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Title: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: NightTrain on February 15, 2014, 05:28:37 PM
True Adonis, I enjoy your recipes and your posts about cooking and cooking techniques.

Would you possibly entertain the idea of starting a thread on here talking about all your recipies, cooking techniques, and cooking pics? Maybe direct it toward good nutrition for the bodybuilder, etc.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Marty Champions on February 15, 2014, 05:30:40 PM
brilliant trolling
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Hulkotron on February 15, 2014, 05:35:08 PM
The Pride of Cyprus had a thread like this a bit ago.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Marty Champions on February 15, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
not trolling, but I have enjoyed True Adonis' food posts. I am interested in his pizza dough recipe and his cooking technique for it.

I enjoy brick oven type thin crust pizza.
ill send him a telegram
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 15, 2014, 05:41:33 PM
Maybe under the training log section?  I might like to do this.  Perhaps include the meal, macros (if you guys want them) and recipe of things I make as well as help to make them yourselves. 

What kind of meals are you interested in? 
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on February 15, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
This would be cool. Throw your pics up from what you created each day.

Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Shockwave on February 15, 2014, 09:12:55 PM
Maybe under the training log section?  I might like to do this.  Perhaps include the meal, macros (if you guys want them) and recipe of things I make as well as help to make them yourselves. 

What kind of meals are you interested in? 
I just made souse vide chicken thighs. .. set water temp @ 140 and left them in for an hour..

I had a q though. .. rather than individually bag each tiny thigh, I laid them flat in several rows in a large ziplock baggy and laid it in the water.... does it matter that theyre in the same baggy? They werent bunched up or touching each other.

also, when I took them out 1.5 hours later, the water temp had dropped to 125-130. Should I care?
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 15, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
I just made souse vide chicken thighs. .. set water temp @ 140 and left them in for an hour..

I had a q though. .. rather than individually bag each tiny thigh, I laid them flat in several rows in a large ziplock baggy and laid it in the water.... does it matter that theyre in the same baggy? They werent bunched up or touching each other.

also, when I took them out 1.5 hours later, the water temp had dropped to 125-130. Should I care?
Completely fine the way you bagged them.  No need at all to bag them separately.  The temperature drop should not matter too much since I assume you are going to pan fry it a bit briefly before serving.  A few points to note as to why the temperature may have dropped:

1. Could be the starting temperature of the Chicken was a bit cold.  You can bring them to room temperature before putting them in to lessen the chance of a temperature drop once it goes in the water.
2. The amount of chicken at the temperature before adding may have been too much resulting in the temperature drop.  (Number one, bringing to room temperature could solve this)
3. Size of the cooler in relation to amount of food placed in it.  The larger the cooler, the less chance of a temperature drop when food is placed in it. 
4. The amount of water filled.  The more water that fills the cooler, the less chance of a temperature drop.


Once you narrow it down, there is an easy solution to it.  Also, you can try starting the water a higher temperature to account for the drop.  Ideally you want chicken to be held at 140 degrees for at least 30 minutes to kill everything and to ensure proper cooking.

You should be completely fine though after your pan fry.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: SF1900 on February 15, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
TA, you never sent me the indian recipes!  >:(
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 15, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
I just made souse vide chicken thighs. .. set water temp @ 140 and left them in for an hour..

I had a q though. .. rather than individually bag each tiny thigh, I laid them flat in several rows in a large ziplock baggy and laid it in the water.... does it matter that theyre in the same baggy? They werent bunched up or touching each other.

also, when I took them out 1.5 hours later, the water temp had dropped to 125-130. Should I care?
Yeah, next time I would set the temperature at around 145-155 range just to be safe.  That should solve all of it easily.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 15, 2014, 09:44:15 PM
Here is another pizza of mine.  A Pan Pizza with a fermented crust, but made a bit thicker, doused in Olive oil for that ultimate Pan effect.
I can teach ANYONE to make this pizza.  If you can stir together ingredients, you can make this!
(http://i49.tinypic.com/mlmf4o.jpg)
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 15, 2014, 09:48:47 PM
TA, you never sent me the indian recipes!  >:(
PM sent!
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Shockwave on February 15, 2014, 09:51:41 PM
Cool. Thanks adam.  I left them in for 1.5 hours, so its fully possible theybsat at temp for an .5 hour.

theyre by far the most tender and delicious chicken ive ever made
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 15, 2014, 09:55:23 PM
Cool. Thanks adam.  I left them in for 1.5 hours, so its fully possible theybsat at temp for an .5 hour.

theyre by far the most tender and delicious chicken ive ever made
Awesome!!!!  Sounds like it worked perfectly!

