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Getbig Female Info Boards => Figure, Bikini and Fitness Info and Discussions => Topic started by: gettinhuge on December 31, 2005, 10:35:51 PM
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First welcome to 2006 I hope it gives you better Joy than 2005. Anout a year ago I had this discussion with a freind of mine about why when Mags like flex Magazine or others do a spred of Fitness and figure ladies in there photo shoots its all white with Titles like hoy Divas or the most finest women in lingerie and they are all white.....like there no women of color to place in there yet when i see there boths at mr o or the Arnold they want my support. Dont get me wrong i beleive all women are hott and thats just it all women....where is your variety...no where just recently Flex did a lingerie spread and they had fitness figure and ecen women from WWE yet no were black asian maybe Latino but its hard to tell when there are latino women who die there hair and make sure that their appearence dosen't look too latino...Its like back in the Forty when only real light skin women of color was allowed to act on film with white actors becuase they was able to pass moreso for white than black...like the movie "Imatation of life"......Give women of color a chance aswell. let me here it ladies what do you say about this.
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I think that because of the small percentage of competitors that actually make it into FLEX spreads, combined with the small percentage of competitors/models of a non-white race, the odds are so minimal that you rarely see them in the Mags. Although, Alicia Denson is making her mark now that she's signed with Weider. Anna Level has been in quite a few times, as have Lisa Lowe and Stacy Simons. You also have to consider that the athlete might not be aggresively marketing themselves to get into the magazines. I've been trying for 3 years and haven't made it yet! :)
And on a personal note, I don't think that just because a woman is a particular race/ethnicity that she deserves to be in the mags moreso than another... there are plenty of beautiful, hardworking women in the industry. Heck, I think we all deserve to be in the mags, but that's in a perfect world!
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Well you mentioned Athletes well in the percentage I looked at and to most of the competetive women of color I have spoken with the market there ass off and no account......Its been along time since Lisa lowe step of the stage and one of the reason she left is becuase they was looking for the big implants girl when she competed and this before figure came into play. When Muscular Development changed their mag from the all natural to what they have now the layouts started with women layouts...none of these women competed. Like I said the last layout had WWE stars up in there. You metioned women of color from as far back as 1998 when they had modonna Grimes on there. its now 2006.
I think its crap.....what these photogeaphers are doing its eye candy for males for us to buy the mags a good percentage of these women are approached how often are they women of color approached.
And im not saying that a women should get it becuase of color but you mean to tell me the criteria you set to choose a women only women that fit the profile are white......come on
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And im not saying that a women should get it becuase of color but you mean to tell me the criteria you set to choose a women only women that fit the profile are white......come on
Um, that just confused me even more, lol. And I said nothing of the sort - I believe you put those words in my mouth.
The whole race and gender thing came up when I joined the Army, too. To get rank as an NCO, you have to submit a photo and profile - why should that even matter if they are looking at leadership skills? Because they HAVE to choose so many women, so many blacks, so many hispanics, etc. It doesn't matter if there are 50 white males who've qualified for a position, they will get the shaft so the Army can meet their race and gender quota. My point is, our society has tried so hard not to be race-biased, that often times less qualified personnel get a job over the highly-qualified and rightfully-deserving applicant. (It's simple mathematics that if you have 10 "X" applicants and 60 "Y" applicants, a "Y" will more than likely get picked.)
There have been many successful models, politicians, celebrities, etc of EVERY race, and many of the most talented have been black, hispanic, or for lack of a better term, "non-white."
And about the names I listed, there is a layout on flexonline.com right now with Lisa and Stacy. (OT, I know why Lisa retired, but what's that have to do with this topic?) And you failed to comment on Alicia Denson, who is in every mag almost every month, and just got an Oxygen cover this month. A few months before that, Mocha Lee graced Oxygen's cover. I also just remembered that Alexis Ellis just had a spread in IronMan not too long ago. Tanji Johnson also had a spread in one of the Flex lingerie/swimsuit issues earlier this year.
