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In the morning....once in a while, for energy not appetite control.
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I notice clen and b12 makes me hungry
always thought it was increased metabolism burning up calories
just jumped back on gh and I get so damn tired, although hunger isn't a prob yet
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maybe its the slight metablism increase.
cardio makes me much more hungry than the calories burned shoudl do,i always have to be careful with food post cardio.
a metabolic speed up can do that.
but really, maybe its the gear, the efedrine absolutely normaly will kill apetite.this doesnt mean one cant eat, but most dont feel like eating.
usualy when the efedrine effect fades out, this is where apetite and hunger can have furious comebacks
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maybe its the slight metablism increase.
cardio makes me much more hungry than the calories burned shoudl do,i always have to be careful with food post cardio.
a metabolic speed up can do that.
but really, maybe its the gear, the efedrine absolutely normaly will kill apetite.this doesnt mean one cant eat, but most dont feel like eating.
usualy when the efedrine effect fades out, this is where apetite and hunger can have furious comebacks
How long does the ephedrine appetite suppression last? I take 50 (2 bronkaid)
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Ephedrine's appetite suppressing effect wears off in a couple weeks. How long have you been on?
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Wtf has it always been like this for you?
Try taking 500mg l-tyrosine with each dose. That should quell your appetite
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Wtf has it always been like this for you?
Try taking 500mg l-tyrosine with each dose. That should quell your appetite
The appetite is not the issue.....more so the weird side effect. I don't suffer from stufffacewithnocontrolia .....
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The appetite is not the issue.....more so the weird side effect. I don't suffer from stufffacewithnocontrolia .....
I thought the weird side effect was increased appetite ???
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I thought the weird side effect was increased appetite ???
Yeah I fuked that up ;D
I meant, I don't need help controlling appetite but am perplexed by "being hungry like" side effect.
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How long does the ephedrine appetite suppression last? I take 50 (2 bronkaid)
many many hours for me.
but apetite can be triggered more by bloodsugar drops, ie, depends what the diet is like and what was eaten before.
its an ampethamine derivate, it should kill apetite by its very nature
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I get serious hunger cravings at night if I take EC, because I won't take it past 4pm at the very latest so I can still sleep
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I get serious hunger cravings at night if I take EC, because I won't take it past 4pm at the very latest so I can still sleep
yeah this is normal, when it fades out, theres the risk of messing all the good effects of it up with a binge.
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Yeah I fuked that up ;D
I meant, I don't need help controlling appetite but am perplexed by "being hungry like" side effect.
3 things i could think of:
1) you are able to exercise harder on ECA, revving your metabolism and appetite
2) Ephedrine induces insulin resistance, causing blood glucose to raise a bit. This, in turn, might be wreaking havoc on your insulin/ghrelin levels, somehow leading to hunger
3) this is just a temporary coincidence, nothing to do with the ECA specifically. Dieting causes your body to play tricks on you, and this is just that
The sense of hunger is caused by so many different things within the body, it's impossible to pinpoint the cause here. Stop taking the ECA for a week and see what happens to your appetite. Or don't.... even if you get hungry from it, its still doing its job
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oh i had no idea e causes insulin resistance.
yeah idet is mainly responsible for hunger attacks.
and unusal harder workout , if you suddenky get stronger and add cardio f.e.
or when the body shifts into fatburning mostly mode, which is basicaly diet related again.
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oh i had no idea e causes insulin resistance.
yeah idet is mainly responsible for hunger attacks.
and unusal harder workout , if you suddenky get stronger and add cardio f.e.
or when the body shifts into fatburning mostly mode, which is basicaly diet related again.
Yup, same with gh.
OTH turned me on to the magic of ephedrine with no-carb diet. It seriously feels 2-3x as strong. I think it's because carbs + eca-induced insulin resistance leads to high BG, which in turn leads to lethargy. The ephedrine counters the lethargy somewhat, but it's no where near as strong as when taken on an empty stomach
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yeah many ppl take the efedrine too soon, for fuck all basicaly.
what i mean, at a level where noone should be using it.
fatburners are for when you hit the plateau, the little extra.
the fatburning effect itself is small, the useful thing is it keep those brutal hunger panic attacks at bay, gives energy to fight the lethargy, increases training energy, and thus overall helps to stay active.
the fatburing still comes from training, diet and being active.
its just a diets finishing touch.
if pl say ill use it from the getgo and then see, they will be disapointed.
same with anto estrogens, they should come in when you hit a wall.
another thing is,efedrine has a high tolerance factor, as in, you get used to the dosage pretty quick and the effect will be smaller unless you up the dose or take a break.
i dont even use it, e and clen have made my heartrate go up at times,for few seconds only, to where it felt like a machinegun.
this can mean a very close call to a stroke.
