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How much truth is there in the fact that we should maintain the body weight at higher level after bulking phase is over?
Lets say, I bulk up using AAS for 16 weeks and gained 15kgs. Bodyweight up from 90kgs to 105kgs.
Now shall I maintain 105kgs for several months before I start dieting for cutting phase?
What if I lean bulk for 12 weeks....immediately cut for 4 weeks.....again lean bulk for 12 weeks and then start contest prep of 12-14 weeks?
Any views/opinions please.
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How much truth is there in the fact that we should maintain the body weight at higher level after bulking phase is over?
Lets say, I bulk up using AAS for 16 weeks and gained 15kgs. Bodyweight up from 90kgs to 105kgs.
Now shall I maintain 105kgs for several months before I start dieting for cutting phase?
What if I lean bulk for 12 weeks....immediately cut for 4 weeks.....again lean bulk for 12 weeks and then start contest prep of 12-14 weeks?
Any views/opinions please.
Well if you maintain weight without injecting, you are just getting fat.
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haha 15kgs in 4months
boy you are clueless
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haha 15kgs in 4months
boy you are clueless
Yep, fat as fuck and water bloated.
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Well if you maintain weight without injecting, you are just getting fat.
Maintaining weight with still injecting....
haha 15kgs in 4months
boy you are clueless
I just put that number to explain the question. But, OTH in other thread has mentioned that 2lbs net weight in short bursts if I havent reached my genetic limits yet are doable. Anyways....please see if you can share your views about solidification theory. I'll change the number for you...lets say I gain 8kgs in 16weeks of which 5kgs are muscle and 3kgs are fat. Now, shall I immediately go into cutting mode by restricting calories severely as in GALENIKO diet? Or shall I maintain this newly acquired 8 kgs for few months before going on cut?
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haha 15kgs in 4months
boy you are clueless
Also, would like to know your view about how much net weight gain shall be expected during a bulk for someone who is still not reached his genetic limits and still has a lot of potential to grow? Unlike advanced bodybuilders who have already gained significant amount of muscle mass and thus can only expect 2-3kgs of actual muscle gain in a year. I asked this question in other thread of mine and OTH replied stating that 2lbs/week net gain of which 1lb muscle is doable in short bursts. I am not really sure how much longer that short bursts should be. But I assumed (may be incorrectly) that I can gain 2lbs for 4 months with comparatively larger doses of AAS and that would be fine. Guess I was wrong.
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Just eat normally
Most people will eat a surplus automatically, it's a survival thing and why people get fatter year after year
Start lean and eat when hungry and stop when full. If you notice yourself getting fatter then eat less
Do not "bulk" lol
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Yep, fat as fuck and water bloated.
i've gained 6 kilo in 2 and a half weeks and my bodyfat is still sub-7
i'm curious what your thoughts are on "bulking"? do you think it's good to bulk to maybe 9% and then hold it there and solidify it a bit?
i'm thinking bout going to 9% and then solidifying that gain by stopping the force feeding and just eating more normal while maintaining my bodyweight
also, my strength gains are going well so that's a signal to me that i can keep up with the force feeding (yeah i know that you don't buy into this heavy lifting gig, but if i lighten my training loads then i shrink real quick like)
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i've gained 6 kilo in 2 and a half weeks and my bodyfat is still sub-7
i'm curious what your thoughts are on "bulking"? do you think it's good to bulk to maybe 9% and then hold it there and solidify it a bit?
i'm thinking bout going to 9% and then solidifying that gain by stopping the force feeding and just eating more normal while maintaining my bodyweight
also, my strength gains are going well so that's a signal to me that i can keep up with the force feeding (yeah i know that you don't buy into this heavy lifting gig, but if i lighten my training loads then i shrink real quick like)
9% isnt bulking, its lean, I dont agree with getting fat to get big, it simply is a waste of time.
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dont listen to ace, hes an absolute idiot.
what you mean how much weight5 to expect from abulk?
yu can gain shittons of fat and water and evry little muscle,if any.
you know how much youve gained if you go all the way shredded then youll find out youve gained 14.8kgs of water and fat.
you dont put on more than 1kg of pure muscle in 4months, and no dont forward me to the testosterone studoes which tested gains, its all water.
so if youre lucky your gains have beemn mostly water, if not, its most fat.
i do not agrre with having a bulking at all.
ask yourself, whatfor
the body is 24hrs a day in building, rebuilding, growing, depleting, weightgain, weightloss state.
if you thought teroids are there for the purpose to inflate your muscle like its nothing, youre dead wrong.
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Muscle gain and maintenance has a lot to do with protein daily intake.
If high enough you will have a lot easier job at keeping those kilos.
In my case i must eat more than 3grams of protein per kilo of bodyweight otherwise i shrink. Some people can get away with a lot less.
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Maintaining weight with still injecting....
I just put that number to explain the question. But, OTH in other thread has mentioned that 2lbs net weight in short bursts if I havent reached my genetic limits yet are doable. Anyways....please see if you can share your views about solidification theory. I'll change the number for you...lets say I gain 8kgs in 16weeks of which 5kgs are muscle and 3kgs are fat. Now, shall I immediately go into cutting mode by restricting calories severely as in GALENIKO diet? Or shall I maintain this newly acquired 8 kgs for few months before going on cut?
you cant maintain naturaly whats built with hormones, easy as that.
and to maintain a weight, just for sake of maintaining a weight is stupid.
when you go off, muscle weight goes down, fat goes up, cant do nothing about it, wo why try to maintaine xtra fat weight.
going into a cutting diet straight after coming off gear is the worst uphil battle on could possibly choose.
can listen to whoever you prefer, 2lbs muscle gain weekly doesnt happen to anyone in the world.
when going off id try to stay as lean as possible, but in bb there is no coming off, well atleast theres no good enough results if one hasnt done done a few years non stop.
to maintain, minimum dosage, to diet, up dosage a bit, that it, thats the recipe.
