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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: lifterpuller on September 22, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
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I've been a long time member of the bodybuilding committee and just wanted to pass on some knowledge to the youngsters of this board.
The absolutely number 1 essential component to becoming not only lean, but muscular, full, and hard bodybuilder is TRENBOLONE.
No other AAS can replace it, it is simply the best for developing the physique that is desired by pretty much everyone.
The acetate ester is the most effective, followed by tren-hex (parabolan) and then tren-enanthate.
When injected everyday tren-acetate(ace) will produce FAST changes, like we're talking days not months. Trenbolone is such a potent AAS that many will get excellent results at doses as low as 50mg EOD but the higher dose you go the better your results will be. Your typical bodybuilder with some decent experience can generally handle 100mg ED and this is the dose that will produce almost daily changes in an already lean physique. The more experienced you are the more you can run without getting too much negative side effects, doses of 300mg/day are not un-common among competitive bodybuilders.
Trenbolone without a doubt will increase your metabolic rate and burn fat, while at the same time producing an anabolic response in your body and cause you to gain muscle at the same time. The scale may stay the same but you will look bigger AND leaner each and every day you are on the hormone. Tren also will result in HUGE increases in strength even on a calorie deficit, for most guys they can lose 3-4% BF and add 50lbs to their 1RM's at the same time!
Of course with the good comes the bad, tren can have several sides such as insomnia, increased paranoia and aggression, night sweats as well as a post-injection cough. However compared to the amazing muscle building/retaining, strength, and fat loss properties of this compound the sides are almost negligible.
Once again, Trenbolone is the MOST important AAS in the arsenal of any bodybuilder and don't expect to step on stage and place anywhere near top without it in your blood.
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Jason Blaha?
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Wrong.
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groink loves it
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First post of peace.
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Without a doubt tren is number 1, the conditioning it brings is exactly what the fake naturals love about it. Combine it with GH and you have that perfect fitness model "natural" look.
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Wrong.
Care to elaborate?
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disgusted is a giant, you are a cockroach, metaphoricaly speaking,
some newcomer asking disgusted to "please elaboraote" as if you knew better, haha,this is hillarious.
are you sure about that, lets see pictures, surely you have done that and achieved that look ::)
look to matt ogus, jeff seid, or any of those guys if you want to see the look.........
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Care to elaborate?
Anytime someone says that there is a certain drug that one MUST use to succeed at bodybuilding is showing their naivety when it comes to BBing and competition. There are plenty of drugs that will build size and conditioning is achieved through diet and peaking correctly is what wins shows.
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Anytime someone says that there is a certain drug that one MUST use to succeed at bodybuilding is showing their naivety when it comes to BBing and competition. There are plenty of drugs that will build size and conditioning is achieved through diet and peaking correctly is what wins shows.
bodybuilding sport doesnt exist these days with trenbolone in blood. tren is only drug thats make you gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.
pros cant take the risk losing muscle while dieting to a show.
whar about the other benefits, feeling superior, confidence, the face change nd mean look that makes chicks get wet for ur cock.
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Hi GH15.
Isn't it funny how low post count new comers are always backing each other up. Who woulda thought?
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Did you know I joined getbig because of you GH15? Before I knew better. Yeah true story
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Jason Blaha?
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Message of the day: Buy lifterpuller trenbolone otherwise you will not be mr. Olympia. ::)
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tren cannot be replaced, period.
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You said you give blowjobs for EQ in another thread lmao. GH15 you've been exposed.
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tren is only drug thats make you gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.
This, is just not true. There are plenty of AAS types that can do this. Heck, even testosterone has been shown to increase lean mass while decreasing fat tissue in controlled studies...
Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1958561)is some reading material for you...
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Trenbolone is a great compound however it won't allow you to bypass the laws of thermogenesis.
I was able to pack on body fat using doses at up to 1g/week simply by eating a hypercaloric diet.
Can it increase your TDEE? Possibly in small amounts...but, it isn't magic. If you construct a solid diet and training plan then it can definitely assist with your bodybuilding goals however...
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How anyone can deny trenbolone being the number one drug used constantly by not only physique competitors and "fake nattys", but also the current high level bodybuilding is beyond me. There is not a single other drug (hgh excluded) that will make you build muscle, and lose fat, while increasing strength, and vascularity, like tren will.
Tren dosed high in contest prep is a must for anyone serious about bodybuilding.
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This, is just not true. There are plenty of AAS types that can do this. Heck, even testosterone has been shown to increase lean mass while decreasing fat tissue in controlled studies...
Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1958561)is some reading material for you...
I will re-quote this since apparently mrbaggins didn't read my post where I address this belief that only trenbolone will burn fat and build lean mass as being fallacious...
