so bc of permenent non stop pains in shoulder, affected not only training since years, but everyday life pains got worse and worse.
decided to have a rontgen scan at doctors, he found somethings very wrong but couldnt see it,so we did the mri or rmi or whatever,that tunnel that they put you in ,very tight and very loud.then the inner stuff of body is xrayed or whatever.
they give anestsia injection(this one was small),then they inect some fluid to be seen on the xray pics, goddamn that needle scared me,haha.
so the results are back and talked to doctor.
theres much doctoric lingo in the letter-result of mri test, but to sum it up in layman getbigger terms, the shoulder is entirely fucked up.(but it says literaly that the shoulder muscles are extremly-extraodrinarily huge and strong).theres freakng parts missing!and inflammation edemas.
he asked me how i can still work with that,let alone work out.
the advice is to pretty much stop training immediately and have operation asap.
he said its actualy not from lifting,but genetic predosposition, the shoulder structure was bit off since birth.
i can list the doctor lingo if theres some docs here who care,but in conclusion, the recovery time post op(8-10weeks,fuuuuck,)and the re growing of muscle will most likely mean no summer of love parading the beaches jacked and shredded :-X
this is hugely demotivation.a devastating blow of destiny
those guns for arms will shrink away to nothingness :-\
so bc of permenent non stop pains in shoulder, affected not only training since years, but everyday life pains got worse and worse.
decided to have a rontgen scan at doctors, he found somethings very wrong but couldnt see it,so we did the mri or rmi or whatever,that tunnel that they put you in ,very tight and very loud.then the inner stuff of body is xrayed or whatever.
they give anestsia injection(this one was small),then they inect some fluid to be seen on the xray pics, goddamn that needle scared me,haha.
so the results are back and talked to doctor.
theres much doctoric lingo in the letter-result of mri test, but to sum it up in layman getbigger terms, the shoulder is entirely fucked up.(but it says literaly that the shoulder muscles are extremly-extraodrinarily huge and strong).theres freakng parts missing!and inflammation edemas.
he asked me how i can still work with that,let alone work out.
the advice is to pretty much stop training immediately and have operation asap.
he said its actualy not from lifting,but genetic predosposition, the shoulder structure was bit off since birth.
i can list the doctor lingo if theres some docs here who care,but in conclusion, the recovery time post op(8-10weeks,fuuuuck,)and the re growing of muscle will most likely mean no summer of love parading the beaches jacked and shredded :-X
this is hugely demotivation.a devastating blow of destiny
those guns for arms will shrink away to nothingness :-\
thanks for defining what an MRI is for us ::);D
Re: the congenital part. Sounds like you have one of those hooked Acromion processes. Makes shoulders very susceptible to injury. I have the same thing bro.yes!! the report says something "weird akromion" or unstraight akromion.
You'll come back better than ever, no worries, small bump in the road 8)
You're a great man and a great bodybuilder, sorry to hear!!agree partialy, but im a small bbuilder ;D
so bc of permenent non stop pains in shoulder, affected not only training since years, but everyday life pains got worse and worse.
decided to have a rontgen scan at doctors, he found somethings very wrong but couldnt see it,so we did the mri or rmi or whatever,that tunnel that they put you in ,very tight and very loud.then the inner stuff of body is xrayed or whatever.
they give anestsia injection(this one was small),then they inect some fluid to be seen on the xray pics, goddamn that needle scared me,haha.
so the results are back and talked to doctor.
theres much doctoric lingo in the letter-result of mri test, but to sum it up in layman getbigger terms, the shoulder is entirely fucked up.(but it says literaly that the shoulder muscles are extremly-extraodrinarily huge and strong).theres freakng parts missing!and inflammation edemas.
he asked me how i can still work with that,let alone work out.
the advice is to pretty much stop training immediately and have operation asap.
he said its actualy not from lifting,but genetic predosposition, the shoulder structure was bit off since birth.
i can list the doctor lingo if theres some docs here who care,but in conclusion, the recovery time post op(8-10weeks,fuuuuck,)and the re growing of muscle will most likely mean no summer of love parading the beaches jacked and shredded :-X
this is hugely demotivation.a devastating blow of destiny
those guns for arms will shrink away to nothingness :-\
Re: the congenital part. Sounds like you have one of those hooked Acromion processes. Makes shoulders very susceptible to injury. I have the same thing bro.
You'll come back better than ever, no worries, small bump in the road 8)
Gal,nah brother,i refuse the cortisol shot, by looking at the scans(ill upload later a pic), even me seen straight away that theres no tab or shot to fix that.
What was the diagnosis?
What surgery did he recommend?
I am assuming you got a cortisone shot to the shoulder to reduce the overall inflammation and pain.
Give us some more details and here's to a speedy recovery.
"1"
Damn, that's some fucked up news! You better plan that operation ASAP. Maybe some primo or bold to speed up the recovery afterwards?will use some gh for that 8)
so bc of permenent non stop pains in shoulder, affected not only training since years, but everyday life pains got worse and worse.
decided to have a rontgen scan at doctors, he found somethings very wrong but couldnt see it,so we did the mri or rmi or whatever,that tunnel that they put you in ,very tight and very loud.then the inner stuff of body is xrayed or whatever.
they give anestsia injection(this one was small),then they inect some fluid to be seen on the xray pics, goddamn that needle scared me,haha.
so the results are back and talked to doctor.
theres much doctoric lingo in the letter-result of mri test, but to sum it up in layman getbigger terms, the shoulder is entirely fucked up.(but it says literaly that the shoulder muscles are extremly-extraodrinarily huge and strong).theres freakng parts missing!and inflammation edemas.
he asked me how i can still work with that,let alone work out.
the advice is to pretty much stop training immediately and have operation asap.
he said its actualy not from lifting,but genetic predosposition, the shoulder structure was bit off since birth.
i can list the doctor lingo if theres some docs here who care,but in conclusion, the recovery time post op(8-10weeks,fuuuuck,)and the re growing of muscle will most likely mean no summer of love parading the beaches jacked and shredded :-X
this is hugely demotivation.a devastating blow of destiny
those guns for arms will shrink away to nothingness :-\
U should document w/ photos, videos, etc., the surgery, recovery process and return to shrededness here on GB. Would be an epic thread.ah yeah will do.