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Also, would like to know your view about how much net weight gain shall be expected during a bulk for someone who is still not reached his genetic limits and still has a lot of potential to grow? Unlike advanced bodybuilders who have already gained significant amount of muscle mass and thus can only expect 2-3kgs of actual muscle gain in a year. I asked this question in other thread of mine and OTH replied stating that 2lbs/week net gain of which 1lb muscle is doable in short bursts. I am not really sure how much longer that short bursts should be. But I assumed (may be incorrectly) that I can gain 2lbs for 4 months with comparatively larger doses of AAS and that would be fine. Guess I was wrong.
well, 1lbs muscle plus 1 lbs of fat, thats hardly worth going for.
this all inst so simple ,it depends on so many things, cant even list them all.
you will literaly know how much or little it is when dieted down.
it takes time, all you can do is be on all the time, not drasticaly up the doses(what u gonna do when come down in dose,it feel like coming off gear), or coming off, huge error while trying to build yourself up, and eat enough protein, without getting too fat.
actualy, see this clown "ace" hes a good example on how slow gains are made, he hasnt made any in the last half decade.
train, inject, eat the right amount and wait.
if you listen tot he ppl who say use 5 gramms i can guarantee you youll never have a worth while physique.
put 1 guy on 250test all year, put other guy on 3 2 month cycles of 2 gramms tren and see which one is gonna look better.
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put 1 guy on 250test all year, put other guy on 3 2 month cycles of 2 gramms tren and see which one is gonna look better.
x1000
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9% isnt bulking, its lean, I dont agree with getting fat to get big, it simply is a waste of time.
so what about the concept to gain until you hit a certain level of bodyfat and then trying to solidify the gains and not getting any fatter?
or how about going up to 10% then dropping down to 7%, back and forth all the while striving to add solid lean muscle tissue
i know that my gains are lean muscle tissue coz my strength and training loads shot up, this doesn't happen without an increase in lean muscle tissue
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training loads shot up, this doesn't happen without an increase in lean muscle tissue
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this happens from wate retention alone
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you "know" fuck all
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so what about the concept to gain until you hit a certain level of bodyfat and then trying to solidify the gains and not getting any fatter?
or how about going up to 10% then dropping down to 7%, back and forth all the while striving to add solid lean muscle tissue
i know that my gains are lean muscle tissue coz my strength and training loads shot up, this doesn't happen without an increase in lean muscle tissue
Waist size tells it all. If you are holding water and skin calipers are ok but the mirror and waist size old school will tell you what you need to know.
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Waist size tells it all.
not exactly
coz if one force feeds themselves like i'm doing now the waist size will go up due to an increase in what's called "food in the gut" and this is neither a fat nor a lean muscle tissue
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not exactly
coz if one force feeds themselves like i'm doing now the waist size will go up due to an increase in what's called "food in the gut" and this is neither a fat nor a lean muscle tissue
What is it then just a turd that needs to dropped out?
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this happens from wate retention alone
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you "know" fuck all
a dumbbell incline press increase from 70 pound bells to 110 pound bells is a muscle tissue increase dumbass
water retention MY ASS
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What is it then just a turd that needs to dropped out?
it's called stomach bloat chief
but i know that you know this already and that you're just trying to troll my ass, mr. trollbody ;)
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it's called stomach bloat chief
but i know that you know this already and that you're just trying to troll my ass, mr. trollbody ;)
Galinkeo is right drop your steroids see what happens.
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dont listen to ace, hes an absolute idiot.
what you mean how much weight5 to expect from abulk?
yu can gain shittons of fat and water and evry little muscle,if any.
you know how much youve gained if you go all the way shredded then youll find out youve gained 14.8kgs of water and fat.
you dont put on more than 1kg of pure muscle in 4months, and no dont forward me to the testosterone studoes which tested gains, its all water.
so if youre lucky your gains have beemn mostly water, if not, its most fat.
i do not agrre with having a bulking at all.
ask yourself, whatfor
the body is 24hrs a day in building, rebuilding, growing, depleting, weightgain, weightloss state.
if you thought teroids are there for the purpose to inflate your muscle like its nothing, youre dead wrong.
lol
;D
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i know, this isnt such great example, but its good enough.
the dead zyzz guy.
he used what 500mgs weekly, 250tren 250 sust, thats what i remmeber he claimed, seems believeable.he playe around with deca but didnt like that.
anyway, he had gained plenty of real mass, i think this eveeryone can agree upon.
he started as dj-ace-181 level, ie , a skeleton with teethpickers for arms and legs.
he developed everything nicely., even legs.
did he ever get bulky in the process?no he didnt.
sure first year of real training or on gear, one can go a little bit bulky,but then never again.
or maybe when ones already big and wants to enter the next higher weight class for competitoton for whatever reason, well yeah then some bulk will be needed,or helpfull.but keep in mind at that stage they arent fat, they dont have this baby kinda fat deposits, they are simply so littered full of water from all the steroids and gh,that it loks worse than it is.
whats a reasonable shape to be in year round?5lbs over contest weight?10?
something like coach?fucking hell, if i look at coach, no disrespect, i know imediately the diet will be a nightmare.
in conclusion, steroids give very good gains, but at the cost that diet has to be paid attention to quite strict.
