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The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.
“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”
The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay.
Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.
“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.
John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.
“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay. The chaplain was told he could not go on base or enter his chapel offices. He was also barred from engaging in any ministry activity.
The source told me the chaplain was told that if he violated those orders he and his supervisor would be subjected to disciplinary action – with the possibility of being fired.
Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, called those developments disturbing.
“Catholic military personnel should not have their religious liberties held hostage by this funding crisis,” Crews told me. “I find it alarming that these priests cannot even volunteer to provide services without threat of arrest.”
The archbishop said a priest at Joint Base Langley-Eustis was banned from officiating at the wedding of a couple he’d been counseling.
“The wedding could be on the base, but the priest can’t do the wedding,” Broglio told me.
A priest at the Naval Amphibious Base in Little Creek, Va., was told he could not celebrate Mass on base because of the government shutdown. So he discovered a way to circumvent the ban.
“He’s having Mass in a local park off base,” the archbishop said.
The archbishop said it doesn’t make any sense to forbid priests from voluntarily ministering to the troops.
“Most of us don’t look to see that we’re going to be paid before we do something,” he said. “They are not being allowed to volunteer even to meet the needs of the faithful.”
Bill Donohue, of the Catholic League, told me he’s not surprised by the decision to furlough Catholic priests.
“In American history there has been no administration more anti-Catholic than the Obama administration,” he said. “For them to deny Catholic men and women the opportunity of the sacraments and to deal with their prayerful vocations is really a stunning statement.”
Donohue chalked it up to meanness.
“This idea of punishing Catholics in the military - denying them their priests - is consistent with the animus this administration has demonstrated,” he said.
It’s not exactly clear who is the final arbiter in the furloughs – but I suspect it’s the same folks who kicked school children out of the White House and elderly veterans out of the World War II Memorial.
“It’s difficult to know who exactly is making these decisions,” the archbishop said. “I’m being told it keeps getting kicked up to a higher level.”
I called the Pentagon but no one returned my calls.
I called the Air Force public affairs office and they told me to reach out to the local bases.
Surely there must be some way to compromise, to let Catholics practice their faith.
I find it odd that the military was able to find enough cash to let their football teams play this weekend – but they can’t scrounge up enough cash for weekend church services.
“It’s a sad contrast when we can let a football game go on but we won’t let a priest go on base and celebrate Mass,” he said.
So in President Obama’s world – college football players are essential but Catholic priests are not.
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The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.
“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”
The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay.
Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.
“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.
John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.
“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay. The chaplain was told he could not go on base or enter his chapel offices. He was also barred from engaging in any ministry activity.
The source told me the chaplain was told that if he violated those orders he and his supervisor would be subjected to disciplinary action – with the possibility of being fired.
Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, called those developments disturbing.
“Catholic military personnel should not have their religious liberties held hostage by this funding crisis,” Crews told me. “I find it alarming that these priests cannot even volunteer to provide services without threat of arrest.”
The archbishop said a priest at Joint Base Langley-Eustis was banned from officiating at the wedding of a couple he’d been counseling.
“The wedding could be on the base, but the priest can’t do the wedding,” Broglio told me.
A priest at the Naval Amphibious Base in Little Creek, Va., was told he could not celebrate Mass on base because of the government shutdown. So he discovered a way to circumvent the ban.
“He’s having Mass in a local park off base,” the archbishop said.
The archbishop said it doesn’t make any sense to forbid priests from voluntarily ministering to the troops.
“Most of us don’t look to see that we’re going to be paid before we do something,” he said. “They are not being allowed to volunteer even to meet the needs of the faithful.”
Bill Donohue, of the Catholic League, told me he’s not surprised by the decision to furlough Catholic priests.
“In American history there has been no administration more anti-Catholic than the Obama administration,” he said. “For them to deny Catholic men and women the opportunity of the sacraments and to deal with their prayerful vocations is really a stunning statement.”
Donohue chalked it up to meanness.
“This idea of punishing Catholics in the military - denying them their priests - is consistent with the animus this administration has demonstrated,” he said.
It’s not exactly clear who is the final arbiter in the furloughs – but I suspect it’s the same folks who kicked school children out of the White House and elderly veterans out of the World War II Memorial.
“It’s difficult to know who exactly is making these decisions,” the archbishop said. “I’m being told it keeps getting kicked up to a higher level.”
