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Title: "I train hard"
Post by: Bast000 on February 15, 2006, 09:44:43 AM
What is this stupidity about "training harder than everyone?"

You can only train your muscles to failure and if you do too many sets you are over-training. 

Bodybuilders act like lifting weights is torture when it's fairly easy.

When I hear that phrase it makes me laugh.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 15, 2006, 09:47:52 AM
monster
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Condor on February 15, 2006, 09:53:58 AM
I've heard some bodybuilders say that there's no such thing as "overtraining" as well.....and if you think lifting weights is "easy," I think you need to up your intensity quite a bit.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on February 15, 2006, 09:57:14 AM

 One of the biggest problems i have is i train too hard sometimes i have to hold myself back.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bluto on February 15, 2006, 10:13:35 AM
training hard is where it's at. otherwise it would be boring
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 15, 2006, 10:16:23 AM
training hard is where it's at. otherwise it would be boring


you must be really bored then "bluto"
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Condor on February 15, 2006, 10:17:25 AM
I said I've heard "some" bodybuilders say this, and it's no more stupid than saying some guys train harder than others.  Just look around the gym.  And lifting weights is not "fairly easy" as you say.  I doubt that Dorian or Mentzer ever referred to it in such a way.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: pumpster on February 15, 2006, 10:33:33 AM
He wasn't injured from your definition of over-training involving too many sets. Rather, it was a combo of genetics and very high weight using minimal sets, exacty the opposite of your definition of over-training. Brilliant analysis!

Training briefly but intensely does make a difference.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 15, 2006, 10:34:10 AM
Dorian was a pussy, that's why he got injured. He wasn't "hardcore"
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: DEFCON on February 15, 2006, 10:35:11 AM
I train hard = I do lots of steroids
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: pumpster on February 15, 2006, 10:35:49 AM
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Dorian was a pussy, that's why he got injured. He wasn't "hardcore"

Coming from you, that is a worthless statement.. ::)
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: alexxx on February 15, 2006, 10:36:35 AM
I train harder than anybody and have the physique to show it!  :)
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: pumpster on February 15, 2006, 10:37:39 AM
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Bullshit.  He would go to failure, then do extra reps immediately.  Yea, real smart.
You're just trying to get a reaction, can't possibly be so dense as to confuse your definition of volume over-training with HIT, which is the opposite. Duh!
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Condor on February 15, 2006, 10:40:24 AM
Bullshit.  He would go to failure, then do extra reps immediately.  Yea, real smart.
Also his form wasn't exactly proper either.


Smart or not, his methods obviously worked.....and can certainly be defined as training "harder" than most.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 15, 2006, 10:41:01 AM
Coming from you, that is a worthless statement.. ::)

yeah okay "pumpster" oh brother. I bet your the kinda guy that goes to your local gym with a pink bandana on and some daisy duke hot pants and gets upset you can't find a guy who can spot you on lying leg curls hahahahah fag
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Ursus on February 15, 2006, 11:16:01 AM
i have dramatically cut the amount of sets and exercises i have done recently and as my pic thread illustrates it works much better. train smarter, cycle your weights
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bluto on February 15, 2006, 11:16:51 AM
Yea but if he trained more properly he would have been the same size minus torn muscles.

how come you know so much about training? even more than people that been doing it for 20+ years on the highest level?
just curious
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bluto on February 15, 2006, 11:18:47 AM
i have dramatically cut the amount of sets and exercises i have done recently and as my pic thread illustrates it works much better. train smarter, cycle your weights

so if it works for you, it works for everyone else?

excellent.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Farcry on February 15, 2006, 11:21:51 AM
so doing 800 pound squats and walking lunges across parking lots is easy? yeah taht requires no effort i have seen people do without breaking a sweat :o
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Ursus on February 15, 2006, 11:22:19 AM
cycling has been proven to work for everyone. FACT
the fact that i have cut down exercises works for me is just something i have enbcountered. i dont know if it would work for EVERYONE doubt it, just expressin my thoughts
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bluto on February 15, 2006, 11:23:38 AM
bicycling
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Adam Empire on February 15, 2006, 11:30:08 AM
I would say it's more about intensity and concentration overall.  Being "in the zone" makes for the best workouts IMO.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bluto on February 15, 2006, 11:32:02 AM
if you dont train hard you should go home, you're an embarrasement not only to the gym but to our species as a whole
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: brianX on February 15, 2006, 11:33:54 AM
ok tough guy.
bodybuilders who say there is no such thing as overtraining are STUPID.
Go do 30 sets of squats to failure every week then tough guy.  According to your theory your legs will blow up in size.

