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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: madmullah on January 07, 2006, 06:53:12 PM
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i nominate bill grant.how he ever got to be a pro puzzles me.can't remember any one admiring him either.
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Edgar Fletchar was amazing- but somehow never turned pro. He always blew his contest prep and showed up holding a bit of water. Awesome arms though!
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till Kamali makes the list........
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not as crap as bill grant but did not deserve to be 3rd in mr.o back in the mid 80s.only got 3rd because of friendship with arnold no doubt.
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not as crap as bill grant but did not deserve to be 3rd in mr.o back in the mid 80s.only got 3rd because of friendship with arnold no doubt.
Yeah, that must be why Jusup beat Tom Platz, Bob Birdsong, Al Beckles and Mohammed Makkawy et al for the 1980 Pro Mr. Universe too. ::)
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Kamali makes the list........
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Those two get best hug of all time. :-*
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i nominate bill grant.how he ever got to be a pro puzzles me.can't remember any one admiring him either.
Well, there are scores of them. Think of all those pros who win national titles, but never win ANYTHING in the pro ranks. They are too numerous to count...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Bill Grant was a great bodybuilder............. .the only weak point was calves.
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Bill Grant was a great bodybuilder............. .the only weak point was calves.
Agreed...welcome back Wes!
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i nominate bill grant.how he ever got to be a pro puzzles me.can't remember any one admiring him either.
Moron.
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Bill Grant was a great bodybuilder............. .the only weak point was calves.
Agreed.
Bill had a superb physique, especially when you consider he competed in the 1970s.
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Jusup had a great beard
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Good review there Matt. I'm reading it at your site right now.
I had a thread on here before with a lot of photos of Jusup, probably back in the summer of 2005 or so if anyone wanna check him out.
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Bill Pearl was a great bodybuilder.. only that he doesn't have any fans
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Grant was average at best. Everyone at ironage gets all excited by his full biceps but ignores the fact they overwhelm his triceps and make for an unproportioned arm. Factor in his non existent calves which ironagers also conveniently skip over despite making it a point when criticizing some of todays pros and you have justone example of the disgusting hypocrisy and bias that pervades that site and those that subscribe to it. Sad.
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Agreed.
Bill had a superb physique, especially when you consider he competed in the 1970s.
he was the worst physique to become a pro and i am comparing him to other pros of his era.no legs no thickness,no shape etc.he did not deserve to be on stage with other pros,i felt sorry for him being up there.
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I nominate Art Atwood, Bob Chick and Tamali.
Peace
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Grant was average at best. Everyone at ironage gets all excited by his full biceps but ignores the fact they overwhelm his triceps and make for an unproportioned arm. Factor in his non existent calves which ironagers also conveniently skip over despite making it a point when criticizing some of todays pros and you have justone example of the disgusting hypocrisy and bias that pervades that site and those that subscribe to it. Sad.
Oh dear. A lot of hate contained in that post. ;D
Still, let's get away from personal hostility and stick to the subject at hand. No one said Bill's physique was perfect. Yes he had poor calves and his quad size didn't exactly set the World on fire. But he was a very good bodybuilder in his era. He was a Mr. America and Mr. World winner and had quite a few top 10 finishes even in the 1980s.
So to say he was "the worst pro bodybuilder of his time" (as suggested by the title thread) is ridiculous. Here's Bill's competitive record.
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Grant,+Bill
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Oh dear. A lot of hate contained in that post. ;D
Still, let's get away from personal hostility and stick to the subject at hand. No one said Bill's physique was perfect. Yes he had poor calves and his quad size didn't exactly set the World on fire. But he was a very good bodybuilder in his era. He was a Mr. America and Mr. World winner and had quite a few top 10 finishes even in the 1980s.
So to say he was "the worst pro bodybuilder of his time" (as suggested by the title thread) is ridiculous. Here's Bill's competitive record.
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Grant,+Bill
Hate? I dont hate ironage, i just see it for what it is or rather what it has become. As for grant he was nothing spectacular; the worst? far from it, but please if your'e going to praise his physique and deify him, then do it at ironage where no one will question your affinity.
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....but please if your'e going to praise his physique and deify him, then do it at ironage where no one will question your affinity.
Calm down dude.
