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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Texas Ranger on July 14, 2014, 12:47:59 AM
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You hear guys on different boards saying this, but I'm not sure if it's true or not. There's two ways of thought. One group says, "You'll grow on practically anything your first run, so just start out with something light." 250mgs of Test/wk with some Dbol, Tbol, or Anavar(30-40mgs/ED). The other says, " You only get one First Cycle, so make it count!" They recommend 500-1000mgs of Test/wk, 400mgs of Deca, Dbol/Anadrol, and possibly Tren. In Dan Duchaine's last published article before his death, "Dick And Jane's First Steroid" he recommended 600-1000mgs of Test cyp or enanthate a week for a beginner if size and strength are your goals. Do you agree or disagree?
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You hear guys on different boards saying this, but I'm not sure if it's true or not. There's two ways of thought. One group says, "You'll grow on practically anything your first run, so just start out with something light." 250mgs of Test/wk with some Dbol, Tbol, or Anavar(30-40mgs/ED). The other says, " You only get one First Cycle, so make it count!" They recommend 500-1000mgs of Test/wk, 400mgs of Deca, Dbol/Anadrol, and possibly Tren. In Dan Duchaine's last published article before his death, "Dick And Jane's First Steroid" he recommended 600-1000mgs of Test cyp or enanthate a week for a beginner if size and strength are your goals. Do you agree or disagree?
I have to go with the conservative cycle for your first time out. the body can only grow at a certain rate and if the heavier cycle makes you grow faster it wouldn't be marginal at best and the sides for a first time out would not be worth the trade off
BTW welcome to getbig brother ;)
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I get much more results now from much smaller dosages. My first cycles sucked, they just highlighted that I was delusional and didn't know shit about shit. Now I know what I'm doing (to an extent) and am doing better than ever on what some consider children's dosages.
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The best cycle is the one in which you do everything right.
Keep in mind, lowering doses feels bad.
If you think higher doses make you grow quicker, you will be disappointed.
You are naive, it's obvious, if you are going to do cycles on and off, the results will not be worth it.
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I don't really get this at all
I've never come off and spend most of my time under half a gram
Am I going to get "first cycle" gains forever? I don't understand the logic of this. Steroids will always work
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I don't think the first cycle is the best. It's probably one of the worst to be more honest. Because usually the person doesn't know what he is doing. And they are not use to how their body responds to hormones.
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your best 1st cycle is going to be your 1st tren cycle
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I have to go with the conservative cycle for your first time out. the body can only grow at a certain rate and if the heavier cycle makes you grow faster it wouldn't be marginal at best and the sides for a first time out would not be worth the trade off
BTW welcome to getbig brother ;)
Thanks! I appreciate it.
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The best cycle is the one in which you do everything right.
Keep in mind, lowering doses feels bad.
If you think higher doses make you grow quicker, you will be disappointed.
You are naive, it's obvious, if you are going to do cycles on and off, the results will not be worth it.
And you are presumptuous. I merely posed a question. Don't correlate post count to knowledge, sir.
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Best cycle is when u first run tren. And r lucky enough to not get side effects
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And you are presumptuous. I merely posed a question. Don't correlate post count to knowledge, sir.
I am really happy that you are posting here, you will get opposition here but don't take it to heart, everyone has an opinion but there will not be any disrespectful comments at all thrown your way or any ''noob comments'' I WILL DELETE THEM ALL. ;)
Very good question BTW, this thread will be very interesting. 8)
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I don't think the first cycle is the best. It's probably one of the worst to be more honest. Because usually the person doesn't know what he is doing. And they are not use to how their body responds to hormones.
true but in some cases 20lb of muscle right off the bat is not unheard of.
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my first cycle was 16mgs a day of Winstrol(Zambon) tabs, I blew up like a balloon.
Hard vascular ripped.
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And you are presumptuous. I merely posed a question. Don't correlate post count to knowledge, sir.
If you have to ask such a question, then you have no knowledge on steroids.
You will agree with me in a couple of years.
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If you have to ask such a question, then you have no knowledge on steroids.
You will agree with me in a couple of years.
There you go assuming yet, AGAIN. ::) Some people just don't get it.... ;)
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my first cycle was 16mgs a day of Winstrol(Zambon) tabs, I blew up like a balloon.
Hard vascular ripped.
It's not the first time I've heard of someone thinking outside of the box and having great success. Before the days of the internet, guys used whatever they could get their hands on. How were the size and strength gains, sir?
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I have to go with the conservative cycle for your first time out. the body can only grow at a certain rate and if the heavier cycle makes you grow faster it wouldn't be marginal at best and the sides for a first time out would not be worth the trade off
BTW welcome to getbig brother ;)
OTH, in YOUR opinion, what is an ideal first cycle?
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OTH, in YOUR opinion, what is an ideal first cycle?
Straight up test @ 500mg per week for 10 weeks
I do not think more then 1 compound is necessary the first time out and if that is the case then the compound you choose has to be test because taking anything will shut your natural production down so you would have to replace your test levels with test.
As for 500 mg per week, well that is introducing more then 5 times your natural production, do everything right and your body should grow faster then it ever has before.
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Straight up test @ 500mg per week for 10 weeks
I do not think more then 1 compound is necessary the first time out and if that is the case then the compound you choose has to be test because taking anything will shut your natural production down so you would have to replace your test levels with test.
As for 500 mg per week, well that is introducing more then 5 times your natural production, do everything right and your body should grow faster then it ever has before.
I was going through some of the old posts and read on here where several guys recommended 250mgs of Test a week for 6-12 months. Good idea?