I called the Pentagon but no one returned my calls.
I called the Air Force public affairs office and they told me to reach out to the local bases.
Surely there must be some way to compromise, to let Catholics practice their faith.
I find it odd that the military was able to find enough cash to let their football teams play this weekend – but they can’t scrounge up enough cash for weekend church services.
“It’s a sad contrast when we can let a football game go on but we won’t let a priest go on base and celebrate Mass,” he said.
So in President Obama’s world – college football players are essential but Catholic priests are not.
Hahaa oh noe rapists priests won't get to prey on the doubts and needs of others. People are worried about losing there home, their job. The international community is preying this doesn't go the debt ceiling and your worried about some fucking intellectual void humans who want to pray to a sky daddy.
Fuck the church in all it's manifestations, it's an infestation. No organization in the world has systematically raped and ruined as many kids lives as the CC. It's a power for evil, they claimed that condoms caused aids, refused proper birth control etc It's a primitive vestige that needs to die.
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Hahaa oh noe rapists priests won't get to prey on the doubts and needs of others. People are worried about losing there home, their job. The international community is preying this doesn't go the debt ceiling and your worried about some fucking intellectual void humans who want to pray to a sky daddy.
Fuck the church in all it's manifestations, it's an infestation. No organization in the world has systematically raped and ruined as many kids lives as the CC. It's a power for evil, they claimed that condoms caused aids, refused proper birth control etc It's a primitive vestige that needs to die.
you're a fucking idiot
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you're a fucking idiot
Nice cogent response. You support this vile institution?
They are single handily the most powerful force for evil in the world. Here watch them get eviscerated in front of everyone.
The fact that religious functions are getting any funding when people who need money aren't just proves my point. They are above human suffering, the Vatican sits on money, thrones of gold meanwhile jesus was a beggar hippy fuck. The ideologies are a funny juxtaposition, but highlight the corruption.
Why am I am idiot again?
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Nice cogent response. You support this vile institution?
They are single handily the most powerful force for evil in the world. Here watch them get eviscerated in front of everyone.
The fact that religious functions are getting any funding when people who need money aren't just proves my point. They are above human suffering, the Vatican sits on money, thrones of gold meanwhile jesus was a beggar hippy fuck. The ideologies are a funny juxtaposition, but highlight the corruption.
Why am I am idiot again?
To think you're any kind of a Doctor really scares the fuck out me considering your complete and utter ignorance. I will as this again since you didn't answer the first time. What type of doctor are you? You have no problem Obama supporting radical muslims do you? After all, Obama does have to protect his own.
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To think you're any kind of a Doctor really scares the fuck out me considering your complete and utter ignorance. I will as this again since you didn't answer the first time. What type of doctor are you? You have no problem Obama supporting radical muslims do you? After all, Obama does have to protect his own.
Coach, you are stupid.
why does it matter what type of doctor I am to you? Just know I have done more education then your family combined, GED'S aside.
The fact that you infer Obama is a radical Muslim shows the disconnect you experience daily. His actions are the polar opposite of a radical muslim, he follows none of the practices....
I am a physician.
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To think you're any kind of a Doctor really scares the fuck out me considering your complete and utter ignorance. I will as this again since you didn't answer the first time. What type of doctor are you? You have no problem Obama supporting radical muslims do you? After all, Obama does have to protect his own.
Also, if I had a PHD in political science I could understand your concern but alas medical knowledge does not presuppose political knowledge.
I generally see religion as the last of the evils left to slowly die. Once people start taking control over their lives, realize this is it, no reward is waiting the world will become a better place.
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Coach, you are stupid.
why does it matter what type of doctor I am to you? Just know I have done more education then your family combined, GED'S aside.
The fact that you infer Obama is a radical Muslim shows the disconnect you experience daily. His actions are the polar opposite of a radical muslim, he follows none of the practices....
I am a physician.
1. He protected and funded the Muslim brotherhood..a terrorist organization.
2. He classified the Fort Hood shooter (a admitted radical Muslim) as workplace violence. Just as a couple of examples.
3. All the education in the world doesn't buy you commonsense. I may respect you as a physician but as a physician you're in the minority when it comes to Obamacare. We have clients who are GP's and surgeons, quite a few big corporate CEO's, one former founder and CEO that sold his business that's literally a billionair and one worth between $5-700mil, all faithful Christian's.