Yes. Sounds Type 3.thx.
Good luck Gal. Stay away from all overhead pressing movements.
Horizontal pressing, might want to lay off that too, though I find decline pressing doesn't aggravate as much.
Horizontal rowing and vertical pulling should be very ok though.
Also, I would strongly advise to make your serratus as strong as possible, to pull the scapula properly against the rib cage during shoulder movements.
Watch out for biceps tendonitis. As guys in your spot start to over/under compensate for bad shoulders, biceps tendons can bear an unfair brunt (which will subsequently ruin any back workouts you can still do).
Not impossible, but not a fun road to travel. Best of luck friend.
it s not tatuwere going anywhere anywaythats right i was already there.
Yes. Sounds Type 3.
Good luck Gal. Stay away from all overhead pressing movements.
Horizontal pressing, might want to lay off that too, though I find decline pressing doesn't aggravate as much.
Horizontal rowing and vertical pulling should be very ok though.
Also, I would strongly advise to make your serratus as strong as possible, to pull the scapula properly against the rib cage during shoulder movements.
Watch out for biceps tendonitis. As guys in your spot start to over/under compensate for bad shoulders, biceps tendons can bear an unfair brunt (which will subsequently ruin any back workouts you can still do).
Not impossible, but not a fun road to travel. Best of luck friend.
Sorry to hear Gal. Get better.
More importantly though...
Is Chiro gonna make it?
It will be difficult but we are committed to making it through this trying time.Stay strong Hop Singh !! ;)
Even on gh it will take longer than 8-10 weeks to fully recover if they attaching any of the rotator cuff muscles.
he'd be lucky to bench the bar by week 7.
This is good advice.hm.
Also: you can (should) never go heavy on any shoulder stuff again (excluding traps.) High reps light weight, but you already know this I'm sure. This is a major no-no.
Start working on some shoulder mobility exercises during your rehab. You'll feel better after you are healed up bro.
Man, I am sorry. I am 6 months into the achilles tendon rupture and it allowed me to focus on other things. Fortunately for me, my legs always sucked, so it was a good reason to skip leg-day. For you, it's gonna especially suck to have to give your shoulders/arms/chest a break. I am guessing that you come back better than ever. And the fresh gear receptors! Epic.yeah the lady will get much time spent with me i guess.No work, no nothing.i hope i dont end up cswol from non activity.
Even on gh it will take longer than 8-10 weeks to fully recover if they attaching any of the rotator cuff muscles.learn to read mongoloid.theres nothing being done on rotato cuffers.
Lots of rehab.
Once you have your surgery, you will have a triumphant return!think so, did you read the latin words,the summary?its somewhere on page 1.
"1"
8-10 weeks off will hardly make a noticeable difference.in what?
It will be difficult but we are committed to making it through this trying time.
hm.
just to clarify, from what i feel, shoulder press isnt responsible for this, i blame it on incline press bench,and a bit regular bench, but first and foremost incline bench.
is also the exact movement that hurts most.
btw, traps, shrugs,those do hurt alot, the pressing doesnt.
the pain is going from the shoulder top bone,like a sting through front shoulder area all the way to upper biceps,it pretty brutal during shrugs.
yeah the lady will get much time spent with me i guess.No work, no nothing.i hope i dont end up cswol from non activity.
yes those receptors,even for natural atheletes like me, they need refreshing at times 8)
learn to read mongoloid.theres nothing being done on rotato cuffers.
think so, did you read the latin words,the summary?its somewhere on page 1.
safe to say ill be benching plenty very soon again :D
in what?
have you ever had a brken arm or leg?i did.
they shrink down to absolute nothing within 6 weeks
So romantic. :'(
Wanna Skype?
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That's because you live in an apartment in some third world shithole.
You have severe scar tissue buildup on your rotators. Enjoy...it will only get worse.
With your type 3 Acromion however, abduction above parallel to the floor, hyperextension, hyperflexion of the arm can aggravate that. (I got my labrum tear from incline benching same as you, but my ortho informed me of how any heavy loads placed on the shoulder with a type 3 are just asking for trouble.)ah cool.
Interesting that shrugs hurt.
Either way you'll be a new man very soon
ah cool.
hold on, does this mean no more heavy incline bench for me ever again? ???
def above horizontal is the epic pain zone.
you know that "pose" where you pull the traps out and flex the upper pecs a bit?or plainly most muscular crab?wow that hurts so much that it goes numb after few seconds.
we will se if this 3rd world shithole can treat this well.this gonna cost a fortune.3 days in hospital + rehab ,in the usa most would have to sell their house to fix that :D
My injury is diff than yours so I'm not sure. I can NEVER again do dips or incline (anything less than 20 reps). Best advice is take it easy post surgery man! Make little 2.5lb increases in weight week to week. You know this already though 0, youre a smart fella. I've seen recoverys go good and go bad.ah yeah i forgot dips,thats the worst.
thanks for the heds up
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ah yeah i forgot dips,thats the worst.
you joking about the 2.5lbs thing,right? ??? ;D
thatd mean couple weeks before i lift the bare bar? ;D
so uou had the op and dips is a never agian thing?this sucks, doc told me ill be totaly fine afterwards
Who is the shrimp with the small triceps? (I didn't say arms because there is no bicep present so it's technically not an arm.)its a biceps leprosy victim, very touching and sad story bro ;D
nah brother,i refuse the cortisol shot, by looking at the scans(ill upload later a pic), even me seen straight away that theres no tab or shot to fix that.for the doctors
theres very strong cortisol tabs theyd make the pain smaller, but no good idea consdiering all other factors.
here is the diagnosis, i translate as good as possible:
-bent akromion
-some arhtrosisbut big inflammation in "ac"joint, medium edema in extremitas acromialis claviculae.
