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Not a chance in my opinion. They have Viking settlements on the Northeast coast, that pre date Columbus by 300-400 years.
I also think an ancient civilization/s have been to America.
Romans, Athenians, Persians, Egyptians, Chinese, Carthaginians etc.... Could have found America by mistake. Hell, even an Irish priest is said to have sailed to America before Columbus.
Happy Columbus day!
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Fuck no, but he was commissioned by the church and it was documented so he is taking credit for it. But he discovered the Caribbean anyways not North America
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Technically, America as a "thing" didn't exist when Columbus landed.
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He brought nothing but a future of govt cheese and booze to the peace loving natives who farted rainbows and could speak to the animals.
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I'll be doing an epic piece on this tonight. No one will want to miss it. More truths of history.
And BTW of course he didn't he was a piece of shit.
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Technically, America as a "thing" didn't exist when Columbus landed.
True, but I believe he gets credit as the first "outsider" to discover the continent.
First to claim it for his country? That would be the better question.
I would also like to read a book about Columbus's ship logs. He was known to have seen some weird shit, including ufos. Would make for a great read I bet.
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And Bullshit. America was called Arsereth in the Bible. It's even in the "Jewish" encyclopedia. Look it up. I swear some of you are idiots.
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Leif Ericson The Norwegian apparently created a settlement around 1010 in Newfoundland. He flitted around Greenland and Iceland after being kicked out Norway.
But the Red Indians were already there. They came from Asia 12,000 years ago when Asia and North America were still joined and wiped out the Eskimos apparently.
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Leif Ericson The Norwegian apparently created a settlement around 1010 in Newfoundland. He flitted around Greenland and Iceland after being kicked out Norway.
But the Red Indians were already there. They came from Asia 12,000 years ago when Asia and North America were still joined and wiped out the Eskimos apparently.
You're right on the first section and wrong on the second section.
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And Bullshit. America was called Asereth in the Bible. It's even in the "Jewish" encyclopedia. Look it up. I swear some of you are idiots.
I actually believe you to a certain extent. The landmass that we call America was kniwn to people far earlier than Columbus could ever dream of.
Maybe as far back as the first boats could sail large distances. We are talking thousands of years ago.
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slavery built england and usa
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It doesn't matter. It was Columbus's voyage that started one of the greatest human migrations ever.
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of course not...
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Leif Ericson The Norwegian apparently created a settlement around 1010 in Newfoundland. He flitted around Greenland and Iceland after being kicked out Norway.
But the Red Indians were already there. They came from Asia 12,000 years ago when Asia and North America were still joined and wiped out the Eskimos apparently.
Everyone knows that indians were already there. Leftovers from the mass continental migrations. We are talking about outsiders.
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Who cares? He came to this country and fucked the most shit up. History doesn't remember the losers.
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slavery built england and usa
::)
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It doesn't matter. It was Columbus's voyage that started one of the greatest human migrations ever.
Exactly.
Wooossshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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"this country, every Brick is cemented ... by the blood and sweat of Negroes".
Tony Blair apologised for the slave trade on which England's prosperity was built, but the descendants of the working-class that lived and died in appalling poverty and degradation in the city may have to wait a while for any expression of regret.
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I actually believe you to a certain extent. The landmass that we call America was kniwn to people far earlier than Columbus could ever dream of.
Maybe as far back as the first boats could sail large distances. We are talking thousands of years ago.
As I said Americas name was called Arsareth. It's fact. And yes, the Red Indians were here before but they weren't called the Red Indians. They were called Israelites and they spoke Hebrew. This is a matter of fact and there's plenty of evidence. Shithead Columbus knew this and took an Israelite with him to America. They enslaved, raped and nearly wiped out the Indians. Including destroying their culture. This is historical fact that is hidden from the public. Red Indians were the 10 Northern Tribes. The Mormons know this, it's part of their religion.
You'll have your "proofs" this evening or tomorrow.
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"this country, every Brick is cemented ... by the blood and sweat of Negroes".
Tony Blair apologised for the slave trade on which England's prosperity was built, but the descendants of the working-class that lived and died in appalling poverty and degradation in the city may have to wait a while for any expression of regret.
what about the other successful white european countries? slavery built them aswell you figure?
Sweden, Norway, Finland etc. etc.
all slavery. ::)
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As I said Americas name was called Arsareth. It's fact. And yes, the Red Indians were here before but they weren't called the Red Indians. They were called Israelites and they spoke Hebrew. This is a matter of fact and there's plenty of evidence. Shithead Columbus knew this and took an Israelite with him to America. They enslaved, raped and nearly wiped out the Indians. Including destroying their culture. This is historical fact that is hidden from the public. Red Indians were the 10 Northern Tribes. The Mormons know this, it's part of their religion.
You'll have your "proofs" this evening or tomorrow.
are you on meth ?
