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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/meast/isis-haines-family-message/
(CNN) -- British aid worker David Haines has been executed by ISIS militants, according to a video posted Saturday to a website associated with the group, making him the third Western captive to be killed by the Islamist extremist group in recent weeks.
The ISIS video post showing Haines' beheading called his execution "a message to the allies of America."
It is produced very similarly to the videos that showed the executions of American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, the last of which included Haines and the threat that he'd be killed next.
The new video pictures a masked ISIS militant placing his hand on another captive, whom he identified as Alan Henning, a British citizen.
In a tweet, British Prime Minister David Cameron called "the murder of David Haines" an "act of pure evil."
ISIS addresses Britain in execution video
Cameron added, "We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes."
Haines offers brief scripted comments on the video, as does the man who kills him.
Directing his remarks at Britain, the executioner -- who sounds like the man who killed Foley and Sotloff -- says, "Your evil alliance with America, which continues to strike the Muslims of Iraq and most recently bombed the Haditha dam, will only accelerate your destruction and claim the role of the obedient lap dog.
"Cameron will only drag you and your people into another bloody and unwinnable war."
Retired Lt. Col. Rick Francona -- an Air Force veteran intelligence officer and CNN military analyst -- surmised that if ISIS planned to dissuade Britain for teaming up with the United States, the group will be disappointed.
"ISIS has just guaranteed British cooperation with the American on all phases of what we're going to be doing," Francona said. "... I think this is now a Western fight; it's not just a U.S. fight."
Haines' family just sent public message to his captors
News of the gruesome killing came the same day that Haines' family released a brief message to his captors through the British Foreign Office.
In it, the family says, "We have sent messages to you to which we have not received a reply. We are asking those holding David to make contact with us."
A logistics and security manager for the Paris-based Agency for Technical Cooperation and Development, a nongovernmental humanitarian agency, the 44-year-old Haines was abducted in March 2013 near a refugee camp in Atmeh, Syria.
At that time, Haines was working to arrange for the delivery of humanitarian aid to people staying at the camp. He had previously worked on aid operations for victims of conflict in the Balkans, African and other parts of the Middle East, according to an ACTED spokesman.
British hostage of ISIS was helping displaced Syrians, aid group says
Haines' face became known to the world in the ISIS video, released September 2, in which he looks forward and kneels as a masked ISIS militant stands behind him.
The militant says in that video, "We take this opportunity to warn those governments who've entered this evil alliance of America against the Islamic State to back off and leave our people alone."
British officials said after the video's release that they had sent troops to try to rescue an unidentified British citizen "some time ago," but failed. They released no other details.
ISIS, which also calls itself the Islamic State, has killed thousands in Syria and Iraq as it presses a military campaign to establish itself as an Islamic caliphate. Witnesses report mass killings, beheadings and crucifixions.
The United States has been using airstrikes to support Iraqi and Kurdish forces battling ISIS, and is working to build a coalition to broaden the effort against ISIS. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry was in Egypt Saturday seeking that country's help in the fight.
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These fucks only understand violence and death.
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These fucks only understand violence and death.
This is going to sound stupid, but in every video the person about to get beheaded is just kneeling there so calmly and quietly. What's up with that? Is it shock?
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This is going to sound stupid, but in every video the person about to get beheaded is just kneeling there so calmly and quietly. What's up with that? Is it shock?
Could be theyre promised that if they play along they wont be killed, that its just a threat...., could be drugs, could be a combination.
I remember when they beheaded that contractor back in 03, the dude had this glazed look in his eyes, like he was so fucked up on something that he had no idea where he was, and the look didnt change until they started sawing rhe dull knife into his neck, suddenly his eyes shot open and got that panicked look in them.
I think they drug the shit out of these guys to make it easier to control.
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These fucks only understand violence and death.
Yes so if they love it so much time for a coalition late night run and enough TNT too send them where they want too go sooner rather than later....this will not stop.
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This is going to sound stupid, but in every video the person about to get beheaded is just kneeling there so calmly and quietly. What's up with that? Is it shock?
The realization of fate. Plus the prospect of torture. Yes - beheading by itself is a torture, but to have your death dragged out, eviscerated, cut up piece-by-piece and then beheaded... Which would you prefer? Or maybe drugged. Hopefully drugged.