-chronical impingement of tuberculum majus humeri vs lower edge of akromion.resulting in several signal cysts in tuberculum majus humeri.
-extremly or most suffering is the joint from supra to infraspinatus tendon, the rotator cuff in this area is EXTREMLY thickened and has a central and peritendinos edema,al the way to the infraspinatus tendon.
-inflammation on the "pulley"(???)subscapari tendon cranialy shortened and thickened,pulley is signalaltered.
-instability of the bicps tendon on entry to sulcus.
-off relation of labrum glenoidale
-wide medialised beginning(?) of the ventral joint capsule.
-cranial thinned subscapulis tendon
-lasion of the pulley
-wide ventral joint capsule
-CURRENTLY VERY STRONG MUSCULATURE ;D ;D
-that musclulature making the subakromial gap tighter.
-tendinitis
sounds bad eh :-X :-X
will use some gh for that 8)
That's the Tongan Jew after only a couple months of working out. 8)
I'm the runt of the liter. You're still a fagget.
Wanna Spoon?
Sorry to hear about your diagnosis Galeniko - you did an awesome job if you had to train through pain every time you went to the gym.yes man every single time was pains.even when squating, the arm position on the bar,even that hurt.
Take a long term view - you don't want to be crippled at age 40. Take some time off, enjoy your rest and come back better than ever. This is just a speed bump.
ah cool.Are you saying you will be going down to the size of dj181?
hold on, does this mean no more heavy incline bench for me ever again? ???
def above horizontal is the epic pain zone.
you know that "pose" where you pull the traps out and flex the upper pecs a bit?or plainly most muscular crab?wow that hurts so much that it goes numb after few seconds.
we will se if this 3rd world shithole can treat this well.this gonna cost a fortune.3 days in hospital + rehab ,in the usa most would have to sell their house to fix that :D
Are you saying you will be going down to the size of dj181?hm doubt that, was that size at age 9 i think.
Its called karma.nah its called a shouler complication, cornuto
Enjoy.
think so, did you read the latin words,the summary?its somewhere on page 1.
Its called karma.
Enjoy.
Bingo! His shoulder is fucked for life life now. Probably turn into a full blown alcoholic/pain killer addict. Which all means NO MORE WOMEN FOR HIM. Hahahahahaha
Lol at the lame ass trolls trying so hard to get under gals skin, over and over, only to get completely ignored like the little ankle biting bitches they are.
extra lulz.
Sorry to hear that. I went through similar stuff when the achilean tendon tore. If I could share with you one thing I have learned, is learn to eat balanced so that you don't baloon up. Then, when you come back to training, it'll be a smoother transition.yeah im already planning how to ocupy myself with things, to stay away from eating like a normal fatso.not getting bored etc, this will mean much cardio i guess.
Sucks to hear it man. I dislocated and fractured my right shoulder in 5 different spots. Yes, 5 fractures. Every day life activities become a fucking chore when you can use one arm. It got better but still clicks constantly and hurts when I go heavy on certain exercises. you will still be in good shape though because you know how to stick to a diet. Good luck.damn that sounds bad.mine dont click, the pain overwhelms anything before can even think of going too heavy.
Lol at the lame ass trolls trying so hard to get under gals skin, over and over, only to get completely ignored like the little ankle biting bitches they are.they dont get it, they make themselves look very here,im already foccussing on the comeback, looking forward to lose it all, bc when healed, the trainings will be like when aged 20.not trained pain free in 4years.something had to be done,this is a relief.
extra lulz.
Good luck Gal hate to see this type of stuff happen to anyone.thx,are you greek btw?
Lol at the lame ass trolls trying so hard to get under gals skin, over and over, only to get completely ignored like the little ankle biting bitches they are.Bordering on pathetic! :(
extra lulz.
Lol at the lame ass trolls trying so hard to get under gals skin, over and over, only to get completely ignored like the little ankle biting bitches they are.
extra lulz.
You mean he won't be back to benching 405 by week 7?HE WILL EAT HEAVY/LIFT HEAVY/NO ROIDS BY WK 7 AND DO IT CLEAN AS A WHISTLE...
Oh.
Yes. Let's make sense of all this fancy medical jargon...phenomanal post summary.
AC joint inflammation & arthritis as mentioned in what you wrote: "some arhtrosisbut big inflammation in "ac"joint, medium edema in extremitas acromialis claviculae"
This is simply arthritis developed at the joint that's found in between your clavicle and acromion.
(http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/figures/A00222F01.jpg)
Just from the AC joint arthritis alone, I could see you having many day-to-day pain issues as it causes localized inflammation and pain. Typically, the bone spurs at the distal end of the clavicle tend to look Moth-eaten when visualized by way of X-rays. This typically occurs in older individuals, as well as adamant weight-lifters due to prolonged wear and tear. You can live with this, but it tends to be painful and messes with your workouts. Physical therapy and Anti-Inflammatory drugs are the first line of action, followed by surgery is no progress is seen.
For this, they will most likely perform a distal clavicle excision (which will hopefully alleviate some of the AC joint arthritis that is causing you so much pain). They will literally file down the distal end of your clavicle.