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I was going through some of the old posts and read on here where several guys recommended 250mgs of Test a week for 6-12 months. Good idea?
Hell yeah
Even 250mg with some dianabol is more than enough for a beginner user
I stayed on 250mg for 6 months after initially going way too high (well over a gram) and the results have been better than the silly amounts 8)
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I was going through some of the old posts and read on here where several guys recommended 250mgs of Test a week for 6-12 months. Good idea?
IMO yes a good idea, however I would commit to 10 weeks first before you make a long term decision so you can weigh the pros and cons.
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Hell yeah
Even 250mg with some dianabol is more than enough for a beginner user
I stayed on 250mg for 6 months after initially going way too high (well over a gram) and the results have been better than the silly amounts 8)
Yes year long cycles go well with cycling orals like d-bol
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IMO yes a good idea, however I would commit to 10 weeks first before you make a long term decision so you can weigh the pros and cons.
So, you would recommend starting with 250mgs of Test for 10 weeks? Assess the results then extend it?
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So, you would recommend starting with 250mgs of Test for 10 weeks? Assess the results then extend it?
if you are considering using for longer periods then start low, like 250mg. then after 10 weeks assess everything and if all goes well then keep going, if results start to halt after a few months then throw in some d-bol pre workout.
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if you are considering using for longer periods then start low, like 250mg. then after 10 weeks assess everything and if all goes well then keep going, if results start to halt after a few months then throw in some d-bol pre workout.
That sounds simple enough. It should be pretty effective since it's roughly 2-3 times more than what our body produces a week.
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I was reading a few posts from a guy named Galeniko that said all rookies should start out with 250mgs of Test a week for the 6-12 months. Should be Bump up the doses to 500mgs/wk for the 2nd year. The key being NOT coming off and staying committed.
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You hear guys on different boards saying this, but I'm not sure if it's true or not. There's two ways of thought. One group says, "You'll grow on practically anything your first run, so just start out with something light." 250mgs of Test/wk with some Dbol, Tbol, or Anavar(30-40mgs/ED). The other says, " You only get one First Cycle, so make it count!" They recommend 500-1000mgs of Test/wk, 400mgs of Deca, Dbol/Anadrol, and possibly Tren. In Dan Duchaine's last published article before his death, "Dick And Jane's First Steroid" he recommended 600-1000mgs of Test cyp or enanthate a week for a beginner if size and strength are your goals. Do you agree or disagree?
Imo your best cycle is your best cycle, the initial weight gain that comes from introducing high doses of anabolics into your system during the first 2 - 4 weeks doesnt mean jack shit since its pretty much all water/nitrogen/bloodvolume related, you want to completely ignore it and look at the lb you put on once a week or fortnight there after because those slow solid gains are what really count in the long run.
People chasing those instant weight gains are the ones who tend to push doses to extremes chasing meaningless numbers on a scale despite looking like a smooth wad of ass, real muscle takes time to synthesise regardless of the dose and I dont recommend pushing up doses until you hit a wall for 4 weeks and cant see any difference in the mirror with a perfect diet and training protocol.
Being big and being muscular are two completely different things and i personally know guys who think theyre shit hot drop from 20 stone to 14 and a half to compete and still place 4th and fellas who drop around stone during pre contest and win at the national level.
Quality over quantity always in my book but most people arent mentally prepared for it and the majority of us make this mistake at first including myself.
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Imo your best cycle is your best cycle, the initial weight gain that comes from introducing high doses of anabolics into your system during the first 2 - 4 weeks doesnt mean jack shit since its pretty much all water/nitrogen/bloodvolume related, you want to completely ignore it and look at the lb you put on once a week or fortnight there after because those slow solid gains are what really count in the long run.
People chasing those instant weight gains are the ones who tend to push doses to extremes chasing meaningless numbers on a scale despite looking like a smooth wad of ass, real muscle takes time to synthesise regardless of the dose and I dont recommend pushing up doses until you hit a wall for 4 weeks and cant see any difference in the mirror with a perfect diet and training protocol.
Being big and being muscular are two completely different things and i personally know guys who think theyre shit hot drop from 20 stone to 14 and a half to compete and still place 4th and fellas who drop around stone during pre contest and win at the national level.
Quality over quantity always in my book but most people arent mentally prepared for it and the majority of us make this mistake at first including myself.
Im guilty of this too when i was younger. Ide eat all I could to gain 20 lbs every damn cycle and get bigger but look like shit and lose alot when u come off reality is 20 lbs of pure muscle if u r lean would look way better if 20lbs of straight meat is possible to build in a short amount of time.
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I think if I had to 're-do' my first cycle, it'd be 500mg test cyp and 250mg tren enan twice a week, along with 50mg dbol preworkout... for 4-6 months, then 2 months at just 250mg test/wk, then back on the 500mg test cyp and 250mg tren enan twice a week, with the dbol.... keeping everything the same.
there's no need to constantly increase the "on cycle/blast" dosage each cycle.
you can do 4g/wk your first cycle, then come 'off' at 250mg per week for whatever amount of time, then go back to 4g/wk for your second 'cycle' and continue that for years without having to go to 5g/wk or even 4.5g/wk or whatever.
how much weight/size/muscle you put on is largely do to your diet, not the drug dosage. higher doses just make it easier with a looser diet... so if you can afford it, why not use higher dosages?
you have guys who play the "well, I look better than you at half the dosage"... woopiddy do. you're comparing genetics? lol.. that's like some dude saying "I have a much better nose than you.." or "I was born with much better cheekbone genetics". lol... bragging about a superior genetic response to drugs is about as silly as it gets.