Pay special attention to the attached study data.
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Believe me when I say that my chef is as good as they come.
Trust me when I say that I don't believe you for one second when you claim it is "impossible for you to get fat" when using trenbolone.
I am very analytical with my data analysis and know exactly what my caloric threshold is. In fact, I did experiments to determine how much trenbolone actually increased my TDEE (hint: it isn't much). I've done experiments on myself using varying dietary configurations, testing things such as "does tren really blunt de novo lipogenesis" (hint: it doesn't). I am very lean so even small amounts of adipose tissue are going to be noticeable on me...
I could go on and on however the bottom line is trenbolone will not allow you to overcome the laws of thermogenesis. Anyone who says that it will is selling wolf tickets...
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Believe me when I say that my chef is as good as they come.
Trust me when I say that I don't believe you for one second when you claim it is "impossible for you to get fat" when using trenbolone.
I am very analytical with my data analysis and know exactly what my caloric threshold is. In fact, I did experiments to determine how much trenbolone actually increased my TDEE (hint: it isn't much). I've done experiments on myself using varying dietary configurations, testing things such as "does tren really blunt de novo lipogenesis". I am very lean so even small amounts of adipose tissue are going to be noticeable on me...
I could go on and on however the bottom line is trenbolone will not allow you to overcome the laws of thermogenesis. Anyone who says that it will is selling wolf tickets...
Tren be the bomb I do gay 4 pay for to stock up on my tren! suck dick fuck guys and dykes as long as get my Tren I am cool with getting dirty
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Stop talking to yourself it's retarded. You've been found loser.
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Then I guess you are just a unique snowflake...
Everyone I've talked to regarding this topic, and everyone I've worked with personally, must remain in dietary compliance to achieve the full effects of trenbolone.
High CHO days are great for glycogen supercomposition purposes (think: photo shoot days) but long-term overfeeding will simply lead to fat gains (even on large amounts of trenbolone).
Stop talking to yourself it's retarded. You've been found loser.
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Tren is also ver famous to lose al your hairline very quick if you are predispoded for that.
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Well, to be honest, Christo...most of the DHT derived AAS types can contribute to male pattern baldness if one is predisposed. I wouldn't consider trenbolone to be one of the worst, I'd rank Winny, Anavar, and Masteron as being more aggressive as it relates to male pattern baldness acceleration...
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I think tren is a powerful drug and well worth the price .... it does have characteristics that the others don't .... it has an effiency affect as in it will make better use of the fuel put into your body, meaning less food waste also meaning one would have to eat X amount of food to grow X amount of size but when tren is at work one can eat less and achieve the X amount of size ..... that's where the CUTTING effect comes in less cals just as much muscle gains =more muscle % added the more your body will burn therefore increasing your fat burning abilities...... IM LAZY AND DIDNT READ everyone's post so if I'm repeating oh well
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When I speak to folks about this topic, I frequently find that their definition of "gaining fat" and mine differ. For instance, if someone is happy staying at around 10% body fat levels then I could probably buy into the argument that folks think they aren't "gaining fat" when on trenbolone while still partaking in eating the occasional "dirty" food (by the way I absolutely despise the terms clean/dirty but we'll save this for another day).
I'm not someone who is going to be happy at 10% and so I'm going to notice when I start holding excess water and/or gaining fat a lot easier than these folks...
As you basically just described to me, you most likely aren't going to be above TDEE if you are eating three "clean" (uggh, grinding my teeth) meals along with one or two "dirty" (hitting my head on my desk) meals...
In other words, you aren't "eating whatever you want" or proving that it is "impossible to gain fat on trenbolone"...
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Yes, along with the potential capabilities of slightly elevating TDEE, trenbolone will also help increase the body's nutrient partitioning capabilities...
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Tip of the cap, kind sir.
When you start doing things like adding equal dose Masteron and high EQ to the equation then the mutation really begins to happen!
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Why are GH15 clones trolling all of a sudden sigh... :'(
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Ahmed,Nasser was a very intelligent man I gave him oral sex and let him nutt in my ass! ,imagine a dope like you on his team.I took one up the ass for his team!!
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Its trenbolona not trenbolone jheeze some people.
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Seriously though so many (of the same)people jizzing in their pants over 'magic in a bottle' tren.
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Ahmed,Nasser was a very intelligent man I gave him oral sex and let him nutt in my ass! ,imagine a dope like you on his team.I took one up the ass for his team!!
You're a fucking homo drug dealer, and nasser was never GH15. Clearly shows you're a douchebag drug dealer and you tried very hard to make yourself appear as Nasser pretending being German and anti-israel and then pro-israel to suck Ron's balls until you got booted outta here for being a scammer and crook. You tried impersonate others including Nasser, but you're just a fucking low life. You've been called out and it's obvious it's you and your cronies. I mean talking to yourself to your low post count accounts. Gtfo you dick lover.