Subacromial impingement as mentioned in what you wrote: "bent akromion"
I am assuming, as a few others have mentioned here that your acromion qualifies as a level III, which looks like this:
(http://www.shoulderdoc.co.uk/images/uploaded/acromion_types.jpg)
They will most likely provide you with a little subacromial decompression to tackle that "bent' acromion when they perform arthroscopic surgery of your shoulder.
Rotator-Cuff thickening as mentioned by what you wrote: "the rotator cuff in this area is EXTREMLY thickened and has a central and peritendinos edema,al the way to the infraspinatus tendon."
This is just a fancy term for inflammation that affects the four muscles and tendons that comprise the rotator cuff. Once they perform surgery, they will amplify the space between both the rotator cuff and acromion and this will alleviate both the pain and inflammation (thickening) that you are experiencing.
Synovial Cysts as mentioned by what you wrote: "several signal cysts in tuberculum majus humeri"
The synovial fluid is like lubricating fluid that sits in between joint of your shoulders. When there is an impingement, that causes the sheath (or synovium) that holds this fluid intact to bulge out, you are then left with a synovial cyst. Most are not a big deal, but when they press upon localized nerves, you can have some numbness in the region, which can be problematic. They will remove these cysts during your surgery.
Ultimately, it will suck for a couple of months after surgery, but with a little physical therapy, proper nutrition and attention to your body as your best indicator of pain, you should be fine.
"1"
That's ok...you can sweep it under the rug but can you really make it go away?
That's what I am here for, to erase the bullshit comments from a useful discussion surrounding a shoulder injury that can happen to any of us.
I've received the complaints and all the shit responses will disappear.
"1"
. No his body will match his teeth: wrecked. Hahahahahthis i legitimately laughed haha ;D
That's ok...as far im concerned, the entertaining ones can stay.
That's what I am here for, to erase the bullshit comments from a useful discussion surrounding a shoulder injury that can happen to any of us.
I've received the complaints and all the shit responses will disappear.
"1"
you can sweep it under the rug but can you really make it go away?
I hope you get well soon Gal. Nobody should have to live in pain.Unless you live in America and your health insurance either does not cover it or only partially does so which may be in most cases.
Yes. Let's make sense of all this fancy medical jargon...Great post........really helped clear it up for this medically inept person.
AC joint inflammation & arthritis as mentioned in what you wrote: "some arhtrosisbut big inflammation in "ac"joint, medium edema in extremitas acromialis claviculae"
This is simply arthritis developed at the joint that's found in between your clavicle and acromion.
(http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/figures/A00222F01.jpg)
Just from the AC joint arthritis alone, I could see you having many day-to-day pain issues as it causes localized inflammation and pain. Typically, the bone spurs at the distal end of the clavicle tend to look Moth-eaten when visualized by way of X-rays. This typically occurs in older individuals, as well as adamant weight-lifters due to prolonged wear and tear. You can live with this, but it tends to be painful and messes with your workouts. Physical therapy and Anti-Inflammatory drugs are the first line of action, followed by surgery is no progress is seen.
For this, they will most likely perform a distal clavicle excision (which will hopefully alleviate some of the AC joint arthritis that is causing you so much pain). They will literally file down the distal end of your clavicle.
Subacromial impingement as mentioned in what you wrote: "bent akromion"
I am assuming, as a few others have mentioned here that your acromion qualifies as a level III, which looks like this:
(http://www.shoulderdoc.co.uk/images/uploaded/acromion_types.jpg)
They will most likely provide you with a little subacromial decompression to tackle that "bent' acromion when they perform arthroscopic surgery of your shoulder.
Rotator-Cuff thickening as mentioned by what you wrote: "the rotator cuff in this area is EXTREMLY thickened and has a central and peritendinos edema,al the way to the infraspinatus tendon."
This is just a fancy term for inflammation that affects the four muscles and tendons that comprise the rotator cuff. Once they perform surgery, they will amplify the space between both the rotator cuff and acromion and this will alleviate both the pain and inflammation (thickening) that you are experiencing.
Synovial Cysts as mentioned by what you wrote: "several signal cysts in tuberculum majus humeri"
The synovial fluid is like lubricating fluid that sits in between joint of your shoulders. When there is an impingement, that causes the sheath (or synovium) that holds this fluid intact to bulge out, you are then left with a synovial cyst. Most are not a big deal, but when they press upon localized nerves, you can have some numbness in the region, which can be problematic. They will remove these cysts during your surgery.
Ultimately, it will suck for a couple of months after surgery, but with a little physical therapy, proper nutrition and attention to your body as your best indicator of pain, you should be fine.
"1"
If you really start to become a nuisance and have a complete disregard for serious conversation when the topic matter emerges, it can lead to your removal.if these 2 clowns would be banned at one strike(but "do" wolfox first haha)would be very proud if it was this thread "making it happen" ;D
Be cool and have fun with the forum, but when discussions like this arise, whereby others can learn from the experience of a member that is about to go through surgery for a condition that can happen to any of us, let the serious discussion continue without tarnishing it with bullshit posts.
There are thousands of other threads whereby fucking around is perfectly fine. Gal is here to ask for some general advice and to tell us about his experience.
"1"
Sometimes shit like this is a blessing in disguise. Coming back from an injury can be very motivating and enjoyable. Reclaiming past glories and exceeding them is a very satisfying feeling.yeah thats the attitude.
Best of luck.
Stay strong Galeniko. I think you are going into this with the proper attitude and not letting it own you. People have come back from a lot worse, so you probably don`t have much to worry about.yeah this medication thing must be done as smartly as possible.
If I were you, I would minimize the usage of medication and pain pills as much as possible and deal with it.
Sucks fella. Build a bubblebutt, some cows, and look forward to the rebound/muscle memory gains in time for summer...