I really like to hear this.  Just think, if you are ever stranded somewhere, without power and need to cook perfect chicken, as long as you have your cooler, thermometer and bag and know how to build a fire, you can eat like a king.  Same thing if the lights ever go out or the zombie apocalypse starts, or there is a nuclear war.  Guard that cooler with your life!

Yeah, chicken is best at this temperature.  It actually will taste like its meant to.  I suppose most people go their whole lives eating awfully cooked chicken when they really shouldn`t have to.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Tapeworm on February 15, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
I've been looking into buying a brick oven but those bitches are expensive.

You don't need a brick oven to make a damn pizza.  ::)  If you really believe in the theory of heat transfer from a stone base making a difference then put some bricks in the bottom of your oven.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 16, 2014, 02:02:33 AM
true adonis gimmick setting up this thread with style.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: BikiniSlut on February 16, 2014, 02:08:57 AM
Haha....TA Gimmicks are the best.  :D

But seriously why do you feel you need "someone" to promote you.

You obviously feel you give good advice so why not just start your own thread pertaining to cooking instead of pretending someone wants it.

You're fooling nobody.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: freespirit on February 16, 2014, 02:12:08 AM
 ;)



(http://31.media.tumblr.com/fa3a9e8c9bf6d9cca6ebbb4d2caef9bc/tumblr_mmlyggDkRz1rsfk85o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Trapper_Slapper on February 16, 2014, 02:31:22 AM
Here is another pizza of mine.  A Pan Pizza with a fermented crust, but made a bit thicker, doused in Olive oil for that ultimate Pan effect.
I can teach ANYONE to make this pizza.  If you can stir together ingredients, you can make this!
(http://i49.tinypic.com/mlmf4o.jpg)

DETAILS!!!
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: alabama ftw on February 16, 2014, 05:11:47 AM
The recipe for that pizza! Do you make desserts?
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 16, 2014, 05:56:23 AM
The recipe for that pizza! Do you make desserts?
One look at his physique should tell you the answer to that.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: BAST on February 16, 2014, 09:52:30 PM
i would appreciate more cooking content myself
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: alabama ftw on February 16, 2014, 10:33:41 PM
The recipe for that pizza! Do you make desserts?
Where is that pizza recipe?
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 16, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
I will get to all of it shortly.
Title: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: SuperTed on April 06, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
Was watching a few clips of Russian arm-wrestling legend and Olympic bobsleigh gold medallist Alexey Voevoda and when it came to his diet, I found it hard to believe. Voevoda has been a vegan for a few years and claims his diet consists off:

Breakfast - Water
Lunch - Vegetables
Dinner - Vegetables & Fruit

Also claims to fast on Mondays:



During this interview, he claims not to use protein shakes either:

http://www.xsportnews.com/armwrestling/interview-alexey-voevoda-about-armwrestling-and-bobsleigh/

The calories on such a diet will surely be far to low for a top strength athlete and the protein intake will be almost zero. What do you guys think? Possible or BS?
At 6'4ft and +250lbs, Voevoda is a big unit.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: _aj_ on April 06, 2014, 03:11:22 PM
I saw that vid too and I can't see how it's possible.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: wes on April 06, 2014, 03:11:58 PM
No protein ???

No,not believable at all.

EDIT:

I didn`t watch the video,so yes,for a guy like that it`s possible,but i wouldn`t recommend it to anyone with a brain.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: TrueGrit on April 06, 2014, 03:15:53 PM
Breakfast of champions..
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Marty Champions on April 06, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
you would be sleepy all the time on a vegetable diet i bet fatloss would be good you would probably sleep 16 hours a day for two weeks then slowly work back into normal amount of sleep and be pretty lean after two weeks, but theres no way in hell youll be doing much of anything at the start of the diet
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: SuperTed on April 06, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
Voevoda carries quite a lot of muscle. Is also a total powerhouse in strength:

Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: SF1900 on April 06, 2014, 03:31:30 PM
Voevoda was one of the best armwrestlers! Guy was a beast!
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Marty Champions on April 06, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
how did you conclude that when this is what was written, makes no sense either way shitty english

- Now I’ve switched to adequate food species, academician Alexander Ugolev described in the book “The Theory and nutrition and trophic ecology” (1991). I herbivorous and carnivorous, and frugivorous. So I do not eat meat, and drink the fruits, vegetables, and fruits. In winter, eat meals on the water. After the transition to a vegetarian diet, I feel better, stressoutoychivost increased, increased speed and strength. The fact that the microflora, which synthesizes hormones, prohormones, gives us all free. You just need to eat the right foods, among which the meat is not included.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 06, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
russia strong

Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: _aj_ on April 06, 2014, 03:45:08 PM
how did you conclude that when this is what was written, makes no sense either way shitty english

- Now I’ve switched to adequate food species, academician Alexander Ugolev described in the book “The Theory and nutrition and trophic ecology” (1991). I herbivorous and carnivorous, and frugivorous. So I do not eat meat, and drink the fruits, vegetables, and fruits. In winter, eat meals on the water. After the transition to a vegetarian diet, I feel better, stressoutoychivost increased, increased speed and strength. The fact that the microflora, which synthesizes hormones, prohormones, gives us all free. You just need to eat the right foods, among which the meat is not included.