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Message for the gimmicks: NO TRENBOLONA ,, NO BODYBUILD.
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Well, to be honest, Christo...most of the DHT derived AAS types can contribute to male pattern baldness if one is predisposed. I wouldn't consider trenbolone to be one of the worst, I'd rank Winny, Anavar, and Masteron as being more aggressive as it relates to male pattern baldness acceleration...
But anavar is very mild and not so androgenic then Tren :o
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LOL all I can think of is gh15,I blew him a few times for some strango tren. lots of new members talk compounds,every other word out of your small pea brain mind is gh15 this gh15 that. Truth is he has a small dick and I have suck a many for compounds
this post sums you up homo
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But anavar is very mild and not so androgenic then Tren :o
Haha, it isn't so mild if you are a lipid! :)
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LOL all I can think of is gh15,I blew him a few times for some strango tren. lots of new members talk compounds,every other word out of your small pea brain mind is gh15 this gh15 that. Truth is he has a small dick and I have suck a many for compounds
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^da faq :o
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300 mg a day? ::) seriously?
Your prolactin would be off the charts unless you took enough caber to completely shut down your igf1 production ( oh but I forgot, tren increases igf according to the experts.. Wait, no it actually doesn't according to bloodwork)
Not sure if gal agrees but IMO tren is just another drug, nothing magic and prolactin sides suck more tan estrogen ones
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I have had in the past problems with high prolactin levels way after the use of tren ended. And i used a ridiculous small amount.
I dealt with it using half a pill of dostinex every 3-4 days during 2 months. Then my levels droped and keept that way.
PCT with pregnyl and dufine did nothing at the time.
Tren is a no go for me. There are a lot of substances in the market that give you similar results, without the limp dick.
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Single white female version of Shelby Starnes.
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that geleniko video is fucking awesome. thank you for sharing that.
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stop using caber u fools, start using pramipexole it will raise ur GH levels too, take it at night cuz ull feel drowzy and crap if u take it any other time.
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stop using caber u fools, start using pramipexole it will raise ur GH levels too, take it at night cuz ull feel drowzy and crap if u take it any other time.
prami can make you sick if you jump on it right away, start small and build up the dose.
Don't understand the hate in this thread, lifter is pretty much spot on.
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I have had in the past problems with high prolactin levels way after the use of tren ended. And i used a ridiculous small amount.
I dealt with it using half a pill of dostinex every 3-4 days during 2 months. Then my levels droped and keept that way.
PCT with pregnyl and dufine did nothing at the time.
Tren is a no go for me. There are a lot of substances in the market that give you similar results, without the limp dick.
PCT? what is that? A bodybuilder never goes off
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300 mg a day? ::) seriously?
Your prolactin would be off the charts unless you took enough caber to completely shut down your igf1 production ( oh but I forgot, tren increases igf according to the experts.. Wait, no it actually doesn't according to bloodwork)
Not sure if gal agrees but IMO tren is just another drug, nothing magic and prolactin sides suck more tan estrogen ones
That's just not true. Everybody responds differently and unless you are extremely sensitive to 19-nors you should never require enough caber to significantly affect igf.
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popquiz, how much caber was given to acromegaly patients to take their IGF from 500-1000+ down to low-normal and reduce their GH levels?
that's correct! The answer was 1.75mg a week.
brotards pop ancillaries like candy so I would be very surprised at anyone using less than 1mg a week of shitty, randomly dosed research chem caber while on a cycle
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300 mg a day? ::) seriously?
Your prolactin would be off the charts unless you took enough caber to completely shut down your igf1 production ( oh but I forgot, tren increases igf according to the experts.. Wait, no it actually doesn't according to bloodwork)
Not sure if gal agrees but IMO tren is just another drug, nothing magic and prolactin sides suck more tan estrogen ones
Ive pushed it to 300mg for a week and a half and I am about to run 2100mg tren E a week. .5-.75mg of prami was plenty to handle prolactin. Not to mention I hardly get any prolactin sides from 19nors in the first place but I get gyno from 200mg of testosterone without using an AI. Bodybuilding and hormones in general are not black and white.
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Ive pushed it to 300mg for a week and a half and I am about to run 2100mg tren E a week. .5-.75mg of prami was plenty to handle prolactin. Not to mention I hardly get any prolactin sides from 19nors in the first place but I get gyno from 200mg of testosterone without using an AI. Bodybuilding and hormones in general are not black and white.
prolactin will be fine as long as estrogen is
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prolactin will be fine as long as estrogen is
Again, thats not the case for everyone. Hormones are not black and white, no BODY is the same and as such we all react differently.