Gal, when are you coming to LA so you can run a train on me?:o :o ;D
Get well soon!!!
Sounds like 2.5 months of recovery from surgery, figure another 2-3 of rehab. So let's say come August you're back training and in 4-5 months you'll be right where you left off plus your shoulder will be fixed. Won't be easy physically, but in terms of time it's nothin.....less than a year.hm i hope the rehb dont last so long and will be able to atlest train like now pist surgery.if i can train like now, all i need is 1 month to get in shape. :D
Chin up....all is good!
Hijacking threads via posts will be removed.
ah cool.
hold on, does this mean no more heavy incline bench for me ever again? ???
def above horizontal is the epic pain zone.
you know that "pose" where you pull the traps out and flex the upper pecs a bit?or plainly most muscular crab?wow that hurts so much that it goes numb after few seconds.
we will se if this 3rd world shithole can treat this well.this gonna cost a fortune.3 days in hospital + rehab ,in the usa most would have to sell their house to fix that :D
Very, very interesting. I have had the same injury.weidest thing is, the injured side is the much stronger one.
You very likely have a frayed tendon on your supraspinatus, at best some tendonitis from an aggravated supraspinatus tendon. Very, very common with type 3. And it'll take time to heal.
In the meantime, you've been moving different to compensate, which probably led to some erosion of the articular cartilage in the GH joint. And finally, there might be some bursitis with all that shitty type 3 acromion stuff going on.
Start turning your thumbs up on laterals. It will help tremendously. Not the only thing you need to do, but it'll help.
Strengthen your scapula.
Stop overhead pressing movements altogether.
Horizontal pressing in decline motions only. Stop horizontal or decline flyes. Just presses. I strongly recommend going to unilateral instead of barbell work, to re-train proper motion and neuromuscular integration in your weakened side.
For your horizontal pulling, focus on your contractions. You may have weakened rhomboids, though it is also likely you have over-compensatory rhomboid strength. Same with trap strength. Still, no one has ever been hurt by having lower traps and rhomboids that are too strong, so I recommend focusing on them.
weidest thing is, the injured side is the much stronger one.
it just cant erform a full rom under heavy load.
we will see about that ;D ;D
oh and for the haters im guessing he will still look 100 times better than any of you
It was my shoulders that stopped me training. In my late thirties I started to get chronic shoulder pain. Even sleeping on my side was incredibly painful. Turns out I have inflamed bursa and rotator cuff tears. I have had several expensive cortisone injections that haven't helped at all. Doing any upper body weights was painful, AFter months of struggling through the pain and it getting worse, I stopped lifting. And after a time of depression and getting fat I started walking and hiking and am now back to getting fit and healthy. My shoulder is still painful at times and I am restricted in what I can do but I have learned to manage it with anti inflammatories, ice and heat when necessary. I did miss weight training for a little while, but now I don't. I was able to asses why I lifted weights in the first place and why I wanted to be big and strong. I am aiming towards getting as fit and lean as I can with good diet and plenty of cardio.why no surgery?
Don't have time to read so not sure the extent of it. All I can say is the following:did they operte you like with 2 or 3 small holes into shoulder?thats what they gonna do with me, they said they can go in the with camera etc.fucking hell ;D
I had a distal clavicle exission and subachromial decompression done in Feb. Yeah - you need to take time off, but it fixes everything, and I used the time to get in cardio shape. If they've told you surgery can fix and you have the means, get it done, and you'll be back in no time. Going to get the other shoulder done when I can't bear the pain in that one too.
Oh, and listen to snx, I saw he's posting in the thread.
Best of luck Gal.
Why is everyone here so prone to injury? ???
I have never had a break in heavy lifting longer than a week and never once had an issue.
Why is everyone here so prone to injury? ???
I have never had a break in heavy lifting longer than a week and never once had an issue.
Perhaps its their short arms/legs relative to their body and bio-mechanics.
Cos that what happens when you read Flex magazine and buy the cell tech.
man, do the surgery, you will erode away tissue like i did eventualy,and then it will become unmanageable.
I know exactly what you have cos I have the same fucking thing man.
Read this, this is my doctors report from this summer.
My shoulder report from Sept:
I saw this charming man today who has got new problems in his left shoulder. He does weight training about 6 times a week and feels pain felt over the anterior deltoid, down towards the biceps insertion in his elbow in his proximal forearm.
Clinically, he has a mixed picture of bicipital tendonosis and subacromial impingement syndrome and hence we arranged initially an MRI scan. This shows large nearly one centimeter diameter anterospuerior para labral cust. He has got subacromial bursitus with impingment, some calcific change at the junction of the supraspinatus and infraspinatus. His LHB actually looks normal and on the ultrasound too the LHB looks normal as does the bicep insertion.
We have tried to resolve his symptoms without surgery today by injection his subacrimial bursa with Depomedrone under ultrasound control, the he need some phsiotherapy to try and stretch up his biceps muscle to reduce tention on the biceps insertion, even though this is normal to imaging.
I am hoping that this combined with perhaps slightly altering his regime, will resolve matters for him.
If this works for him all well and good, otherwise I fear he may need an arthroscopy and resection/decompression of his para labral cyst. I have asked him to return to see me in 4 weeks time once he has had the benefical effect of todays injection and some in house phsyiotherapy.
I was in the gym two hours after the injection doing Chest, Shoulders & Tri's :)
Report from 2 month or so ago:
" I saw this charming man in my clinic today. He has got a flare up of both shoulders symptoms, worse on the right than the left. We imaged him in the past and he has got bilateral bursitis with impingement on the left hand side. In the past, he has had two injections into the right shoulder and more recently into the left shoulder. The right is now the worst and we have injected both shoulders today for him into the subacromial bursae to calm his symptoms down. I have explained to him that, in my hand a maximum of three injections is the limit.