And finally, you or I will never know how often certain women are/aren't approached. You or I will never know "how hard" anybody markets themselves. Some people get lucky breaks because they "have a certain look" and if that isn't subjective, I don't know what is. Some people just use racism to start arguments where racism was never even an issue.
I'm white, I'm trying to get into the mags... maybe I don't have "the look." But since I'm white, and mostly white women grace the mags, I can't use racism as a reason why I haven't gotten in the mags yet. Maybe it's because I'm blonde, or a redhead, or because I have implants? You see where I'm going with this, how ridiculous it can sound and how out of hand it can get? If you allow yourself, you can come up with a million and one reasons why black women aren't in the fitness mags, and racism is the best argument, which is probably why it comes up so often.
If you and other men want to see other women as eye candy in the mags, then you should speak up and write the editors. They won't make a change if they don't see a problem. So get your butt out there and send your emails to the editors, and get other guys to do the same. Fight for what you want to see, and hopefully you'll get it.
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Just check out who's on the COVER of the newest Oxygen magazine ;)
Lena
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Just check out who's on the COVER of the newest Oxygen magazine ;)
Lena
One Im proud that alicia Marie is on that cover, but that is not the venue im speaking of.....im talking the mags I read the layouts that have been out way before oxygen...the spreads that when sold to males speaks about sexy and sultryness those are the layout im speaking of.
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Secondly as to you fit figure and the whole thing about this qouta....I have served 15 years in the USMC I now i work in and with corporate america...you speak on qualifyingas if racial inequalities evaporated after the civil rights bill. Im sorry but as a white women of course you will never recognize raceism and blatin overlooking of someone.....just recently ambercrombie and finch was cited for racial tactics in there hiring prefrence but that just a tid bit on corporate america doing its thing especially to women.
And please I dont read Oxygen Im talking of the Mags I see Flex, Planet Muscle.
Im not ripping you but i really dont think you understand what being in a society that talks one way and does another...when these type of practice are not geared towards you....In other words when was raceism done to you...but i do think you may understand gender inequality.
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I agree its not a whole lot of them, but I know Lisa Lowe and Stacy Simmons have been in sexy lingerie layouts in FLEX..........Amber Littlejohn (mix) in Ironamn magazine's Hardbody.......Lenda Murray a LOT in her prime!! All beautiful ladies IMO!! :)
I think you should write to the publications and let them know.........at least it doesn't hurt ;)
Lena
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Bottom line is that racism still exsits and the editors of the mags are white men that control who gets in the mags (blonde hair, blue eyes).
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Not always true... I am not white nor blonde with blue eyes and I have gotten quite a bit of coverage...it all depends on your look and how you go about promoting yourself
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Not always true... I am not white nor blonde with blue eyes and I have gotten quite a bit of coverage...it all depends on your look and how you go about promoting yourself
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lol Alex...you gave me white hair
happy new year
xoxox
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lol Alex...you gave me white hair
happy new year
xoxox
and blue eyes ;)
Good Luck! Krasavica :-*
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i look like a freak
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Secondly as to you fit figure and the whole thing about this qouta....I have served 15 years in the USMC I now i work in and with corporate america...you speak on qualifyingas if racial inequalities evaporated after the civil rights bill. Im sorry but as a white women of course you will never recognize raceism and blatin overlooking of someone.....just recently ambercrombie and finch was cited for racial tactics in there hiring prefrence but that just a tid bit on corporate america doing its thing especially to women.
And please I dont read Oxygen Im talking of the Mags I see Flex, Planet Muscle.
Im not ripping you but i really dont think you understand what being in a society that talks one way and does another...when these type of practice are not geared towards you....In other words when was raceism done to you...but i do think you may understand gender inequality.
I'm sure you are right in that I will never be able to relate to that situation. However, I do know that if one has a problem with something, they should act to change that, instead of just complain.
Flex hardly features ANY women anymore... and the only women they primarily feature are those with M&F/Weider contracts... most of the women are the same that have been in the mags for years now.
