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I've noticed that older lifters' triceps tend to atrophy. Look at arnie, lou, coleman, etc. What's the cause of this? Too much GH + slin? Nerve damage? Too many site injections?
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Some of us have tricep atrophy since birth...
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
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I'm in my 40's, and what I've been noticing is that the muscles that are starting to lose mass, despite still being strong, are my Quads and Hammies. They just don't pump up like they did when I was in my 30's or 20's. Getting older sucks. Been doing 20 rep squats with 225, and that's got my lungs working, but the pump isn't there like it used to be. Lower back not like it used to be, so don't want to go heavier than that.
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I'm in my 40's, and what I've been noticing is that the muscles that are starting to lose mass, despite still being strong, are my Quads and Hammies. They just don't pump up like they did when I was in my 30's or 20's. Getting older sucks. Been doing 20 rep squats with 225, and that's got my lungs working, but the pump isn't there like it used to be. Lower back not like it used to be, so don't want to go heavier than that.
same here, if i try to squat to heavy i feel it in my lower back bad, u r right getting old sucks ass
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
haha, inmortal! Nice to have some extra years and to get some nice 25-30 year old ladies! Or just looking at everyone around u and se them getting old bald fat weak...all friends wifes give u looks and being nice to u and knowing u can have intercourse with them anyday haha.
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I think I read dave tate say it's from years of heavy benching OP.
groink could easily pass for early 30's lol
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I'm in my 40's, and what I've been noticing is that the muscles that are starting to lose mass, despite still being strong, are my Quads and Hammies. They just don't pump up like they did when I was in my 30's or 20's. Getting older sucks. Been doing 20 rep squats with 225, and that's got my lungs working, but the pump isn't there like it used to be. Lower back not like it used to be, so don't want to go heavier than that.
Walking lunges with a barbell...
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i read about 150 bro science threads on this issue
and the general parroting consensus seems to be
nerve damage in the upper spine from heavy lifting
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
LOL!!!!
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everything athrophies as you get older. probably just more noticable in the tric
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I have lovely triceps.
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
Dead by 52.
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
;D ;D
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
I have lovely triceps.
TEAM TRICEPS!
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great offseason shape! SHow us the difference wehn cruising on 250ml for 3 months!
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Spinal stenosis caused by cervical vertebrate compression and associated disc damage. It is reasonably common and the correlation between the condition and diminishing tricep size is undeniable.
The condition causes a person to be unable to recruit (fire) their triceps and this results in atrophy.
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Aren't the arms solely powered by the nerves in the neck?
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Spinal stenosis caused by cervical vertebrate compression and associated disc damage. It is reasonably common and the correlation between the condition and diminishing tricep size is undeniable.
The condition causes a person to be unable to recruit (fire) their triceps and this results in atrophy.
more evidence squatting DOES NOT "build arms"
::)
fucking powerlifting trolls
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Spinal stenosis caused by cervical vertebrate compression and associated disc damage. It is reasonably common and the correlation between the condition and diminishing tricep size is undeniable.
The condition causes a person to be unable to recruit (fire) their triceps and this results in atrophy.
this also suggest that squatting should be avoided
but if you must squat
front squat would be much preffered as it does not compress cervical vertebrae?
please confirm
i will not sleep at night without conclusive answer
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Spinal stenosis caused by cervical vertebrate compression and associated disc damage. It is reasonably common and the correlation between the condition and diminishing tricep size is undeniable.
The condition causes a person to be unable to recruit (fire) their triceps and this results in atrophy.
so every young guy who trains with weights should avoid squats, deadlifts, and military presses..
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What triceps did arnold or ruhl have to lose? Like saying shizzo is losing dignity the more he posts.
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my triceps are still full and big at 57. can still close grip 315 for almost ten reps. still do nose busters, and i can still get a great pump.
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Cartilage buildup in the elbows make them pointy which can cause your triceps to look shittier.
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Wait until you see what age is gonna do to your pecs...They get droopy and pointy.
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Hasnt this been attributed directly to HGH use?
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Hasnt this been attributed directly to HGH use?