My shoulder pain fucks me all the time, but I ain't gonna do the surgery, I over came the L4-L5 with no surgery and gonna do the same with the shoulders.
I am now worried if I go on test from tomorrow I might go nuts and really fuck my shoulder up but we will see.
Seriously I know the GH has bunch of effects you don't want but 5 IU IM into the delts, right in the nerve or near where it hurts helps a lot man.
Really hope this ends well for you bro.
All the best champ
Why is everyone here so prone to injury? ???doc says its structuarly given at birth.
I have never had a break in heavy lifting longer than a week and never once had an issue.
Perhaps its their short arms/legs relative to their body and bio-mechanics.nah its simply that type 3 thing.the bone overlap.is genetic given.
thats cause you are juiced to the gills bro :DGetbig is like a virtual junkyard for humans it seems.
man, do the surgery, you will erode away tissue like i did eventualy,and then it will become unmanageable.
doc says its structuarly given at birth.
and not to start pissing match, but i lifted very very heavy in my past.big big big error.
strong like ox on all upper body stuff.
lol i can skull crush more than most ppl bench in the gym :D
nah its simply that type 3 thing.the bone overlap.is genetic given.
lol i can skull crush more than most ppl bench in the gym
You do chest and triceps on the same day?
How much can you skull crush?
I use the 50s but that's after bench and incline.
yeah but then can work around the problem zones painfree, thats good enough.
What's the point to have surgery, you come back do the same shit again and then fuck it up all over.
Surgery ain't gonna help the root cause of the problem, a brain transplant might!
plenty.
How much can you skull crush?
You do chest and triceps on the same day?
LOL ;D
yeah but then can work around the problem zones painfree, thats good enough.
plenty.
Getbig is like a virtual junkyard for humans it seems.
I had 4 broken ribs.......not fun at all.
When I was able to resume training,I exceeded all my previous lifts, and my previous best conditioning,and I was out quite a while.
Gal will be cool as long as he takes his time coming back and doesn`t get impatient and try to rush things.
did they operte you like with 2 or 3 small holes into shoulder?thats what they gonna do with me, they said they can go in the with camera etc.fucking hell ;D
so you can do the exercises again that hurt previously?
or better?can you do like swimmer movemnt with arms, but furiously fast without pain?
thank goodness my left shoulder is fine,even though its most likely similiarly built.
I had a broken rib before. It is the worst.Yup,sneezing was the worst....felt like your entire body was going to fly into little pieces.
A close second was a tear in my left glute. I kept training and eventually it strangled my sciatic nerve. The pain was unreal, but the rib sucks cause coughing, sneezing, laughing... Even deep breathing all suck and there is nothing you can do. They don't even wrap you anymore.
Yes, three small holes. I'll PM you a pic if you want. I can do ALL shoulder related injuries and bench pressing without pain, although i have to be careful to make sure I don't get imbalances, impingements and maintain flexibility.
It worked so well, I would do might right one now, but I'm enjoying exercise and such so I'm going to hold off.
so bc of permenent non stop pains in shoulder, affected not only training since years, but everyday life pains got worse and worse.
decided to have a rontgen scan at doctors, he found somethings very wrong but couldnt see it,so we did the mri or rmi or whatever,that tunnel that they put you in ,very tight and very loud.then the inner stuff of body is xrayed or whatever.
they give anestsia injection(this one was small),then they inect some fluid to be seen on the xray pics, goddamn that needle scared me,haha.
so the results are back and talked to doctor.
theres much doctoric lingo in the letter-result of mri test, but to sum it up in layman getbigger terms, the shoulder is entirely fucked up.(but it says literaly that the shoulder muscles are extremly-extraodrinarily huge and strong).theres freakng parts missing!and inflammation edemas.
he asked me how i can still work with that,let alone work out.
the advice is to pretty much stop training immediately and have operation asap.
he said its actualy not from lifting,but genetic predosposition, the shoulder structure was bit off since birth.
i can list the doctor lingo if theres some docs here who care,but in conclusion, the recovery time post op(8-10weeks,fuuuuck,)and the re growing of muscle will most likely mean no summer of love parading the beaches jacked and shredded :-X
this is hugely demotivation.a devastating blow of destiny
those guns for arms will shrink away to nothingness :-\
real story
have to come of steroids - will shrink to true tiny size
Yup.
we will see about that ;D ;DI haven't ruled it out yet, I am back at the doctors in a couple of weeks. The main issue it seems is the bursa and I was hoping that it would come good just by stopping weight training and a few cortisol injections.. It improved where I didn't notice it doing normal day to day activities or sleeping, but the moment I started lifting again, bang, instant pain and inflammation for days. It is worst in a particular range of motion, usually between 60-90 degrees. I guess I had also had enough of training, I had been at the weights on and off for over twenty years and was beginning to question the value of it. My goals have changed, I am in my early 40's now and would like to get as lean as possible, and improve my cardiovascular endurance. To tell the truth, I hate the thought of surgery, a few years ago I had a severed achilles tendon and had to have immediate surgery and was unable to walk for six months, the hospital experience, the rehab the pain and the expense lingers in my memory. I like to give the body every chance to heal itself.
no seriously, everyones in denial and wishful thinking about it maybe going away,and maybe bit afraid or worried about the hassle coming with the op, but its best to go through.
i men i waited until some stuff was eroded within the shoulder capsule, this is now too late for cortisol, for rehab exercise,eeverything.why no surgery?
Yes, three small holes. I'll PM you a pic if you want. I can do ALL shoulder related injuries and bench pressing without pain, although i have to be careful to make sure I don't get imbalances, impingements and maintain flexibility.ah thatll be the same operation i guess.