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dont listen to ace, hes an absolute idiot.
what you mean how much weight5 to expect from abulk?
yu can gain shittons of fat and water and evry little muscle,if any.
you know how much youve gained if you go all the way shredded then youll find out youve gained 14.8kgs of water and fat.
you dont put on more than 1kg of pure muscle in 4months, and no dont forward me to the testosterone studoes which tested gains, its all water.
so if youre lucky your gains have beemn mostly water, if not, its most fat.
i do not agrre with having a bulking at all.
ask yourself, whatfor
the body is 24hrs a day in building, rebuilding, growing, depleting, weightgain, weightloss state.
if you thought teroids are there for the purpose to inflate your muscle like its nothing, youre dead wrong.
Thank you for explanatory detailed posts Galeniko. Much appreciated.
With all due respect, and trust me I do believe your credibility on this forum and I certainly know that you've been in this game much longer than myself, I'd like to throw few doubts in this regards.
What would you suggest to a person who still has lots of potential to grow and become a competitive bodybuilder? I am 6'2" and as of today just 176lbs. Thats pretty skinny sort of. To become a national competitive bb, I have to get upto in the range of 230-240lbs within next few years.
I will be on AAS almost all the time and have no plans to come off sooner. There will be no coming off after bulking phase.
This fact changes the game a lil bit for sure. What would you suggest now?
I have to be in calorie surplus to gain bodyweight and thus muscle weight. Dante Trudell and company and many others do advocate bulking without getting fat (and who wants to get fat in the process) but still some amount of fat is inevitable. Why are you against the concept of this bulking?
Regarding testosterone study, on what grounds you say it was all water when researchers concluded that it was contractile tissue?
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well, 1lbs muscle plus 1 lbs of fat, thats hardly worth going for.
this all inst so simple ,it depends on so many things, cant even list them all.
you will literaly know how much or little it is when dieted down.
it takes time, all you can do is be on all the time, not drasticaly up the doses(what u gonna do when come down in dose,it feel like coming off gear), or coming off, huge error while trying to build yourself up, and eat enough protein, without getting too fat.
actualy, see this clown "ace" hes a good example on how slow gains are made, he hasnt made any in the last half decade.
train, inject, eat the right amount and wait.
if you listen tot he ppl who say use 5 gramms i can guarantee you youll never have a worth while physique.
put 1 guy on 250test all year, put other guy on 3 2 month cycles of 2 gramms tren and see which one is gonna look better.
1lbs muscle/week is hardly worth going for?
What do you think is the rate at which a newbie can gain muscle mass/week?
Lets say...I am on 750gm test + 500gm deca for 20 weeks with calorie surplus of 20% above maintenance, i.e. 3500 cals/week surplus = 1 pound of bodyweight gain, how much do you think will be muscle mass in this 1 pound?
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so what about the concept to gain until you hit a certain level of bodyfat and then trying to solidify the gains and not getting any fatter?
or how about going up to 10% then dropping down to 7%, back and forth all the while striving to add solid lean muscle tissue
i know that my gains are lean muscle tissue coz my strength and training loads shot up, this doesn't happen without an increase in lean muscle tissue
As per my understanding, this is the ideal approach. Go up to 12% cut back down to 8%...rinse and repeat. This range usually is the sweet spot for body to grow optimally as far as insulin sensitivity and stuff goes. But people here have different opinions. And thats what we would like to hear.
How much should be the rate of gaining during this uphill ride with minimal fat gain is the question.
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well, 1lbs muscle plus 1 lbs of fat, thats hardly worth going for.
this all inst so simple ,it depends on so many things, cant even list them all.
you will literaly know how much or little it is when dieted down.
it takes time, all you can do is be on all the time, not drasticaly up the doses(what u gonna do when come down in dose,it feel like coming off gear), or coming off, huge error while trying to build yourself up, and eat enough protein, without getting too fat.
actualy, see this clown "ace" hes a good example on how slow gains are made, he hasnt made any in the last half decade.
train, inject, eat the right amount and wait.
if you listen tot he ppl who say use 5 gramms i can guarantee you youll never have a worth while physique.
put 1 guy on 250test all year, put other guy on 3 2 month cycles of 2 gramms tren and see which one is gonna look better.
How do you suggest exactly shall I increase muscle mass within next couple of years? Do you suggest we shall not be in calorie surplus? Can you get me some guidelines about how much calorie surplus would be optimal for muscle gains? Eat when hungry (someone said above) just doesnt cut it for me. Lets say I am OCD in that regards and count every morsel I eat. I need to know how much cals I am eating on daily basis. Your views please.
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9% isnt bulking, its lean, I dont agree with getting fat to get big, it simply is a waste of time.
Yes I agree man.. It's much better to slowly keep adding lean quality muscle
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As per my understanding, this is the ideal approach. Go up to 12% cut back down to 8%...rinse and repeat. This range usually is the sweet spot for body to grow optimally as far as insulin sensitivity and stuff goes. But people here have different opinions. And thats what we would like to hear.
How much should be the rate of gaining during this uphill ride with minimal fat gain is the question.
a pretty knowledgeable friend of mine said that a good goal is 1 pound of lean tissue for each 4 pounds gained (pounds gained=fat, muscle, water and "food in the gut")
i've gained 13 pounds in 17 days and i'd say that 4 pounds of it is in fact lean musle tissue, so that would be a 1 in 3 gain ratio ie. 1 lean pound gained per each 3 pounds gained
and btw, mouthstanko don't like me coz i don't follow his dieting advices LOL
anyways, i am making real quality gains, and if you're interested i'll send ya the pics to prove it :)
right now i'm 74 kg @ 7% and i'll end up @ 80-82 kg but leaner and tighter within 3-4 months time :)
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a pretty knowledgeable friend of mine said that a good goal is 1 pound of lean tissue for each 4 pounds gained (pounds gained=fat, muscle, water and "food in the gut")
i've gained 13 pounds in 17 days and i'd say that 4 pounds of it is in fact lean musle tissue, so that would be a 1 in 3 gain ratio ie. 1 lean pound gained per each 3 pounds gained
and btw, mouthstanko don't like me coz i don't follow his dieting advices LOL
anyways, i am making real quality gains, and if you're interested i'll send ya the pics to prove it :)
right now i'm 74 kg @ 7% and i'll end up @ 80-82 kg but leaner and tighter within 3-4 months time :)
Mate....with AAS use, this ratio would turn favorable towards muscle side. I mean (I guess) half of the pounds gained could well be muscle.