There's a youtube vid out there in English. Micro flora synthesizes hormones? What kind of tomfoolery is this?
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: tbombz on April 06, 2014, 04:50:29 PM
I believe it. Vegetables are an amazing, overlooked and underrated fountain of nutrition, supplying basically everything necessary for both health and strength
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 06, 2014, 04:56:08 PM
Was watching a few clips of Russian arm-wrestling legend and Olympic bobsleigh gold medallist Alexey Voevoda and when it came to his diet, I found it hard to believe. Voevoda has been a vegan for a few years and claims his diet consists off:

Breakfast - Water
Lunch - Vegetables
Dinner - Vegetables & Fruit

Also claims to fast on Mondays:



During this interview, he claims not to use protein shakes either:

http://www.xsportnews.com/armwrestling/interview-alexey-voevoda-about-armwrestling-and-bobsleigh/

The calories on such a diet will surely be far to low for a top strength athlete and the protein intake will be almost zero. What do you guys think? Possible or BS?
At 6'4ft and +250lbs, Voevoda is a big unit.
OnlyMe, Keith, would have snapped his arm in half.  Onlyme broke that guys arm in Over the Top, the one who drinks motor oil.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 06, 2014, 04:57:16 PM
Here is a big vegan.

(http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/profile_avi_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 06, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
(http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/profile_avi_4.jpg)

54 years old I think.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 06, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
(http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/profile_avi_4.jpg)

54 years old I think.

How would you describe your nutrition program?
  I am not a person inclined to culinary quests, I keep my diet to the most simple ingredients. My staple foods are whole wheat bread, brown rice, oats, and beans. I consume very little soy as I find it very hard to cook and the whole phytosterol controversy makes it suspect for the moment. I do not consume oils per se but I will always include fat containing foods like tahini, olives, avocado, nuts etc. I don't concern myself with calories except making sure I eat enough for the day. Vegetables are a must and always in quantity but I don't really look for the much more expensive organic kind.

So in other words:

Carbs       65%

Protein     20%

Fats         15%
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Dago_Joe on April 06, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
Breakfast of champions..

Breakfast:  water.     ??? ::)

WTF?  This guy is taking the piss.  Unless he is eating 30 lbs of tofu as vegetables, i see no protein at all in there.  This guy eats less than Sev and Gal. 
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: wes on April 06, 2014, 06:27:30 PM
All green beans and cabbage.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 06, 2014, 08:39:44 PM
How would you describe your nutrition program?
  I am not a person inclined to culinary quests, I keep my diet to the most simple ingredients. My staple foods are whole wheat bread, brown rice, oats, and beans. I consume very little soy as I find it very hard to cook and the whole phytosterol controversy makes it suspect for the moment. I do not consume oils per se but I will always include fat containing foods like tahini, olives, avocado, nuts etc. I don't concern myself with calories except making sure I eat enough for the day. Vegetables are a must and always in quantity but I don't really look for the much more expensive organic kind.

So in other words:

Carbs       65%

Protein     20%

Fats         15%

This begs the question: If you're doing a large amount of test, do the typical nutritional requirements even apply?
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: MAXX on April 06, 2014, 10:58:34 PM
so he defies physics and creates mass from thin air? idk sounds like complete bs to me

cool guy but yeah alot of bs claims
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:06:07 PM
Unless you're on juice, you don't need that much protein.

Our primate cousins grow tons of muscle on a herbivorous diet.   
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: visualizeperfection on April 06, 2014, 11:10:11 PM
Unless you're on juice, you don't need that much protein.

Our primate cousin bluesteel1210 grow tons of muscle on an all-cock diet.   

fixed.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:13:30 PM
Even 1.5 g per pound of lean bodyweight is too much and its unhealthy.

Give your kidneys a break.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:14:32 PM
fixed.

Thanks.. That's what I meant
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: MAXX on April 06, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Unless you're on juice, you don't need that much protein.

