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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Craig Titus & Kelly Ryan Discussions => Topic started by: tommywishbone on February 18, 2006, 09:36:34 AM
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In todays Las Vegas Review Journal (the local main paper) there is an article regarding a man who robbed a cab driver and doused him in gas & set him on fire. The cab driver died. The man was convicted of murder, arson, robbery & kidnapping. The jury gave him life in prison... not the death penalty.
I am trying post the link. If someone with better computer skills than me can post the link, it would be appreciated. Thanks.
Las Vegas Review Journal
http://www.reviewjournal.com (http://www.reviewjournal.com)
using my pitiful linkage, click Saturday & scroll down to "Cab Driver Killer" article, Sorry.
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A jury rejected a death sentence for convicted killer James Scholl on Friday, determining he should instead spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole for torching a cabdriver.
Juror Michael Harrod said after the verdict that he was the only juror out of 12 who voted for a death sentence in the August 2004 slaying of cabby Pairoj Chitprasart.
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"It was an evil, heinous crime," Harrod said. "If someone setting a person on fire isn't good enough to get the death penalty, then I don't know what is."
Jurors who voted for a life sentence did not wish to speak to the media after the verdict.
But on a jury verdict form, jurors said they considered the fact that Scholl was under the influence of drugs when he doused Chitprasart with gasoline, then set him on fire in Chitprasart's cab on Las Vegas Boulevard during a robbery.
Jurors noted on the juror form that Scholl also suffered from a mental disturbance -- he was diagnosed as being bipolar -- and that he had a bad childhood that culminated with his fathering a child as a 16-year-old with a 21-year-old woman.
Chitprasart's common-law wife, Kanitsri Utamong, said she was OK with the jury sparing Scholl because Scholl's three children would have lost their father if he was executed.
"For me, I didn't need the death penalty," Utamong said. "I lost my husband, and my son lost his dad. I understand how his kids would feel."
Authorities said Scholl jumped in Chitprasart's cab Aug. 20, 2004, and doused the cabdriver with gasoline while trying to rob him. When Chitprasart wouldn't hand over any money, authorities said, Scholl set the man on fire with a match.
A friend of Scholl's, Kregg Nettrour, testified that Scholl confessed to him hours after the slaying. Another acquaintance, Sheldon Hudson, said that, on the day of the slaying, Scholl talked to him about the movie "Money Train," in which a robbery victim is doused with gasoline and fatally torched.
Prosecutors said Scholl robbed another taxi driver eight days before Chitprasart's death after beating him in the head with a brick. Scholl's Illinois identification card was found in the cab, and the jury convicted him of robbery and other charges in that case as well on Wednesday.
In court Friday during closing arguments, Scholl appeared to be harming his cause when he acted out in front of the jury.
As Clark County District Attorney David Roger urged the jury to sentence Scholl to death, Scholl started clapping sarcastically, then issued an expletive that could be heard by many in the courtroom.
"Justice mandates the most significant punishment," Roger said. "Let Mr. Scholl's life end in the Nevada execution chamber."
But defense attorneys Alzora Jackson and David Schieck of the county's Special Public Defender's Office said the death penalty was simply not appropriate. Scholl had no significant prior criminal history.
"In all likelihood, he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison," Schieck said.
Schieck said Scholl's clapping episode was out of frustration for his having been convicted.
"You have to focus on the person, not the crime," Schieck said.
"We never felt they proved the homicide," Jackson said.
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Does this mean that one should get drugged up before committing his next murder with the anticipation of receiving a lighter sentence?
I think we'll be seeing a lot of this nonsense and other objectional excuses in the upcoming Craig and Kelly trial.
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If foung guilty CT will go to the chamber and his wife will get 25 to life
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Jurors noted on the juror form that Scholl also suffered from a mental disturbance -- he was diagnosed as being bipolar -- and that he had a bad childhood that culminated with his fathering a child as a 16-year-old with a 21-year-old woman.
Chitprasart's common-law wife, Kanitsri Utamong, said she was OK with the jury sparing Scholl because Scholl's three children would have lost their father if he was executed.
Craig does not suffer from bi-polar disorder (he's just a narcissistic psychopath) and he doesn't have any kids that would be traumatized if he got the death penalty.
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Jurors noted on the juror form that Scholl also suffered from a mental disturbance -- he was diagnosed as being bipolar -- and that he had a bad childhood that culminated with his fathering a child as a 16-year-old with a 21-year-old woman.
Chitprasart's common-law wife, Kanitsri Utamong, said she was OK with the jury sparing Scholl because Scholl's three children would have lost their father if he was executed.
Craig does not suffer from bi-polar disorder (he's just a narcissistic psychopath) and he doesn't have any kids that would be traumatized if he got the death penalty.
craigs daughter is already affected by her fathers narcissistic, sociopathic, abusive, king baby behavior meaning there will be no additional trauma than he's already provided.