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Not always true... I am not white nor blonde with blue eyes and I have gotten quite a bit of coverage...it all depends on your look and how you go about promoting yourself
100% agreed, and you've done a fantastic job of marketing yourself, Dina.
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i look like a freak
No.........................
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I'm sure you are right in that I will never be able to relate to that situation. However, I do know that if one has a problem with something, they should act to change that, instead of just complain.
Flex hardly features ANY women anymore... and the only women they primarily feature are those with M&F/Weider contracts... most of the women are the same that have been in the mags for years now.
One i just dont complain I do take action...when pump magazine came out and I subcribe the mags was fill of it....but i not only complained that these were all just white women but they wasnt even fitness or figure personalities that made me even more upset.
I have written flex more than one time.
when I wrote muscular development they told me no need to worry becuase it will not be part of there magazine anymore and i look and its true.
But i want to hear from more women of color who is trying to make it in this industry....we herd from Dina i want more input.
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I think you ladies who actually compete do not even think about color lines. You guys are great. However, The Men!!! That controll the images that we see in the mags and on T.V. are older Whte men. I can't blame them for what they like. For instance Hugh Heff owner of Playboy. He likes what he likes. Some day we will all see more of a variety, but for now we have a way to go.
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Start your own magazine and put whoever the hell you want in it.
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Maybe you're only reading B&W magazines
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Start your own magazine and put whoever the hell you want in it.
The genuis..... ::) ???
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yeesh...why does everyone sugar coat stuff..
its cause most white girls are hotter than most black girls...
almost universally lighter skin is considered more attractive than darker skin...big deal..they put in them mags what sells...
and apparently it does...
proof n the pudding yanno...
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Latisha had a breakout year last year, but the on;y girls that are in the mags are Monica, Jenny L. and Davana....WTF???
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just cause a girl looks good on stage doesn't mean they photograpgh well Mike
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i should preface my responce with.."i haven't really bought a bbing mag in eons"
i really dont think i can even say i bodybuild..i just work out..and then not even consistently...owell..i'm in love with myself anyhoo :D... :-\
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yeesh...why does everyone sugar coat stuff..
its cause most white girls are hotter than most black girls...
It's not that everyone is sugarcoating.
Not everyone is a racist wanna-be-white guy like you.
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It's not that everyone is sugarcoating.
Not everyone is a racist wanna-be-white guy like you.
sigh CQ..my intention ws not to get anyone mad...i'm a brown guy...from Pg county MD..the most populated black place in the USA!
guys..remember..my opinions are gonna be based on my prior life experiences and my close knit culture...which teaches me what is attractive...
what i said above IS TRUE...what i wasn't singling out black women..ok FINE brown women dont get to be at the forefront either right ???...or at least the dark ones dont...
sooo my comments anguish catharsis right???..hmmm...i'm still right...
why???
look at the fucking pudding ..
the magazines..
the majority of models....
what colour are they??? ohhh they r white....well why??? fucking WHY??
answer me CQ...
aww are all the models white cause everyone is racist and wants to be white???lmao..
yeesh..that only works on liberal white folks..
as i said.
i'm brown...
being less fuckable is not the worst thing out there...GET OVER IT
OR STOP CONFORMING TO WESTERM IDEALS
idiots...gimme heartburn >:(
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I am alot more interested in seeing a beautiful sexy white woman over a black woman anyday. Except for the types that look like Halle Berry or are as sexy. They need that cute face and alot of Black Woman in my opinion have that Amarosa look and kind of have that attitude like she is all that. A sexy white chick has that innocent look and are flat out more sexy looking.
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I am alot more interested in seeing a beautiful sexy white woman over a black woman anyday.
no you r not..you r a racist wanna be white guy...
unless if you r already white...
you like white girls more than black girls..<GASP> HOW DARE YOU.
you r a racist..we have now established that...
political correctness in the US wants a world without bias...are you fucking kidding me???
its HUMAN nature...god forbid i went around liking everyone..i'd have to immediately remove myself from my presence..