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The realization of fate. Plus the prospect of torture. Yes - beheading by itself is a torture, but to have your death dragged out, eviscerated, cut up piece-by-piece and then beheaded... Which would you prefer? Or maybe drugged. Hopefully drugged.
Id just rather be shot in the head.
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Id just rather be shot in the head.
I said it in an earlier thread I think there is some instinct or faculty that kicks in when it is hopeless to just be docile. Look at Mexican chainsaw and knife beheading. Guys were rival dealers or something, no way they drugged them, yet even second guy to be decapitated was like a deer in headlights. I said it reminded me of when wild dogs ate a deer alive. There must be something that kicks in and says you are fucked, here, calm down.
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Looks like dropping those bombs is really helping. ::)
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I said it in an earlier thread I think there is some instinct or faculty that kicks in when it is hopeless to just be docile. Look at Mexican chainsaw and knife beheading. Guys were rival dealers or something, no way they drugged them, yet even second guy to be decapitated was like a deer in headlights. I said it reminded me of when wild dogs ate a deer alive. There must be something that kicks in and says you are fucked, here, calm down.
Yeah, almost like your body flips a switch and calms you for the inevitable. Would be interesting to find out more about what exactly is happening in the brain and/or body.
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Id just rather be shot in the head.
Just expressing their right to free speach right?
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Yeah, almost like your body flips a switch and calms you for the inevitable. Would be interesting to find out more about what exactly is happening in the brain and/or body.
How though? If you know it is just a test you don't care. I thought I was dying/dead maybe two or three times and said fuck it. Once revived from coma or whatever your adrenaline kicks in and you become semi aggressive and will do whatever to get out of the situation.
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Just expressing their right to free speach right?
Who? ??? ???
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Who? ??? ???
These fine, upstanding ISIS fellows.....
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No, this will NOT stop.
And we're (non-Muslims) letting these Allahpukes through the gates, here, there and everywhere.
Obama goes on TV and states Islam doesn't condone violence against innocent people. The only "innocent" people to Muslims are those who are also Muslim. Their holy book in no uncertain terms calls for intolerance and death to non-Muslims.
Make no mistake, when push comes to shove and/or they get enough power in place, the "moderate Muslims" (what does this even mean? That if you're fully on-board with the religion, you are now a certified psycho?) will side with other Muslims, they be ISIS or other organizations of this type.
This isn't a battle to be had over there. It isn't even a battle; not in the traditional way. It's a SLOW insertion into non-Muslim countries, taking many decades.
Islam IS NOT compatible with the way we think and behave. It is a cancer to our ways of life.
Unless some brave and honest leaders somewhere start to call Islam for what it is, and then take the extreme measures required to rid the disease, this WILL NOT END.
And it will only get worse and worse.
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These fine, upstanding ISIS fellows.....
No, I meant if I was going to be executed I would rather be shot in the head than any other way.
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This is going to sound stupid, but in every video the person about to get beheaded is just kneeling there so calmly and quietly. What's up with that? Is it shock?
They want to face death with composure and dignity. They accepted their fate like men.
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Journalist Foley sister and brother
Alex Isreal , Adam Lansa's Classmate , Sandy Hook shooter
Same Female ??? ???
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They want to face death with composure and dignity. They accepted their fate like men.
Hmm, I am not too sure about that. They all look exactly the same in the video. No way they are all responding in pretty much the same exact manner.
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Journalist Foley sister and brother
Alex Isreal , Adam Lansa's Classmate , Sandy Hook shooter
Same Female ??? ???
Saw this on fb last week. False flags actors of peace.
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Turn that fucking desert to glass , fuck those bastards
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Yeah, almost like your body flips a switch and calms you for the inevitable. Would be interesting to find out more about what exactly is happening in the brain and/or body.
The "you're fucked" switch. Everybody has one, but not everybody gets to use it.
It may even be a coping mechanism, that may even help someone out of a jam. You calm down, and realize certain things, as opposed to being all hyped up. Possibly the brain might send a chemical to calm you down. This could be useful for "medical" purposes.
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Turn that fucking desert to glass , fuck those bastards
This
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Will we ever be able to stop terrorism? Or at least curtail it to a great degree? I mean, it seems like these people grow in numbers and power over time.