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Yup, that's basically it....I've always considered it to have 4-5 benefits:
-appetite suppression
-extra energy/improved workouts
-diuretic, good for junk food bloat
-burns a little extra fat
-has an anti-catabolic effect, at least for naturals... probably due to suppression of cortisol
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bump in metabolism maybe.
are you doing more cardio on the ECA? cardio makes me hungry as fucking hell.
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Post workout cardio is the ticket. No hunger.
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bump in metabolism maybe.
are you doing more cardio on the ECA? cardio makes me hungry as fucking hell.
same here, after cardio the hunger is almost unbearable, this happens when one is hugely muscular, like you,or me.
meanwhile
Post workout cardio is the ticket. No hunger.
this happens to the twinks
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Im always hungry after swimming. :-\
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2 bronks seem like a lot of ephedrine. How much caffeine and aspirin?
I get a nice little 90 minute kick out of half a bronk, 200mg aspirin and a large DD coffee.
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2 bronks seem like a lot of ephedrine. How much caffeine and aspirin?
I get a nice little 90 minute kick out of half a bronk, 200mg aspirin and a large DD coffee.
2 bronk 650 aspirin (2 tabs) 400 caf. So 222 of everything
And 1 500 oxycodone for the shoulder
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bump in metabolism maybe.
are you doing more cardio on the ECA? cardio makes me hungry as fucking hell.
Moderate to end workout nothing to write home about.....
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for me it's the opposite. I don't get hungry at all when taking it
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2 bronk 650 aspirin (2 tabs) 400 caf. So 222 of everything
And 1 500 oxycodone for the shoulder
A Percocet every time you hit the gym? Don't end up on that Nubain bus.
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It's probably the metabolism. I don't get hungry with ephedrine (kills my appetite and I could barely eat the best sushi if I had it right under my nose) but with clen for some reason I get ravenous hunger.
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2 bronk 650 aspirin (2 tabs) 400 caf. So 222 of everything
And 1 500 oxycodone for the shoulder
drop the aspirin. That was an old Bill Phillips bullshit.
But do drink grapefruit juice when you down the EC stack.
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2 bronk 650 aspirin (2 tabs) 400 caf. So 222 of everything
And 1 500 oxycodone for the shoulder
whew! That's powerful.
When I was 27, I'd run ECA twice a day... 200 mg caff, 1 bronk, 1 250 mg aspirin.
Now, IF I mess with it occasionally (during sinus season when I need bronkaid anyway, and I feel like getting cut for a few weeks, my dosage is something like this:
1/2 bronkaid, 250 mg aspirin, and 50mg to 100mg caffeine. I take so little that I do see some decent changes quickly using baby doses like this. I suppose I could go with a full dose, but I'm 37 and would rather get leaner slowly, than sit thru the heart pitter patters that come with a man-sized dose.
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drop the aspirin. That was an old Bill Phillips bullshit.
But do drink grapefruit juice when you down the EC stack.
I've read that a lot of people taking meds will use GF juice. What kind of bump in effectiveness do you see with the addition of the juice?
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I've read that a lot of people taking meds will use GF juice. What kind of bump in effectiveness do you see with the addition of the juice?
It feels a good 50% more effective. Can be used with oral steroids too.
It's an old trick junkies would use to get more out of their drugs, but it really works. 1/2 grapefruit QD also has the benefit of lowering high hematoctrit by a good 5-10 points
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A Percocet every time you hit the gym? Don't end up on that Nubain bus.
I use the stack once twice a week max.....most days no stack, natural ;D
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I use the stack once twice a week max.....most days no stack, natural ;D
It turns out that none of those opiate based things work for me. I have a hundred oxys that I got after my achille's repair. Was gonna sell them down on the corner to finance gear ;)
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It feels a good 50% more effective. Can be used with oral steroids too.
It's an old trick junkies would use to get more out of their drugs, but it really works. 1/2 grapefruit QD also has the benefit of lowering high hematoctrit by a good 5-10 points
Wow... so just drink a cup of grapefruit juice while taking the meds? Or spread a few cups throughout the day?
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what the diet like?
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Wow... so just drink a cup of grapefruit juice while taking the meds? Or spread a few cups throughout the day?