Our primate cousins grow tons of muscle on a herbivorous diet.  
they have different much larger digestive system and eat constantly to meet their protein requirements


"An adult male gorilla may consume more than 18 kg (40 lb) of vegetation per day."
http://seaworld.org/en/animal-info/animal-infobooks/gorilla/diet-and-eating-habits/
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:20:08 PM
they have different much larger digestive system and eat constantly to meet their protein requirements


"An adult male gorilla may consume more than 18 kg (40 lb) of vegetation per day."
http://seaworld.org/en/animal-info/animal-infobooks/gorilla/diet-and-eating-habits/

They eat a lot more overall, and weight a lot more. What's your point?
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: MAXX on April 06, 2014, 11:24:46 PM
They eat a lot more overall, and weight a lot more. What's your point?
I thought we where talking protein here. Point is with the amounts they consume they take in more protein than you think.

say their bamboo/plant/seed/bugs diet contains avg 3% protein. with 18 kilo thats 540g protein...

adults humans that are half their weight can't consume 9 kilo greens. we are not designed for that.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:31:27 PM
I thought we where talking protein here. Point is with the amounts they consume they take in more protein than you think.

say their bamboo/plant/seed/bugs diet contains avg 3% protein. with 18 kilo thats 540g protein...

adults humans that are half their weight can't consume 9 kilo greens. we are not designed for that.

I think your figures are a bit off for a wild gorilla for example (I could be wrong). Consider the fact that they're naturally much, much stronger and have way more muscle mass so they do need way more protein per lb than humans. 

The DNA of gorillas is highly similar to that of a
human, from 95-99%
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:45:46 PM
How gorillas are like people

Gorillas have nearly the same DNA as human beings, which means that our body chemistry and theirs is almost exactly alike. Gorillas also have almost the same digestive system that we have. So how can gorillas grow up to be so big and strong without eating any meat (other than a few termites), any dairy products, any eggs, or any fish? Obviously, it's time for us to rethink the Four Food Groups dogma that we were taught in school, and the My Plate that replaced it.

When gorillas were first being kept in zoos in Europe and North America, they were fed the same kinds of food that the local people were eating. As a result, they fell prey to the same kinds of diseases that are the major causes of death in Europe and the United States but are rare among the peoples of Asia and Africa. Switching the gorillas back to something resembling their natural diet restored their health. The same thing happens to human populations that switch to a plant-based diet as a result of food rationing.
How gorillas are different from people

Gorillas are terrific weight-lifters, but human beings excel at long-distance running. Obviously, the gorilla's leafy diet provides enough protein to build strong muscle, as long as the gorilla gets enough calories, but the food is so low in calories that the gorillas have to spend all day eating. Like most leaf-eaters, they have to conserve their energy. In contrast, human beings can get enough energy from eating starchy staples, such as grains or starchy vegetables, to work all day, or to run marathons. That's why most human civilizations throughout world history have based their diet on some starchy staple, such as rice or wheat or corn or potatoes or sweet potatoes. Even our DNA tells us that human beings are starch eaters. Human beings have several extra copies of the gene for the starch-digesting enzyme.

The peoples in Asia, Africa, and Latin America who eat a starchy, plant-based diet are remarkably free from the chronic degenerative diseases that are major causes of death and disability and healthcare costs in the United States. The obvious solution to these health problems is to switch back to "hearty peasant fare": a diet based on starchy staples, such as grains and beans and starchy vegetables, along with other vegetables and fruit.

Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 06, 2014, 11:46:54 PM
 ??? http://www.gorillaprotein.com/protein_deficiency.html
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: MAXX on April 06, 2014, 11:50:17 PM
I think your figures are a bit off for a wild gorilla for example (I could be wrong). Consider the fact that they're naturally much, much stronger and have way more muscle mass so they do need way more protein per lb than humans. 

The DNA of gorillas is highly similar to that of a
human, from 95-99%

so? cows share like 80 something % of our dna. doesn't mean they have 80% the same digestive system as us  ::)

Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Mawse on April 07, 2014, 12:13:32 AM
Who would win in a fight between a gorilla, a pit bull, e kul and a 2003 Ronnie Coleman ?
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 07, 2014, 12:31:42 AM
Who would win in a fight between a gorilla, a pit bull, e kul and a 2003 Ronnie Coleman ?

I can tell you who the only loser would be...................... ........................ .................. E-Kul
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: dustin on April 07, 2014, 08:12:22 AM
If he's on "TRT" then I can believe it. He looks like he's lived a lifetime carrying lots of muscle on that massive frame. If he's dropped down to a low anabolic vegan diet, I can see him maintaining a heck of a lot of muscle. But I don't believe him entirely. Has to be on at least TRT.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: SuperTed on April 07, 2014, 08:44:08 AM
If he's on "TRT" then I can believe it. He looks like he's lived a lifetime carrying lots of muscle on that massive frame. If he's dropped down to a low anabolic vegan diet, I can see him maintaining a heck of a lot of muscle. But I don't believe him entirely. Has to be on at least TRT.