It worked so well, I would do might right one now, but I'm enjoying exercise and such so I'm going to hold off.
You don't have to come off HRT for surgery dummy.for gyno surgery id advice everyone to come off off everything.lol.
shoulder injuries just suck, they never really go away they just lurk and wait for the next chance to fuck your life up.thx.
surgery is pretty last resort imo, is there no other way to treat this issue?
I pretty much just do one arm dumbbell floor press for chest, no barbell anymore, no overhead pressing either just laterals. no hammer strength either, cable machines and ring pushups are great for building scap / serratus stability
good luck man
Try to remain positive. Yeah, you will lose some size during the recovery, but you'll get it back in no time if you are smart and don't rush things allowing for a full recovery and then gradually working back up to where you were. On the plus side, once you are healed and the pain is gone, your deltoid will be better than before. Like others have suggested, work on developing your wheels.lol, my wheels are brutal, they might even be the best bodypart, i just dont show them, theres something latently homo about showing off wheels.
Gal don't let it get you down. For every guy like Tedim who's struggling with his recoup...there's a dude like me.yah the doc sheet says something slap tear too, soemthing like bordeline slap(i thought its a weird term,slap)
Tore my rotator..grade 3 separation and a SLAP tear....all in the same shoulder in 2001 . I recuperated 100% and 15 years later the shoulder is perfectly fine.
We come from a similar gene pool...you will be back 100%.
You know me I'm the eternal optimist! :) With two spinal fractures and a grade 3 AC separation of my rt shoulder I believe anything is possible!wow brutal.
Your body will appreciate the rest and pop back better than ever!
Gal don't let it get you down. For every guy like Tedim who's struggling with his recoup...there's a dude like me.
Tore my rotator..grade 3 separation and a SLAP tear....all in the same shoulder in 2001 . I recuperated 100% and 15 years later the shoulder is perfectly fine.
We come from a similar gene pool...you will be back 100%.
G did you have surgery?
Nope. This is where I get laughed at...but I willed myself better...or something. . Its healed..which is impossible..but it is.
You've all seen my pics...this happened in 2001. I can post the 200 page medical report from my injuries and subsequent lawsuit.
Nope. This is where I get laughed at...but I willed myself better...or something. . Its healed..which is impossible..but it is.Surgery should always be a last resort.
You've all seen my pics...this happened in 2001. I can post the 200 page medical report from my injuries and subsequent lawsuit.
Any shoulder pain or limitations at all?
Surgery should always be a last resort.waited 3years
Perhaps Galeniko should wait as well. He does seem like a Hypochondriac to me.
lol, my wheels are brutal, they might even be the best bodypart, i just dont show them, theres something latently homo about showing off wheels.
:-\
i think i wont touch a weight during the recovery, giving everything a break.
Sorry to hear about your shoulder problems. Maybe you should take your MRI to another surgeon for a second opinion.
I can relate to an extent. I was in a bar in some of the strongest condition in ages. I put money in the pool table and some of the balls didn't come out. I thought in my drunken stupor, no problem. I will deadlift on side of the table and the balls will slide out. I never realized that slate weighted pool tables are a bit heavy. I got the table about 4 inches off the ground and I felt an electric shock. I thought I must have touched an exposed wire. I had a sick feeling and my right arm didn't feel right. A growing pain started to develop. My wife drove me home. I took off my shirt and my right bicep was rolled up like a Venetian blind and was now located by my delt. Long story short my surgeon said partial tears happen but a complete rupture isn't. Guess which one I had? He put two metal anchors in my arm and sewed my bicep back.
It effected my whole upper body. One shoulder was higher than the other. I couldn't straightened my arm for about 5 despite trying repeatedly. When I got the green light for physical therapy I not only did what I could in the therapist office but I had my own program that I worked at. Even though it was a bicep and I guess it's hard to understand the trauma but I trouble benching the bar. When I could straighten my arm I did curls with a 2.5lbs plate that was tough. Long story short it took about 6 months to get back to where I was.
I'm not in the medical profession so ask your doctor about what I recommend.
1. During recovery and rehab for your shoulder you can concentrate on cardio just to keep in shape. It was the best thing I did. I got really skinny but I was running like an animal. It was just an exercise that I could do.
2. Don't do anything to compromise the repair. Always consult your doctor and physical therapist regarding how hard you can push yourself. When I got the green light to try I worked really hard but I never did anything stupid. Let me tell you the first time I did one chin up was absolutely scary to me.
3. You wrote inclines hurt. Forget them. Inclines for upper pecs is really being challenged in kinesiology. Your whole pec works or it doesn't. Follow the rule if it hurts the the exercise out of your use. Declines put a lot less stress on the shoulder joint. Use dumbbells for benching but keep your hands facing each other like you are doing a dumbbell fly. It's another thing that puts less stress on that delt/pec area. If I had to do my lifting over again from a teenager to now I would have done both inclines and flat benching with dumbbells always with hands facing each other.
4. Hands facing for pulldowns too. See if you can find a bar for pulldowns with hands facing. Again less shoulder stress. Do chin ups with revolving d grip handles so your hands can move in the direction they want when you do a chin.
5. After you are well on your way to recovery from the operation see if you can get the okay for rotator cuff exercises. Remember these are exercises to prevent injury not to cause one. So it's strict, slow, and light rotator cuff movements. Whenever someone mentions rotator cuff exercise they show one or two movements. Actually there are 5 main movements. Try to google rotator cuff pictures to get ideas.
6. Stretch when you get the okay. Hold your upper arm parallel to the ground. Now bend your arm at a 90 degree at the elbow. Find a wall and try to stretch out that delt pec tie in. Nothing to pain. Gentle.