Is there any (bro)science to back this up? What chemically about grapefruit juice does it?
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Is there any (bro)science to back this up? What chemically about grapefruit juice does it?
Two broscience factoids I half remember:
1. the naringinine (spelling?) in GFJ slows caffeine breakdown
2. something I can't remember increases the permeability of something I can't remember in the digestive system allowing more 'goodness' to be absorbed.
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Is there any (bro)science to back this up? What chemically about grapefruit juice does it?
I believe it's got to do with a digestive enzyme that really does amplify the effects of many drugs. Some primary care physicians will warn patients when they're taking stuff like sedatives and antiarrhythmic drugs. I know this because every time my grandma takes her heart meds she has to tell me the same story she's told me a million times, even though none of us drink grapefruit juice lol
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i read a little about it. It has to be white, not pink GF juice. and the supplement of GF is more effective. It makes the liver step aside and not chew up so much of the meds we take.
there are message boards full of kids trying to get higher off the drugs they take, opiates, stimulants... and how they dose their GF lol.
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How about I dont give a piss how many in this thread will win the Mr O this year?
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maybe its the slight metablism increase.
cardio makes me much more hungry than the calories burned shoudl do,i always have to be careful with food post cardio.
a metabolic speed up can do that.
but really, maybe its the gear, the efedrine absolutely normaly will kill apetite.this doesnt mean one cant eat, but most dont feel like eating.
usualy when the efedrine effect fades out, this is where apetite and hunger can have furious comebacks
This is why I no longer take it. After you adjust to it, the after effect is almost like a shot of b-12 as far as wanting to eat.
Could it have something to do with adrenal glands and fatigue maybe too?
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whew! That's powerful.
When I was 27, I'd run ECA twice a day... 200 mg caff, 1 bronk, 1 250 mg aspirin.
Now, IF I mess with it occasionally (during sinus season when I need bronkaid anyway, and I feel like getting cut for a few weeks, my dosage is something like this:
1/2 bronkaid, 250 mg aspirin, and 50mg to 100mg caffeine. I take so little that I do see some decent changes quickly using baby doses like this. I suppose I could go with a full dose, but I'm 37 and would rather get leaner slowly, than sit thru the heart pitter patters that come with a man-sized dose.
You can also by Primatine which is 12.5mg ephedrine hcl and 200mg guaf. and 100mg caffeine pills. I tried that last time and it worked well as the higher dose 25/200 didn't agree with me after I got out of my 20s. Too harsh on the system.
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I use the stack once twice a week max.....most days no stack, natural ;D
Good idea but keep an eye on it. I am 33 now. When I was 21 I did what you are doing and then by 23 I was taking 1 or 2 every night on the weekend..then oneday a year later I was hooped. Thank god for Suboxone!
Good luck and be careful! Wish I never got that damn root canal!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)...When I was still in the scene getting and moving gear my guy used to always offer me Vics or Percs at like a dollar a piece..I never cared and was like " Dude, I don't care about that shit "
One pill after a root canal because I had to go out that night to work...and my take on them was different :)
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2. something I can't remember increases the permeability of something I can't remember in the digestive system allowing more 'goodness' to be absorbed.
Can I quote you on this one? Lmao.
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Is there any (bro)science to back this up? What chemically about grapefruit juice does it?
grapefruit inhibits an enzyme found in the intestines and liver called CYP3A4, which plays a part in metabolizing something like 50% of ingested drugs.... so more of the original, active form of the drug makes its way to systemic circulation.
I believe doctors recommend keeping 4 hours between consuming grapefruit and medication, so if you wanna make the most of your drugs, eat a grapefruit, wait 20 minutes, and then take whatever.
I don't believe the effect is limited to a certain type of grapefruit but i could be mistaken
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I notice clen and b12 makes me hungry
always thought it was increased metabolism burning up calories
just jumped back on gh and I get so damn tired, although hunger isn't a prob yet
yes, clen makes me so hungry. I thought I was the only one...
It's probably the metabolism. I don't get hungry with ephedrine (kills my appetite and I could barely eat the best sushi if I had it right under my nose) but with clen for some reason I get ravenous hunger.
Now I want some legit Canadian ephedrine...shit was intense.
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I can't believe we have this many threads on grapefruit and nobody's mentioned any bodybuilders doing anything inappropriate with them.
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Is there any (bro)science to back this up? What chemically about grapefruit juice does it?
Not bro science. It's real science. Read almost any med cautions and they'll say to avoide GF juice because it can enhance the effects of the med.