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Will we ever be able to stop terrorism? Or at least curtail it to a great degree? I mean, it seems like these people grow in numbers and power over time.
Yes. Do the complete polar opposite of what Obama is attempting to do. I'm not even joking.
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Yes. Do the complete polar opposite of what Obama is attempting to do. I'm not even joking.
That won't even stop them. Many of them raise their kids to be terrorists. Its an endless cycle.
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No, I meant if I was going to be executed I would rather be shot in the head than any other way.
Yes.....and I said these poor misunderstood Isis fellows are just exercising their right to free speach
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Yes.....and I said these poor misunderstood Isis fellows are just exercising their right to free speach
And they say its the same guy that beheaded the other 2. I wonder what we would do to him if he caught him. I bet the liberals would say give him a fair trial and treat him kindly.
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Basically what we're doing is allowing these Allahpukes to create the same ultra-shit conditions in our countries as they've done to theirs for centuries. These places have been hellholes of brutality, war and conflict for as long as anyone can remember.
But, hey, sure, come on over here and enrich our lands, Muslims!
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And they say its the same guy that beheaded the other 2. I wonder what we would do to him if he caught him. I bet the liberals would say give him a fair trial and treat him kindly.
Here in Canada we'd apologize to him and cut him a cheque for 250,000 dollars for his troubles.
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And they say its the same guy that beheaded the other 2. I wonder what we would do to him if he caught him. I bet the liberals would say give him a fair trial and treat him kindly.
More like a blow job, let him fuck their mother, a fair trial, citizenship, and treat him kindly
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That won't even stop them. Many of them raise their kids to be terrorists. Its an endless cycle.
You will never stop them. But you can kill them. Many of them. The cycle can be slowed tremendously. You do what ever it takes to stop them. Bomb them. Nuke them. "Boots on the ground" daisy cutters but you DONT just make a speech and bomb them a few times. That's just a waste of ammo. And with all of this bullshit that's coming our way in the US, you sure as fuck quit talking about gun control.
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You will never stop them. But you can kill them. Many of them. The cycle can be slowed tremendously. You do what ever it takes to stop them. Bomb them. Nuke them. "Boots on the ground" daisy cutters but you DONT just make a speech and bomb them a few times. That's just a waste of ammo. And with all of this bullshit that's coming our way in the US, you sure as fuck quit talking about gun control.
If America and a few other countries got together (Britian, Germany, Israel, Russia etc) we could level the whole middle east. The issue is then we have to "answer" to others. So while it may sound good, countries are not willing to deal with the backlash.
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More like a blow job, let him fuck their mother, a fair trial, citizenship, and treat him kindly
And don't forget preparing special meals in accordance with his religion (no pork). Cant upset him now.
After 9-11, we captured some muslims. Some US troops snuck pork into their food (on purpose) then told them about it. I believe in the muslim tradition you cant go to heaven if you eat pork. Needless to say, those US troops got in big trouble. There was much controversy over the issue.
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Nothing the see here folks.
The exact same as any other run of the mill religion.
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Religion of peace, correct?
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Religion of cutting people to peaces, correct?
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Fixed for accuracy
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You will never stop them. But you can kill them. Many of them. The cycle can be slowed tremendously. You do what ever it takes to stop them. Bomb them. Nuke them. "Boots on the ground" daisy cutters but you DONT just make a speech and bomb them a few times. That's just a waste of ammo. And with all of this bullshit that's coming our way in the US, you sure as fuck quit talking about gun control.
How long will the cycle be slowed for? We've been fighting terrorism ferociously since 9-11. Seems like they have increased in size since then.
We need a badass warrior like General Patton.
(http://ourblog.militaryauthority.com/images/bourke-white-margaret-gen-george-patton.jpeg)
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Let the good times roll
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The guy looks like he's having a ball...
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pure animals that need to be treated like animals.
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How long will the cycle be slowed for? We've been fighting terrorism ferociously since 9-11. Seems like they have increased in size since then.
We need a badass warrior like General Patton.
(http://ourblog.militaryauthority.com/images/bourke-white-margaret-gen-george-patton.jpeg)
Who cares. Take them out by generations. Sad as it seems they have ruined their children, they are just the offshoot to more evil. We're fighting the Devils works. Shoot them, burn them, blow their asses up.