These people are successful and obviously smart and owe much of my business sense to them along with my own research. You can't replace a degree with commonsense. If you don't agree with Catholicism, fine, neither do I but there are a lot of people who find comfort in going to a Mass each morning or each week. As a physician, I would expect someone such as yourself to have some understanding how emotionally a patient make take some comfort in that. Also, as a physician, even the medical community cannot find a reason why some people can make full recoveries when they were told the opposite. Faith has made believers in even the most non-believing Doctors.
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Also have to ask, If you consider the right uneducated and dumb, what's your feeling on Dr. Ben Carson? (this should be good)
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Also have to ask, If you consider the right uneducated and dumb, what's your feeling on Dr. Ben Carson? (this should be good)
I don't categorize people based on political affiliation but by the words that come out of their mouths. Listen, truth is out there.... if someone makes sense and can provide logical arguments I may be swayed.
Being a doctor doesn't mean shit, all it means is I have a relatively good memory, an interest in medicine and work ethic(academically at least, I am no manual laborer).
I won't listen to any apologetics however.
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Nice cogent response. You support this vile institution?
They are single handily the most powerful force for evil in the world. Here watch them get eviscerated in front of everyone.
The fact that religious functions are getting any funding when people who need money aren't just proves my point. They are above human suffering, the Vatican sits on money, thrones of gold meanwhile jesus was a beggar hippy fuck. The ideologies are a funny juxtaposition, but highlight the corruption.
Why am I am idiot again?
hey my bad. i didnt know you had a youtube video.
fucking idiot.
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hey my bad. i didnt know you had a youtube video.
fucking idiot.
Why even bother posting this? your life must suck.
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Why even bother posting this? your life must suck.
As a catholic...GO FUCK YOURSELF you worthless piece of liberal shit. Your not a doc, your an idiot that posts on a internet board. Die screaming u worthless assbag....fucking lib douche.
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The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.
“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”
The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay.
Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.
“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.
John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.
“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay. The chaplain was told he could not go on base or enter his chapel offices. He was also barred from engaging in any ministry activity.
The source told me the chaplain was told that if he violated those orders he and his supervisor would be subjected to disciplinary action – with the possibility of being fired.
Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, called those developments disturbing.
“Catholic military personnel should not have their religious liberties held hostage by this funding crisis,” Crews told me. “I find it alarming that these priests cannot even volunteer to provide services without threat of arrest.”
The archbishop said a priest at Joint Base Langley-Eustis was banned from officiating at the wedding of a couple he’d been counseling.
“The wedding could be on the base, but the priest can’t do the wedding,” Broglio told me.
A priest at the Naval Amphibious Base in Little Creek, Va., was told he could not celebrate Mass on base because of the government shutdown. So he discovered a way to circumvent the ban.
“He’s having Mass in a local park off base,” the archbishop said.
The archbishop said it doesn’t make any sense to forbid priests from voluntarily ministering to the troops.
“Most of us don’t look to see that we’re going to be paid before we do something,” he said. “They are not being allowed to volunteer even to meet the needs of the faithful.”
Bill Donohue, of the Catholic League, told me he’s not surprised by the decision to furlough Catholic priests.
“In American history there has been no administration more anti-Catholic than the Obama administration,” he said. “For them to deny Catholic men and women the opportunity of the sacraments and to deal with their prayerful vocations is really a stunning statement.”
Donohue chalked it up to meanness.
“This idea of punishing Catholics in the military - denying them their priests - is consistent with the animus this administration has demonstrated,” he said.
It’s not exactly clear who is the final arbiter in the furloughs – but I suspect it’s the same folks who kicked school children out of the White House and elderly veterans out of the World War II Memorial.
“It’s difficult to know who exactly is making these decisions,” the archbishop said. “I’m being told it keeps getting kicked up to a higher level.”
I called the Pentagon but no one returned my calls.
I called the Air Force public affairs office and they told me to reach out to the local bases.
Surely there must be some way to compromise, to let Catholics practice their faith.
I find it odd that the military was able to find enough cash to let their football teams play this weekend – but they can’t scrounge up enough cash for weekend church services.
“It’s a sad contrast when we can let a football game go on but we won’t let a priest go on base and celebrate Mass,” he said.