Regardless as to whether prolactin is elevated or not I have found through trial and error that running prami still takes away significant tren mental sides for me personally.
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Again, thats not the case for everyone. Hormones are not black and white, no BODY is the same and as such we all react differently.
Regardless as to whether prolactin is elevated or not I have found through trial and error that running prami still takes away significant tren mental sides for me personally.
ever tried welbutrin?
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popquiz, how much caber was given to acromegaly patients to take their IGF from 500-1000+ down to low-normal and reduce their GH levels?
that's correct! The answer was 1.75mg a week.
brotards pop ancillaries like candy so I would be very surprised at anyone using less than 1mg a week of shitty, randomly dosed research chem caber while on a cycle
Any idea to what extent nolva can lower igf?
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I've always figured, nolva's decreasing of natural igf1 would be offset by using exogenous igf1 10-fold.
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I've always figured, nolva's decreasing of natural igf1 would be offset by using exogenous igf1 10-fold.
I thought more gear would offset any lowering of igf nolva would cause but I'm no steroidologist so what do I know...
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I thought more gear would offset any lowering of igf nolva would cause but I'm no steroidologist so what do I know...
Depends on the gear, tren dramatically lowers igf in me. But bc pills lower my wife's to the same number so who knows.. My doc says estrogen and slin stim igf in the liver, but then systemic igf is not the same as muscle igf. I get a lot of bloodwork done unlike bro tard parrots but honestly it doesn't really help in the end, other than killing some myths.
Either way pretty much everything lowers mine, a lot. Pramipexole didn't do dick to raise it either. Prescription pramipexole isn't good for lowering my prolactin either, but caber is. Like the other guy says we're all special unique snowflakess
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ever tried welbutrin?
nasty! don't fuck with wellbutrin! That is a horrible choice.Most of your advice is Ok but wellbutrin?That is like a nasty SSRI
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Depends on the gear, tren dramatically lowers igf in me. But bc pills lower my wife's to the same number so who knows.. My doc says estrogen and slin stim igf in the liver, but then systemic igf is not the same as muscle igf. I get a lot of bloodwork done unlike bro tard parrots but honestly it doesn't really help in the end, other than killing some myths.
Either way pretty much everything lowers mine, a lot. Pramipexole didn't do dick to raise it either. Prescription pramipexole isn't good for lowering my prolactin either, but caber is. Like the other guy says we're all special unique snowflakess
Sometimes I think the less I read about this stuff the better :-\
I remember seeing somewhere that nandrolone has a negative effect on thyroid and even considered taking t3 to negate that effect. IRL I had no problems at all and managed to stay lean while using the drug through proper diet. I didn't get blood work done as you do though, but seems like the smart thing to do to see how these things affect you personally.
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some of you guys makes bodybuilding really hard. lol
tren this npp this eq this.
the thing is many works in a different way.
the way to know is to try if its works then you got a base to start with or a gear to stack along others.
if it didn't its either fake, ,underdosed or you just a non responder.
mega doses this and that or trying what what someone used is sorry makes you an ignorant.
and please ive seen the mega doses things yet I never saw mega clean diet this or that.
the idea of eating junk while on is also funny..yah tren or hgh will forgive to some point but again why go junk when you trying to build your best physique.
I really cant understand.
junk is fine at some point but not always.
if you crave junk all the times you will look junk.
and no disrespect to anyone since i joined GB I really kept an eye on Arnold.jr he all this year's the guy I listen to him very carefully because many valid things he said and when you try stuff you know who knows things.
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some of you guys makes bodybuilding really hard. lol
tren this npp this eq this.
the thing is many works in a different way.
the way to know is to try if its works then you got a base to start with or a gear to stack along others.
if it didn't its either fake, ,underdosed or you just a non responder.
mega doses this and that or trying what what someone used is sorry makes you an ignorant.
and please ive seen the mega doses things yet I never saw mega clean diet this or that.
the idea of eating junk while on is also funny..yah tren or hgh will forgive to some point but again why go junk when you trying to build your best physique.
I really cant understand.
junk is fine at some point but not always.
if you crave junk all the times you will look junk.
and no disrespect to anyone since i joined GB I really kept an eye on Arnold.jr he all this year's the guy I listen to him very carefully because many valid things he said and when you try stuff you know who knows things.
Its not that bodybuilding is hard but all these meds have different effects which in turn causes people to use other drugs that come with sides themselves. That's why using as little as possible makes sense to me but for the guys trying to make it far it can be complicated while trying to avoid side effects. Regardless, I agree that diet is key not only in terms of appearance but for overall health and well being.
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EQ is just as good
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EQ is just as good
eq isn't even "just as good" as dbol.