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what about the other successful white european countries? slavery built them aswell you figure?
Sweden, Norway, Finland etc. etc.
all slavery. ::)
Reading is not your strong suit. He wrote USA and ENGLAND. Nothing else smartass.
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are you on meth ?
No, but you're strung out on stupid.
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"this country, every Brick is cemented ... by the blood and sweat of Negroes".
Untrue, particularly in the industrial north.
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Not a chance in my opinion. They have Viking settlements on the Northeast coast, that pre date Columbus by 300-400 years.
I also think an ancient civilization/s have been to America.
Romans, Athenians, Persians, Egyptians, Chinese, Carthaginians etc.... Could have found America by mistake. Hell, even an Irish priest is said to have sailed to America before Columbus.
Happy Columbus day!
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/10277426775_9f623e2319.jpg)
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It doesn't matter. It was Columbus's voyage that started one of the greatest human migrations ever.
I think getting out of that shit hole we now call africa takes the cake.
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at least thank for that asshole, we have a day off today
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Untrue, particularly in the industrial north.
Agreed. Which is why we had to have a civil war.
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It doesn't matter. It was Columbus's voyage that started one of the greatest human migrations ever.
Not really. Very few people came over for a few hundred years after the fact. Jamestown? The Mayflower?
He did probably have a hand in the Spanish conquistadors fucking up shit in south America.
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Taken from the Jewish Encyclopedia...
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1867-arzareth
ARZARETH:
The name of the land beyond the great river, far away from the habitation of man, in which the Ten Tribes of Israel will dwell, observing the laws of Moses, until the time of the restoration, according to IV Esd. xiii. 45. Columbus identified America with this land. (See Kayserling's "Christopher Columbus," translated by Dr. C. Gross, p. 15.)
The name, it has been suggested by Schiller-Szinessy, is taken from Deut. xxix. 24-27, "Because they forsook the covenant of the Lord . . . and went and served other gods . . . the Lord rooted them out of their land . . . and cast them into another land [ereẓ aḦeret] as this day." This passage is made to refer (in Mishnah Sanh. x. 3) to the Ten Tribes (compare Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 12; Bab. ib. 110b; Yer. ib. x. 29c; Ab. R. N., ed. Schechter, A, xxxvi. 108, and Bacher, "Agada der Tannaiten," i. 143). But different opinions are expressed by Akiba and Eliezer—the traditions are rather confused as to the names—whether the Ten Tribes may be expected to return or not, since this point is not determined in the Scriptural verse. One of them takes the words "as this day" to signify that "as the day goeth, but doth not return, so shall they who are cast off not return"; the other explains the words: "as the day begins with the darkness of the night, but turns into day, so shall the darkness of their banishment be turned into bright daylight" (Mishnah Sanh. l.c.). The fourth Book of Esdras took the latter view, which was adopted also by R. Judah ha-Nasi in the Tosefta (l.c.), who refers to Isa. xxvii. 13.
Bibliography:
Schiller-Szinessy, in Journal of Philology, iii. 114;
Neubauer, Jew. Quart. Rev. i. 16.
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Reading is not your strong suit. He wrote USA and ENGLAND. Nothing else smartass.
and logic is not your strong suit
No, but you're strung out on stupid.
yeah your hebrew "theories" are gaining ground really. ::)
you're becoming a joke on here with your drug induced bs. just like tbombz
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and logic is not your strong suit
yeah your hebrew "theories" are gaining ground really. ::)
you're becoming a joke on here with your drug induced bs. just like tbombz
Right, that's why I just pulled it from the Jewish Encyclopedia right? I'm not here to please you or anyone else. I'm here to post truths. How you deal with it is your problem. I expect feathers to be ruffled.
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I'll be doing an epic piece on this tonight. No one will want to miss it. More truths of history.
And BTW of course he didn't he was a piece of shit.
Out of those little tablets again ;D
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And Bullshit. America was called Arsereth in the Bible. It's even in the "Jewish" encyclopedia. Look it up. I swear some of you are idiots.
But U A NOT Jew or ever will be ;D
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Your Jewish Encyclopedia from 1870 written by people you consider to be fake hebrews.
Imagine if we practiced medicine using 1800s technology and knowledge of conmen.
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Uhh, anybody ever hear of Amerigo Vespucci? That's the man this country is named for.
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Your Jewish Encyclopedia from 1870 written by people you consider to be fake hebrews.
Imagine if we practiced medicine using 1800s technology and knowledge.
No it's not and new information is updated online, nice try though.
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Your Jewish Encyclopedia from 1870 written by people you consider to be fake hebrews.
Imagine if we practiced medicine using 1800s technology and knowledge of conmen.
They never said they were Hebrews. They said they were Jews. And a Jew is not a Hebrew. A Jew is a convert and a Hebrew is the people. Even their Jewish Encyclopedia says a Jew is not a Hebrew. But I digress to the Red Indian Hebrew.