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Being PC (politically correct) is what's fuckkng up this and every other country that buys into it. Fuck being PC. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night and is standing over your kid. Do you really think you're going to talk them out of whatever they think they'll do? Fuck that. You blow them away and ask questions later.
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Who cares. Take them out by generations. Sad as it seems they have ruined their children, they are just the offshoot to more evil. We're fighting the Devils works. Shoot them, burn them, blow their asses up.
Its easy to just say, "who cares. Take them out by generation" when you're not actively engaged in warfare. You're looking from the outside. Its much easier for you to say this. Its a lot more difficulty when you're steeped in it, as well as the practicality of the situation. Do you expect us to just keep sending troops over there to clean house, return to the US for a few months, send them back to clean house again, say for the next 500 years? I am not saying I know the answer, but its not as easy as you're making it seem.
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This is going to sound stupid, but in every video the person about to get beheaded is just kneeling there so calmly and quietly. What's up with that? Is it shock?
there are leaves they eat/chew like tabacco in the middle east that have a bit of a cocaine effect. i'm going to take a WILD guess and say those guys consume them. i forgot the name from Botany. Any science guys remember? Of course they may have hit that state of no hope. No medical exam on their remains, so no one will ever know.
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they cut off their people's arms for stealing a slice of bread
then say if you are not one of us- not only if you are not muslim, but if you are not SUNNI extremist- you are an apostate
and must die
they teach beheading with joy to kindergardeners in regular schools
they rape girls as young as 5
after marrying them to men as old as 100
they all need to be eliminated stat. i'd take great pleasure in beheading thousands of them in a day. not kidding. if you gave me 10,000 of them and a machete. i would cut every one of their heads off, very happily. i'm talking about ISIS extremist militant Sunnis, hell bent on killing us
and if you don't think i would kill 10,000 of them i meant 100,000 i meant 1 million i meant all of them.
i'd behead them with true joy. not brainwashed joy.
i'd blast some michael jackson and sip my bcaa water Drank while i slipped around on their blood like a gentleman
i'd wear a special outfit for the occasion. a top hat with a feather
i'd bring drake so he could sing the emotions he saw as we cut heads off
then he could morph back into degrassi
and we'd ball out with the heads thousands of them just playing dodge ball
that mother fucker in his wheel chair tossing heads and drake lines like "felica from hooters on peach street, Nawwwwwwwww"
and i would be blasting him with heads out of a fucking cannon, shrieking at the top of my lungs, hitting a FDB, with a massive erection and an idea
an idea that becomes fact. the fact becomes obcession. the obcession becomes
a religion
the religion becomes a cult
the cult becomes brainwashed
the others outside the cult become animals
the animals we name apostates
the caliphate was born this way.
if we kill them all, this can never happen again. Islam needs to be eradicated stat
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Basically what we're doing is allowing these Allahpukes to create the same ultra-shit conditions in our countries as they've done to theirs for centuries. These places have been hellholes of brutality, war and conflict for as long as anyone can remember.
But, hey, sure, come on over here and enrich our lands, Muslims!
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Sadly how very true... all the hatred & atrocities these people have
and our liberal spineless government full of crap double talk keep
letting them come in...
It's worse here in the Uk as now we have
virtually no boarder controls.
If i didn't know better i would almost think the government are
doing it deliberately for some ulterior motive.
It's now the enemy within we have to concern ourselves with.
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If America and a few other countries got together (Britian, Germany, Israel, Russia etc) we could level the whole middle east. The issue is then we have to "answer" to others. So while it may sound good, countries are not willing to deal with the backlash.
USA is dependent on Arab oil, otherwise, why bother at all with the fundamentalist islamic retards in the middle east?
(As long as they are no threat to other regions...)
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How long will the cycle be slowed for? We've been fighting terrorism ferociously since 9-11. Seems like they have increased in size since then.
We need a badass warrior like General Patton.
(http://ourblog.militaryauthority.com/images/bourke-white-margaret-gen-george-patton.jpeg)
USA has mainly been busy destabilising countries that weren't very stable in the first place...Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Iraq etc.
A human rights violating dictator isn't good, but total instability and warlords probably are worse....
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More false flag bullshit
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USA is dependent on Arab oil, otherwise, why bother at all with the fundamentalist islamic retards in the middle east?
(As long as they are no threat to other regions...)