Not at all. It is the same for most older people. As we age we stop doing things overhead, either from bad shoulders or just don't have to lift anything over our heads anymore as we age. It is mainly the long head of the triceps that atrophies. So don't stop doing over head triceps presses. I noticed mine getting smaller from just doing close grip and a lot of different push downs. Started back on the overhead triceps extensions and they have improved. Don't go the easy route.
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That bacne is out of control :-X
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I gotta go with tommy on this one. Lack of overhead raising or lack of lifting your arms overhead as we age I think has very little to do with why the tricep atrophies. What the op is referring to I believe is not that the tricep is just a smaller 100 percent intact version of the previous larger sized tricep but rather a distortion of the muscle in which it appears that the muscle bellies have shortend. Often times the older lifter still has A fair amount of bulk at the top of the tricep however the gap between the elbow and where the tricep begins is much larger than when the lifter was younger. The tricep is largely innervated by the radial nerve. The radio nerve originates from C-5 C6 C8 and T1 vertebrae. I believe its the T1 area that is mostly the culprit. Where lifter place the heavy bar on their back while squatting. I think T1 is the culprit for a few reasons number one, The biceps shares its nerve innervation was C5 and C6. If it were this area being damaged we're shutting off nerve supply we would see just as many or people was shortened biceps which just isn't the case short and tricep is much more common. Secondly as we age we tend to get a forward head carriage which puts tremendous pressure at the cervicothoracic Junction. Lastly as I stated earlier T1 take a lot of abuse as we put literally hundreds of pounds sometimes resting on that spinous. When that area breaks down over time it put pressure on a branch of the radial nerve which leads to slow death of the tricep.
Just one mans theory.
Blame Siri for f'd up speak to text n I'm too lazy to fix it
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Brutal acne. Brutal
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I gotta go with tommy on this one. Lack of overhead raising or lack of lifting your arms overhead as we age I think has very little to do with why the tricep atrophies. What the op is referring to I believe is not that the tricep is just a smaller 100 percent intact version of the previous larger sized tricep but rather a distortion of the muscle in which it appears that the muscle bellies have shortend. Often times the older lifter still has A fair amount of bulk at the top of the tricep however the gap between the elbow and where the tricep begins is much larger than when the lifter was younger. The tricep is largely innervated by the radial nerve. The radio nerve originates from C-5 C6 C8 and T1 vertebrae. I believe its the T1 area that is mostly the culprit. Where lifter place the heavy bar on their back while squatting. I think T1 is the culprit for a few reasons number one, The biceps shares its nerve innervation was C5 and C6. If it were this area being damaged we're shutting off nerve supply we would see just as many or people was shortened biceps which just isn't the case short and tricep is much more common. Secondly as we age we tend to get a forward head carriage which puts tremendous pressure at the cervicothoracic Junction. Lastly as I stated earlier T1 take a lot of abuse as we put literally hundreds of pounds sometimes resting on that spinous. When that area breaks down over time it put pressure on a branch of the radial nerve which leads to slow death of the tricep.
Just one mans theory.
Blame Siri for f'd up speak to text n I'm too lazy to fix it
Interesting theory. I've wondered why mine have shortened since I've never torn anything. I wonder if the process can be reversed, if even just a little. I'm guessing not.
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I hear upright rows for reps (10-12) with slow negatives help.
(http://www.exerciseplace.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Exercises/BBUprightRow.gif)
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Interesting theory. I've wondered why mine have shortened since I've never torn anything. I wonder if the process can be reversed, if even just a little. I'm guessing not.
Exactly right. There is no "tearing" there is no recognisable trauma in most cases. Years of heavy continuous weight training will cause cervical disc degeneration and that's what causes the condition.
Reverting the process? You raise a very important point.
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Brutal acne. Brutal
That bacne is out of control :-X
i guess that makes you feel better about your inferior triceps
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I agree man, that's terribad.
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Dead by 52.
:D
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my tris r about the same i guess,they where never really great anyway though
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I know what you mean.
I'll be 51 next june
hahahha I have to give you credit man, which takes a lot for me to do. 51!!!! Just unbelievable.
You do any cardio or sports?
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hahahha I have to give you credit man, which takes a lot for me to do. 51!!!! Just unbelievable.
You do any cardio or sports?
yea gigantic looks awesome for 51,great shape
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Ok man enough with the vomit inducing photos. We got it, you have some muscle. I can't have that acne popping up on my screen like that.