I simply posted in a thread about Grant started by someone else; like you and anyone else who cared to post here.
Don't dispsense advice to me about where I should or shouldn't post. I've probably posted on Getbig far longer than you and will post here about any bodyuilder or bodybuilding era as I please. You don't like it, go jump in a river.
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Thanks Joe!! :)
No sense arguing with experts! LOL
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Gord...............telli ng it like it is!!!
You go bro!!
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GREG KOVACS nuff said (sorry but he is sooooooooooo the worst ever)
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Grant was average at best. Everyone at ironage gets all excited by his full biceps but ignores the fact they overwhelm his triceps and make for an unproportioned arm. Factor in his non existent calves which ironagers also conveniently skip over despite making it a point when criticizing some of todays pros and you have justone example of the disgusting hypocrisy and bias that pervades that site and those that subscribe to it. Sad.
Hey Sculpture. Bill Grant still looks today at near 60 the way he did in the late 70's. How many guys competing today will even be alive at 60?
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Hey Sculpture. Bill Grant still looks today at near 60 the way he did in the late 70's. How many guys competing today will even be alive at 60?
what does that about his physique at 30 then.
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not as crap as bill grant but did not deserve to be 3rd in mr.o back in the mid 80s.only got 3rd because of friendship with arnold no doubt.
Jusup improved immensely from about the 1980 to 1982 time period.
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Worst pro ever hands down is that French Canadian Jocelyn Pelletier-no muscles,no tan, bad "combover", wears watch ONSTAGE- absolutely could not win a local show but turned pro way way way back at like the Mr. International. Turns up each year at Night of Champions .............
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not as crap as bill grant but did not deserve to be 3rd in mr.o back in the mid 80s.only got 3rd because of friendship with arnold no doubt.
Jusop poo's black women?!
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Worst pro ever hands down is that French Canadian Jocelyn Pelletier-no muscles,no tan, bad "combover", wears watch ONSTAGE- absolutely could not win a local show but turned pro way way way back at like the Mr. International. Turns up each year at Night of Champions .............
lol good point! but although he is technically a pro i dont think mad old people should be considered!
OK IM GOING OUT ON A LIMB HERE BUT ........................ . ID RATHER LOOK LIKE HIM THAN KOVACS (sorry greg!)
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GREG KOVACS nuff said (sorry but he is sooooooooooo the worst ever)
I have to agree.
But no one has mentiond all the guys that are not so popular that we don,t here about that placees very very low at all the show lets see some of there names they have to be bad if they never get talked about.
You know al the second tear pros
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I have to agree.
But no one has mentiond all the guys that are not so popular that we don,t here about that placees very very low at all the show lets see some of there names they have to be bad if they never get talked about.
You know al the second tear pros
sO GREG IS A TOP TIER PRO?????????? besides i have stated already that i think he looks worse than peletier and no one looks any worse than that! SURLY? :)
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You know al the second tear pros
How 'bout the third-tier pros, like this guy:
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How 'bout the third-tier pros, like this guy:
Lol :D
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Worst pro ever hands down is that French Canadian Jocelyn Pelletier-no muscles,no tan, bad "combover", wears watch ONSTAGE- absolutely could not win a local show but turned pro way way way back at like the Mr. International. Turns up each year at Night of Champions .............
I think we have a winner!
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Grant was not the worst but got more exposure than deserved because of great density & thin skin, good vanity muscles, his persona and the fact that he was a regular at Gold's. Physique was immensely flawed-bis way out of proportion to the rest of the upper body. Cut upper body, but average sized chest, lats and delts. Muscle flow a little off. Weak legs.
He's a regular on Iron Age in the same way that Shawn is on Getbig. Remarkably unchanged appearance 30 years later!
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Seriously, guys... it's not pros like Bill Grant or even Klownmali who are the worst pros of all time.
It's guys you've likely never even heard of (except for maybe Kenny Jones :P), who reached IFBB pro status by winning their country's national championships or something.... or maybe won the bantamweight class in the NPC Nationals some year.
I mean, look at some contest like the 2005 New York Pro show (formerly Night of Champions) and take a look at some of the "pros" who seemingly came out of the woodwork for that show. Hardly pro-caliber physiques. Here's just a few:
(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0028.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0097.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0144.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0192.jpg)
and so on, and so on, ad nauseum...