Can you even bench 300?
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Man of Steel on February 15, 2006, 11:40:53 AM
What is this stupidity about "training harder than everyone?"
You can only train your muscles to failure and if you do too many sets you are over-training. 
Bodybuilders act like lifting weights is torture when it's fairly easy.
When I hear that phrase it makes me laugh.

This perception is not at all difficult to understand considering the source.....when you're the "queen of the hill" in the "Women Only Room" of the local Gold's the multi-colored, rubber-coated dumbbells and giant swiss balls don't pose much of a threat.   


MOS
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: The BEAST on February 15, 2006, 11:43:56 AM
Bodybuilders act like lifting weights is torture when it's fairly easy.
When I hear that phrase it makes me laugh.

Sweetie, when you are training with exercise bands and balls it shouldn't be that hard  ;)
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: gordiano on February 15, 2006, 11:47:26 AM
ok tough guy.
bodybuilders who say there is no such thing as overtraining are STUPID.
Go do 30 sets of squats to failure every week then tough guy.  According to your theory your legs will blow up in size.

You probably cannot overtrain while on massive amounts of AAS. For the rest of us, it's called reality.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: delta9mda on February 15, 2006, 12:05:26 PM
That's because they're pussies OR they overtrained.
Dorian got injured countless times because he overtrained.
dorian was a pussy? right. you are an assfuckinghole. dorian was not over trained at all. undertrained compared to most other bb'rs.

yates injuries (bicep and tricep) all occured during pre-contest. he was still going all out while strict dieting and could have backed off and then he would have had 7 or 8 mr o's. have a nice day.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 15, 2006, 12:06:14 PM
bast is a fucking monster, you guys should back off.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Stavios on February 15, 2006, 12:20:08 PM
Bast knows what he is talking about. Word on  the street is that Bast as been training with charles glass for 5 years now and he knows all his secret.
If Bast say that Dorian trained like a pussy, I believe him.

Come on guys have a look at his pic the guy obiously knows how to get big
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: PRO_Crastinator on February 15, 2006, 12:51:13 PM
The only hardcore pumping you ladies need to do is the bedroom action with your girlfriends/booty calls/wives/mistresses/etc.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: bmacsys on February 15, 2006, 01:34:32 PM
One of the biggest problems i have is i train too hard sometimes i have to hold myself back.

We know, pound-for-pound you are the strongest guy on Getbig. You full squat 465 for 13 reps at 6' and 170 pounds. Your amazing.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: sarcasm on February 15, 2006, 01:37:15 PM
"I train so FUCKING HARD, it's all gonna be worth it when I'm on stage.  ARRRRGGHHHHHH, THE PAIN THE PAIN ARRRRRRGHHH"
(http://www.musclebearz.com/images/bicurl.jpg)
70 lb. fixed bar curls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Snotroot on February 15, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
One of the biggest problems i have is i train too hard sometimes i have to hold myself back.
I can totally relate, man I don't wanna get to big.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: 240 is Back on February 15, 2006, 02:25:44 PM
You don't get injured when you do an exercise correctly.  It's as simple as that.


So you're saying that everyone who has ever injured a muscle did it because of poor form?  Never overuse, genetics, or just plain luck? It was all bad form?
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bluto on February 15, 2006, 02:29:27 PM
To make sure he doesn't have to train hard and ensure he use good form not to  injure himself, Bast use these

Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 15, 2006, 03:10:52 PM
"I train so FUCKING HARD, it's all gonna be worth it when I'm on stage.  ARRRRGGHHHHHH, THE PAIN THE PAIN ARRRRRRGHHH"
(http://www.musclebearz.com/images/bicurl.jpg)

Just one word for you.. HYDROXYCUT
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: gracie bjj on February 15, 2006, 04:03:52 PM
overtraining will just kill your immune and nervous system,i dont recommend it
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: rufjunk on February 15, 2006, 04:34:27 PM
I disagree to a certain extent.
There are different degrees of failure.
For example, if I put a gun to your head and said I'd kill you if you didn't do one more rep, you'd bust out one more rep, I promise.
Lifting to failure is not "easy". Your goal should be to maximize each workout and get into a mental zone where you literally anihilate the muscle and not the weight. Multiply that by 1,000 by training hard and being consistant.. the muscle will grow.