You may have come across the study on ffm of sumo wrestlers.....1/3rd of the weight gained by them was muscle. And that was without drugs.
Thats why I can only guess that with AAS use, it would be greater muscle wrt fat.
But still, if I gain like 3-4lbs in a week.....ofcourse most of it would be fat. 1lbs or 2 per week would be optimal depending upon the dosages used.
Are you using AAS ace?
Yes...would definitely like to see your progress pics. That would be motivational :)
What is your height buddy?
And yes, I guessed it from Galeniko's comment about you that you might have royally pissed him off somewhere before. But he pretty much knows what he is talking about when it comes to dieting. So would like to read his posts on this forum.
Peace. :)
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Mate....with AAS use, this ratio would turn favorable towards muscle side. I mean (I guess) half of the pounds gained could well be muscle.
You may have come across the study on ffm of sumo wrestlers.....1/3rd of the weight gained by them was muscle. And that was without drugs.
Thats why I can only guess that with AAS use, it would be greater muscle wrt fat.
But still, if I gain like 3-4lbs in a week.....ofcourse most of it would be fat. 1lbs or 2 per week would be optimal depending upon the dosages used.
Are you using AAS ace?
Yes...would definitely like to see your progress pics. That would be motivational :)
What is your height buddy?
And yes, I guessed it from Galeniko's comment about you that you might have royally pissed him off somewhere before. But he pretty much knows what he is talking about when it comes to dieting. So would like to read his posts on this forum.
Peace. :)
i'm 5'11" with tiny joints
here's me at the end of last may and my goal is to hit this same level of conditioning but to weigh bout 5-7 more kilos
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
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You look like you have HIV
I hope to god you haven't been injecting to achieve that.
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You look like you have HIV
I hope to god you haven't been injecting to achieve that.
he looks like those old alcoholics you see ripped to the max in wifebeaters mising teeth.
a sort of crackhead physique if you will
i think he should up the dose big time
and include multiple doses of food per day.
Dallas buys club look.
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You look like you have HIV
I hope to god you haven't been injecting to achieve that.
hiv with 15 and a half inch dry and shredded arms, yeah sure thing chief
i'd be willing to bet that you've never been that lean and dry in your entire lifetime ;)
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Ace, how much do you weigh in this pic? Its because you are taller, you are looking lanky. But ripped nonetheless.
I bet I'd look like same at the end of my diet few weeks later. I know how much pain is involved in filling a tall frame like us.
Best wishes for your bulk Ace.
How did you diet down to this leanness? Share if you dont mind.
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hiv with 15 and a half inch dry and shredded arms, yeah sure thing chief
i'd be willing to bet that you've never been that lean and dry in your entire lifetime ;)
lol 15.5" arms at 5'11
watch out guys
nah I've never been that shredded, but pretty close. I've not needed to go all the way because I don't compete
not sure what that has to do with anything though. You're debating points with guys that have a good 20lb of size on you lol, at similar heights. Curious as to what gear you used and to see a recent pick. I don't doubt that you could gain 10lb from that in a year. But half of that in 17 days? lol what the fuck were you doing for the rest of the year? Let me guess you add in some orals and thought it was all lean tissue? ::)
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comeon filling out tall frames what kind excuse is that.
5f11 isnt tall frame.
i know ppl 6ft 5 300lbs lean.
this sport isnt for excuses, neithe ris it for the mentaly challenged like "ace"
epic stage 4 teenage aids physique right there
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Ace, how much do you weigh in this pic? Its because you are taller, you are looking lanky. But ripped nonetheless.
I bet I'd look like same at the end of my diet few weeks later. I know how much pain is involved in filling a tall frame like us.
Best wishes for your bulk Ace.
How did you diet down to this leanness? Share if you dont mind.
i weighed all of a buck 54 ie. 70 kilos LOL
my diet was about 1600-1800 cals a day and maybe every 4th or 5th day i ate around 2200-2400
lol 15.5" arms at 5'11
watch out guys
nah I've never been that shredded, but pretty close. I've not needed to go all the way because I don't compete
not sure what that has to do with anything though. You're debating points with guys that have a good 20lb of size on you lol, at similar heights. Curious as to what gear you used and to see a recent pick. I don't doubt that you could gain 10lb from that in a year. But half of that in 17 days? lol what the fuck were you doing for the rest of the year? Let me guess you add in some orals and thought it was all lean tissue? ::)
yep i know that 15.5 inches ain't much but i got wee tiny wrists which are bearly 6 inches and anyone who says that frame/joint size doesn't matter with regards to having large measurements is a delusional fucking idiot :D :D :D
i always run low dose orals anywhere from 10 mg to 50 mg per day MAX, i'm not a bodybuilder and i don't want to weigh anymore than 80-82 kg and i just know that i can accomplish this on low dose orals
my natty PR was 76 kg @ 7-8%
i had a pretty bad shoulder injury a few years back and it is kinda what held me back for awhile, but i've rather recently completely rehabbed the fucking thing so now i can go full bore on the chest and back work
and when i say i've gained 6, it's 6 kilos not pounds
6 kilo=13.2 pounds
here's the thing... 10 pounds of only LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE is a shit load for someone like me who only has maybe 30 pounds of lean muscle tissue in that ripped pic
yeah, i weigh a buck 54 there, but take away the weight of the bones, skin, and organs then there is maybe 30 pounds of lean muscle tissue there, so when you think of a 10 pound gain in those terms then it changes things a bit
what i can't figure out is why some fellas get butthurt when i say flat out that i don't want to be "big"
it's not that serious chiefs
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i'm 5'11" with tiny joints
here's me at the end of last may and my goal is to hit this same level of conditioning but to weigh bout 5-7 more kilos
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
You look like you've been cycling meth, as opposed to steroids.
