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Max performance, fewer workouts, or workout more often while not being 100% peaked.
How should we approach this?
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max of course
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More frequent for the natural trainer.
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Max performance.
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For long term health...train more but lighter, cardio etc.
For building muscle... Train your balls off 3 times a week.
If you chose the latter, welcome to arthritis and nerve issues at 40 like me.
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Define max performance?
That issue aside the best thing to do is to periodise so that you peak at one aspect of performance (if we think bodybuilding then you run a 3 week training cycle where you can accumulate more volume / load / tension etc) briefly and then take the foot off the gas with that one aspect and work on peaking at another.
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lol
You laugh at people....yet you're a race traitor who moved in with a whore and now you have a terminally ill child. Good job moron.
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Max performance, fewer workouts, or workout more often while not being 100% peaked.
How should we approach this?
both.
max performance, with working out more often.
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For long term health...train more but lighter, cardio etc.
For building muscle... Train your balls off 3 times a week.
If you chose the latter, welcome to arthritis and nerve issues at 40 like me.
Why do people claim joints and nerve issues when training hardcore I go balls to the wall but i use good form and i warm up properly i dont have these so called problems.
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both.
max performance, with working out more often.
Agree with this mostly.
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Why do people claim joints and nerve issues when training hardcore I go balls to the wall but i use good form and i warm up properly i dont have these so called problems.
Give it 25 years... Then get back to us. I didn't have issues either during my hey day. And 25 years of training is not a Getbig exaggeration... It's literal. Getting old is a fucking bitch.
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For long term health...train more but lighter, cardio etc.
For building muscle... Train your balls off 3 times a week.
If you chose the latter, welcome to arthritis and nerve issues at 40 like me.
good post..itīs what i wrote in another thread itīs about Intensity. Training frequency is determined by intensity and this has for some a Long term effect.
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both.
max performance, with working out more often.
NICE, best answer ^^^^
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For long term health...train more but lighter, cardio etc.
For building muscle... Train your balls off 3 times a week.
If you chose the latter, welcome to arthritis and nerve issues at 40 like me.
What happened to the muscle?
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both.
max performance, with working out more often.
you can't have both...
you guys ::)
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Give it 25 years... Then get back to us. I didn't have issues either during my hey day. And 25 years of training is not a Getbig exaggeration... It's literal. Getting old is a fucking bitch.
Been lifting max weights over 30 years and in the shape of my life. Zero aches and pains. A healthy lifestyle is the fountain of youth.
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you can't have both...
you guys ::)
how would you work out at peak performance and at the same time work out more frequently than where you are at peak performance
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I used to train 4 days a week back when i was competing in the 90s but I train 5 days a week now, just go in and burn out a couple of bodyparts.
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Why do people claim joints and nerve issues when training hardcore I go balls to the wall but i use good form and i warm up properly i dont have these so called problems.
You don't go balls to the wall, you go balls to the mouth you nut fondling jizz bubbling sphincter loving manfucker. Fuck off.
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For long term health...train more but lighter, cardio etc.
For building muscle... Train your balls off 3 times a week.
If you chose the latter, welcome to arthritis and micro penis at 40 like me.
good post
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Pretty much been established by studies that on drugs train a bodypart once a week as protein synthesis is raised far longer than if natty, if natty then better off doing full body 2-3 times a week with lower volume.
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good post
I had to look twice. ;D
Like his lady friends.
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I had to look twice. ;D
Like his ugandan sailor friends.
great post
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not sure what is best for muscle growth... I d say best would be to train at max and often while eating a lot ,
take steroids, but for some normal 9 to 5 average joe like with a family life, none of this is realistic so i have to settle with training as often as possible at low/medium intensity for short amounts of time.
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Stimulate don't annihilate.
-Lee Haney
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MAX. Dont waste your time and energy w half measures as with anything in life
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I train to suit how I feel. Sometimes I train heavy and hard, sometimes I just go through the motions but I always make up the workouts. Have shoulder injury now so it restricts upper body training, just pussy foot through half my body parts (cables, machines etc) but increase volume and decrease rest to feel it.
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if people actually gained muscle from working out then they wouldnt need steroids
so thus
that being said it doesnt matter how hard or how relaxed your training sessions are
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how would you work out at peak performance and at the same time work out more frequently than where you are at peak performance
the body becomes as efficient as you train it to be. if you dont think you can perform at max levels, more frequently, then you will never achieve it.
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the body becomes as efficient as you train it to be. if you dont think you can perform at max levels, more frequently, then you will never achieve it.
you cant keep gaynign and gayning muscle either why fool ones self all of there adult lives
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you cant keep gaynign and gayning muscle either why fool ones self all of there adult lives
tell that to ultra marathoners.
they put their bodies thru feats of endurance that would kill a normal person, or severly damage their organs if they could manage to override physical pain and continue to race that is.