Most of our oil comes from Canada.
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This never would have happened if Jihad John had a father like Adrian Peterson!
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USA is dependent on Arab oil, otherwise, why bother at all with the fundamentalist islamic retards in the middle east?
(As long as they are no threat to other regions...)
The US is a net exporter of oil, has been for a few years, so that "theory" is wrong.
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They want to face death with composure and dignity. They accepted their fate like men.
Bullshit, it's just another hoax.
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We need to bomb them back to the stoneage and then send in boots on the ground. Then after years of being bogged down in another bloody counter insurgency, we could put in a leader with no popular support and fuck off quick sharpish. Think of the shiny new medals and tour bonuses!
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I like Thailand's political system.
They ban all foreigners from ever being in parliament or owning land.
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Will we ever be able to stop terrorism? Or at least curtail it to a great degree? I mean, it seems like these people grow in numbers and power over time.
well yeh if we stopped taking down/destabilising the regimes that keep these extreme religious groups in check it may go some way in minimising the threat to us.
these groups al qaeda, ISIS etc just look for the weak links in the region, and it us who have created the power vaccum that they are capitalising on. then everyone is up in arms "oh they are so barbaric" blah blah blah. shut the fk up you morons, it was 'us' that went and turned the fkn country upside down for no reason in the first place.
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well yeh if we stopped taking down/destabilising the regimes that keep these extreme religious groups in check it may go some way in minimising the threat to us.
these groups al qaeda, ISIS etc just look for the weak links in the region, and it us who have created the power vaccum that they are capitalising on. then everyone is up in arms "oh they are so barbaric" blah blah blah. shut the fk up you morons, it was 'us' that went and turned the fkn country upside down for no reason in the first place.
I am tired of that bullshit "realpolitik" where you're propping up one set of dipshits to counter another set of dipshits. How about the SPQR example, where you are so fucking badass and mean that nobody fucks with you. It's real simple to do: some dumbass country or group kills some Americans, and you nuke a whole fucking city. It will never, EVER happen again. Yes, I mean everybody. In the long run, this will SAVE lives.
There was a time where the safest place to be was walking anywhere in the world with a Citizen of Rome, for if misfortune should befall that Citizen, the entire weight of the Empire would come down like a righteous wrath of God.
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I am tired of that bullshit "realpolitik" where you're propping up one set of dipshits to counter another set of dipshits. How about the SPQR example, where you are so fucking badass and mean that nobody fucks with you. It's real simple to do: some dumbass country or group kills some Americans, and you nuke a whole fucking city. It will never, EVER happen again. Yes, I mean everybody. In the long run, this will SAVE lives.
There was a time where the safest place to be was walking anywhere in the world with a Citizen of Rome, for if misfortune should befall that Citizen, the entire weight of the Empire would come down like a righteous wrath of God.
this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??
at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss.
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this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??
at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss.
Tbf, the initial invasion of Afghan and Iraq were rather successful. It's just when we hang around that it all goes to shit.
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I am tired of that bullshit "realpolitik" where you're propping up one set of dipshits to counter another set of dipshits. How about the SPQR example, where you are so fucking badass and mean that nobody fucks with you. It's real simple to do: some dumbass country or group kills some Americans, and you nuke a whole fucking city. It will never, EVER happen again. Yes, I mean everybody. In the long run, this will SAVE lives.
There was a time where the safest place to be was walking anywhere in the world with a Citizen of Rome, for if misfortune should befall that Citizen, the entire weight of the Empire would come down like a righteous wrath of God.
The United States is constrained by it's own principles. It would be a public relations nightmare for the United States to unleash the full weight of its military power on it's enemies. Terrorists organizations know this fact and capitalize on it. They are willing to do anything to win.
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this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??
at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss.
You're missing my point, but perhaps I was unclear. I wish us to not be involved in anything external. Countries will be left alone, unless you fuck with us, and then a city is vaporized.
Like many of my country's founding fathers, I have a distinct unease for "foreign adventures". Likely, I would have left Europe to the predations of the Germans during WWI/WWII unless they decided to fuck with the US.
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The United States is constrained by it's own principles. It would be a public relations nightmare for the United States to unleash the full weight of its military power on it's enemies. Terrorists organizations know this fact and capitalize on it. They are willing to do anything to win.