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You look like you've been cycling meth, as opposed to steroids.
spoken like a true perma bulker
10 to 1 odds you've never seen 10% let alone sub-6
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spoken like a true perma bulker
10 to 1 odds you've never seen 10% let alone sub-6
at this impressive height of 511, do you find it hard to walk under doorways?
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at this impressive height of 511, do you find it hard to walk under doorways?
;D
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Post a picture of this 6kg "gain" then
You just posted a before picture. So what, who cares. You don't want to get "too big". So what? It means nothing in this context. I don't care what your arm size or wrist size is, you're small as fuck lol. The picture shows that. 6kg of lean tissue is a large amount yes, and on that frame it would be a big difference yes, but I have no idea why you keep repeating this when you've not even shown a picture of the 6kg "gain", just the before
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Post a picture of this 6kg "gain" then
You just posted a before picture. So what, who cares. You don't want to get "too big". So what? It means nothing in this context. I don't care what your arm size or wrist size is, you're small as fuck lol. The picture shows that. 6kg of lean tissue is a large amount yes, and on that frame it would be a big difference yes, but I have no idea why you keep repeating this when you've not even shown a picture of the 6kg "gain", just the before
im 6'5 310lbs at 6%.
just dont ask me for a picture.
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Yep, fat as fuck and water bloated.
Naw, it's all muscle. Straight lean gains, bud.
(http://chismetime.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fat_babythumbnail.jpg)
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i know, this isnt such great example, but its good enough.
the dead zyzz guy.
he used what 500mgs weekly, 250tren 250 sust, thats what i remmeber he claimed, seems believeable.he playe around with deca but didnt like that.
anyway, he had gained plenty of real mass, i think this eveeryone can agree upon.
he started as dj-ace-181 level, ie , a skeleton with teethpickers for arms and legs.
he developed everything nicely., even legs.
did he ever get bulky in the process?no he didnt.
sure first year of real training or on gear, one can go a little bit bulky,but then never again.
or maybe when ones already big and wants to enter the next higher weight class for competitoton for whatever reason, well yeah then some bulk will be needed,or helpfull.but keep in mind at that stage they arent fat, they dont have this baby kinda fat deposits, they are simply so littered full of water from all the steroids and gh,that it loks worse than it is.
whats a reasonable shape to be in year round?5lbs over contest weight?10?
something like coach?fucking hell, if i look at coach, no disrespect, i know imediately the diet will be a nightmare.
in conclusion, steroids give very good gains, but at the cost that diet has to be paid attention to quite strict.
I can't explain it any better. You need the gear to grow, but your training and what you eat dictate what your body composition will look like. If you eat like a slow you'll look like one. You don't have to do that. Just eat a little over maintenance and a little more protein and less carbs to balance that. If you want to get even more shredded, up the protein and scale back the carbs even more. You want to look like gal? Go even further.
The gear needs to be there, but if you don't train or eat properly then it'll be reflected to you when you look in the mirror. Sometimes you can get away with eating like shit but it's not required at all. It just wastes time when you need to cut and subsequently feel small. I never get puffy anymore. It's disgusting and I'd rather be skinnier if something's got to be picked between the two. Being skinny, you can easily blow up lean. Whereas cutting fat is miserable when you've got a lot to shed. I'd rather be lean and starve for a day if I had a bad habit for a few days.
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I can't explain it any better. You need the gear to grow, but your training and what you eat dictate what your body composition will look like. If you eat like a slow you'll look like one. You don't have to do that. Just eat a little over maintenance and a little more protein and less carbs to balance that. If you want to get even more shredded, up the protein and scale back the carbs even more. You want to look like gal? Go even further.
The gear needs to be there, but if you don't train or eat properly then it'll be reflected to you when you look in the mirror. Sometimes you can get away with eating like shit but it's not required at all. It just wastes time when you need to cut and subsequently feel small. I never get puffy anymore. It's disgusting and I'd rather be skinnier if something's got to be picked between the two. Being skinny, you can easily blow up lean. Whereas cutting fat is miserable when you've got a lot to shed. I'd rather be lean and starve for a day if I had a bad habit for a few days.
Thanks for the post Dustin.
What is your opinion about the approach of gain up to 15% bodyfat then cut back to 8-10%...rinse and repeat?
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comeon filling out tall frames what kind excuse is that.
5f11 isnt tall frame.
i know ppl 6ft 5 300lbs lean.
this sport isnt for excuses, neithe ris it for the mentaly challenged like "ace"
epic stage 4 teenage aids physique right there
Difficulty in filling out tall frames is written not in the context of giving excuse Gal.
Filling out tall frame is the sole purpose of this thread.
That is why I am asking and getting opinions from experts here about how to do it optimally.
Please see if you can answer my queries in previous posts.
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Thanks for the post Dustin.