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Uhh, anybody ever hear of Amerigo Vespucci? That's the man this country is named for.
I love his tomatoe sauce.
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As I said Americas name was called Arsareth. It's fact. And yes, the Red Indians were here before but they weren't called the Red Indians. They were called Israelites and they spoke Hebrew. This is a matter of fact and there's plenty of evidence. Shithead Columbus knew this and took an Israelite with him to America. They enslaved, raped and nearly wiped out the Indians. Including destroying their culture. This is historical fact that is hidden from the public. Red Indians were the 10 Northern Tribes. The Mormons know this, it's part of their religion.
You'll have your "proofs" this evening or tomorrow.
Wow, but U don't speak Hebrew, NEGROID to spit on C.C. name ::)
Hey Kunta Kinte, can you name pilots on Nina,Pinta & Santa Maria (they were from D______ ?)
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Your Jewish Encyclopedia from 1870 written by people you consider to be fake hebrews.
Imagine if we practiced medicine using 1800s technology and knowledge of conmen.
LOLOL....I was about to write something similar.
the fucking "jewish encyclopedia" written in 1901 by a jewish professor....sorry, didn't realize it was the final word on the history of the world ::)
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No it's not and new information is updated online, nice try though.
New information, yup.
Schiller-Szinessy (Journal of Philology, vol. iii. 1870)
The Jewish Encyclopedia: A Descriptive Record of the History. Volume 2 Isidore Singer, Cyrus Adler - 1916
and Volume 1 in 1901
^ your source available on google books.
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From "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus":
Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez while on the deck of the Santa Maira, observed, "a light glimmering at a great distance." It vanished and reappeared several times during the night, moving up and down, "in sudden and passing gleams." It was sighted 4 hours before land was sighted, and taken by Columbus as a sign they would soon come to land.
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LOLOL....I was about to write something similar.
the fucking "jewish encyclopedia" written in 1901 by a jewish professor....sorry, didn't realize it was the final word on the history of the world ::)
Wiggs is to the point where there is no point.
Those without a worthy history are doomed to steal another's storied past in order to make themselves feel better. Sad and pathetic.
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Taken from the Jewish Encyclopedia...
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1867-arzareth
ARZARETH:
The name of the land beyond the great river, far away from the habitation of man, in which the Ten Tribes of Israel will dwell, observing the laws of Moses, until the time of the restoration, according to IV Esd. xiii. 45. Columbus identified America with this land. (See Kayserling's "Christopher Columbus," translated by Dr. C. Gross, p. 15.)
The name, it has been suggested by Schiller-Szinessy, is taken from Deut. xxix. 24-27, "Because they forsook the covenant of the Lord . . . and went and served other gods . . . the Lord rooted them out of their land . . . and cast them into another land [ereẓ aḦeret] as this day." This passage is made to refer (in Mishnah Sanh. x. 3) to the Ten Tribes (compare Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 12; Bab. ib. 110b; Yer. ib. x. 29c; Ab. R. N., ed. Schechter, A, xxxvi. 108, and Bacher, "Agada der Tannaiten," i. 143). But different opinions are expressed by Akiba and Eliezer—the traditions are rather confused as to the names—whether the Ten Tribes may be expected to return or not, since this point is not determined in the Scriptural verse. One of them takes the words "as this day" to signify that "as the day goeth, but doth not return, so shall they who are cast off not return"; the other explains the words: "as the day begins with the darkness of the night, but turns into day, so shall the darkness of their banishment be turned into bright daylight" (Mishnah Sanh. l.c.). The fourth Book of Esdras took the latter view, which was adopted also by R. Judah ha-Nasi in the Tosefta (l.c.), who refers to Isa. xxvii. 13.
Bibliography:
Schiller-Szinessy, in Journal of Philology, iii. 114;
Neubauer, Jew. Quart. Rev. i. 16.
Sounds just like America bro.
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Schiller-Szinessy (Journal of Philology, vol. iii. 1870)
The Jewish Encyclopedia: A Descriptive Record of the History. Isidore Singer, Cyrus Adler - 1916
Were do you think history comes from genius? Do you think they make it up every year? Or do they take historical documents, archeology and accounts and put them in print? I can't believe some of the excuses some of you guys come up with. In the end it always ends up being, "It doesn't matter Wiggs, who cares". Broken records SOS.
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Did columbus see tranny mermaids?
"On the previous day [8 Jan 1493], when the Admiral went to the Rio del Oro [on Haiti], he said he quite distinctly saw three mermaids, which rose well out of the sea; but they are not so beautiful as they are said to be, for their faces had some masculine traits. The Admiral says that he had seen some, at other times, on the coast of Guinea, where you find manequeta."