Also, with legs for example, when doing leg extensions there's build up of lactic acid that makes the muscle burn when you contract. You can get to a point where you can't do anymore but if you truly put your mind in the muscle or if Arnold walked in the room, you could keep going.

There's a story about Franco not being able to squat his normal weight for some reason while these kids from his homeland cheered him on. Franco left, came back 5 minutes later and hit an all new personal best.

I think your going to get big and gain mass from just working hard and being consistent. It's better to have 20 workouts a week with a few not being as-great as the others as opposed to just having 12 or 13 and skipping the ones where you didn't feel like 100%.  Hard work will get you to your goals....

I say just concentrate on working hard and being consistent, then practice pushing your perception of failure, sometimes you can do more, sometimes you can't, just keep at it and it'll grow anyway.

Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: sarcasm on February 15, 2006, 04:40:35 PM
It's not hard for me to train to failure.  Maybe I'm not as sensitive to pain as others, but it feels fine to me.    Also how long does a set take,  15 seconds?
Squatting and Deadlifts are tough because it can be hard to breathe properly during them and they use up a lot of your energy but it's not that bad and that exhausted feeling is short-lived.
15 seconds? damn, no wonder you're so damn small, Bast.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: rufjunk on February 15, 2006, 04:42:58 PM
It's not hard for me to train to failure.  Maybe I'm not as sensitive to pain as others, but it feels fine to me.    Also how long does a set take,  15 seconds?
Squatting and Deadlifts are tough because it can be hard to breathe properly during them and they use up a lot of your energy but it's not that bad and that exhausted feeling is short-lived.

It's not good enough to just lift weights.

That's like me saying it's not hard to play basketball.

Sure anyone can play ball and shoot around, there's a difference between doing that and being a professional.

Just like there's a difference between being a pro bodybuilder and weight training under the current zone diet employed by your YMCA trainer.

This shit takes years of hard work and constant training, just like training to be an olympia swimmer or a pro in something else..
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: The BEAST on February 20, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
Okay beast.  You're just mad at the world because you have No tits.
You don't even need a bra.  haahaha
Mad at the world..no-I love my body and its natural state
Still thinking your a jackass for sending me a pm asking to be "inside of me" and "whispering sweet nothings in my ear," yep
 
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bast175 on February 20, 2006, 07:28:46 PM
Mad at the world..no-I love my body and its natural state
Still thinking your a jackass for sending me a pm asking to be "inside of me" and "whispering sweet nothings in my ear," yep
 

you may "think" i'm a jackass all you want,  but I KNOW you're a jackass for not understanding that I was joking.

hope that clarifies.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: The BEAST on February 20, 2006, 07:38:13 PM
you may "think" i'm a jackass all you want,  but I KNOW you're a jackass for not understanding that I was joking.
hope that clarifies.

Oh, are you embarrassed by your statements?  You don't stand behind them now, so sad :(
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bast175 on February 20, 2006, 07:39:44 PM
Oh, are you embarrassed by your statements?  You don't stand behind them now, so sad :(

hahhhah

you got me. ::)
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bast175 on February 20, 2006, 07:42:03 PM
i'm so sorry i got to you so much.  you need to toughen up.   ;)
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bast175 on February 21, 2006, 10:12:04 AM
The Monster has spoken.
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: MULTIPLICATION on February 21, 2006, 10:16:36 AM
Oh, are you embarrassed by your statements?  You don't stand behind them now, so sad :(

The MULTIPLICATION is never embarassed to want to be inside of you.

The truth is out there.

MULT
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: OWNER on February 24, 2006, 11:35:57 PM
The MULTIPLICATION is never embarassed to want to be inside of you.
The truth is out there.
MULT

YES!  ;D
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Disgusted on February 25, 2006, 10:15:35 AM
I train harder than anyone at my gym!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I lift at home  :-[
Title: Re: "I train hard"
Post by: Bast175 on March 10, 2006, 07:46:10 PM
The MULTIPLICATION is never embarassed to want to be inside of you.

The truth is out there.

MULT

you're the man! 

 :P