What is your opinion about the approach of gain up to 15% bodyfat then cut back to 8-10%...rinse and repeat?
I thought the writing was on the wall? Hell no. No one needs to get that fat. It doesn't do anything. If you're purely strength training then that's the only time I'd say to bloat up that big.
I wish someone sat me down as a youngin' and told me about how worthless permabulking was. It didn't help that all my scrawny friends admired my fatceps, but that's usually how it goes. After some time people lose track of things and don't realize how fat they are. 10% body fat with blurry abs is massive to me. Have to be lean at all times. I only gain 5-10lbs at a time and slowly trickle down to a lower weight again, being a couple lbs heavier and more shapely. I am not a fan of bulking up huge amounts at all.
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I thought the writing was on the wall? Hell no. No one needs to get that fat. It doesn't do anything. If you're purely strength training then that's the only time I'd say to bloat up that big.
I wish someone sat me down as a youngin' and told me about how worthless permabulking was. It didn't help that all my scrawny friends admired my fatceps, but that's usually how it goes. After some time people lose track of things and don't realize how fat they are. 10% body fat with blurry abs is massive to me. Have to be lean at all times. I only gain 5-10lbs at a time and slowly trickle down to a lower weight again, being a couple lbs heavier and more shapely. I am not a fan of bulking up huge amounts at all.
This ^^^ you live and learn by mistakes in the past, well some do.
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Post a picture of this 6kg "gain" then
You just posted a before picture. So what, who cares. You don't want to get "too big". So what? It means nothing in this context. I don't care what your arm size or wrist size is, you're small as fuck lol. The picture shows that. 6kg of lean tissue is a large amount yes, and on that frame it would be a big difference yes, but I have no idea why you keep repeating this when you've not even shown a picture of the 6kg "gain", just the before
it's now up to 8 kilo :)
anyways, i never said that it was 8 kilo of pure lean muscle tissue lol
8 kilo of pure lean muscle tissue in less than 3 weeks? i don't think so chief :D :D :D
it's most likely 2 kg of pure lean muscle tissue, maybe 3 if i'm lucky
the plan is to weigh in at 80 kg @ sub-7 by the end of june, and right now i'm 76 kg @ sub-9
i'll go up to 80 kg @ sub-10 i believe and then the plan is to try and solidify that gain by maintaining my bodyweight but doing a body sculpt of losing fat weight while gaining muscle at the same time
at that point in time the trick will be trying to figure out how many cals to eat to put myself into that ultimate state and i'll probably consult with the our own true adonis for some diet advices :D
i'm thinking bodyweight times 15 is about right calorie wise, but maybe i could even do it with bodyweight times 20 since i'm now eating in the neighborhood of over 4 grand cals per day
i'll hit 80 kg in 2 weeks time i predict
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You said you gained 4lb of lean tissue in 17 days, or 6lb, whatever it was
This simply does not happen. I don't know why you keep changing it. You corrected me and said it was actually 6kg and now 8kg, but only 2kg lean tissue which is what I said in the first place
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it's because i've gained 2 more kilo over the past few days
4 pounds of lean muscle tissue can happen when you've had that muscle before ;)
as i've already said, i rehabbed my shoulder completely and now i can train all out on chest and back, hence the 4 pound fast gain ie. regain of previous muscle tissue
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Over a year yes
in 17 days, nope. Not going to happen, physiologically impossible. We are talking 2,000g of protein synthesized as muscle tissue.
117g a day
Are you really saying that 25-50% of all the protein you eat was synthesized as muscle?
Think about that for a few minutes.
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Thank you for explanatory detailed posts Galeniko. Much appreciated.
With all due respect, and trust me I do believe your credibility on this forum and I certainly know that you've been in this game much longer than myself, I'd like to throw few doubts in this regards.
What would you suggest to a person who still has lots of potential to grow and become a competitive bodybuilder? I am 6'2" and as of today just 176lbs. Thats pretty skinny sort of. To become a national competitive bb, I have to get upto in the range of 230-240lbs within next few years.
I will be on AAS almost all the time and have no plans to come off sooner. There will be no coming off after bulking phase.
This fact changes the game a lil bit for sure. What would you suggest now?
I have to be in calorie surplus to gain bodyweight and thus muscle weight. Dante Trudell and company and many others do advocate bulking without getting fat (and who wants to get fat in the process) but still some amount of fat is inevitable. Why are you against the concept of this bulking?
Regarding testosterone study, on what grounds you say it was all water when researchers concluded that it was contractile tissue?
Dude if you can spend 2-3 lac every few months...no one can stop you. I mean it.
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You said you gained 4lb of lean tissue in 17 days, or 6lb, whatever it was
This simply does not happen. I don't know why you keep changing it. You corrected me and said it was actually 6kg and now 8kg, but only 2kg lean tissue which is what I said in the first place
He has no idea what he talks about most of the time.
Dude needs to find a coach who could help him out , looking t his goals. Ebbing forums will not help much in his case, if he really wants to achieve the goal he talks about.
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Dude if you can spend 2-3 lac every few months...no one can stop you. I mean it.
I dont understand this post. Stop me from what?
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Over a year yes
in 17 days, nope. Not going to happen, physiologically impossible. We are talking 2,000g of protein synthesized as muscle tissue.
117g a day
Are you really saying that 25-50% of all the protein you eat was synthesized as muscle?
Think about that for a few minutes.
then how do you explain this?
he gained 46 pounds in 28 days and his bodyfat was basically unchanged
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1f519b97db63eaa38b6fba91ea9871/tumblr_inline_mihx0fvpgt1qbqieb.png)
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then how do you explain this?
he gained 46 pounds in 28 days and his bodyfat was basically unchanged
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1f519b97db63eaa38b6fba91ea9871/tumblr_inline_mihx0fvpgt1qbqieb.png)
It was regained weight, his muscle simply loaded up with glycogen due to the training and large steroid intake.