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Were do you think history comes from genius? Do you think they make it up every year? Or do they take historical documents, archeology and accounts and put them in print? I can't believe some of the excuses some of you guys come up with. In the end it always ends up being, "It doesn't matter Wiggs, who cares". Broken records SOS.
Obviously history comes from fake hebrews.
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Obviously history comes from fake hebrews.
Think about that one for a minute. It's a double whammy.
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I just said it, because the super powers that rule today, are USA and England.
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This about that one for a minute. It's a double whammy.
Jesus is not a fake hebrew. ;)
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. Your insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
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Viking settlement in North America. Obviously pre dates Columbus.
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/5223362.jpg)
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. You're insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
Waaah Waaaah (sticks fingers in ears) ::)
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. You're insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
First of all, I'm not European. Secondly, you use fake hebrews as your sources for your "true history"
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. You're insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
Thats bullshit Wiggs. Humans have been violent to eachother since the dawn of man. Why are you singling out Europeans? Indian tribes fought one another, African tribes fought eachother and the losers were either killed or sold to the white man as slaves.
Don't give me this European bullshit. All you have to do is look at modern times. The middle east and Africa are still at civil war.
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. You're insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
Yeah, like real scholars have nothing on you closet ones. ::)
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First of all, I'm not European. Secondly, you use fake hebrews as your sources for your "true history"
You should really acquiesce to Wigg's superior knowledge.
After all...his track record speaks for itself
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Viking settlement in North America. Obviously pre dates Columbus.
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/5223362.jpg)
Wow man you are blowing us away with these insightful, never before seen revelations.
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Wow man you are blowing us away with these insightful, never before seen revelations.
It's a gift that keeps on giving. ;)
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First of all, I'm not European. Secondly, you use fake hebrews are your sources for your "true history"
Yes, Jews are claiming to be of the Northern tribes (Red Indians). Their claiming to be of the southern tribes...or us. Everything I cut and pasted from the website is accurate in this case. I wasn't talking to one person in particular. I was speaking to the entire board because it's never ending stupidity about history even with proof. You don't want to believe it because it knocks you all off your pedestals. Tough titty.
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Wiggs, your encyclopedia of worldly truth was written by the fake hebrews. You've been led astray my brother. I hate to say it but you've been had, you've been took, you've been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok. And this is what the white man wants, Wiggs.
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Viking settlement in North America. Obviously pre dates Columbus.
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/5223362.jpg)
Yes, but the Original Vikings were Negroes.
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And now the jokes to ease tensions. You all are broken records. And to this day, no one on this board has debunked a thing I've said regarding Black or Red Hebrews. Because you can't. This is what I expect and enjoy watching you all flap around like fish out of water. Carry on.
1 Hebrew vs. a board of people and the Hebrew still wins. Facts can't be debunked that's why I win.
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It could have been an Irish monk. Why is his tale so famous?
In the sixth century, St. Brendan, an Irish monk who was widely reputed as a skilled seafarer, is said to have undertaken an ambitious voyage. Brendan, along with a crew of fellow monks, sailed looking for Paradise, the Land of Promise of the Saints. After seven years exploring mysterious lands, he came upon what he believed to be the fabled paradise. It was an island so vast that he and his crew failed to reach the far shore after 40 days of walking. It contained a river that was too wide to be crossed. It was a wooded land, filled with lush fruits. He and his men filled their boats with gems they found there and returned home to tell of the news.
It wasn’t until the ninth century that an account of Brendan's voyage surfaced, the Navigatio Sancti Brendani (“Travels of St. Brendan” in Latin). It was an instant hit, translated into several languages. The account talks of Brendan’s experiences, including his being pelted with rock from an island of fire, seeing a pillar of crystal and encountering a moving island before finally coming upon the Promised Land, which came to be referred to as the Fortunate Islands.
But as time wore on, the Navigatio -- along with St. Brendan himself -- passed into the realm of legend. If Brendan had lived -- as most scholars assume -- surely he couldn’t have traveled across the treacherous North Atlantic with the technology available at the time. Certainly, he couldn’t have beaten the Vikings to North America.
Ironically, it is Viking lore that lends support to the idea that Brendan was the first European in North America.
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And now the jokes to ease tensions. You all are broken records. And to this day, no one on this board has debunked a thing I've said regarding Black or Red Hebrews. Because you can't. This is what I expect and enjoy watching you all flap around like fish out of water. Carry on.
Good stuff. Why don't you collate all your findings and take them to the head of the hist. department at UNLV. I'm sure he would readily make faculty space for such an eminence as you.
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Good stuff. Why don't you collate all your findings and take them to the head of the hist. department at UNLV. I'm sure he would readily make faculty space for such an eminence as you.
hahahahahahaaaaaaa....wi ggs the fucking idiot can't even get traction on this dumbass site.