He's juicing for sure. Probably a fair bit more than TRT too.
If he's telling the truth, would this suggest that size can be mantained even on very low calories as long as your hormonal levels are high?
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: d0nny2600 on April 07, 2014, 08:59:36 AM
(http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/profile_avi_4.jpg)

54 years old I think.
Zappa looking big here
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Necrosis on April 07, 2014, 09:10:17 AM
I believe it. Vegetables are an amazing, overlooked and underrated fountain of nutrition, supplying basically everything necessary for both health and strength

It's patently false, he would die, you would believe something that's factually wrong.

YOU CANT LIVE ON FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. period, he is lying. he has to eat lentils, whey , eggs.

Vegetarian diets are unhealthy, want some evidence? or is your belief enough?

Acta Sci Pol Technol Aliment. 2013 Jul 1;12(3):311-8.

 Association of vegan diet with RMR, body composition and oxidative stress.

Nadimi H1, Yousefi Nejad A2, Djazayery A2, Hosseini M3, Hosseini S4.


Author information







Abstract


Background. There is increasing evidence to suggest that a vegetarian diet low in fat and high in complex carbohydrates offers the potential for decreasing the risk of chronic disease. However, there is little information about the effect of vegetarian diets on resting metabolic rate (RMR). The objective of this study was to determine the association of vegan diet with RMR and body composition and oxidative stress. Material and methodology. This research is a cross-sectional descriptive analytic study in which two groups of vegetarians and non vegetarians were compared. RMR was determined by indirect calorimetry, the amount of body fat mass (FM), the percentage of free fat mass (FFM), the markers of oxidative stress (MAD), poteins (PCO) and total anti-oxidatant capacity were measured in 20 vegetarians and 20 non-vegetarians. The two groups were matched with regard to body mass index, sex and menstrual cycle. Energy and macronutrient intakes were determined using a 3-day food record and body composition was determined by bioelectric impedance. Results. VEG reported a lower relative intake of protein (40.45 ±19.41 g, 56.96 ±11.94 g, p = 0.04), whereas no differences were observed in daily energy, carbohydrate or fat intakes and body composition. NVEG exhibited a higher absolute RMR (1354.7 ±192.6, 1569.10 ±348.24 Kcal/24 h, p = 0.02). PCO plasma density was seen signifi cantly higher among non-vegetarians (1.09 ±3.6, 0.81 ±0.42, p = 0.02). No signifi cant differences were seen in plasma density of TAC between two groups and MAD was higher amoung vegetarians. Conclusion. These results suggest that the lower RMR observed in VEG is partially mediated by differences in dietary macronutrient composition.


PMID: 24584960  [PubMed - in process]

Here is a brand new one

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0088278#abstract0

"Moreover, our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life. Therefore, public health programs are needed in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors."

Who would have thought that doing something counter to nature would result in a problem. Tbombz do you know what HCL is? it's in our stomach, do you know what that is for? do you know why our digestive system is so long?

I feel bad for you dude, you clearly suffer from mental illness, gave your self aids, in prison, fucking alienated your parents, family and friends and live in a car.

I know you think you got it figured out but know one will remember you when you die because all you did was catch aids. On your tombstone it will read, here lies tbombz who in order to cope with reality committed ego suicide and contracted aids. Stop living in a fantasy world, there are facts and truth out there.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Necrosis on April 07, 2014, 09:11:55 AM
Most vegetarians I know are sickly fucking stick figures with bad breath.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: MAXX on April 07, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
if tbombz believes in it then it must be garbage 100%

I strive to do the opposite of how tbombz does everything in life. In that way i cannot fail.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: dustin on April 07, 2014, 09:41:05 AM
I will get to all of it shortly.

Hey bub, where's that recipe!? 8)
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Mr Nobody on April 07, 2014, 09:41:38 AM
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 07, 2014, 09:50:35 AM
You don't need a brick oven to make a damn pizza.  ::)  If you really believe in the theory of heat transfer from a stone base making a difference then put some bricks in the bottom of your oven.

I have a feeling you could build one hell of a brick oven.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: liberty on April 07, 2014, 10:24:10 AM
"Who would win in a fight between a gorilla, a pit bull, e kul and a 2003 Ronnie Coleman ?"  ;D

Pure Gold !
   
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: _aj_ on April 07, 2014, 10:54:17 AM
It does beggar the thought-experiment about a vegan and a boatload of gear. Can a dude like this Russian be on enough gear to overcome a retarded vegan diet?

Just how much "partitioning" and amino acids can be taken out of vegetable-only sources?
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: wes on April 07, 2014, 11:05:34 AM
It's patently false, he would die, you would believe something that's factually wrong.

YOU CANT LIVE ON FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. period, he is lying. he has to eat lentils, whey , eggs.

Vegetarian diets are unhealthy, want some evidence? or is your belief enough?

Acta Sci Pol Technol Aliment. 2013 Jul 1;12(3):311-8.

 Association of vegan diet with RMR, body composition and oxidative stress.