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That guy's tris look very odd; as if they've been surgically removed. ???
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could these guys be the reason why he got so far with a crap physique?
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Seriously, guys... it's not pros like Bill Grant or even Klownmali who are the worst pros of all time.
It's guys you've likely never even heard of (except for maybe Kenny Jones :P), who reached IFBB pro status by winning their country's national championships or something.... or maybe won the bantamweight class in the NPC Nationals some year.
I mean, look at some contest like the 2005 New York Pro show (formerly Night of Champions) and take a look at some of the "pros" who seemingly came out of the woodwork for that show. Hardly pro-caliber physiques. Here's just a few:
(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0028.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0097.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0144.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05NY/menpre/images/FDBE0192.jpg)
and so on, and so on, ad nauseum...
Some of them forfeit their IFBB pro cards and return to the amateur ranks. Usually, that's done to pursue the Mr. Universe title.
Mustafa Mohammed would have likely won the overall title at the Mr. Universe, had he not gone up against former IFBB pro Hamdullah Aytukulu, the ultra-ripped guy from Turkey, who striations were made famous at the 1996 Canada Pro Cup and Night of Champions.
Aytukulu can never be an IFBB pro again. But, the fame, prestige, and financial rewards from his homeland for winning the Universe exceed anything he would have likely gained as an IFBB pro.
What I don't understand is how some countries (namely Canada) can give IFBB pro cards to guys (and girls) who HAVEN'T EVEN WON THEIR CLASS in their country's national championships.
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two words:
Kenny Jones. :-X
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Agreed.
Bill had a superb physique, especially when you consider he competed in the 1970s.
just because he competed in the 70s is no excuse for having a crap physique,arnold ,sergio and countless other bber of that era had great physiques even by todays standard.here is harold poole pictured in the 60s .
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and here is rick wayne also from the 60s -makes bill grant look like an amateur
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could these guys be the reason why he got so far with a crap physique?
wow arnold looked great here his quads had great separation...
what year was that??
>:(
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Personally, I have never liked Mike Katz's physique.
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How 'bout the third-tier pros, like this guy:
At least he's married to a hot wench, unlike Ronnie who never had any woman. I mean, unless you consider Vickie Gates to be a woman. :P :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Franco Santoriello, Rashid Shabazz, Stan McCrary, Luiz, that blond dude that used to be on all the GNC bottles, Kamali, Ernie Taylor.
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cant believe you beat me to Kenny Jones! He along with Kovacs, British Champ Simon Cohen. The guy is fucking AWFUL!!! Makes me sick to even look at his physique
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just because he competed in the 70s is no excuse for having a crap physique,arnold ,sergio and countless other bber of that era had great physiques even by todays standard.here is harold poole pictured in the 60s .
Look, no one is saying Bill Grant was better than people like Sergio or Arnold, who were not only the best of their era, but among the all time greats. But this thread isn't about who was the best of their time; you're making the point the Bill Grant is the WORST bodybuilder of his era, which, considering he was a Mr. America winner and placed high in many pro shows, makes your assertion a total nonesense.
Fair enough, you didn't rate the guy's physique and this is a subjective thing anyway, but to say he was the "Worst of his time" is total hogwash and not supported by fact.
(http://primux.com/BB/BillGrant-2.jpg)
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could these guys be the reason why he got so far with a crap physique?
I think Arnold is a big reason why Franco had any real success.
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that blond dude that used to be on all the GNC bottles
Dean Caputo. He was pretty high up in the amateur ranks for a while in the late 80's-early 90's but never won a major NPC show.
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Caputo,+Dean
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Look, no one is saying Bill Grant was better than people like Sergio or Arnold, who were not only the best of their era, but among the all time greats. But this thread isn't about who was the best of their time; you're making the point the Bill Grant is the WORST bodybuilder of his era, which, considering he was a Mr. America winner and placed high in many pro shows, makes your assertion a total nonesense.
Fair enough, you didn't rate the guy's physique and this is a subjective thing anyway, but to say he was the "Worst of his time" is total hogwash and not supported by fact.
(http://primux.com/BB/BillGrant-2.jpg)
Sergio "sporting" the sports worst toupee ever
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Personally, I have never liked Mike Katz's physique.
