this murder case, but now the girl's daddy is notorious for using every drug and selling drugs, and even sometimes sells counterfits of drugs. how nice.
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If we aborted all of Craig Titus's babies..... we could reduce crime in this country.
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If we aborted all of Craig Titus's babies..... we could reduce crime in this country.
that's what I said.. The crime never ends
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she died a long time ago. Wrong.....he has a teenage daughter that lives in Houston.
anyways, how good a father you think craig would have been anyway. ok, so he's not involved in this murder case, but now the girl's daddy is notorious for using every drug and selling drugs, and even sometimes sells counterfits of drugs. how nice.
Ok...well, I can't argue with you here.
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Well his new woman is going to look more like this
Or this --
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well we all fall in love
but we disregard the danger
though we share so many secrets
there are some we never tell
why were you so surprised that you never saw the stranger
that you never let your lover see the stranger in yourself
don't be afraid to try again
everyone goes south
every now and then
you've done it
why can't someone else
you should know by now
you've been there yourself
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once i used to believe i was such a great romancer
then i came home to a woman
that i could not recognize
when i pressed her for a reason
she refused to even answer
it was then i felt the stranger kick me right between the eyes
don't be afraid to try again
everyone goes south
every now and then
you've done it
why can't someone else
you should know by now
you've been there yourself
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once i used to believe i was such a great romancer
then i came home to a woman
that i could not recognize
when i pressed her for a reason
she refused to even answer
it was then i felt the stranger kick me right between the eyes
don't be afraid to try again
everyone goes south
every now and then
you've done it
why can't someone else
you should know by now
you've been there yourself
Is that Juvenile??
You's a big fine woman girl back that azz up!!! :)
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Billy Joel
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she died a long time ago. anyways, how good a father you think craig would have been anyway. ok, so he's not involved in this murder case, but now the girl's daddy is notorious for using every drug and selling drugs, and even sometimes sells counterfits of drugs. how nice.
She did not die a long time ago. Craig had twins - a boy and a girl. His son died but his daughter is still alive.
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She did not die a long time ago. Craig had twins - a boy and a girl. His son died but his daughter is still alive.
Craig has a daughter?
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what happened to his son?
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Craig has a daughter?
yep. I'm keeping her out of the coverage, as she's not involved in any way, and must be having a horrible holiday season.
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yep. I'm keeping her out of the coverage, as she's not involved in any way, and must be having a horrible holiday season.
Well....if this is true....
that would be good.
She's not involved & does not need to be brought into this crap.
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I actually spoke to Kelly for the first time in 5 years after a very volatile, ugly feud ruined our friendship... all of our friendships - mine and hers and mine and Craig's. I interviewed her for a mag last March and it was nice to perfunctorily check in and catch up. She seemed to be doing well, and though we were never in contact after that, nor either seeking mutual rekindled friendship, I was happy to have had a positive contact with her in contrast to the horrid exchanges that went on between her, myself and Craig back in 1999 and 2000. We were all accountable for that, and I can only speak for my own part in things on this earth.
She did mention though, at the time, that Craig's teenage daughter was living with them, and commented on how "odd" it was to be a stepmother. But she said they were all getting along and were kind of settling into a domesticity that sounded new and different for them. I felt that they were on the right track, but from what I have read, that wasn't so, and wasn't to be.
I know you'll all tell me I'm a sap, and probably won't understand, but I have to say, I am finding the knowledge of all of this both surreal and very, very hard to take. Everything... From the description of the body being bound and gagged, the charred remains, the fact that something obviously went terribly wrong, the utter panic and nightmare of realizing that your only hope is to cover your tracks - right or wrong - and the mental pictures all of that conjures...and knowing that I once knew people really well who were involved in this kind of sick and sad violence. Imaginging the girl suffering or the surprise of being strangled by someone...shocked in those last moments that your life is fleeting by the second and that it's likely going to end at the hands of someone who, in their right mind, would never do this. That someone is this angry...to end a life. Ugh.
Also, as I said in another string, I really feel very badly to have seen one of these lives completely unravel. Craig always had somewhat of a sketchy, street-y, kind of countenance and existence. He accepted himself as this, and still had a lot of charm, took his licks for his actions, and seemed to still be able to perambulate through life fairly well, not terribly affected by his life's mistakes - he just seemed to pick himself up, dust himself off and survive once again....though he was notoriously addicted to controversy and seemed to pull it in like some kind of magnetic forcefield or, I don't know what...
Anyway, I always knew she was far too fragile and wounded, to be with someone like Craig. Yet, their attraction was immediate and like some kind of weird surreal spark and ignition. No one could convince either that they were not going to be good together - they were hellbent. Most people's ability to listen to contstrutive advice from family and friends is hampered with this kind of chemistry. I believe it's a one in a billion kind of chemistry and not good. How these two found one another and created this is unimaginable. The odds....
Sadly though, she had endured jolts to her self-esteem in her life, and was vulnerable to just this kind of advance. (Who back in high school would be able to fathom or believe someone telling them, "Guard your self esteem because otherwise, one day, you'll take up with a man, and things are going to go terribly awry. You'll end up buying gas to burn and hide a woman's body - a woman your husband will have had an affair with - and you will be charged with murder and spend the rest of your adult life in prison!") No one would be able to comprehend this. Certainly not the little girl with gymnastic dreams and Olympic goals.