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I always get stronger bigger when I start doing everything (or at least upper body) 3 times a week but usually after a month my joints start to hurt and I have to scale it back
I'm thinking of doing something where I hit everything 3 times a week for one week, then 2 times the 2nd week, then one time the third week (adjusting so that the weekly volume remains about the same) and then start over
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tell that to ultra marathoners.
they put their bodies thru feats of endurance that would kill a normal person, or severly damage their organs if they could manage to override physical pain and continue to race that is.
me telling them or you wont change you, people get great pleasure in attempting to gayn muscle even if they arent gayning, you and they enjoy the 'ride' even if its just a ride, its far too familiar to let go now after all these years
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I always get stronger bigger when I start doing everything (or at least upper body) 3 times a week but usually after a month my joints start to hurt and I have to scale it back
I'm thinking of doing something where is hit everything 3 times a week for one week, then 2 times the 2nd week, then one time the third week (adjusting so that the weekly volume remains about the same) and then start over
wo ww wow you must look increadebly huyyoge , always getting stronger and bigger w wooow (http://www.abebooks.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Strongest-Man-That-Ever-Lived.jpg)
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Depending on how you look at it peak performance could be as simple as feeling the muscle work each workout no matter what weight is used, etc. That's the way I look to make sure to do it with the added frequency. I may not necessarily lift more but to always feel the muscle flexing/working properly is "peak".
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Depending on how you look at it peak performance could be as simple as feeling the muscle work each workout no matter what weight is used, etc. That's the way I look to make sure to do it with the added frequency. I may not necessarily lift more but to always feel the muscle flexing/working properly is "peak".
got damn are you drunk is that how you measure peak peformance really? thats actually a non definite way you described you drunk bastard
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wo ww wow you must look increadebly huyyoge , always getting stronger and bigger w wooow (http://www.abebooks.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Strongest-Man-That-Ever-Lived.jpg)
stronger and bigger ( or arghhh!!!)
there is something going on in your body when you lift big weights on a daily basis or something similar
I'm surprised you couldn't figure that out
there is a reason why Olympic weightlifters train multiple times per day and multiple times per week
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the body becomes as efficient as you train it to be. if you dont think you can perform at max levels, more frequently, then you will never achieve it.
Why are almost everyone on getbig so damn predictable in their answers?
I know you can push the max performance frequency to a certain extent. But is it beneficial to go beyond this in frequency. That all I was asking.
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This natural appears to thrive on a relatively low frequency:
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This natural appears to thrive on a relatively low frequency:
nice...he Looks good and lifts a very good weight. his form is good too. Not really sure about the shrug exercise but the Deads and squats look spot on. Maybe doing conventional shrugs he canīt overload his traps enough / or his grip gives out...what ever the case he is doing a great Job. good find.
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Only time i saw These shrugs like he did was on a Multi gym flat machine press. But not often, only once or twice but maybe a good move for us all to try.
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nice...he Looks good and lifts a very good weight. his form is good too. Not really sure about the shrug exercise but the Deads and squats look spot on. Maybe doing conventional shrugs he canīt overload his lats enough / or his grip gives out...what ever the case he is doing a great Job. good find.
What caught my attention was that he trains each body part once every 12 days or so - on a 4 way split.
He does however do a sensible amount of volume (ie not 1 set to failure) but 4-6 working sets per muscle group.
Unlike some of the more extreme HIT type routines eg one workout every 12 days or so - using a 4 way split such as this spread over a 12 day period would maybe serve to ensure that no de-conditioning effect would set in.
Here he is putting his theory out there for discussion on another site:
http://www.exrx.net/Questions/TrainingFrequency.html
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very good find .. i think it makes good sense what he wrote. Still it echos to a degree what i wrote on another thread.."intensity" is key.. frequency follows as a natural Progression.
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Why are almost everyone on getbig so damn predictable in their answers?
I know you can push the max performance frequency to a certain extent. But is it beneficial to go beyond this in frequency. That all I was asking.
how do you expect ot improve if you dont push past barriers, or set points?
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how do you expect ot improve if you dont push past barriers, or set points?
i train as hard as i can every time i go to the gym
some times it aint there sometimes it is
but i always try and do better than last time
otherwise whats the point
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Give it 25 years... Then get back to us. I didn't have issues either during my hey day. And 25 years of training is not a Getbig exaggeration... It's literal. Getting old is a fucking bitch.
I train very hard 2x a week, and at 80% the other 2x a week. Alternate which days you "kill it".
If you're going 1000% on chest day, I mean total fcking failure, 25-30 sets, hit every angle, wreck it... you can't really be ready for back day in 22 hours. at least not at 37 years old lol.
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the body becomes as efficient as you train it to be. if you dont think you can perform at max levels, more frequently, then you will never achieve it.
Yep.
I have found this to be true, just recently.
TELL your body what you want. USUALLY it will respond.
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I do whatever I feel like that day, so sometimes it's lots of light sets and other days it's just a few heavy ones.