Nadimi H1, Yousefi Nejad A2, Djazayery A2, Hosseini M3, Hosseini S4.


Author information







Abstract


Background. There is increasing evidence to suggest that a vegetarian diet low in fat and high in complex carbohydrates offers the potential for decreasing the risk of chronic disease. However, there is little information about the effect of vegetarian diets on resting metabolic rate (RMR). The objective of this study was to determine the association of vegan diet with RMR and body composition and oxidative stress. Material and methodology. This research is a cross-sectional descriptive analytic study in which two groups of vegetarians and non vegetarians were compared. RMR was determined by indirect calorimetry, the amount of body fat mass (FM), the percentage of free fat mass (FFM), the markers of oxidative stress (MAD), poteins (PCO) and total anti-oxidatant capacity were measured in 20 vegetarians and 20 non-vegetarians. The two groups were matched with regard to body mass index, sex and menstrual cycle. Energy and macronutrient intakes were determined using a 3-day food record and body composition was determined by bioelectric impedance. Results. VEG reported a lower relative intake of protein (40.45 ±19.41 g, 56.96 ±11.94 g, p = 0.04), whereas no differences were observed in daily energy, carbohydrate or fat intakes and body composition. NVEG exhibited a higher absolute RMR (1354.7 ±192.6, 1569.10 ±348.24 Kcal/24 h, p = 0.02). PCO plasma density was seen signifi cantly higher among non-vegetarians (1.09 ±3.6, 0.81 ±0.42, p = 0.02). No signifi cant differences were seen in plasma density of TAC between two groups and MAD was higher amoung vegetarians. Conclusion. These results suggest that the lower RMR observed in VEG is partially mediated by differences in dietary macronutrient composition.


PMID: 24584960  [PubMed - in process]

Here is a brand new one

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0088278#abstract0

"Moreover, our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life. Therefore, public health programs are needed in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors."

Who would have thought that doing something counter to nature would result in a problem. Tbombz do you know what HCL is? it's in our stomach, do you know what that is for? do you know why our digestive system is so long?

I feel bad for you dude, you clearly suffer from mental illness, gave your self aids, in prison, fucking alienated your parents, family and friends and live in a car.

I know you think you got it figured out but know one will remember you when you die because all you did was catch aids. On your tombstone it will read, here lies tbombz who in order to cope with reality committed ego suicide and contracted aids. Stop living in a fantasy world, there are facts and truth out there.
"You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands.

A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke.

In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition.

Well Rambo was the best"
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Dago_Joe on April 07, 2014, 11:08:04 AM
"You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands.

A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke.

In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition.

Well Rambo was the best"

Company leader calling Raven.  Company leader calling Raven. 
They're all dead sir. 
We can't let you go around wasting friendly civilians.
There are no friendly civilians!
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: wes on April 07, 2014, 11:08:46 AM
;D
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on April 07, 2014, 12:03:29 PM
I would like to start this thread somewhere actually.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 07, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
I have a feeling you could build one hell of a brick oven.
Get a pizza stone to put in the oven first, then throw the pizza on it after 20 mins.

good to go.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: The True Adonis on April 07, 2014, 12:17:31 PM
Get a pizza stone to put in the oven first, then throw the pizza on it after 20 mins.

good to go.
They work very well, but the ultimate is a Baking Steel, particularly this one.  You can also pull it out and use it as a griddle on the stovetop and to cook steaks, chicken and burgers.

http://bakingsteel.com/shop/baking-steel/
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 07, 2014, 12:17:51 PM
Get a pizza stone to put in the oven first, then throw the pizza on it after 20 mins.

good to go.

Oh yeah, I saw Alton Brown do that (mildly homo).
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: dustin on April 07, 2014, 12:22:22 PM
They work very well, but the ultimate is a Baking Steel, particularly this one.  You can also pull it out and use it as a griddle on the stovetop and to cook steaks, chicken and burgers.

http://bakingsteel.com/shop/baking-steel/

I used something similar for the pizza I made last night. Wasn't anything special, but I forgot how awesome homemade pizza tastes.

Found a few cold fermented recipes that I'll tinker with but was really hoping you'd share yours which is tried, testing and presumably true. My grandma left me with some really good different flours so I've been baking up a storm. Made tons of BBQ pork buns and a few pizzas in the last week.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: d0nny2600 on April 07, 2014, 12:59:47 PM
Adonis...
It's time to make a website of your recipes, training and principles. If you are actually interested in this pm me and I'll do the site.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Tapeworm on April 07, 2014, 01:10:56 PM
I have a feeling you could build one hell of a brick oven.

Well, if you're gonna go to all that trouble then might as well make it a proper forge so you can do a little smithing while the dough is rising.