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I don't think he's racist. He just has a preferences such as blonde vs. red.
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I don't think he's racist. He just has a preferences such as blonde vs. red.
i find most asian chicks ugly also..
i dont hear the chinkeys :D complaining when i say that...
and thanx GB 8)
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i think we should notify al sharpton on this issue!!!! hold on i got rev. jackson on the other line brb
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i find most asian chicks ugly also..
i dont hear the chinkeys :D complaining when i say that...
LMAO!!!!
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i find most asian chicks ugly also..
i dont hear the chinkeys :D complaining when i say that...
and thanx GB 8)
Must be referring to chinese chicks? Racism is still alive no doubt, but to think this statement is coming from a 'brown guy' is interesting.
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well chris yeah i do mean chinese women..koreans girls..well the rare ones can be pretty...
and why would be it interesting coming from a brown dude(well i admit..most paki girls are ugly...well they r either ugly or extremly hot)...i have no qualms about who i find fuckable and who i dont....its not racism..i have blakc friends..and some black chicks that are friends...
except i dont wanna sleep with em...so that makes me racist? ???
btw..
me
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WHAT COLOR WERE U LOOKING FOR? LENDA MURRAY IS AFRICAN AMERICAN, DOES THAT COUNT? LOLOLOL
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color or not color ?? uhmmm thats is the question i don't think it matters anyways u need the body and charisma to make it !!! not the color.. ;D
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is the plural of Anus anni?
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.and how do ya think i got to 10,000 posts! :D
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Aloha all,
People always ask me, how did i get my start in modeling for the fitness mags 8 yrs ago.
Well here is my short story:
MY name is Sasha Ogata,
I Started modeling at the young age of 17, Yes 17.
I always wanted to model, for my older sister was a model. So i did everything i had to do to perfect my look and my body.
By the time i was 21 i was looking pretty fucking hot, so i became a Stripper. I now work in Las Vegas. SO now i have two jobs that require me to Keep healthy and fit.
When i was in my 30's i was modelling for a few different adult websites- and a well know photographer saw my on the net and tried to contact me for months, but my photographer that i was working with at the time, did not want to give my where abouts to this new photographer. SO after many months of looking , he found me at the gym.
I took a few shots with him, he sent my pics to a few Muscle mag's and i got published within 3 months of my test shoot.
The rest is history.
I have been published in the fitness world now for the last 8 yrs. I don't see myself slowing down anytime soon. I have been very lucky that i have a huge fan base. I am lucky that there is people out there that think out of the normal box that people want to try and keep us all in.
I have made my dreams come true..................I never let anyone tell me NO !
I knew I could model, I knew that I was the only one that was going to make this happen, so I put my best face forward and hit the gym. I turn 42 yrs old this March, and i dont see myself slowing down any time soon.
Now I am a International Cover Model, I have worked in T.V and in movies.
So no matter what your dream maybe, Dont let anyone tell you NO.
Sasha Ogata
I try my best with what i have given myself. Well I sure do want to thank all my doctors also....lol.....
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i think the above just about makes as the most concieted post on getbig...
..not that thats a bad thing! :D
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Toxic----you got to 10,000 post cause you dont have a fucking life.
Your on this site all day trying to fill your time cause you dont have anyone else to talk to.
You think cause you have 10,000 plus post your better then most. I for 1 dont see it that way. most people would agree with me, on this.
You need to get out of your house and off the PC and get into the real world. WHo the hell cares how many post they have...
what a life, lets worry about how many post we have on getbig....lol
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I just proved my point, toxic , your waiting on your pc right now, trying to find a way you can post something...lol
People of get big---- this is some funny shit.
Toxic ,, you have the life.....sit on your ass all day, waiting for someone to post something you can comment about...
Well maybe this was your dream come true.....lol, add your comments, and being mean to me on getbig... and feel somewhat important to yourself.....lol...clasi c.....