So in President Obama’s world – college football players are essential but Catholic priests are not.
You dont like it? Stop voting GOP. Its that simple.
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As a catholic...GO FUCK YOURSELF you worthless piece of liberal shit. Your not a doc, your an idiot that posts on a internet board. Die screaming u worthless assbag....fucking lib douche.
Whoa whoa just because you support an organization that has systematically raped thousands of kids and cause untold suffering in the world. Name one good thing the catholic church does that requires being a catholic? hand jobs for kids isn't an answer.
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Whoa whoa just because you support an organization that has systematically raped thousands of kids and cause untold suffering in the world. Name one good thing the catholic church does that requires being a catholic? hand jobs for kids isn't an answer.
Are you a phedo if you support other phedo's?
In that case HH6 is a clear cut phedofile.
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As a catholic...GO FUCK YOURSELF you worthless piece of liberal shit. Your not a doc, your an idiot that posts on a internet board. Die screaming u worthless assbag....fucking lib douche.
Some of the kids do wear provocative clothing, how could an old man with no ass for his life resist amirite?
You sound angry, hopefully you aren't practicing abstinence.
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Oh boy... another topic with a misleading headline Joe. If I didn't know better I'd think the guy, beyond being blindly partisan is also an idiot. Oh wait...
As a catholic...GO FUCK YOURSELF you worthless piece of liberal shit. Your not a doc, your an idiot that posts on a internet board. Die screaming u worthless assbag....fucking lib douche.
My, what a good Christian you are! A shining example for us all!
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The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.
“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”
The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay.
Broglio said some military bases have forbidden the contract priests from volunteering to celebrate Mass without pay.
“They were told they cannot function because those are contracted services and since there’s no funding they can’t do it – even if they volunteer,” he said.
John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests volunteering their services could face big trouble.
“During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so,” he said in a written statement.
A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay. The chaplain was told he could not go on base or enter his chapel offices. He was also barred from engaging in any ministry activity.
The source told me the chaplain was told that if he violated those orders he and his supervisor would be subjected to disciplinary action – with the possibility of being fired.
Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, called those developments disturbing.
“Catholic military personnel should not have their religious liberties held hostage by this funding crisis,” Crews told me. “I find it alarming that these priests cannot even volunteer to provide services without threat of arrest.”
The archbishop said a priest at Joint Base Langley-Eustis was banned from officiating at the wedding of a couple he’d been counseling.
“The wedding could be on the base, but the priest can’t do the wedding,” Broglio told me.
A priest at the Naval Amphibious Base in Little Creek, Va., was told he could not celebrate Mass on base because of the government shutdown. So he discovered a way to circumvent the ban.
“He’s having Mass in a local park off base,” the archbishop said.
The archbishop said it doesn’t make any sense to forbid priests from voluntarily ministering to the troops.
“Most of us don’t look to see that we’re going to be paid before we do something,” he said. “They are not being allowed to volunteer even to meet the needs of the faithful.”
Bill Donohue, of the Catholic League, told me he’s not surprised by the decision to furlough Catholic priests.
“In American history there has been no administration more anti-Catholic than the Obama administration,” he said. “For them to deny Catholic men and women the opportunity of the sacraments and to deal with their prayerful vocations is really a stunning statement.”
Donohue chalked it up to meanness.
“This idea of punishing Catholics in the military - denying them their priests - is consistent with the animus this administration has demonstrated,” he said.
It’s not exactly clear who is the final arbiter in the furloughs – but I suspect it’s the same folks who kicked school children out of the White House and elderly veterans out of the World War II Memorial.
“It’s difficult to know who exactly is making these decisions,” the archbishop said. “I’m being told it keeps getting kicked up to a higher level.”
I called the Pentagon but no one returned my calls.
I called the Air Force public affairs office and they told me to reach out to the local bases.
Surely there must be some way to compromise, to let Catholics practice their faith.
I find it odd that the military was able to find enough cash to let their football teams play this weekend – but they can’t scrounge up enough cash for weekend church services.
“It’s a sad contrast when we can let a football game go on but we won’t let a priest go on base and celebrate Mass,” he said.
So in President Obama’s world – college football players are essential but Catholic priests are not.