(http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/169/1875/51709279/mv5bmji4mzk5mda0m15bml5banbnxkftztcwnzg1njyynw-4341068451191207594.jpg)

Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: James28 on April 07, 2014, 01:22:29 PM
I'd be interested reading an Adonis cooking blog.

Especially what he does with chicken. I'm completely out of ideas.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: dustin on April 07, 2014, 01:28:42 PM
I'd be interested reading an Adonis cooking blog.

Especially what he does with chicken. I'm completely out of ideas.

Yes! More ideas are good, especially for drab shit like chicken.

I have a love/hate relationship with food. When I'm in the mood and feeling creative, sometimes I cook huge meals that I don't even take a bite of myself. I just love cooking. Othertimes I'll eat nothing but shit all day because I'm upset about not knowing what I should cook, then my whole day spirals into rage and regret. Ideas help to mitigate situations like that, and he's always got some crazy good ideas.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Roger Bacon on April 07, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Well, if you're gonna go to all that trouble then might as well make it a proper forge so you can do a little smithing while the dough is rising.

(http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/169/1875/51709279/mv5bmji4mzk5mda0m15bml5banbnxkftztcwnzg1njyynw-4341068451191207594.jpg)



I loved gold so much that I even lost my genitaliens in an unfortunate smelting accident.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Necrosis on April 07, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
"You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands.

A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke.

In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition.

Well Rambo was the best"

I am going to use the word attrition more. That and chesterfield, two underrated words.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Marty Champions on April 07, 2014, 02:48:22 PM
How would you describe your nutrition program?
  I am not a person inclined to culinary quests, I keep my diet to the most simple ingredients. My staple foods are whole wheat bread, brown rice, oats, and beans. I consume very little soy as I find it very hard to cook and the whole phytosterol controversy makes it suspect for the moment. I do not consume oils per se but I will always include fat containing foods like tahini, olives, avocado, nuts etc. I don't concern myself with calories except making sure I eat enough for the day. Vegetables are a must and always in quantity but I don't really look for the much more expensive organic kind.

So in other words:

Carbs       65%

Protein     20%

Fats         15%
hahah thats a full of shit diet, i ate like that, no soy, same foods as him and just stay fat, this guy is on roids or is full of shit or both!
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Marty Champions on April 07, 2014, 02:51:33 PM
if you eat that little you would look like a concentration camp person. and beleive me those concentration camp people stressed there bodies and muscles more than any weightlifter on a low calorie diet

both these guys are so full of shit they should be put to death!
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 07, 2014, 03:13:29 PM
Most vegetarians I know are sickly fucking stick figures with bad breath.

Most vegetarians don't eat a lot of actual vegetables and use their dietary religion as a pretext to over consume carbs.

I eat animal protein three times a day and I'll gladly put my veggie consumption up against the average non-meat eating vegetarian.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: tbombz on April 08, 2014, 12:31:25 PM
Unless you're on juice, you don't need that much protein.

Our primate cousins grow tons of muscle on a herbivorous diet.   
whether on juice or natty, we really dont need much protein.

Plus, every vegetable has a complete amino acid profile (each and every essential amino acid, inclusing the BCAAs)  combine that with their alkaline PH, slow burning carbs, fibe and the short chain fatty acids that get sent to the liver as a result of their fermentation in the gut....  youve got an all around nutritional powerhouse  covers  just about every single nook and cranny of yournutritional needs
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Necrosis on April 09, 2014, 03:53:10 AM
whether on juice or natty, we really dont need much protein.

Plus, every vegetable has a complete amino acid profile (each and every essential amino acid, inclusing the BCAAs)  combine that with their alkaline PH, slow burning carbs, fibe and the short chain fatty acids that get sent to the liver as a result of their fermentation in the gut....  youve got an all around nutritional powerhouse  covers  just about every single nook and cranny of yournutritional needs

They do not have a complete amino acid profile, and show me evidence that PH has anything to do with health? the body tightly regulates PH, tightly, acidosis and alkalosis is rare, you have been duped by some internet web site selling testing strips, talking about alkaline ash and other non sense.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: wolfrittner on April 09, 2014, 04:05:48 AM
Here is another pizza of mine.  A Pan Pizza with a fermented crust, but made a bit thicker, doused in Olive oil for that ultimate Pan effect.
I can teach ANYONE to make this pizza.  If you can stir together ingredients, you can make this!
(http://i49.tinypic.com/mlmf4o.jpg)
Damn that looks pretty tasty, I must say!!
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: TrueGrit on April 09, 2014, 04:06:57 AM
Here is another pizza of mine.  A Pan Pizza with a fermented crust, but made a bit thicker, doused in Olive oil for that ultimate Pan effect.
I can teach ANYONE to make this pizza.  If you can stir together ingredients, you can make this!
(http://i49.tinypic.com/mlmf4o.jpg)