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I just proved my point, toxic , your waiting on your pc right now, trying to find a way you can post something...lol
People of get big---- this is some funny shit.
Toxic ,, you have the life.....sit on your ass all day, waiting for someone to post something you can comment about...
Well maybe this was your dream come true.....lol, add your comments, and being mean to me on getbig... and feel somewhat important to yourself.....lol...clasi c.....
good lord i ws making a joke....lol...
plus i teach computer networking classes..soo sitting on my ass in front of a computer is kinda necessary...
plus..despite my job..i'm independently wealthy..i have the option of not working at all ever(inheritance!)...if i so chose..soo sitting on my ass is kinda a luxury.. :D
take a joke will ya...
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Toxic----you got to 10,000 post cause you dont have a fucking life.
Your on this site all day trying to fill your time cause you dont have anyone else to talk to.
You think cause you have 10,000 plus post your better then most. I for 1 dont see it that way. most people would agree with me, on this.
You need to get out of your house and off the PC and get into the real world. WHo the hell cares how many post they have...
what a life, lets worry about how many post we have on getbig....lol
meltdown! ;D
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So i guess my point is true....
why are you so mean to me, not that i care so much.
But if you dont know me, why so much hate for me.....
your opion is yours to voice, thats kool. but your nothing but mean to anyone that you dont deem normal in your eyes..
Seems to me, No matter how much money people have they always seem to have a opion about something that they themselves dont understand, or accept.
Not everything in this world, is Black and white. there always is a gray area.
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hey hey hey...i didn't say anything about not finding you normal ...yeesh woman...
all i said ws that your post ws concieted..and i said that as a joke....hate for you?? i dont hate ya....i dont even know ya...i just read your post and made a comment and i put a cheesy smile in my reply to tel ya i ws kidding..
i'm much meaner to Dina...but she knows i'm just playing and takes it in stride..calling ya concieted isn't all that bad now is it?
hell i joke around with everyone on here..
chill out...
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Just to let you all know , I'm so not the type of girl to brag about myself.
I have lived most my life trying to help others.
So if you have any question about trying to get started in the fitness modeling world, holla at me and i will try and answer your questions the best that I can.
No one is stopping your dreams from comming true, but you.
aloha sasha
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lol i'm a guy sasha..if i tried to fitness model i'd have to kick my own ass...HARD! ...i wus kidding ..i wus kidding woman...i expected ya to come back with "so what if i'm bragging about myself" etc etc...
ayeeee... where is the smack myself in the head smiley when i need it....
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Dont worry about it toxic-
I hope this will help other women to post on here.
we need more women on this site, that will speak out on what they believe.
aloha sasha
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Dont worry about it toxic-
I hope this will help other women to post on here.
we need more women on this site, that will speak out on what they believe.
aloha sasha
i'm drinking a saint pauli's girl right now..i have 4 more to go..soo i'm pretty friggin estatic right now ;D
and yes we do need more vagi..umm women on this board...
k that ws a joke..
see how i do that :D
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Your to funny. ;D
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alright here is a little secret on how to make your poop turn green..its awesome...its festive poopy!
works with purple gatorade also!! ;D
http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Dye/dye.html
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Ok......not even gonna bother.....
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Bottom line is that racism still exsits and the editors of the mags are white men that control who gets in the mags (blonde hair, blue eyes).
Yes, Michael, but it's a deeper issue than that.
From a pure numbers standpoint, what is the breakdown of total white vs. non-white female competitors?
I would think there would alot more white women than non-white and that being the case, the proportionate number would be white.
You can't really force magazines to display women they don't feel would help promote their magazine or help it sell. That's basic economics. If I was the owner of a magazine I would put women on the cover that I found attractive, and who I thought my core base would like also. It's a subjective judgement, nothing that can be argued in terms of racial politics.
DIV
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bingo!
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Hole in one !
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You can't really force magazines to display women they don't feel would help promote their magazine or help it sell. That's basic economics. If I was the owner of a magazine I would put women on the cover that I found attractive, and who I thought my core base would like also. It's a subjective judgment, nothing that can be argued in terms of racial politics.
