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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Oliver Klaushof on January 08, 2006, 07:42:28 PM
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I'll leave it to you to decide what "greatest" means.
I'm gonna go with Dan Severn. The man debuted and completely dominated. He had natural strength. He wasn't some jock that decided to take a few cycles and a week of BJJ and jump in there. He was a true talent. A world class wrestler and a black belt. I like him too because he seemed like a clean cut and humble guy. In my opinion he would have continued to dominate if his age hadn't caught up with him. I also think he was a better fighter than Gracie, and their boring fight was a fix.
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well dan was good but i think randy couture is the best
(my 2 cents)
vinnie
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Well obviously some of the Pride fighters are up there... out of them I would pick Crocop, he's done extremely well considering his background as a stand up fighter only... there's no bjj there, no judo, no wrestling in high school... and in a short time after fighting in K-1 he was fighting the top fighters of Pride like Wanderlei, Sakuraba, Noguiera etc.
For the US I like Mark Kerr, especially his first fights that you can watch clips on in the documentary about him, if I remember correctly he took a flight to Brasil and fought with no gloves, true NHB and won... and he had very limited experience at that time, pretty much came straight outta wrestling... true warrior.
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Fedor
And he'd kill Severn in his prime.
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Fedor
And he'd kill Severn in his prime.
I agree, Fedor has beaten every opponent he has ever faced,(including TK, who got lucky and won the first fight because of a cut)
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i would say either Masrk Kerr or Marco Ruas. Ruas was a monster, was voted the most complete fighter of the 20th century and could beat you on the ground or standing up. Kerr was unstoppable before the rules were changed and his wife fucked his head up
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Fedor
And he'd kill Severn in his prime.
I agree
fedor's like a Man against boys
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rickson by armbar ;D
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i would say either Masrk Kerr or Marco Ruas. Ruas was a monster, was voted the most complete fighter of the 20th century and could beat you on the ground or standing up. Kerr was unstoppable before the rules were changed and his wife fucked his head up
I'm gonna go with Ruas.
Anyone else that has seen the Vale Tudo World Championships II? Great tape, with Pedro Rizzo kicking Tiger White's ass in the under card, which is a tourney, and Taktarov-Ruas fighting their second fight for main event.
The rules of that particular Vale Tudo tourney kicks ass with everything I've seen since. One round of 30 minutes, no breaks.
No gloves. Only restriction was no eyegouging or fishhooking. Everything else was allowed.
Taktarov was a beast as well. Fcuking monster, hehe, can't understand how he could endure those Thai kicks of Ruas.
YIP
Zack
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James West would kill any of them. Butit has to be more than 2 or 3 or more cause he can't fight one on one
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James West would kill any of them. Butit has to be more than 2 or 3 or more cause he can't fight one on one
artie gordon was a puss
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I would say Bas Rutten.. there is no other fighter that could do everything in the book like this guy. Definitely the most dynamic. Extremely talented and experienced. Also the smartest fighter I'd ever seen.
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Ken Shamrock owned him in their fight, which i have posted the ending to on here before. Bas was great but certainly wasnt the best. Best looking maybe lol hence his nickname
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its one of those questions that cant be answered...evolution will bring out better and better fighters as time goes on
instead, you might want to think about the fighters contributions to the sport of MMA in addition to his ability, the guys that changed the game. its obviously a much bigger list, or then its just another "who's the greatest (insert type of athlete here) of all time" question...
and in that case, over the years, i'd have to include folks like
royce, both shamrocks, severn, tank, ruas, couture, liddell, miletich, jeremy horn, maurice smith...the list goes on. they've all done much more than just win and/or dominate their fights
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this is a tough one, but I'm going to have to go with Spiderman. Not only is he freaky strong and ridiculously agile, but he has that "spidersense", which makes him next to impossible to hit.
Don't be a fool.
Apocolypse by armbar, 2nd round.
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id say fedor at this present time,i think arlosvski could give him some work if they fought though,but i dont see it happening cause of pride and ufc.
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id say fedor at this present time,i think arlosvski could give him some work if they fought though,but i dont see it happening cause of pride and ufc.
I don't think that would be much of a fight at present day. Arlovski looks amazing, but hasn't been fighting near the competition Fedor has. I'd look like a pretty wicked fighter too... If I was taking on pre-schoolers ;D.