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And now the jokes to ease tensions. You all are broken records. And to this day, no one on this board has debunked a thing I've said regarding Black or Red Hebrews. Because you can't. This is what I expect and enjoy watching you all flap around like fish out of water. Carry on.
1 Hebrew vs. a board of people and the Hebrew still wins. Facts can't be debunked that's why I win.
Thats what the white man wants you to think.
Listen to and ponder the words of the great Malcolm X.
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. Your insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
you just blew my mind. i had no idea white people were such bad people. i will from now on live in a perpetual state of guilt and demonize only the actions of whites to make up for us being such bad people. i don't know anything about the history of the middle east of Africa, but i bet they never had wars over territory or power. i bet only white people have the propensity to be that barbaric. thanks for setting all of us straight man. i really appreciate it. thanks for the opportunity to read your written word.
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Good stuff. Why don't you collate all your findings and take them to the head of the hist. department at UNLV. I'm sure he would readily make faculty space for such an eminence as you.
Of course they wouldn't. You are a fool. Would you take information that would cause a worldwide paradigm shift and present it to the world if it would affect your people? Of course you wouldn't. You'd sweep under the rug like it's been the last 500 plus years.
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It could have been an Irish monk. Why is his tale so famous?
In the sixth century, St. Brendan, an Irish monk who was widely reputed as a skilled seafarer, is said to have undertaken an ambitious voyage. Brendan, along with a crew of fellow monks, sailed looking for Paradise, the Land of Promise of the Saints. After seven years exploring mysterious lands, he came upon what he believed to be the fabled paradise. It was an island so vast that he and his crew failed to reach the far shore after 40 days of walking. It contained a river that was too wide to be crossed. It was a wooded land, filled with lush fruits. He and his men filled their boats with gems they found there and returned home to tell of the news.
It wasn’t until the ninth century that an account of Brendan's voyage surfaced, the Navigatio Sancti Brendani (“Travels of St. Brendan” in Latin). It was an instant hit, translated into several languages. The account talks of Brendan’s experiences, including his being pelted with rock from an island of fire, seeing a pillar of crystal and encountering a moving island before finally coming upon the Promised Land, which came to be referred to as the Fortunate Islands.
But as time wore on, the Navigatio -- along with St. Brendan himself -- passed into the realm of legend. If Brendan had lived -- as most scholars assume -- surely he couldn’t have traveled across the treacherous North Atlantic with the technology available at the time. Certainly, he couldn’t have beaten the Vikings to North America.
Ironically, it is Viking lore that lends support to the idea that Brendan was the first European in North America.
I saw a program about this, I think it was debunked, but it was somewhere in the Deep South where he supposedly went.
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you just blew my mind. i had no idea white people were such bad people. i will from now on live in a perpetual state of guilt and demonize only the actions of whites to make up for us being such bad people. i don't know anything about the history of the middle east of Africa, but i bet they never had wars over territory or power. i bet only white people have the propensity to be that barbaric. thanks for setting all of us straight man. i really appreciate it. thanks for the opportunity to read your written word.
I said the forefathers. Don't put words in my mouth.
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I said the forefathers. Don't put words in my mouth.
no need to...you do a great job of being the board idiot all by yourself
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Not a chance in my opinion. They have Viking settlements on the Northeast coast, that pre date Columbus by 300-400 years.
I also think an ancient civilization/s have been to America.
Romans, Athenians, Persians, Egyptians, Chinese, Carthaginians etc.... Could have found America by mistake. Hell, even an Irish priest is said to have sailed to America before Columbus.
Happy Columbus day!
man, can't American Indians get credit for anything?
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man, can't American Indians get credit for anything?
I said it earlier. I mean "outsiders" to America. Of course the Indians were here first.
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Of course they wouldn't. You are a fool. Would you take information that would cause a worldwide paradigm shift and present it to the world if it would affect your people? Of course you wouldn't. You'd sweep under the rug like it's been the last 500 plus years.
Esoteric knowledge privy only to the clinically insane. Gotcha.
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Some excerpts to bolster my opinion.
There are some suggestions that the Sargasso Sea may have been known to Mediterranean peoples before Columbus. Although this area is still hundreds of miles from the Americas, it is in the west Atlantic and nearer to them than Europe or Africa, and does raise questions about the capabilities of Old World ships.