Reality is what it is.
These magazines exist to sell ads and subscriptions so that they can remain in business. They're not here to promote any socio-economic equality - that's not their agenda.
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Hole in one !
So Sasha Your saying women of color cannot sell magazine that there portrayl the white owners of what is a great looking women is white is always right and profitable.....SAsha you Dont look so white to me you my blond streak your hair all day but you will never be white...Put that hole in your one!
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Im saying if you take a magazine and you look at all the covers that they have done in 12 months, mst of the covers will be of white people. They will have few Covers with people of any color. How many Asian,Black,Indian, women/men do you see on the covers of any fitness magazine? I would have to say not many. I have had a few covers in my life, and im very happy that i got them, but there are only a few women of color on covers every year....
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they dont want white girls hurt by lack of round juicy booties that their chocolate sisters have!!! there are plenty of sexy women of color in fitness, figure, and bb and high rankers but.........
someone said earlier they will not risk offended someone to have to look at a minority and jeopardize sales. whatever....SHOW ME THE COLOR!!!!!
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I love exotic women with a edge.......
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Simple answer is that generally they sure is ugly.
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Reality is what it is.
These magazines exist to sell ads and subscriptions so that they can remain in business. They're not here to promote any socio-economic equality - that's not their agenda.
I think that is bascially what I said, TreDogg.
It's business over personal.......
The bottom line.
DIV
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I think you both right....
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BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF BUYERS OF THE MAGS PREFER WHITE GIRLS.
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So I just hit the mag rack at the grocery store tonight. The Flex swimsuit issue is fantastic and it features 2 absolutely adorable "women of color" (Tanji Johnson and Stacy Simons). I guess they're starting to get more exposure after all. Looking good girls!
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I just got that issue also...
Great cover, the girls look awesome... ;D
Im so glad that they are using more women of color.... :-*
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Notice where the "hot and symmetrical sistas" thread is..........
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Notice where the "hot and symmetrical sistas" thread is..........
Yes I did
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Yes I did
And before that.... it was on the G&O board.
If memory serves, that thread was around along with an ass pics thead before the sex board.
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I wanted to make some points about this subject since I never did when it was being discussed.
The issue about what I'll describe as shade skin women versus very light skin women goes back to the height of magazine sales in the modern fitness era of the 2nd half of the 90's. The magazines have always leaned towards the stereotype of female paleskin "hotties" only being beautiful when reality is not what the image is. We all know who were on the covers of Muscle&Fitness, MuscleMag, Oxygen, and other real fitness related publications. There were some exceptions to the repeated cycle of monthly models on magazine covers. I'm not afraid to say that women with dark complections were discouraged from being placed on the front cover. I'm saying that the fear of taking that chance made it hard to do that very often. Just look at how I'm describing certain fitness ladies as shade skin women basically because I don't want to stick to the tired label of calling them black or african-american. Honestly, why would the term black or "A-A" be applied to someone such as the second Fitness Olympia champion who is Danish. Compare other fitness beauties who look similar to who I just referred to and understand the truth about the actual color of skin versus the ugly word that is said when contrasted with the word that is colorless.
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The cover is the most important page of a magazine. That is how you lure people at the paper store.
All magazines will put what they think will sell the most mags on the cover.
If anyone has a problem with this, they need to work against racism in the society. Not trying to make magazines making cover who will sell less.
YIP
Zack
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The cover is the most important page of a magazine. That is how you lure people at the paper store.
All magazines will put what they think will sell the most mags on the cover.
If anyone has a problem with this, they need to work against racism in the society. Not trying to make magazines making cover who will sell less.
YIP
Zack
Another thing besides that is that there are indeed certain requests that are made by some of the big name photographers and publishers that just have to be granted based on doing what it really takes to get the media exposure you want in this selfish industry.