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It was regained weight, his muscle simply loaded up with glycogen due to the training and large steroid intake.
yep
so now i'm basically at the point of my previous best so any gain after this will be new territory pour moi 8)
i ordered some dbol from my source but he only had winny on hand so i guess that i'll have to run the winny instead on dbol
this "dry" gainer "wet" gainer stuff has me a bit confused since i'm still rather a newbie, but i'm starting to think that "dryness/wetness" is based on overall caloric intake
hmmmm......
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yep
so now i'm basically at the point of my previous best so any gain after this will be new territory pour moi 8)
i ordered some dbol from my source but he only had winny on hand so i guess that i'll have to run the winny instead on dbol
this "dry" gainer "wet" gainer stuff has me a bit confused since i'm still rather a newbie, but i'm starting to think that "dryness/wetness" is based on overall caloric intake
hmmmm......
stop taking orals and inject, you are risking your health and limiting your gains.
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stop taking orals and inject, you are risking your health and limiting your gains.
yeah, i've heard this about 1000 times now, but here's the thing... it ain't all drugs
i've taken more drugs and made worse gains coz my training sucked ass
and on the opposite hand i've taken less drugs and made better gains coz my training was near spot on
in my own personal experience training is VERY VERY IMPORTANT and correct training is HEAVY PROGRESSIVE TRAINING
in fact, i will prove this
my db incline press is now @ 70 pound bells for 5-6 reps and i'm predicting that i'll hit 90 pound bells for 5-6 reps within 2 months time, and when i do you can be damn, damn sure that my pecs, delts, and tris will be thicker, no fucking doubt about it
mr. trollbody has my pec pics from this past week and i will send him new pec pics once i hit 90x5-6 and then he can say if my pecs, delts and tris are indeed thicker or not ;)
i still can't believe that you can train like a pussy like you do and not lose size ??? ??? ??? lucky you chief
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yeah, i've heard this about 1000 times now, but here's the thing... it ain't all drugs
i've taken more drugs and made worse gains coz my training sucked ass
and on the opposite hand i've taken less drugs and made better gains coz my training was near spot on
in my own personal experience training is VERY VERY IMPORTANT and correct training is HEAVY PROGRESSIVE TRAINING
in fact, i will prove this
my db incline press is now @ 70 pound bells for 5-6 reps and i'm predicting that i'll hit 90 pound bells for 5-6 reps within 2 months time, and when i do you can be damn, damn sure that my pecs, delts, and tris will be thicker, no fucking doubt about it
mr. trollbody has my pec pics from this past week and i will send him new pec pics once i hit 90x5-6 and then he can say if my pecs, delts and tris are indeed thicker or not ;)
i still can't believe that you can train like a pussy like you do and not lose size ??? ??? ??? lucky you chief
Take your head out of your ass FFS,if you want to make any gains at your age and size then its drugs or it wont happen.
Forget everything you think you know about lifting and diet making the difference and drugs being the finishing touch, drugs when added to a great diet and consistent training plan are the fucking magic wand.
Now, either take the fucking plunge of fuck off.
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it doesnt work wiothout drugs and thats that.
they are precisely what makes the difference, if everything else is on par.
ace, you are one of the dumbest most ignorant motherfuckers i came across, with your bottom barrel genetics drugs would be the only tool to ever make any gains.
you fucking clown polluting the board with your cacophonia dry-wet gains oh brother.
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it doesnt work wiothout drugs and thats that.
they are precisely what makes the difference, if everything else is on par.
ace, you are one of the dumbest most ignorant motherfuckers i came across, with your bottom barrel genetics drugs would be the only tool to ever make any gains.
you fucking clown polluting the board with your cacophonia dry-wet gains oh brother.
X2
Ace was born to ride my cock
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then how do you explain this?
he gained 46 pounds in 28 days and his bodyfat was basically unchanged
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1f519b97db63eaa38b6fba91ea9871/tumblr_inline_mihx0fvpgt1qbqieb.png)
I want to be this awesome. Wow, that's some serious gainage.
I wonder what the hell he ran, how his doses were, how he ate and how he trained. His legs noticeably got jacked up.
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Take your head out of your ass FFS,if you want to make any gains at your age and size then its drugs or it wont happen.
Forget everything you think you know about lifting and diet making the difference and drugs being the finishing touch, drugs when added to a great diet and consistent training plan are the fucking magic wand.
Now, either take the fucking plunge of fuck off.
Haha, laying the smack down.
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then how do you explain this?
he gained 46 pounds in 28 days and his bodyfat was basically unchanged
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1f519b97db63eaa38b6fba91ea9871/tumblr_inline_mihx0fvpgt1qbqieb.png)
You got the genes of Casey?
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mouthstanko really is pissed off that i don't follow his dieting advices
hahahahahahaha!!!!
fuck him
and my pecs destroy yours dipshit :-*
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yep
so now i'm basically at the point of my previous best so any gain after this will be new territory pour moi 8)
i ordered some dbol from my source but he only had winny on hand so i guess that i'll have to run the winny instead on dbol
this "dry" gainer "wet" gainer stuff has me a bit confused since i'm still rather a newbie, but i'm starting to think that "dryness/wetness" is based on overall caloric intake
hmmmm......