Indeed. It's high time that the US removes the shackles it has placed on its own wrists.
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Tbf, the initial invasion of Afghan and Iraq were rather successful. It's just when we hang around that it all goes to shit.
yeh in terms of blowing some sht up and toppling regimes, yeh they were initially successful on the surface, but the aim(publicly at least) of both of those missions was to make the west safer. with that in mind they were never successful at the time, anytime since or now.
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Indeed. It's high time that the US removes the shackles it has placed on its own wrists.
If only they could. Every whiny humanitarian would be up in arms. What these naive fools don't understand is that if terrorist organizations had the capability and opportunity they would kill innocent civilians by the millions without the least bit of hesitation or remorse.
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The United States is constrained by it's own principles. It would be a public relations nightmare for the United States to unleash the full weight of its military power on it's enemies. Terrorists organizations know this fact and capitalize on it. They are willing to do anything to win.
lmfao! yes if only the west wasn't so "principled" all of these issues would have been sorted by now. either that or a full blown nuclear war would have ensued!
i must concede though, the invasion of iraq on the false premise of WMDs was a very highly principled act of aggression. just chalk that one down as a little mistake, no harm done. still the good guys, with principles on our side of course.
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lmfao! yes if only the west wasn't so "principled" all of these issues would have been sorted by now. either that or a full blown nuclear war would have ensued!
i must concede though, the invasion of iraq on the false premise of WMDs was a very highly principled act of aggression. just chalk that one down as a little mistake, no harm done. still the good guys, with principles on our side of course.
Obviously you have no concept of the use of power by developed nations. I never argued that the United States is principled in all it's actions. What I'm arguing is that there is a line western countries won't cross and terrorists know it. Western nations aren't going to crash planes into buildings or behead journalists and broadcast the images world wide. The United States isn't going to use gas on its own people like Saddam. The United States will rely predominately on the conventional tactics of warfare.
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Obviously you have no concept of the use of power by developed nations. I never argued that the United States is principled in all it's actions. What I'm arguing is that there is a line western countries won't cross and terrorists know it. Western nations aren't going to crash planes into buildings or behead journalists and broadcast the images world wide. The United States isn't going to use gas on its own people like Saddam. The United States will rely predominately on the conventional tactics of warfare.
you buy that MSM propaganda sht, not me.
we invaded a sovereign nation for no reason , they had no WMDs and they posed no threat to us. that invasion led to the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the displacement of millions more. oh but we still have the moral high ground because we never flew a plane into a building or beheaded anyone.
what's the difference between these 'terrorists' aims and our foreign policy? both intent on forcefully imposing their will on others. they just don't bother trying to pretend they are the good guys.
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you buy that MSM propaganda sht, not me.
we invaded a sovereign nation for no reason , they had no WMDs and they posed no threat to us. that invasion led to the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the displacement of millions more. oh but we still have the moral high ground because we never flew a plane into a building or beheaded anyone.
what's the difference between these 'terrorists' aims and our foreign policy? both intent on forcefully imposing their will on others. they just don't bother trying to pretend they are the good guys.
And you buy all the conspiratorial bullshit you read on websites like prison planet. As I've made known on many occasions, I do not and have never endorsed military action in the middle east. What you keep failing to understand is that its about the use of power and the effects on the United States image. The United States can't employ the kind of unrestrained warfare the terrorist do. They will always be constrained by the western rules of warfare and western values of human rights.
This does not mean the United States government doesn't act against its own principles but such actions can never be overt. If we wanted to wipe out terrorist organizations we could easily do that but the political consequences would be disastrous. It is for this reason that the people like President Obama employ radical Islamic groups to do its dirty work .
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this is the entire problem with US/western foreign policy, you try and get "all bad ass" and think you can solve everything by bullying others into complying, but over the years that approach has proven not to work .you got all bad ass in afghanistan and now you are trying to negotiate talks with the taliban because you can't get rid of them. got all bad ass in iraq after falsely claiming they had WMDs...going on the current situation there, that hasn't really panned out very well either has it??
at this point a leaf out of china's book of foreign policy may not go amiss.
You clearly have no clue about the difference between real, pitched warfare and 'politically correct counter-insurgency'.
We havent fought a war with the intention to win since Korea.