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Arlovski doesnt have a half decent challenger just yet and wont do for the forseeable future. His best bet would be to quit and join Pride, but hes onto a good thing right now. Each fight for him is easy money
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Aleks should go to the UFC. He would be a contender and give Arlovski a really good fight. If he stays in pride he'll never reach his potential since I doubt he'll fight his own brother for the belt.
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for the person who picked Randy Couture -- his record is 14-7...How can you choose someone who loses once for every two times he wins? The greatest MM Artist of all time should have almost no blemishes on his record.
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not every loss is by a tap out or a KO, judges have made several dodgy decisions in the past. I think a fight should go on until there is a clear winner
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If only his chick and overdosing didn't fuck him up.......Mark Kerr
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Fedor or Rickson. I will say there's alot of top notch fighters today, Matt Hughes, BJ Penn, GSP all wrapped into one division in the UFC, that's a good weight division if you ask me. Vande is good, so is Chuck.
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ken shamrock. divided his time with wrestling and lost the opportunity to make a bigger impression.
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but he made around $3 million out of it ;D
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Rixson in his prime I would have to say is better than anyone else has ever been in their prime. He may not be the best now cause of age obviously but back in the day his skills then would have been superior today. He punched, kicked and submitted. He had good size. But of course he wasn't the best at everything.............. ........
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lol but i bet he could beat the shit out of you mate! ;D He ever make you tap?
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Actually yes. When we trained part of it was to know what it felt like to almost pass out. It was fun back then cause the class was one on one. Rorian had his garage completely covered from floor to walls in wrestling mats. It got so hot in there. Then afterwards we would go inside and eat funny food that the girls made. They really wanted me to get serious about it because of my size and strength they saw I would have been good especially with my background. But, I gave it up and passed it on to Craig Kukuk who I introduced to them. And he ended up lving it and becoming I think the first American Black Belt in GJJ. Then he went on to make allot of money from it.
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They really wanted me to get serious about it because of my size and strength they saw I would have been good especially with my background.
they lied to ya !
they just wanted ya around because you always brought beer over !
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Don Frye?!?
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I know he made a lot of money from it, its just in wrestling they never let him get anywhere. He could have reamed them all and still had energy to take out half the audience but they just stuffed him around with the political bullshit. I cant watch wrestling anymore I am so sick of that sucking up to the right people crap.
I still wonder what ken shamrock would have done if he'd focussed exclusively on the mixed martial arts. He still gets my vote on the best.
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i dont know, hes posibly the most famous MMA fighter, but he lost too many fights to be considered the best. Hes the mike Tyson of MMA, by carrying on hes ruined his reputation
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Don Frye
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Frank Dux ;)
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Rixson in his prime I would have to say is better than anyone else has ever been in their prime. He may not be the best now cause of age obviously but back in the day his skills then would have been superior today. He punched, kicked and submitted. He had good size. But of course he wasn't the best at everything.............. ........
id have to disagree about the punching and kicking ... granted you met and trained with the dude and all i have to go by is the fight footage ive seen ... but he didnt look like he had much game on his feet other than keeping an opponent from hittin him ... in fact in the interviews he read he says his style of fighting is entirely self defense
did he train alot in boxing/kickboxing?
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are you a RedMeatKid wannabe? You couldnt fight your way out of Pee Wee Hermans bedroom
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are you a RedMeatKid wannabe? You couldnt fight your way out of Pee Wee Hermans bedroom
He would not want to. Lets not forget who your writing about,
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rickson by armbar ;D
I agree Rickson look at his record, no one else can brag about that many fights plus a 99.99% win record
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ROYCE GRACIE
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ROYCE GRACIE
Royce has said in interviews that Rickson was a better fighter.Royce is only more popular because Rickson wanted more money than Royce tofight in the Ufc and Rorian would not give it to him.In all actually the UFC was susposed to be Rickson not Royce
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Royce has said in interviews that Rickson was a better fighter.Royce is only more popular because Rickson wanted more money than Royce tofight in the Ufc and Rorian would not give it to him.In all actually the UFC was susposed to be Rickson not Royce
Really...that is interesting....personall y I wouldn't want to f*** with any of them...lol
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Fedor right now or Rickson in his prime truly 2 legends in the sport
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Greatest? Tough but I think Bruce Lee is a legitamate name he did train and know submissions(in enter the dragon he uses a submission) the guy knew jui jitsu. The reason I mention Bruce is because he took whatever technique worked please do not forget that jui jitsu came from asia not brazil. Additionally on his feet he was way faster than anyone mentioned above. He was the first to actual mix martial arts.