Catholic Priest are not going to be arrested whether they celebrate Mass with soldiers or not. Just another silly article you feel for, Coach. ::)
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If they're going to arrest Catholic priests who work without pay,
...who's going to arrest all those priests? ...the Capitol police & security personnel also working without pay?
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If they're going to arrest Catholic priests who work without pay,
...who's going to arrest all those priests? ...the Capitol police & security personnel also working without pay?
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The hatred and vitriol hurled towards religion, primarily Christiandom, the usual suspect, is nothing new from the secular left. Islam, the most practiced religion in the world, is usually left out of the conversation. Attacking the church has little to no consequences, whereas the other certainly does.
The majority of those that identify themselves as Christians(or Catholics, or Mormons, etc...) are not the type up in the Appalachians handling venomous snakes or buying $29.99 Miracle Water from a 2 am infomercial. They simply have a common interest (religion) that binds them together at least once a week in togetherness.....you know, that human condition of commonality. The rest of their lives are spent as most other lives are spent.........working, eating, sleeping, and fucking.
The elimination of religion does NOT necessarily equate to advancements of humanity. Religion would simply be replaced by something else to worship....perhaps the State.
Don't blame religion for humanity's woes. It is a man-made instrument. Blame man.
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The hatred and vitriol hurled towards religion, primarily Christiandom, the usual suspect, is nothing new from the secular left. Islam, the most practiced religion in the world, is usually left out of the conversation. Attacking the church has little to no consequences, whereas the other certainly does.
The majority of those that identify themselves as Christians(or Catholics, or Mormons, etc...) are not the type up in the Appalachians handling venomous snakes or buying $29.99 Miracle Water from a 2 am infomercial. They simply have a common interest (religion) that binds them together at least once a week in togetherness.....you know, that human condition of commonality. The rest of their lives are spent as most other lives are spent.........working, eating, sleeping, and fucking.
The elimination of religion does NOT necessarily equate to advancements of humanity. Religion would simply be replaced by something else to worship....perhaps the State.
Don't blame religion for humanity's woes. It is a man-made instrument. Blame man.
well said. and thats exactly whats happening right now. Politics is the new religion.
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Did that muslim terrorist Obama threaten his fellow imams?
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Why even bother posting this? your life must suck.
coming from the guy who just wrote a 500 word rant on how much he hates Christians and how ALL priests fuck kids? dude you're an absolute bought and sold asset of the Democratic party. you regurgitate every piece of liberal propoganda on here and claim it as your own. yeah i think my life definitely sucks less than yours.
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Yet another 'random effect of the shutdown' which is actually an intentionally targeted political statement from this administration.
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This is all part of a radical agenda pushed by the leftist extremists to fundamentally transform the society into a secular socialist hell hole.
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This is all part of a radical agenda pushed by the leftist extremists to fundamentally transform the society into a secular socialist hell hole.
You are actually stating the complete opposite of reality, crazy.
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Haha whatever you say, 'doctor'. ::)
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You are actually stating the complete opposite of reality, crazy.
::)
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Yet another 'random effect of the shutdown' which is actually an intentionally targeted political statement from this administration.
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The article says the shutdown was the reason given why they were not allowed to have mass. Which is just the latest bullshit thing the administration has done and blamed it 'on the shutdown'.
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The article says the shutdown was the reason given why they were not allowed to have mass. Which is just the latest bullshit thing the administration has done and blamed it 'on the shutdown'.
So you are saying Obama asked for this to be closed down? what is the reasoning behind this? any evidence it was Obama's decision during the GOP forced shutdown?
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Until you or anyone can provide a legitimate reason why the open-air WW2 memorial was forcibly closed off (as well as tons of other pointless closing of parks as well as privately funded institutions) by this administration and blamed on the shutdown (despite using paid personell to close areas), then ill stick to my conclusions.
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The hatred and vitriol hurled towards religion, primarily Christiandom, the usual suspect, is nothing new from the secular left. Islam, the most practiced religion in the world, is usually left out of the conversation. Attacking the church has little to no consequences, whereas the other certainly does.
The majority of those that identify themselves as Christians(or Catholics, or Mormons, etc...) are not the type up in the Appalachians handling venomous snakes or buying $29.99 Miracle Water from a 2 am infomercial. They simply have a common interest (religion) that binds them together at least once a week in togetherness.....you know, that human condition of commonality. The rest of their lives are spent as most other lives are spent.........working, eating, sleeping, and fucking.