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You clearly have no clue about the difference between real, pitched warfare and 'politically correct counter-insurgency'.
We havent fought a war with the intention to win since Korea.
I could argue since WWII.
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I could argue since WWII.
I was originally gonna go with WWII.
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And you buy all the conspiratorial bullshit you read on websites like prison planet. As I've made known on many occasions, I do not and have never endorsed military action in the middle east. What you keep failing to understand is that its about the use of power and the effects on the United States image. The United States can't employ the kind of unrestrained warfare the terrorist do. They will always be constrained by the western rules of warfare and western values of human rights.
This does not mean the United States government doesn't act against its own principles but such actions can never be overt. If we wanted to wipe out terrorist organizations we could easily do that but the political consequences would be disastrous. It is for this reason that the people like President Obama employ radical Islamic groups to do its dirty work .
i have never heard of prison planet sorry! hardly think i'm spouting conspiracy theories here ???
"always be restrained by western rules of warfare"? what a crock of sht.
an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation leading to the death of hundreds of thousands is in line with "western rules of warfare"
they make up the rules then break or change them as they see fit.
to quote the then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on iraq invasion "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."
and i actually agree with you about "restraint" but that restraint has nothing to do with principles or any moral superiority. it's exactly as you said, if the US goes too far with its aggression the "political consequences would be disastrous".
the 'terrorists' simply don't have any facade they need to uphold.
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i have never heard of prison planet sorry! hardly think i'm spouting conspiracy theories here ???
"always be restrained by western rules of warfare"? what a crock of sht.
an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation leading to the death of hundreds of thousands is in line with "western rules of warfare"
they make up the rules then break or change them as they see fit.
to quote the then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on iraq invasion "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."
and i actually agree with you about "restraint" but that restraint has nothing to do with principles or any moral superiority. it's exactly as you said, if the US goes too far with its aggression the "political consequences would be disastrous".
the 'terrorists' simply don't have any facade they need to uphold.
Rules of western warfare meaning ROE, rules of engagement, or how we choose to fight on the battlefield. Politicians choosing to go to war has literally zero to do with how we actually fight.
We fight wars with 1 arm tied around our nuts. If the politicians actually worried about winning rather than re-election, wed roll over any country in the world with ease.
The iraq invasion in 03 was one of the most swift and devastating military marches in history.
No one does conventional war better than the US. Unfortunatley, we dont fight conventional wars anymore because our shit head leaders put us in fucked up situations and dont let us defend ourselves.
But we dont, because were supposed to be better than that.
And the UN, give me a break, the UN is a joke. Who fucking cares what the UN thinks.
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i have never heard of prison planet sorry! hardly think i'm spouting conspiracy theories here ???
"always be restrained by western rules of warfare"? what a crock of sht.
an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation leading to the death of hundreds of thousands is in line with "western rules of warfare"
they make up the rules then break or change them as they see fit.
to quote the then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on iraq invasion "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."
and i actually agree with you about "restraint" but that restraint has nothing to do with principles or any moral superiority. it's exactly as you said, if the US goes too far with its aggression the "political consequences would be disastrous".
the 'terrorists' simply don't have any facade they need to uphold.
Frankly, you have no idea what the US is capable of if we are roused from our slumber. And the world should pray that we stay asleep.
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You will never stop them. But you can kill them. Many of them. The cycle can be slowed tremendously. You do what ever it takes to stop them. Bomb them. Nuke them. "Boots on the ground" daisy cutters but you DONT just make a speech and bomb them a few times. That's just a waste of ammo. And with all of this bullshit that's coming our way in the US, you sure as fuck quit talking about gun control.
Matthew 26:52-54 - Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
Matthew 5:38-39 -“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Proverbs 3:31 - Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways
Maybe its time for you to read the good book "Coach". ::)
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I dont really understand these videos, multi angles, hi def videos, amazing backdrop , same Orange prison jumpsuits, the executioner is always very calm even when he places his hand on their shoulders before putting the knife at their throat, then he begins a sawing motion, never any blood, then cut away to a decapitated head and body
yet, in other videos, of non American/brit decapitations you see the actual murder of them
???
http://theync.com/shocking/the-isis-beheading-of-david-cawthorn-haines-released.htm (http://theync.com/shocking/the-isis-beheading-of-david-cawthorn-haines-released.htm)
Wouldnt it be more of a shock and threat to americans if they put them in say a ronnie coleman american flag bodybuilding pants or actually show the murder ???