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I think the problem is not the magazines, but the people who buy them. If women with orange skin sold more magazines, most women on the magazines would be orange. Call it what you like but its what the society in this day and age is lured to. Most women who dye their hair dye it what color? Blonde, right? The cool thing about society is that its slowly changing its idea of beauty. Look at people nowadays. Women and men get burnt under the sun trying to get darker skin tones.
I am not involved in bodybuilding or anything so I cannot vouch for this first hand, but from what I see in the forums, and magazines it seems as if bodybuilding is one of the least racist sports. In football until recently it was a big deal if there was a black qb. They would cast doubt on their abilities and so on. Look at bodybuilding, even though Sergio spoke about racism he was still Mr. Olympia in the late 60's. How many other sports had a non white champion at that time?
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I think the problem is not the magazines, but the people who buy them. If women with orange skin sold more magazines, most women on the magazines would be orange. Call it what you like but its what the society in this day and age is lured to. Most women who dye their hair dye it what color? Blonde, right? The cool thing about society is that its slowly changing its idea of beauty. Look at people nowadays. Women and men get burnt under the sun trying to get darker skin tones.
I am not involved in bodybuilding or anything so I cannot vouch for this first hand, but from what I see in the forums, and magazines it seems as if bodybuilding is one of the least racist sports. In football until recently it was a big deal if there was a black qb. They would cast doubt on their abilities and so on. Look at bodybuilding, even though Sergio spoke about racism he was still Mr. Olympia in the late 60's. How many other sports had a non white champion at that time?
The look that made the magazines push the envelope appropriately was during the modern years when the FAP champions got exposure as well as when the number one so called blond became the best model in the swimsuit issues of FLEX and other publications. That image got taken to a excessive level by others who just couldn't pull off the same yellowish look that one person perfected. That might prove that one bright color of a model isn't always the best looking.
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I hope I won't be the last person to talk about this discussion ???
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I hope I won't be the last person to talk about this discussion ???
What else is there to say?
The people who promote certain products have the right to decide 1) whom they wish to market to and 2) how they want to do it. When the diet/nutritional supplement industry decides that the non-White market is worth pursuing, then you'll begin to see more women of color (Blacks, Latinas, Asians, etc) pushing those products.
What's stopping Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Alex Rodriguez or Michelle Wie, etc. from using their resources to start such a company? That's a hypothetical, of course, but even though there are many people of all races in the (competitive) fitness industry, diet products are marketed primarily to Whites.
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There is nothing necessary wrong with having any number of shade color women on a cover or in the centerfold spreads as long as they are attractive and good looking and that magazine sells as many copies as it could.
On the other side of that, there aren't many who can pull off that labeled blond yellow look like one or two or three or more fitness females who try to take it to a sick extreme.
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The only black people who gets covers, are those who looks whitey.
Ie, Tyra Banks, Halle Berry (Is she black?), et al.
YIP
Zack
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This was a great topic and I hope nobody got uncomfortable reading it based on what colors are beautiful 8)
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Sasha congrats on your recent Centerfold in the JAN-07 American Curves magazine.
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Now, let me give you the definitive answer to this. There are actually a few reasons why we don't use more ethnic women in the mags, specifically T'n'A mags.
1. There just aren't that many out there approaching photographers to get in shoots.
2. The industry in dominated by white girls, and they are the popluar ones we want in the mags. If the top 5 were black, then THEY would be the ones in the mags.
3. We don't stop ANYONE from being in the mags, but we don't hunt them down either, mainly we work with people that come to us.
There is no conspiracy or racial tones to why more ethinic women don't appear in the mags, in the end it's what the readers want, and 99% want what you see every month.
And Dina was right, she isn't white, blonde OR blue eyed, and she has been in almost more than anyone! :)
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right from the horses mouth ( well MMI's).. thanks for chiming in Jeff and letting everyone know what the truth is.
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The only black people who gets covers, are those who looks whitey.
Ie, Tyra Banks, Halle Berry (Is she black?), et al.
YIP
Zack
WHAT??? LOL...