A poem by the late 4th century AD author, Rufus Festus Avienus, describes a portion of the Atlantic as being covered with seaweed, citing a now-lost account by the 5th-century BC Carthaginian explorer Himilco the Navigator. Christopher Columbus and his men also noted the Sargasso Sea, and brought reports of the masses of seaweed on the surface.[104]
The Arab geographer Muhammad al-Idrisi in his geographical text, Nuzhatul Mushtaq, appears to mention the Sargasso Sea, and possibly the Americas. This work is often cited by proponents of pre-Columbian Andalusian-American contact theories. Al-Idrisi wrote the following on the Atlantic Ocean:
"The Commander of the Muslims Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Tashfin sent his admiral Ahmad ibn Umar, better known under the name of Raqsh al-Auzz to attack a certain island in the Atlantic, but he died before doing that. [...] Beyond this ocean of fogs it is not known what exists there. Nobody has the sure knowledge of it, because it is very difficult to traverse it. Its atmosphere is foggy, its waves are very strong, its dangers are perilous, its beasts are terrible, and its winds are full of tempests. There are many islands, some of which are inhabited, others are submerged. No navigator traverses them but bypasses them remaining near their coast. [...] And it was from the town of Lisbon that the adventurers set out known under the name of Mughamarin [seduced ones], penetrated the ocean of fogs and wanted to know what it contained and where it ended. [...] After sailing for twelve more days they perceived an island that seemed to be inhabited, and there were cultivated fields. They sailed that way to see what it contained. But soon barques encircled them and made them prisoners, and transported them to a miserable hamlet situated on the coast. There they landed. The navigators saw there people with red skin; there was not much hair on their body, the hair of their head was straight, and they were of high stature. Their women were of an extraordinary beauty."
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It is a shame that quality threads lose steam so quickly. Is it all trannies and cutdowns?
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It is a shame that quality threads lose steam so quickly. Is it all trannies and cutdowns?
It got side tracked by the usual suspect. PFalcon needs to come and to tell us the natives didn't die of small pox but heme iron.
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It got side tracked by the usual suspect. PFalcon needs to come and to tell us the natives didn't die of small pox but heme iron.
They knew about buffalo wings far before the white man.
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I said it earlier. I mean "outsiders" to America. Of course the Indians were here first.
Yeah but they came from China / Tibet via the old land connection which vanished below sea level 12000 years ago
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What we have here as I've said is true history being unearthed and descendants of Europeans (You all in case you couldn't figure that out) fighting with all their might to keep shit hidden or try to debunk it because it destroys the little fairy tale called America and it shows how evil and barbaric your forefathers were and you don't like it. Deal with it. Cause it aint going away and neither am I. You'll be hearing alot more of this as time goes on. Your insults fall upon deaf ears or in this case blind eyes.
GAME OVER
Milton Percival Wiggins Esquire, what ancient Hebrew wisdoms would ameliorate a plague of pimples of the buttocks?
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Yeah but they came from China / Tibet via the old land connection which vanished below sea level 12000 years ago
Which makes this whole thing so awesome. All continents used to be connected. The fact that we all look different is a direct example of Darwin's theory . Each continent has its own look.
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Yeah but they came from China / Tibet via the old land connection which vanished below sea level 12000 years ago
Siberian region and researchers believe there might have been multiple waves of various groups coming to the Western Hemisphere over the course of thousands of years. Pretty interesting stuff.
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Siberian region and researchers believe there might have been multiple waves of various groups coming to the Western Hemisphere over the course of thousands of years. Pretty interesting stuff.
Man, I'm thinking of a Isley Brothers song...oh yeah...
"Atlantis"...
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Colombus was an evil bastard
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Colombus was an evil bastard
How so? Please give details. We would love to see them.
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How so? Please give details. We would love to see them.
Colombus was Columbus's evil twin.
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How so? Please give details. We would love to see them.
He allowed his mulatto navigator (among others) to help spread smallpox?
Apparently, he was a greedy inhumane person (to the Amerindians).
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How so? Please give details. We would love to see them.
Not trying to discredit u or anything but ill post stuff when my lunch break ends
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Not trying to discredit u or anything but ill post stuff when my lunch break ends
Not at all. I am not defending Columbus one way or the other. I made this thread to have a discussion amongst members.
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We should not lose wiggs to this bull shit.
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Not at all. I am not defending Columbus one way or the other. I made this thread to have a discussion amongst members.
What is considered moral can vary from age to age. Columbus acted in a manner that was common to his day.
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What is considered moral can vary from age to age. Columbus acted in a manner that was common to his day.
Agreed. It was over 500 years ago.
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Agreed. It was over 500 years ago.
Moral standards change with time. Not many people would consider beating your wife a good thing but it was common place in the not so distant past. It was actually considered the moral thing to do but few people would agree with that today.
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He allowed his mulatto navigator (among others) to help spread smallpox?
Apparently, he was a greedy inhumane person (to the Amerindians).
Columbus was ruthless as fuck in a time period when pretty much everybody was ruthless as fuck...he just had the power to back his shit up.
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Columbus was ruthless as fuck in a time period when pretty much everybody was ruthless as fuck...he just had the power to back his shit up.
I believed it was reported that he was a mean fuck and got pulled off his later voyages...the Indians should have note and spread the word, that this was the narrative of how it goes down with them Euro-Peans.