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If foung guilty CT will go to the chamber and his wife will get 25 to life
AMEN!!!
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Thank you STella.
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Thank you STella.
:)
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I believe his daughter is already too old to be considered a "child" that nneds Craig as a father to grow up...she's already almost grown. It's not like she's a 2 year old that would be asking "where's daddy" and not understanding if he was "gone"
I do feel bad for her though
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But the bodybuilding world will miss him, so he won't get the death penalty.
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the murderer is going to the death chamber wether his daughter wants it or dont want it...the state of nevada is very strict when it comes to this type of murder (planning and executing) and the murderer does not have any mental disease thus the only chance for life in prison with out the possibility of parol is if you have money behind you and you know the right people. the murderer does not have a dime nor does he have any serious individual within the system that can help him get life in prison with out the possibility of parol.
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Just like OJ, Titus will be innocent. They all know all the bodybuilders will riot if he's guilty.
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Just like OJ, Titus will be innocent. They all know all the bodybuilders will riot if he's guilty.
true. But since BBers cannot walk one city block without gassing, or riot for 2 hours without eating, the crowd should be pretty easy to contain.
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true. But since BBers cannot walk one city block without gassing, or riot for 2 hours without eating, the crowd should be pretty easy to contain.
240 dont forget the constant mirror gratification
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Just like OJ, Titus will be innocent. They all know all the bodybuilders will riot if he's guilty.
Judging by the comments on this forum I think bodybuilders would be more likely to riot if they let him go.
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They will "Both" get life with-out the possibilty of parole
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I'd riot till 2:00, then I gotta hit some chest
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Jurors noted on the juror form that Scholl also suffered from a mental disturbance -- he was diagnosed as being bipolar -- and that he had a bad childhood that culminated with his fathering a child as a 16-year-old with a 21-year-old woman.
Chitprasart's common-law wife, Kanitsri Utamong, said she was OK with the jury sparing Scholl because Scholl's three children would have lost their father if he was executed.
Craig does not suffer from bi-polar disorder (he's just a narcissistic psychopath) and he doesn't have any kids that would be traumatized if he got the death penalty.
I'm bi-polar too!
Just in case if I decide to ever snuff someone
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Just like OJ, Titus will be innocent. They all know all the bodybuilders will riot if he's guilty.
:D
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I'd riot till 2:00, then I gotta hit some chest
I'll riot on Tuesday or Thursday because those are big cardio days, and everyone knows rioting is hard work. Now if anyone wants to double-split riot on Saturday... I can do that too. :)
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I know I'm going to loot the GNC. They rip everyone off now it's about time they get ripped off.
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I have a funny feeling that a plea from Melissas family will NOT go unheard in court...I mean shit, if you were her Dad, wouldnt you be pleading for the death penalty more than ever?
They will probably only get life, but I wouldn't be surprised if Craig got the death penalty. Although, realistically, he could be on death row for 30 years...
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I know I'm going to loot the GNC. They rip everyone off now it's about time they get ripped off.
You are so "Correct" 8) 8)
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I have a funny feeling that a plea from Melissas family will NOT go unheard in court...I mean shit, if you were her Dad, wouldnt you be pleading for the death penalty more than ever?
To tell you the absolute truth, if someone killed my daughters I would not want them to go jail. I would do everything in my power to torture the fuck out of them and make them die the most horrible and painful death possible. I wouldn't give a fuck about getting caught or going to prison for doing it.
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To tell you the absolute truth, if someone killed my daughters I would not want them to go jail. I would do everything in my power to torture the f**k out of them and make them die the most horrible and painful death possible. I wouldn't give a f**k about getting caught or going to prison for doing it.
AGREED!!! There has to be some end to this Y2k politically correct bullshit that will bring back TRUE punishment. And just think...what are these people thinking saying that "punishment" should be regulated?!?! Go to a country that Canes people and see what their crime rate is. Or go to Japan and see how many Yakuza members lost fingers for lying! NOT MANY!!!
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. End of story...
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AGREED!!! There has to be some end to this Y2k politically correct bullshit that will bring back TRUE punishment. And just think...what are these people thinking saying that "punishment" should be regulated?!?! Go to a country that Canes people and see what their crime rate is. Or go to Japan and see how many Yakuza members lost fingers for lying! NOT MANY!!!
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. End of story...
Just pray you don't get framed for anything.
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All I would need would be one day to torture the guy....then sned him back to jail and pay the Latin Kings to make his life a living hell
remember the movie Boogie Nights with mark Wahlberg...the old guy in it (NOT burt reynolds) but the one they called the Colonel...he was caught on child molestation/child porn charges and sent to prison. He was in the cell of this big black dude getting the shit kicked out of him cryin' like the little punk he was.
Prison has a way of bringing out the truth about people....prison, not Club Med/Summer Camp Jails.