Very sad is the fact that Kelly really always wanted to be sexy, and felt herself just cute. This bothered her a great deal, I know, and she was really crestfallen about it. It was something she was internally focused on so much that it guided her actions. Ironically, no one else necessarily saw her this way, but she did. So disappointed with this was Kelly that she actually let someone tell her she wasn't good enough and needed to make changes to be "pretty", truly "Sexy" and marketable. I know she would claim that the changes surgery made on her face were her choice, and were good ones; and maybe at first they were. It's a personal choice and I'm not knocking surgery here or making judgments. However, to do it for anything but your own reasons... to get love and acceptance from someone else, is just serving the wrong master. I'm so sick over this. This whole series of events is over this.
Guard your issues, people. Guard them and then get to the bottom of them before someone or something (a chain of events) opportunistic figures them out and gets to you first! That kind of vulnerability is a true bitch.
I also really believe that while we all explore our sexuality throughout life, I don't believe that Kelly would have chosen the sexual life the two were alleged to have had if she knew before, and believed, that she actually deserved someone who respected her and that she didn't need to trade threesomes for love and affection and acceptance. I am very sad about that... for her. Not because I'm a prude or have never been adventurous, but intention and reason is everything. No one is going to be happy for long with a spouse who insists they engage in this kind of stuff. No swingers are ever fully "on the same page" nor want it in exactly the same measure as the other. Believe that! This was another sad case of that.
I KNOW it tore her up inside, despite appearing to go along and like it, etc... (willingly, I realize, with open eyes as an adult with choices). I'll bet she'd have traded anything she had to just hear, "You know what? You're enough woman for me. I don't need this stuff." and be able to actually accept it herself. But no matter what, I also know she'd have had issues ongoing even with someone loving - she had someone like that before Craig. He soon became boring for her, because she so wanted the "dangerous type" and "excitement" and someone really hot to love her and choose ONLY her, because she needed to hear, "You're sexy...you're the prettiest woman on earth and I'd choose you over the more amazing Maxim pin-up girl on earth" etc. from someone who actually COULD have the prettiest woman on earth.
I dunno... I'm sure I'm going to be brutally roasted on this board, and that's ok. I have to admit, this has been truly disruptive to my emotions, sleep and memories of times past. I'm really having a tough time with all of this. I really am. Who'd have thunk it? I hope that justice prevails, but I also hope that she soon finds safety, comfort, the love of her family, and the support of friends. I say that after, as I said, a terribly ugly feud and much bile exchanged back in the day. And I've shed a lot of tears just thinking how much hell people can be in when alone in a cell with nothing but their conscience, a heavy heart and a sea of troubles. That is the ultimate in "Alone".
If you two manage to catch a break or it's shown that you are not guilty, remember this as one of life's closest calls. Get help, part ways, and remember that your family and friends are your greatest mirrors in life! Even if you don't make it out of this... your family and friends are everything, and you can still find happiness... just differently than you'd ever planned. I know this to be true.
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But no matter what, I also know she'd have had issues ongoing even with someone loving - she had someone like that before Craig. He soon became boring for her, because she so wanted the "dangerous type" and "excitement" and someone really hot to love her and choose ONLY her, because she needed to hear, "You're sexy...you're the prettiest woman on earth and I'd choose you over the more amazing Maxim pin-up girl on earth" etc. from someone who actually COULD have the prettiest woman on earth.
You the former boyfriend?
No one writes a novel like this unless he has something invested.
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You the former boyfriend?
No one writes a novel like this unless he has something invested.
thinking the same thing
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shockandawe
i understand what you are saying because I am thinking the same thing.
it's hard when you have known 2 people for 10 years to see this whole thing coming to a head like some sort of slow motion car wreck
even though kelly wasn't 100% innocent and she is an adult who made her own choices...i think (up til now) her biggest mistake was being too loyal to Craig...even when everyone was telling her he was trouble.
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That is exactly correct. I can look past someone hating me or a friendship gone sour, and objectively admit that someone is NOT a bad person, just chose the wrong path, etc..
And no, actually, I'm not the old boyfriend... I'm a very old friend - someone who used to hang out with both, before either was together. I actually hung out with them together only once or twice because he immediately isolated her from all her friends and acquaintances who tried to help her see that he wasn't a good "romantic choice".
Am I glad I am not in their lives, and haven't been for years now? Yes. But as I said, it was nice to have put all of that stuff aside and had ONE pleasant exchange this past Spring. I could move on completely, from all of the past ugliness the three of us shared as a result of all of us being stubborn and self-righteous. I guess I wrote such a novel because it has truly been weighing on me and I have lost sleep and have felt sadness over it. That's as honest as I can tell it...
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I have been thinking alot about the past myself and remembering the good times in the beginning including simple things like movies, etc....
but as you say...things went sour fast after Craig entered the picture and there wasn't much to be done about it....
I think all we ever thought would happen at first would be bad business deals and some typical wildness...but then it just got way out of hand..and now this...
but yeah...sadness is the overwhelming feeling for sure...as much I used to poke jabs at Craig in the past...this whole thing has gone to the level beyond too much laughing or joking...especially for those people who ever called them their friends