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The Red Man probably got jacked and leaned out on all that buffalo meat.
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The Red Man probably got jacked and leaned out on all that buffalo meat.
Actually there is some truth to that. American Indians were taller that the Euros. This was attributed to the high protein diets that they had..this was for the mainland Indians. As far as the Tiano and Arawak Indians, I don't know...
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Columbus was not first white man to discover America. Swede discovered America.
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Milton Percival Wiggins Esquire, what ancient Hebrew wisdoms would ameliorate a plague of pimples of the buttocks?
Wiggs brain must be preserved for future generations.
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The Nephilim discovered America.
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st brendan discovered america
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More on Colombus
Once again, it's time to celebrate Columbus Day. Yet, the stunning truth is: If Christopher Columbus were alive today, he would be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Columbus' reign of terror, as documented by noted historians, was so bloody, his legacy so unspeakably cruel, that Columbus makes a modern villain like Saddam Hussein look like a pale codfish.
Question: Why do we honor a man who, if he were alive today, would almost certainly be sitting on Death Row awaiting execution?
If you'd like to know the true story about Christopher Columbus, please read on. But I warn you, it's not for the faint of heart.
Here's the basics. On the second Monday in October each year, we celebrate Columbus Day (this year, it's on October 11th). We teach our school kids a cute little song that goes: "In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue." It's an American tradition, as American as pizza pie. Or is it? Surprisingly, the true story of Christopher Columbus has very little in common with the myth we all learned in school.
Columbus Day, as we know it in the United States, was invented by the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic fraternal service organization. Back in the 1930s, they were looking for a Catholic hero as a role-model their kids could look up to. In 1934, as a result of lobbying by the Knights of Columbus, Congress and President Franklin Roosevelt signed Columbus Day into law as a federal holiday to honor this courageous explorer. Or so we thought.
There are several problems with this. First of all, Columbus wasn't the first European to discover America. As we all know, the Viking, Leif Ericson probably founded a Norse village on Newfoundland some 500 years earlier. So, hat's off to Leif. But if you think about it, the whole concept of discovering America is, well, arrogant. After all, the Native Americans discovered North America about 14,000 years before Columbus was even born! Surprisingly, DNA evidence now suggests that courageous Polynesian adventurers sailed dugout canoes across the Pacific and settled in South America long before the Vikings.
Second, Columbus wasn't a hero. When he set foot on that sandy beach in the Bahamas on October 12, 1492, Columbus discovered that the islands were inhabited by friendly, peaceful people called the Lucayans, Taínos and Arawaks. Writing in his diary, Columbus said they were a handsome, smart and kind people. He noted that the gentle Arawaks were remarkable for their hospitality. "They offered to share with anyone and when you ask for something, they never say no," he said. The Arawaks had no weapons; their society had neither criminals, prisons nor prisoners. They were so kind-hearted that Columbus noted in his diary that on the day the Santa Maria was shipwrecked, the Arawaks labored for hours to save his crew and cargo. The native people were so honest that not one thing was missing.
Columbus was so impressed with the hard work of these gentle islanders, that he immediately seized their land for Spain and enslaved them to work in his brutal gold mines. Within only two years, 125,000 (half of the population) of the original natives on the island were dead.
If I were a Native American, I would mark October 12, 1492, as a black day on my calendar.
Shockingly, Columbus supervised the selling of native girls into sexual slavery. Young girls of the ages 9 to 10 were the most desired by his men. In 1500, Columbus casually wrote about it in his log. He said: "A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."
He forced these peaceful natives work in his gold mines until they died of exhaustion. If an "Indian" worker did not deliver his full quota of gold dust by Columbus' deadline, soldiers would cut off the man's hands and tie them around his neck to send a message. Slavery was so intolerable for these sweet, gentle island people that at one point, 100 of them committed mass suicide. Catholic law forbade the enslavement of Christians, but Columbus solved this problem. He simply refused to baptize the native people of Hispaniola.
On his second trip to the New World, Columbus brought cannons and attack dogs. If a native resisted slavery, he would cut off a nose or an ear. If slaves tried to escape, Columbus had them burned alive. Other times, he sent attack dogs to hunt them down, and the dogs would tear off the arms and legs of the screaming natives while they were still alive. If the Spaniards ran short of meat to feed the dogs, Arawak babies were killed for dog food.
Columbus' acts of cruelty were so unspeakable and so legendary - even in his own day - that Governor Francisco De Bobadilla arrested Columbus and his two brothers, slapped them into chains, and shipped them off to Spain to answer for their crimes against the Arawaks. But the King and Queen of Spain, their treasury filling up with gold, pardoned Columbus and let him go free.