The elimination of religion does NOT necessarily equate to advancements of humanity. Religion would simply be replaced by something else to worship....perhaps the State.
Don't blame religion for humanity's woes. It is a man-made instrument. Blame man.
So an institution set up by man to control man's thoughts isn't responsible for it's teachings which then lead to action by said indoctrinated person? fuck that's quite the deal, it's like it can do whatever it wants, like tell people they will burn in hell for eternity should they disagree, then simply state it's being perverted by man. It's foolproof, the only thing that could counter something like this in thinking.
You also proved my point for me, there is no need for the church, worship can happen anywhere with anything, why you support a corrupt institution is beyond me. The argument that it's harmless is moot, it's not, anything that stops people from thinking for themselves is dangerous and perhaps evil at the core. The churchs role is oppression and obedience, simple as that, it's teachings are outdated an silly.
What you are describing are armchair Christians, people who haven't read the bible and are scared by the big noisy world with no absolutes. People force resolution through fantasy, I prefer thinking.
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Until you or anyone can provide a legitimate reason why the open-air WW2 memorial was forcibly closed off (as well as tons of other pointless closing of parks as well as privately funded institutions) by this administration and blamed on the shutdown (despite using paid personell to close areas), then ill stick to my conclusions.
What closes and what stays open is based on determinations made in accordance to numerous relevant laws. The Administration has leeway to interpret and apply those laws, but the fact is that they are bound by the law in question. And under those laws, what closes and what stays open boils down to applying a formula. The formula is silly, no doubt. For example, it requires the shut down of facilities even if the cost of the shutdown (not to mention the eventual restart) exceeds the cost of continued operation.
The Administration bears some responsibility of course, but it's silly to assert that they bear all the responsibility and blame. That goes, collectively, to both the Congress and the Administration. And, ultimately, to the people who cultivate a hyper-polarized political environment, and to the voters who keep electing buffoons.
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What closes and what stays open is based on determinations made in accordance to numerous relevant laws. The Administration has leeway to interpret and apply those laws, but the fact is that they are bound by the law in question. And under those laws, what closes and what stays open boils down to applying a formula. The formula is silly, no doubt. For example, it requires the shut down of facilities even if the cost of the shutdown (not to mention the eventual restart) exceeds the cost of continued operation.
The Administration bears some responsibility of course, but it's silly to assert that they bear all the responsibility and blame. That goes, collectively, to both the Congress and the Administration. And, ultimately, to the people who cultivate a hyper-polarized political environment, and to the voters who keep electing buffoons.
I think it mandatory for everyone to at least do several sessions of CBT at least to understand fallacious thought patterns. It seems the major infliction is all-or-nothing thinking. Obama did it, it's the rights fault etc. the nuances get lost. It's either the CBT or induce autism to enhance detail orientation.
Why the recent rise In Autism? Obama is possibly doing this.
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What closes and what stays open is based on determinations made in accordance to numerous relevant laws. The Administration has leeway to interpret and apply those laws, but the fact is that they are bound by the law in question. And under those laws, what closes and what stays open boils down to applying a formula. The formula is silly, no doubt. For example, it requires the shut down of facilities even if the cost of the shutdown (not to mention the eventual restart) exceeds the cost of continued operation.
The Administration bears some responsibility of course, but it's silly to assert that they bear all the responsibility and blame. That goes, collectively, to both the Congress and the Administration. And, ultimately, to the people who cultivate a hyper-polarized political environment, and to the voters who keep electing buffoons.
Good post
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http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2013/10/08/priest-obama-administration-denied-mass-to-catholics.aspx
Jesus - time for Obama to be jailed
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http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2013/10/08/priest-obama-administration-denied-mass-to-catholics.aspx
Jesus - time for Obama to be jailed
More sensationalizing a story with a purposefully misleading title. Hooray for journalism and political sparring.
And we wonder what's wrong with this country.
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More sensationalizing a story with a purposefully misleading title. Hooray for journalism and political sparring.
And we wonder what's wrong with this country.
what is wrong w it?
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what is wrong w it?
The link you posted answers your question. Look at the misrepresentations it contains!
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Also have to ask, If you consider the right uneducated and dumb, what's your feeling on Dr. Ben Carson? (this should be good)