Do you know how much more muscle I would have if I went Hardcore all the time? absolutely none. My priority is minimizing the injuries I got from training Hardcore in my twenties and early 30s
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the body becomes as efficient as you train it to be. if you dont think you can perform at max levels, more frequently, then you will never achieve it.
wow bro you are nailing the posts as of late. This is motivating on so many levels, fearless strong minded attitude. It's what takes you to the next level, 8)
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falcon telling it how it is in this thread
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wow bro you are nailing the posts as of late. This is motivating on so many levels, fearless strong minded attitude. It's what takes you to the next level, 8)
thanks brother. very nice to hear coming from you.
know what prompted this discovery? cycling.
i stopped playing sports in my 20's was always athletic. i scrapped it all cause god forbid any cal i take in not go towards building muscle. ::) fuck i was dumb.
so i started cycling to the gym, just for exercises sake. 30k return trip. plus now im doing a lot of singletrack. im prolly averaging over 150k a week, and have at least 19 hrs of saddle time this month alone. for 400+ km.
what i discovered is exactly what ive said here- your body will build up a tolerance to the stresses you put it under, and not just build up a tolerance, but be able it increase its ability to perform to the demands you put on it, given proper rest, nutrition and anabolics- to aid in repair not for growth per say.
my cycling plus workout is a 3hr session of intensity. i dont rest between sets, and i average 24ish km/h on a mountain bike when im cycling so im hauling ass the whole time. i would wager my heartrate is well over 130-150bpm for those 3 hrs.
i do this 4 times a week, on top of the rec riding i now do. i feel great. i am in the best shape of my life. not just to look at but functionally. and i have only just started. by fall i know it'll be insane what i'll be capable of doing.
i think what helps is that guys like us who have trained for decades are really in tune with their bodies. we know when to eat, when to train, when to back off, when to push the throttle. i think if i didnt have this awareness a person could prolly burn out as it is a fine line between repair and ability to perform at max levels consistently.
the body is an amazingly resilient and remarkable mechanism. the feats you hear guys being able to do leave you go- how the fuck can he train like that, or perform like that. its simple he just went out and started doing it and kept pushing himself and didnt ever allow it to be 'good enough' im constantly battling the clock when i ride trying to be faster. im always trying to set PBs (personal bests) it drives me to be better.
at the end of the day, your drive determines your abilty to increase performance as long as the other 3 things i mentioned are in place. i think at the end of the day, everyone has the physical ability to do these things. its just not alloowing yourself to believe it cant be done, and just going out and doing it, not just at the same level, but better and faster every time.
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Is this a disguised HIT vs volume debate? I see what you did.
When you are young and bodybuild you should train for strength. Even then the weight should by cycled. Hitting max weight every time you train is just nuts. Olympic lifters and Power lifters don't do it so why do bodybuilders think every session should be maxed weight.
When you get to around 45 to 50 you have to be aware of joint issues. How many guys who started bodybuilding at 18 have severe shoulder problems past 40? Many now have knee, back and hip issues in their 50's.
If I had to do it again I would train for strength in my 20's. IN my thirties and forties I would train with volume but still have strength days mixed in. In my 50's and beyond I would train with mainly volume with strength being used sparingly.
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I've been training hard for 48 years(natty) This is what works for me now. I train heavy one time per week. Arms one week and bench, lats, shrugs,abs the next. I'm actually amazed that I'm getting bigger and stronger. I'm 5'11 and 215. Carrying a little too much bodyfat but not to bad(no gut) I'm starting to think that I was over-training for most of my life.
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Stimulate don't annihilate.
-Lee Haney
Ronnie was the other way around and he won 8x Mr. O's in a more competetive era(90's)
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A god damn seniors circuit on here.
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Ronnie was the other way around and he won 8x Mr. O's in a more competetive era(90's)
But look at them now in their retirement years. ;)
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Is this a disguised HIT vs volume debate? I see what you did.
When you are young and bodybuild you should train for strength. Even then the weight should by cycled. Hitting max weight every time you train is just nuts. Olympic lifters and Power lifters don't do it so why do bodybuilders think every session should be maxed weight.
When you get to around 45 to 50 you have to be aware of joint issues. How many guys who started bodybuilding at 18 have severe shoulder problems past 40? Many now have knee, back and hip issues in their 50's.
If I had to do it again I would train for strength in my 20's. IN my thirties and forties I would train with volume but still have strength days mixed in. In my 50's and beyond I would train with mainly volume with strength being used sparingly.
great post.
i couldnt agree more with the point i bolded. took me years to learn this. before that i followed progressive overload style of training and took a weight to failure and tried to add weight or reps each week. the result was always the same once past raw begginer stage, good for first 4 to 6 weeks, then very little progress, always feeling tired and weak out of gym, and eventually bareley getting a rep or too witha weight that was done for 6 + the week before.
trying out a routine that wave cycled the weights and varied the volume and included deload days was a godsent, stregth skyrocketed, shoulders and lats had stretch marks for first time ever in 5 years of training, strong out of the gym as well as in. far better long term strength gains despite slower ahort term.
suprisingly most of the size gains came when deloadin and not pushing into new poundage territor.