One of Columbus' men, Bartolome De Las Casas, was so mortified by Columbus' brutal atrocities against the native peoples, that he quit working for Columbus and became a Catholic priest. He described how the Spaniards under Columbus' command cut off the legs of children who ran from them, to test the sharpness of their blades. According to De Las Casas, the men made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half. He says that Columbus' men poured people full of boiling soap. In a single day, De Las Casas was an eye witness as the Spanish soldiers dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 native people. "Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight as no age can parallel," De Las Casas wrote. "My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature that now I tremble as I write."
De Las Casas spent the rest of his life trying to protect the helpless native people. But after a while, there were no more natives to protect. Experts generally agree that before 1492, the population on the island of Hispaniola probably numbered above 3 million. Within 20 years of Spanish arrival, it was reduced to only 60,000. Within 50 years, not a single original native inhabitant could be found.
In 1516, Spanish historian Peter Martyr wrote: "... a ship without compass, chart, or guide, but only following the trail of dead Indians who had been thrown from the ships could find its way from the Bahamas to Hispaniola."
Christopher Columbus derived most of his income from slavery, De Las Casas noted. In fact, Columbus was the first slave trader in the Americas. As the native slaves died off, they were replaced with black slaves. Columbus' son became the first African slave trader in 1505.
Are you surprised you never learned about any of this in school? I am too. Why do we have this extraordinary gap in our American ethos? Columbus himself kept detailed diaries, as did some of his men including De Las Casas and Michele de Cuneo. (If you don't believe me, just Google the words Columbus, sex slave, and gold mine.)
Columbus' reign of terror is one of the darkest chapters in our history. The REAL question is: Why do we celebrate a holiday in honor of this man? (Take three deep breaths. If you're like me, your stomach is heaving at this point. I'm sorry. Sometimes the truth hurts. That said, I'd like to turn in a more positive direction.)
Call me crazy, but I think holidays ought to honor people who are worthy of our admiration, true heroes who are positive role models for our children. If we're looking for heroes we can truly admire, I'd like to offer a few candidates. Foremost among them are school kids.
Let me tell you about some school kids who are changing the world. I think they are worthy of a holiday. My friend Nan Peterson is the director of the Blake School, a K-12 school in Minnesota. She recently visited Kenya. Nan says there are 33 million people in Kenya... and 11 million of them are orphans! Can you imagine that? She went to Kibera, the slum outside Nairobi, and a boy walked up to her and handed her a baby. He said: My father died. My mother died... and I'm not feeling so good myself. Here, take my sister. If I die, they will throw her into the street to die.
There are so many orphans in Kenya, the baby girls are throwaways!
Nan visited an orphanage for girls. The girls were starving to death. They had one old cow that only gave one cup of milk a day. So each girl only got ONE TEASPOON of milk a day!
After this heartbreaking experience, Nan went home to her school in Minnesota and asked the kids... what can we do? The kids got the idea to make homemade paper and sell it to buy a cow. So they made a bunch of paper, and sold the paper, and when they were done they had enough money to buy... FOUR COWS! And enough food to feed all of the cows for ONE FULL YEAR! These are kids... from 6 years old to 18... saving the lives of kids halfway around the world. And I thought: If a 6-year-old could do that... what could I do?
At Casady School in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, seemingly "average" school kids raised $20,000 to dig clean water wells for children in Ethiopia. These kids are heroes. Why don't we celebrate "Kids Who Are Changing the Planet" Day?
Let me ask you a question: Would we celebrate Columbus Day if the story of Christopher Columbus were told from the point-of-view of his victims? No way!
The truth about Columbus is going to be a hard pill for some folks to swallow. Please, don't think I'm picking on Catholics. All the Catholics I know are wonderful people. I don't want to take away their holiday or their hero. But if we're looking for a Catholic our kids can admire, the Catholic church has many, many amazing people we could name a holiday after. How about Mother Teresa day? Or St. Francis of Assisi day? Or Betty Williams day (another Catholic Nobel Peace Prize winner). These men and women are truly heroes of peace, not just for Catholics, but for all of us.
Let's come clean. Let's tell the truth about Christopher Columbus. Let's boycott this outrageous holiday because it honors a mass murderer. If we skip the cute song about "In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue," I don't think our first graders will miss it much, do you? True, Columbus' brutal treatment of peaceful Native Americans was so horrific... maybe we should hide the truth about Columbus until our kids reach at least High School age. Let's teach it to them about the same time we tell them about the Nazi death camps.
While we're at it, let's rewrite our history books. From now on, instead of glorifying the exploits of mass murderers like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, and Napoleon Bonaparte, let's teach our kids about true heroes, men and women of courage and kindness who devoted their lives to the good of others. There's a long list, starting with Florence Nightingale, Mahatma Gandhi, Rev. Martin Luther King, and John F. Kennedy.
These people were not adventurers who "discovered" an island in the Caribbean. They were noble souls who discovered what is best in the human spirit.
Why don't we create a holiday to replace Columbus Day?