Mike Katz is not even a pro. He's a top amateur bodybuilder
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Mike Katz is not even a pro. He's a top amateur bodybuilder
Actually, he is (or was). Despite his well-documented disappointment of 1975, shown in Pumping Iron, Katz went on to compete in the Olympia in 1976. However, much like the '75 Universe, he would fall at the hands of Ken Waller, who won the 200 lb.+ class.
He would also compete in the 1981 Mr. Olympia, where he placed 15th.
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Look, no one is saying Bill Grant was better than people like Sergio or Arnold, who were not only the best of their era, but among the all time greats. But this thread isn't about who was the best of their time; you're making the point the Bill Grant is the WORST bodybuilder of his era, which, considering he was a Mr. America winner and placed high in many pro shows, makes your assertion a total nonesense.
Fair enough, you didn't rate the guy's physique and this is a subjective thing anyway, but to say he was the "Worst of his time" is total hogwash and not supported by fact.
(http://primux.com/BB/BillGrant-2.jpg)look at this lineup,bill grant is the worst physique ,it was the same every pro show he entered.if there was a worse physique than him where is it(in the same lineup)
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At least he's married to a hot wench, unlike Ronnie who never had any woman. I mean, unless you consider Vickie Gates to be a woman. :P :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
ronnie dont need a woman
he's got matt cline
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I can't see what your logic is in calling Bill Grant the worst pro bodybuilder of all time. Unless you have something personal against him then you got problems mate. Bill Grant's record and physique speak for themselves. Sure he was not perfect but he has a physique that many people would love to have and others aspire to. Gord could not have said it better. Your are entitled to your own opinion but your talking out of your ass in my opinion
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Personally, I have never liked Mike Katz's physique.
Mike Katz looks like True Adonis' long lost Daddy :-\!!
Sorry...couldn't resist!
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I can't see what your logic is in calling Bill Grant the worst pro bodybuilder of all time. Unless you have something personal against him then you got problems mate. Bill Grant's record and physique speak for themselves. Sure he was not perfect but he has a physique that many people would love to have and others aspire to. Gord could not have said it better. Your are entitled to your own opinion but your talking out of your ass in my opinion
i said worst pro of his time (in competition)not of all time.yes his physique speakes for himself,crap.
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Mike Katz looks like True Adonis' long lost Daddy :-\!!
Sorry...couldn't resist!
you'll never know.. perhaps it's true
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dude, i live in New Jersey and see Bill Grant training (either himself or clients) fairly often at my gym. and he is definitely NOT one of the worst bodybuilders of his era. or from any era as a matter of fact.
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Personally, I have never liked Mike Katz's physique.
I agree with the Katz statement and ad Don Ross. They were the Dave Pulumbo's of their time.
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This message is for and especially for madmullah what a name you must look as bad as your name, also Gettingbigger and how you wish you where big because you probably look like a horses ass and you sculpture, the only sculpture you must look like is one of porky pig. You little snot nose brats need to look in the mirror and you will probably find that you never had a physique and you never will have one so you have to criticize Bill Grant's because you probably wish you could look as good as he does. Let me ask all of you little assholes, have you ever competed in a contest yourself, probably not, matter of fact you probably have never worked out yourself. I tell you what you are probably about 15 years old so why don't you post a picture on the site and let everybody see how good you look, you probably won't because you all look like shit. So for you to criticize someone else's physique who yes has won the Mr. America title and the Mr. World title you must be a really great bodybuilder with a lot of titles under your belt. Surely you are not afraid to show the world your great physique next to Bill Grant's so the world can see how great you are. So with that being said why don't you first try being a bodybuilder before you say one is the worst pro ever, and by the way don't you wish you could reach that status yourself? Keep on dreaming boys because that's what you are nothing but little cowardly boys so why don't you go play with the little girls in the sandbox where you belong. 8)
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arron maddron
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Don Ross DEFINITELY, the Matt Kline of his generation. ;) Nice pasty untanned look with greasy skin and lots of veins and no cuts. He was cut-out for work as one of Dan Lurie's east coast guys with just the right "look".
As someone mentioned, Mike Katz looked/looks like Frankenstein.