My right shoulder is shot too. Benching 225 feels like someone is stepping on my balls pain.
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Jebem ti bog! Kako si to učinio?intenzivno drkanje brate, ali nemoj da prevedes englezima ;D
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You'll be back mate, I've got a shit load of shoulder issues too...dislocations etc.yeah i know, dnt tell me youre another one who didnt do the operation?
Eventually stretching and rehab things just form part of your workout and you fit other things in and around it!
All the best 8)
intenzivno drkanje brate, ali nemoj da prevedes englezima ;D
;D
yeah i know, dnt tell me youre another one who didnt do the operation?
doesnt the nhs cover this?
yeah i know, dnt tell me youre another one who didnt do the operation?
doesnt the nhs cover this?
x 2 on a second opinion, My ortho treats LA Galaxy and some Dodgers players so he's repaired multi million dollar joints, and he's ultra conservative. Some other, shittier, surgeons I've seen have been much more keen to cut me open
he's talked me out of surgery on my hip and my shoulder (torn labrums, bone spurs, tendon cleanup) and pushed rehab / mobilization work.
not that it might be appropriate for you, but I have an insane list of injuries from retarded lifting that I now work-around, mostly pain free and never had surgery (god willing it stays that way)
remember that most physios rehab is the worst kind of retarded broscience and can actually hurt you a lot more than sitting on the couch doing nothing
x 2 on a second opinion, My ortho treats LA Galaxy and some Dodgers players so he's repaired multi million dollar joints, and he's ultra conservative. Some other, shittier, surgeons I've seen have been much more keen to cut me openyeah the working around it is ok, but to know it wont go away is too much.its very frustrating and affecting everyday things all the time, even need special sleep position :-X :-X
he's talked me out of surgery on my hip and my shoulder (torn labrums, bone spurs, tendon cleanup) and pushed rehab / mobilization work.
not that it might be appropriate for you, but I have an insane list of injuries from retarded lifting that I now work-around, mostly pain free and never had surgery (god willing it stays that way)
remember that most physios rehab is the worst kind of retarded broscience and can actually hurt you a lot more than sitting on the couch doing nothing
Sorry to hear that Gayleniko , I had an AC joint separation , I was going to have a surgery but decided not to have it , the only exercises that kill my shoulders are , flat and incline bench , dips , upright rows and heavy shrugs , I can do everything else , I use a lot of machines for my chest and my chest still beautiful.yes,my dear homosexual friend che, this sounds much like the same issue.
yes,my dear homosexual friend che, this sounds much like the same issue.fratello,,very bad news indeed.you will be back quicker than most ;D,,
those "only" exercises youve listed are quite the bunch ;D
those "only" exercises youve listed are quite the bunch ;D
Not really if you know what you are doing. :o :o .che/che/che/che..
machines,machines ,machines.
che/che/che/che..
nah brother,i refuse the cortisol shot, by looking at the scans(ill upload later a pic), even me seen straight away that theres no tab or shot to fix that.
theres very strong cortisol tabs theyd make the pain smaller, but no good idea consdiering all other factors.
here is the diagnosis, i translate as good as possible:
-some arhtrosisbut big inflammation in "ac"joint, medium edema in extremitas acromialis claviculae.
-chronical impingement of tuberculum majus humeri vs lower edge of akromion.resulting in several signal cysts in tuberculum majus humeri.
Had a friend with a similar injury. Good athlete and martial artist. He opted to have the surgery. For the first few days he couldn't feel his arm. After about 3 weeks he could live a reasonably normal sedentary life. After six months he was training and about 80% back. 100% is about a year.damn this sounds soo too much long to come back :-X
Good luck whatever you decide.
damn this sounds soo too much long to come back :-XI am almost 7 months out of my surgery, I think it'll be a full year before I can move like I did prior to it.
have one frend who did the same surgery, or very similiar, not sure when but was recent, hes already driving car ,but has lost half his size, no joke, half of him is gone.the only thing that profited look wise is his face :D
haha i planed to lok about same 3 months post op.stay optimistic 8)
i understand these people are trying to say you will be better than before for motivational purposes, but i think we all know that is not how the body works, it will never be the same again..which is ok .. we learn to adapt.
..which is ok .. we learn to adapt.^^^^THIS
I am almost 7 months out of my surgery, I think it'll be a full year before I can move like I did prior to it.an u had a killer injury'achilles'football players KILLS there season or they never return.
I am almost 7 months out of my surgery, I think it'll be a full year before I can move like I did prior to it.
so bc of permenent non stop pains in shoulder, affected not only training since years, but everyday life pains got worse and worse.
decided to have a rontgen scan at doctors, he found somethings very wrong but couldnt see it,so we did the mri or rmi or whatever,that tunnel that they put you in ,very tight and very loud.then the inner stuff of body is xrayed or whatever.
they give anestsia injection(this one was small),then they inect some fluid to be seen on the xray pics, goddamn that needle scared me,haha.
so the results are back and talked to doctor.
theres much doctoric lingo in the letter-result of mri test, but to sum it up in layman getbigger terms, the shoulder is entirely fucked up.(but it says literaly that the shoulder muscles are extremly-extraodrinarily huge and strong).theres freakng parts missing!and inflammation edemas.
he asked me how i can still work with that,let alone work out.
the advice is to pretty much stop training immediately and have operation asap.
he said its actualy not from lifting,but genetic predosposition, the shoulder structure was bit off since birth.
i can list the doctor lingo if theres some docs here who care,but in conclusion, the recovery time post op(8-10weeks,fuuuuck,)and the re growing of muscle will most likely mean no summer of love parading the beaches jacked and shredded :-X
this is hugely demotivation.a devastating blow of destiny
those guns for arms will shrink away to nothingness :-\