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ecdIZJWu_wY/hqdefault.jpg)
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Matthew 26:52-54 - Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
Matthew 5:38-39 -“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Proverbs 3:31 - Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways
Maybe its time for you to read the good book "Coach". ::)
Most 'Christians' could care less about what happens.... they are waiting to be raptured away before any harm comes to them.
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If you get into a fight with isis terrorists, probably wise to fight till death, considering what they do to hostages. Taking them prisoner also makes no sense, as they will continue with their terrorist actions once released, so wiping out as many as possible is the only solution.
Great to read that some muslim countries like Turkey support ISIS.....
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a few problems here...
most of the people yelling "boots on the ground" don't realize that sending 300,000 men to fight 31,000 idiots would be a huge series of wars, half a trillion spent, and maybe you get a lot of them. This ISIS is spread thru several countries, rights?
Also, 3 journalists have been killed because the US didn't pay ransom.
Step one, get EVERY american OUT of violent countries like Syria and Iraq. You're ready to invade, to start a war, because a "gang" of idiots is killing people IN THEIR COUNTRY. If they step foot in USA and hurt one fingernail on one american, I say bomb them into glass. But to enter what you KNOW is a dangerous shithole as a reporter and "snoop around for a story" then act all shocked when your unarmed self is a victim of a crime? I mean, shit... these same reporters wouldn't walk into the worst gang neighborhoods in the USA and start asking Qs and trying to be part of things to "get a scoop". So why do it in Syria? ???
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If you get into a fight with isis terrorists, probably wise to fight till death, considering what they do to hostages. Taking them prisoner also makes no sense, as they will continue with their terrorist actions once released, so wiping out as many as possible is the only solution.
Great to read that some muslim countries like Turkey support ISIS.....
Turkey was held up to the world as the one shining example of a Islamic country with a secular government but they are slipping into the same Islamic hysteria as the other Islamic country. Ataturk really was a brilliant man and its a shame his example hasn't been emulated in the middle east.
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a few problems here...
most of the people yelling "boots on the ground" don't realize that sending 300,000 men to fight 31,000 idiots would be a huge series of wars, half a trillion spent, and maybe you get a lot of them. This ISIS is spread thru several countries, rights?
Also, 3 journalists have been killed because the US didn't pay ransom.
Step one, get EVERY american OUT of violent countries like Syria and Iraq. You're ready to invade, to start a war, because a "gang" of idiots is killing people IN THEIR COUNTRY. If they step foot in USA and hurt one fingernail on one american, I say bomb them into glass. But to enter what you KNOW is a dangerous shithole as a reporter and "snoop around for a story" then act all shocked when your unarmed self is a victim of a crime? I mean, shit... these same reporters wouldn't walk into the worst gang neighborhoods in the USA and start asking Qs and trying to be part of things to "get a scoop". So why do it in Syria? ???
C'mon 240...stop using that common sense. You idea is perfectly logical if we were actually concerned about our citizens and servicemen. Welcome to the petrodollar wars of the 21st century. Until every drop of that 2 trillion in untapped oil is used up we will have a military presence in the Middle East.
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Meaning what? The 'US' has been wreaking havoc on the earth for quite some time, imbecile.
We've not gone back to the nukes yet, sunshine.
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Most 'Christians' could care less about what happens.... they are waiting to be raptured away before any harm comes to them.
Interesting that you call others "imbecile" when you keep keep proving your own imbecility with these posts.
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Matthew 26:52-54 - Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
Matthew 5:38-39 -“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Proverbs 3:31 - Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways
Maybe its time for you to read the good book "Coach". ::)
Or time for you to understand it.
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Or time for you to understand it.
Please explain your violent statements and how you reconcile that with Jesus's commandment to "turn the other cheek".
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Both terrorists that behead innocents and those who support the bombing of thousands of innocents are disgusting pieces of shit.
Hard to say which side is worse. ???
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Frankly, you have no idea what the US is capable of if we are roused from our slumber. And the world should pray that we stay asleep.
:)
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A lot of emotional posts in this thread....
People are not thinking straight...
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We've not gone back to the nukes yet, sunshine.
No need when we have MOAB.