Divine. Hungry as shit now.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: tbombz on April 10, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
They do not have a complete amino acid profile, and show me evidence that PH has anything to do with health? the body tightly regulates PH, tightly, acidosis and alkalosis is rare, you have been duped by some internet web site selling testing strips, talking about alkaline ash and other non sense.
absolutely. The body does a great job keeping PH stable. But when your diet tilts in favor of acid, it has to use protein and calcium in the process that balances out the PH back  normal. Thus, jeeping the  filled with alkaline foods spares protein and calcium.  That's just one thing I know. Ill leave the rest unaddressed, except here I took a few minutes to dig up the amino acid profiles of broccoli and carrots
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: cephissus on April 10, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Lurmonious/italianrice_zpsa3305cd5.jpg)

just cooked this up today, was pretty damn tasty:

0.  steam two small heads of roughly broken-up broccoli while following the remaining steps.
1.  pour a couple tablespoons garlic-infused olive oil into pan (had this leftover from previous meal) which has been raised to medium heat.
2.  dice a little onion, a couple leaves of basil and parsley, and couple sun dried tomatoes.  mince a few cloves of garlic.
3.  saute onions until translucent.
4.  throw garlic in, saute until golden.
5.  throw sun dried tomatoes in, along with about 1/2 cup basmati rice and diced, pan-fried chicken breast (leftovers).
6.  continue cooking until everything is heated through, stirring minimally to brown the rice a bit.
7.  once broccoli is done, season rice with salt and pepper, stir in parsley and basil, plate and serve.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: Wolfox on April 10, 2014, 09:33:47 PM
Here is another pizza of mine.  A Pan Pizza with a fermented crust, but made a bit thicker, doused in Olive oil for that ultimate Pan effect.
I can teach ANYONE to make this pizza.  If you can stir together ingredients, you can make this!
(http://i49.tinypic.com/mlmf4o.jpg)

what kind of cast iron pan is that?
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on April 10, 2014, 10:03:21 PM
what kind of cast iron pan is that?

Looks like standard Lodge 15"..... pretty much the reference point for cast iron pans.  Only like $25 at target
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: jprc10 on April 11, 2014, 08:45:56 AM
This guy is also a vegetarian

(http://img.breakingmuscle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/side_portrait/images/author/_mg_9254_edit2.jpg)


Just like the guy adonis posted, there are countless examples of people that were able to build good physiques without eating meat or a ton of protein. IMO high protein or eating meat is unnecessary to build a good body.
Title: Re: Attn: True Adonis. Will you start a thread/blog pertaining to cooking?
Post by: visualizeperfection on April 11, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
Looks like standard Lodge 15"..... pretty much the reference point for cast iron pans.  Only like $25 at target

Great fucking buy.

I really only use it for steak. But its worth it just for that purpose.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Necrosis on April 12, 2014, 08:18:04 AM
absolutely. The body does a great job keeping PH stable. But when your diet tilts in favor of acid, it has to use protein and calcium in the process that balances out the PH back  normal. Thus, jeeping the  filled with alkaline foods spares protein and calcium.  That's just one thing I know. Ill leave the rest unaddressed, except here I took a few minutes to dig up the amino acid profiles of broccoli and carrots

They aren't complete proteins, nice chart.

Also, I don't buy it, the acidic foods are far less acidic then our HCl, it makes no sense chemistry wise, you put and weak acid in a strong acid what do you get?

All kinds of stuff leach calcium from the bone, soda pop for example does, it's pointless.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Shockwave on April 12, 2014, 08:22:03 AM
They aren't complete proteins, nice chart.

Also, I don't buy it, the acidic foods are far less acidic then our HCl, it makes no sense chemistry wise, you put and weak acid in a strong acid what do you get?

All kinds of stuff leach calcium from the bone, soda pop for example does, it's pointless.
Uh oh. I live on Pepsi Max diet soda.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: wes on April 12, 2014, 08:22:29 AM
I am going to use the word attrition more. That and chesterfield, two underrated words.

I too will attempt to crowbar/sandwich these two under-used powerhouses into random conversations.  ;)
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: wes on April 12, 2014, 08:24:28 AM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/mlmf4o.jpg)
This fucking pizza looks good...........gonna` eat some today now for sure.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: Necrosis on April 12, 2014, 08:41:33 AM
Uh oh. I live on Pepsi Max diet soda.

The phosphoric acid will leach you until you are a frail lady.

Pepsi, not even once.
Title: Re: Getbig Gurus! Is this diet believable? Very low calories/protein.
Post by: _aj_ on April 12, 2014, 08:55:50 AM
The phosphoric acid will leach you until you are a frail lady.

Pepsi, not even once.

A frail old lady...WITH MUSCLES AND GUNS!!!