Bruce actually accepted challenges and regularly wooped peoples asses on sets
He knocked out the Karate gold medalist who said he was on a different level
He trained with weights before it was common and did things that people still talk about
The guy was in phenom shape and knew multiple styles and brought martial arts to the western world
I think you have to list him if your talking top mixed martial artist and I think he would take rickson out
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Ali, no no no. If there was ever a boxer who could have beaten the modern UFC champions its the 22 year old mike Tyson
Ive said thopse things about Bruce many times but it continuously gets thrown back in my face as bullshit. Hence i dont bother anymore
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Royce is only more popular because Rickson wanted more money than Royce tofight in the Ufc and Rorian would not give it to him.In all actually the UFC was susposed to be Rickson not Royce
I'm not to sure about that one. i was there in the beginning and Royce and Rorian were always very close. I saw Royce at the house nearly everytime I went. Royce did their first promotional video t with my friend Craig Kukuk. Royce was young not mean looking but could fight. That is what they wanted to show. They wanted to show that Gracie Jiu Jitsu was superior and it didn't matter how big you were. Rickson was way bigger and stronger and more experienced than Royce. It was more impressive when a skinny young kid went out there and kicked everybody's ass than a seasoned fighter with a muscular body. This was back in 1987 or so.
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Bruce Lee walked his talk though. One tough dude. He truly was on a whole other level. You only need to see others trying to copy his intensity to see its chalk and cheese.
I just wish I got to see Ken Shamrock in a shoot fight with Triple H. No holds barred, no outside interference and no time limit.
I'd pay to see that.
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That's d be a short damn fight :)
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Shamrock knocked out Kimo with a knee pretty quick in there last fight and I would say kimo is as strong as HHH
Even though Ken is no longer the man I still think he would take HHH
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Shamrock knocked out Kimo with a knee pretty quick in there last fight and I would say kimo is as strong as HHH
Even though Ken is no longer the man I still think he would take HHH
I'm sure he would. Professional wrestlers are stuntmen/actor's, not fighters. i respect what they do, but Ken would handle HHH in a heart beat in a real shoot. Just ask Kurt Angle about Daniel Puder.
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Man ................. and I love Kurt Angle. I accept the explanation his neck was playing up and thats why Daniel Puder got even close to taking him down. Angle is one of the few wrestlers I respect.
Prolly why they gave Puder the ass, cos he made them scared he could make them look bad.
(imagines the tough boys all feeling scared and vulnerable in the locker room. "Vince.... that puder kid is all wroooooooong. He aaiiint wrestler material............") guh!!! I hate politics.
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Shamrock would rape HHH in a BRUTAL way
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I'm sure he would. Professional wrestlers are stuntmen/actor's, not fighters. i respect what they do, but Ken would handle HHH in a heart beat in a real shoot. Just ask Kurt Angle about Daniel Puder.
what happened with Kurt?
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It was one of these competitions the WWE has where a bunch of young wrestler wannabees go through training and competitions of different kinds to prove their worth. The prize is a wrestling contract and $250,000. Each week the fans vote, and one of them has to leave. In this case, there were a few tough guys left, and the task was to wrestle Kurt Angle, who took them all down with insulting ease. Except for Puder. He got Angle into a grip and you could see Angle failing. I dont know if he said anything or someone ringside got Puder to realise he was in big trouble if he won, but Angle got the pin. It looked really bad, but if you were drunk or smashed like most WWE fans you may have blinked and missed it. If you were concentrating, its all there. Angle was said to be recovered/recovering from a bad injury at the time.
Still I'm a big fan of Angle, so i buy the "injured" excuse. But they never saw Puder the same way again after that. I bet they were hoping he'd get cut each week after that, but he won. Very tough guy. And they fired him a little while ago. You decide.
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HAHAHA Are you serious? Angle is a gold medal olympian. HAHAHAHA Any pics of this Pruder?
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I dont think he is anywhere near as good as todays fighters but I would go for bruce lee. Pure and simply because he was 30 years ahead of his time.
He went over things like grappling and take down defence as well as proper striking. He also trained with a wrestling champ (not wwe stuff), gene lebell (world judo champ).
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obviously Chuck the Ice Man Liddell. It's too bad Fedor has dodged him for so long.
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Kimbo Slice
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Kimbo Slice
Well besides Kimbo, it wold for sure be Chuck, "The Ice Man" Liddell.