I don't "looks whitey." ???
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WHAT??? LOL...
I don't "looks whitey." ???
Do you straighten your hair?
If yes, then you're trying to fit the "whitey" mold to some degree IMHO.
No offence mate. I think Erykah Badu looks awesome, she doesn't straighten her hair.
-Hedge
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Alicia definitely doesnt look caucasian.. sorry the whitey term just makes me cringe. She is a beautiful exotic and ethnic looking woman, and yes I am sure that her heritage is mixed .. just as is mine... but you cannot mistake her for being white
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Alicia definitely doesnt look caucasian.. sorry the whitey term just makes me cringe. She is a beautiful exotic and ethnic looking woman, and yes I am sure that her heritage is mixed .. just as is mine... but you cannot mistake her for being white
Yeah like whatever for the white black thing...but...um...dinas picture gives me teh Boner...
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i hope it is a major one... always glad to be of service :P
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i hope it is a major one... always glad to be of service :P
Yeah i can send a pic if you want..im just tryin to get the panaramic view on my camera
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lovely please
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Dina is FIERCE!!!
There is no one out there that has that gaze like you, girl!!!
FIRE!
:) am
p.s. yep, im of mixed background...but, like Dii said, no mistaking!!
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I think Bronx brings up an important point that I first learned from Skip LaCour.
People think that the Mags "go looking for models" once they have won a contest or there has been some "buzz" about them. That is rare, indeed.
Opportunities are CREATED by the athlete and/or her agent AND usually at their own expense.
While there are occasional models that are "in demand", more often than not the athlete has to create their own photo ops.
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Now, let me give you the definitive answer to this. There are actually a few reasons why we don't use more ethnic women in the mags, specifically T'n'A mags.
1. There just aren't that many out there approaching photographers to get in shoots.
2. The industry in dominated by white girls, and they are the popluar ones we want in the mags. If the top 5 were black, then THEY would be the ones in the mags.
3. We don't stop ANYONE from being in the mags, but we don't hunt them down either, mainly we work with people that come to us.
There is no conspiracy or racial tones to why more ethinic women don't appear in the mags, in the end it's what the readers want, and 99% want what you see every month.
And Dina was right, she isn't white, blonde OR blue eyed, and she has been in almost more than anyone! :)
I think what you said sums it up very well because there is no need to be controversial. The best looking models are the ones that should be appearing in the pages of muscle magazines regardless of your ethnicity. I've seen a certain amount of diversity and that is realistic because there are minorities that got exposure in a number of major magazines that probably did sell very well during the time when pro fitness became exceptionally explicit with all the sexercise that was shown.
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WOW!!!! I posted this in December of 05 and it is still going on.....that says alot....now i have read alot of the post and one thing i have noticed is that when an example of a non white women in mags come all i see is Dina's name which she is well deserving of but what happens when she fully retires just replace her with one or a few more ethnic women.....since 05 it has moved a maybe an inch in my opinion but again thats just one Black mans opinion....lol...get it remeber ronnie said about...ahhhhhh forget it you guys are the greatest.......I love this sport and lifestyle.......
Hey Dina I would to treat you to an elegant dinner and night on the town...SKYS THE LIMIT...I know how you like to do it BIG....what ya say....
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WOW!!!! I posted this in December of 05 and it is still going on.....that says alot....now i have read alot of the post and one thing i have noticed is that when an example of a non white women in mags come all i see is Dina's name which she is well deserving of but what happens when she fully retires just replace her with one or a few more ethnic women.....since 05 it has moved a maybe an inch in my opinion but again thats just one Black mans opinion....lol...get it remeber ronnie said about...ahhhhhh forget it you guys are the greatest.......I love this sport and lifestyle.......
Hey Dina I would to treat you to an elegant dinner and night on the town...SKYS THE LIMIT...I know how you like to do it BIG....what ya say....
I'm kinda glad that this topic was left behind so that there wouldn't be anymore controversy over what was discussed already and talked about in a subjective and unbiased way.