Great, so what you're saying is you've made no progress but got fatter
We can finally move on
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Great, so what you're saying is you've made no progress but got fatter
We can finally move on
lol
good point ;D
p.s. i'm one of the better trolls on board, but not quite as good as mr. trollbody or ma main man che
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Doing stupid shit in real life, making no gains and telling people online that you are making gains isn't "trolling"
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Doing stupid shit in real life, making no gains and telling people online that you are making gains isn't "trolling"
trolling is getting people to react in anger and to get under thier skin
so you don't think that i do that LOL
and yeah, i have made some gains, and you can ask mr. trollbody if i have, since he's seen my pics ;)
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trolling is getting people to react in anger and to get under thier skin
so you don't think that i do that LOL
and yeah, i have made some gains, and you can ask mr. trollbody if i have, since he's seen my pics ;)
Yes trolling is a art and I'm not quite up there with che yet but chasing.
Yes Dj has made some gains but I'm not clear as to how much since he is holding a bit more fat and water now so when that comes off we will see, I am not a fan of bulking but I'll give him credit for a bit of progress. Progress is progress in this game better than no progress.
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trolling is getting people to react in anger and to get under thier skin
so you don't think that i do that LOL
and yeah, i have made some gains, and you can ask mr. trollbody if i have, since he's seen my pics ;)
post them
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post them
i don't post pics here anymore, and not because i'm "afraid"
it's basically coz i think the vast majority of the guys here are shitheads so it's basically kinda like a "fuck you" to them ;)
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But you just posted pics
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Ace, you look like shit.
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Ace, you look like shit.
im sure he is aspiring to be as muscular as you.
are you a paki
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im sure he is aspiring to be as muscular as you.
are you a paki
Nope and yes, I'm huge 'visualizeperfection'.
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Nope and yes, I'm huge 'visualizeperfection'.
yes. huge indeed.
huge fagget.
good morning, btw.
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Keep in mind "trolling" isn't welcome on the steroid board.
Act mature here and keep your trolling on the G&O.
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fixed :)
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Alas...original question remains unanswered. This thread went in unwanted direction unfortunately.
:(
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Alas...original question remains unanswered. This thread went in unwanted direction unfortunately.
:(
not exactly
i've gained nearly 20 pounds in 4 weeks time and my bodyfat has gone from 6% to 9% so now the plan is to gain a few more pounds while taking my bodyfat back down to 6-7%
how will i do it? well, i'll cut down on the force feeding while continuing to lift heavier and heavier training loads
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mouthstanko really is pissed off that i don't follow his dieting advices
hahahahahahaha!!!!
fuck him
and my pecs destroy yours dipshit :-*
Standing next to Galeniko, you look like his paraplegic Down syndrome ridden brother. You fucking bone rack don't ever compare yourself to Gal, 6' 200lbs 6%. His arms are bigger than your legs, no surprise since you don't train them. And why are you even on the Steroid Forum, you bitchmade "I only take orals" fagget. Looking for some good advice on how to stack 3-4 orals for your next cycle? How's about you just grab a steak knife and just start stabbing yourself in the liver. Just as healthy as what you are doing.
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Standing next to Galeniko, you look like his paraplegic Down syndrome ridden brother. You fucking bone rack don't ever compare yourself to Gal, 6' 200lbs 6%. His arms are bigger than your legs, no surprise since you don't train them. And why are you even on the Steroid Forum, you bitchmade "I only take orals" fagget. Looking for some good advice on how to stack 3-4 orals for your next cycle? How's about you just grab a steak knife and just start stabbing yourself in the liver. Just as healthy as what you are doing.
thanks for your concern about my liver, but it's doing just fine
so fuck off
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Keep pumping yourself full of orals and get back to me on how your liver is fine. All ballbusting aside, is it just a needle fear? We all got our phobia's so I could completely understand that. You're missing out on the best compounds and gains you could ever imagine is all. Cant have a friend inject for you?
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not fear, more like an annoyance
also, it just seems more dirty to me
kinda like snorting coke is ok, but shooting up horse is something done in the gutter
again, that's just how i feel about it, so don't take it personal
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not fear, more like an annoyance
also, it just seems more dirty to me
kinda like snorting coke is ok, but shooting up horse is something done in the gutter
again, that's just how i feel about it, so don't take it personal
No worries. Your personal choice is just that, yours. Evan though I am busting balls, you are obviously passionate about lifting and improving so much that you went darkside. A simple start of 500mgs of test plus a couple of your orals would do wonders. To each his own though homie
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That's quite the analogy of snorting some ya-yo and booting some diesel LoL. More like snorting some toot is ok but whacking it sends you to the moon and you burn out like a shooting star haha!
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Standing next to Galeniko, you look like his paraplegic Down syndrome ridden brother. You fucking bone rack don't ever compare yourself to Gal, 6' 200lbs 6%. His arms are bigger than your legs, no surprise since you don't train them. And why are you even on the Steroid Forum, you bitchmade "I only take orals" fagget. Looking for some good advice on how to stack 3-4 orals for your next cycle? How's about you just grab a steak knife and just start stabbing yourself in the liver. Just as healthy as what you are doing.
Stop with this nonsense on the board.
No personal attacks will be tolerated.
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Stop with this nonsense on the board.
No personal attacks will be tolerated.
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Word. I realed it in after the initial post and had genuine questions for Dj. Sometimes you forget to change your settings from G & O mode to Steroid forum mode
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stopped the forcefeeeding so now the fun begins with trying to solidify my gains, so chetanbarokar if you're interested in what happens then hit me with with a pm and i'll keep ya posted brother
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4 pages of what?
keep gains after bulking?
keep your kcals adequate with enough protein... keep training intensity high enough to make your body 'keep' the muscle.
I dunno what else there is.
always stay 'on' something. pull the AAS and you'll lose some muscle and gain fat.