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Interesting theory. I've wondered why mine have shortened since I've never torn anything. I wonder if the process can be reversed, if even just a little. I'm guessing not.
this process can be slowed. most getbiggers r chiro haters but i don't give a shit. Search the thread where I posted a lot of great stuff about it. This is not a chiro commercial so I am just answering your question. I also dont have the time to argue about it check the old thread for that please.
1. Find a good chiro n see them once a month whether you have pain or not. Disc and spinal degeneration causes no symptoms unitl it becomes very advanced. Getting adjusted on a regular basis can slow down spinal degeneration. IMO find a doc who still does old school chiropractic and their main thing is adjusting you. Should be relatively cheap. 35-50 bux in most parts of the country.
2. If u sleep on your back never ever use a traditional pillow that that juts your head up chin to chest. Its the way we are taught but it is wrong and puts a lot of pressure on this t1 area. Simply get a bath towel, fold it in half so it is half its width but its length is still just as long. Then roll it up like a sleeping bag then sleep with this under your neck. It opens the airway and restores the natural curve at night.
3. Lastly I use this nealry on a daily basis. Its pretty inexpensive. Im sure you getbiggers could build this yourself but I buy them. its patented too n no thats not me who sells them. Just trying to share some knowledge.
http://pettibonsystem.com/product/cervical-traction-regular (http://pettibonsystem.com/product/cervical-traction-regular)
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:D I have owned and used that exact device. Mixed to no results unfortunately but the prior damage was too extreme.
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:D I have owned and used that exact device. Mixed to no results unfortunately but the prior damage was too extreme.
Honestly im not exactley sure either but the theory is good. it tractions the neck which teeters miss. I use it about daily for prevention.
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hahahha I have to give you credit man, which takes a lot for me to do. 51!!!! Just unbelievable.
You do any cardio or sports?
right? guys a inspiration. both he and simon.
im a little less than a decade behind groink and i'll tell you buddy it ALL changes at 40. people used to tell me this. im like nah im a stud, im going to be a stud till im 50 blah blah blah.
i was ok going into 41. i could half ass my diet, and half ass my training and still look decent. then at 41-42 everything started to change. food impacts you more. your energy drops slightly. ive always had good joints so aches and pains arent an issue, apart from needing to rehab my knees/ it bands last winter after playing ball but that was a not stretching problem affecting my jolints, not wonky joints themselves. but the cosmetic end of this- which is why we do it really- takes a shit ton more work.
ah, you'll find out soon enough :D
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yea gigantic looks awesome for 51,great shape
Looks good for any age imo. Lots of younger guys (including myself) would love to be that size. Clearly the work has been put in.
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this process can be slowed. most getbiggers r chiro haters but i don't give a shit. Search the thread where I posted a lot of great stuff about it. This is not a chiro commercial so I am just answering your question. I also dont have the time to argue about it check the old thread for that please.
1. Find a good chiro n see them once a month whether you have pain or not. Disc and spinal degeneration causes no symptoms unitl it becomes very advanced. Getting adjusted on a regular basis can slow down spinal degeneration. IMO find a doc who still does old school chiropractic and their main thing is adjusting you. Should be relatively cheap. 35-50 bux in most parts of the country.
2. If u sleep on your back never ever use a traditional pillow that that juts your head up chin to chest. Its the way we are taught but it is wrong and puts a lot of pressure on this t1 area. Simply get a bath towel, fold it in half so it is half its width but its length is still just as long. Then roll it up like a sleeping bag then sleep with this under your neck. It opens the airway and restores the natural curve at night.
3. Lastly I use this nealry on a daily basis. Its pretty inexpensive. Im sure you getbiggers could build this yourself but I buy them. its patented too n no thats not me who sells them. Just trying to share some knowledge.
http://pettibonsystem.com/product/cervical-traction-regular (http://pettibonsystem.com/product/cervical-traction-regular)
Thanks for the advice. I was getting adjusted as well as deep tissue for my shoulders a couple of years back until I lost my job and benefits. Five bucks for 45 minutes of deep tissue and three bucks to get adjusted. Couldn't beat it! As soon as my finances get back on track, I'll be doing that again.
The deep tissue helped a lot. Now I have to stick to machines for presses mostly to work around the pain, and it sucks that I cant hit it as hard as I'd like. I'm 52 and routinely get mistaken for being in my 30's. I love when I tell people my real age and they say "No way!"... :) I'm not in Groink's shape though. I wasn't blessed with the best genetics for bodybuilding, but I'll look decent again once I tighten up my diet...
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:D I have owned and used that exact device. Mixed to no results unfortunately but the prior damage was too extreme.
Robin William's had one i believe.
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Thanks for the advice. I was getting adjusted as well as deep tissue for my shoulders a couple of years back until I lost my job and benefits. Five bucks for 45 minutes of deep tissue and three bucks to get adjusted. Couldn't beat it! As soon as my finances get back on track, I'll be doing that again.
The deep tissue helped a lot. Now I have to stick to machines for presses mostly to work around the pain, and it sucks that I cant hit it as hard as I'd like. I'm 52 and routinely get mistaken for being in my 30's. I love when I tell people my real age and they say "No way!"... :) I'm not in Groink's shape though. I wasn't blessed with the best genetics for bodybuilding, but I'll look decent again once I tighten up my diet...
thanks! Turned 50 in may. Maybe this board should be called getold.com
Btw where u getting all that for 8 bux? Some kidnapped slave parlor haha? Wow that's cheap
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WE NEED TO START A 50 AND OVER SECTION SO ALL US OLD GEEZERS CAN KICK IT :D
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Robin William's had one i believe.
;D He clearly neglected to read the instructions.
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telomeres
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telomeres
yeah but it's not like telomeres degrading choose spots on the body to degrade more and not so much in other areas at least to my knowledge. Could obv be wrong tho.
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thanks! Turned 50 in may. Maybe this board should be called getold.com
Btw where u getting all that for 8 bux? Some kidnapped slave parlor haha? Wow that's cheap
It was my co-pay at the time .
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Spinal Stenosis C4 pinch per my MRI
pic on left from last week....note sloping shoulder
pic on right from last night...so getting more square....
neck pain initially ....but no strength lost first week....second week....pain subsides but 80 percent strength lost on right side
went through this 4 years ago..dime by dime...took a year to get back to 90 percent....but we got there...
Gotta get amnesia...forget the 500lbs deadlift and just be happy I can grip 135...
44 now...came back stronger/appreciative when I was 40....damn u father time....let's do this
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Spinal Stenosis C4 pinch per my MRI
pic on left from last week....note sloping shoulder
pic on right from last night...so getting more square....
neck pain initially ....but no strength lost first week....second week....pain subsides but 80 percent strength lost on right side
went through this 4 years ago..dime by dime...took a year to get back to 90 percent....but we got there...
Gotta get amnesia...forget the 500lbs deadlift and just be happy I can grip 135...
44 now...came back stronger/appreciative when I was 40....damn u father time....let's do this
doing great. Keep it up n say hello to musclecenters barber for me
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yes
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I remember Dave Draper wrote an article about the disappearing triceps as men get older.
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Not at all. It is the same for most older people. As we age we stop doing things overhead, either from bad shoulders or just don't have to lift anything over our heads anymore as we age. It is mainly the long head of the triceps that atrophies. So don't stop doing over head triceps presses. I noticed mine getting smaller from just doing close grip and a lot of different push downs. Started back on the overhead triceps extensions and they have improved. Don't go the easy route.
Hmmm, all I know is, in my 50's, most of my intense , higher rep arm workouts, are from jerkin' off .
That gives me a massive forearm and bicep pump but doesn't work the tris much???? ???
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Hmmm, all I know is, in my 50's, most of my intense , higher rep arm workouts, are from jerkin' off .
That gives me a massive forearm and bicep pump but doesn't work the tris much???? ???
Not the long head, which is the longest and biggest
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It comes down to genetics
There is a guy in his sixties in my gym old jamaican... Some of the best tris in the gym or that I've seen, drives a bus for a living. Muscle even in his head. It's all down to genetics and what body part your blessed with.
It sucks but when it comes to muscles some people are just a lot blessed than others.
But that goes for most things in life
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Peter Finch. Natural. Heart surgery twice. At age 74.
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