If you're strong, you'll survive and be respected...... if you're a punk you'll be somebody's bitch within a week
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Just pray you don't get framed for anything.
There aren't to many saints going to the grocery store getting framed. It's always jackasses that are hanging out with the wrong crowd to begin with that get nailed for their "buddy's" actions. If you don't expose yourself, no worries!
Hang out with looser dope dealers and see where that gets you! Karma! :'(
Live a normal life with moral human beings and see what happens! ;D
By the way, everyone in the joint is "framed"! Framed right up in that poor ole' cell where they belong like caged animals! :-X
Don't get me started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the case of Craig admitting damn near everything but the acutal act, why waist our tax money on his ass? Eye for an eye baby!
We should buy an island and let all these "tough guys" go hang out and play cave man days as we watch with our popcorn with the heat/airconditioning running in our 5,000sq ft home with the Benzo in the garage, the Plasma playing and the wife bringing over fresh cold beers to us normal citizens while they hash it out on their own and explain to each other that they were "framed"!!!
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Wow hope you aren't saying Titus was framed. Cause if that was what happened the guy who did is absolutely the best at what he does in history.
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it was Gross who Craig was trying to frame...flunkies take the fall
Awwww...but it didn't work out this time Craig.....Boo hooooo :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Wow hope you aren't saying Titus was framed. Cause if that was what happened the guy who did is absolutely the best at what he does in history.
Not at all. Titus is obviously at the bottom of this - although we may well find that Kelly actually killed Melissa, it's rather doubtful that Craig has had a complete lack of culpability beyond the disposal of the body. He's a self-centered, meth-fueled egomaniac who's gone too far. He'll pay.
I was responding to bigbalddaddy's philosophy about maiming the convicted.
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And they just saved a bunch of money on their insurance by switching to Geico
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People are entitled to whatever emotions they want. As a victim, or family member of a victim, anyone is entitled to feel hatred.
Society however should only look into what is most cost efficient, how the society could make the least losses.
If society will get more profit from keeping prisoners locked up for long time, then that should be the general policy.
If on the other hand, it is shown that society gets more profit (paid taxes, increased spending, et al) from having shorter sentencing and "Summer Camp Jail" style jails, then that's how the prison policy should be.
It should only be what is best for the society. Never what our emotions tells us.
A person who is sent to prison for life, will never be able to contribute to the working force of his/hers country. Economically, a disaster for any nation.
YIP
Zack
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we dont need nutcases murderers running loose on the landscape. he should be locked up for 35 years minimum for killing a human being.
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Why don't they send guys who are in prison for life and on death row to Iraq or somewhere where they are fighting. Give them a gun and let them go kick some ass. Or even use them to test bullet proof vests or hand grenades
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It's true, they could send some of these guys over to Iraq and Afganistan in place of good people. Tookie Williams for one could have gone. Some of those guys with nothing to lose would be nuts-exactly what's needed to deal with maniacs over there. They could put a remote controlled bomb on each of them that would go off if they tried to desert. As in Russia, the worst cases could be used to clear minefields.
Interesting statement by Craig, that obviously he would have dug a hole and thrown the victim in if he thought he was guilty, that to just set the car on fire was just too dumb to do if he was guilty.. ???
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But the bodybuilding world will miss him, so he won't get the death penalty.
I won't miss him.....if he is guilty then he deserves the same as anyone else.
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I won't miss him.....if he is guilty then he deserves the same as anyone else.
Titus will get probation and 100 hours community service, 'cause he's a bodybuilder. I feel sorry for him, 100 hours is gonna suck balls!
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Titus will get probation and 100 hours community service, 'cause he's a bodybuilder. I feel sorry for him, 100 hours is gonna suck balls!
I don't know.I think the general public views bodybuilders more negatively than they do athletes in any other sport/whatever the hell bodybuilding is.....sport/ pagent.???
I think people who don't know will AUTOMATICLY think steroid rage or some bull shit like that.I personally think he is guilty...but who knows. It would be sad to think that anyone would get different punishment than you or I just because they are well known.( however well known they really are)..of coarse we all know this goes on all the time...but it isn't right.
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To tell you the absolute truth, if someone killed my daughters I would not want them to go jail. I would do everything in my power to torture the f**k out of them and make them die the most horrible and painful death possible. I wouldn't give a f**k about getting caught or going to prison for doing it.
Wow, you're so macho! :o Now seriously, you wouldn't do shit... ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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In todays Las Vegas Review Journal (the local main paper) there is an article regarding a man who robbed a cab driver and doused him in gas & set him on fire. The cab driver died. The man was convicted of murder, arson, robbery & kidnapping. The jury gave him life in prison... not the death penalty.
I am trying post the link. If someone with better computer skills than me can post the link, it would be appreciated. Thanks.
Las Vegas Review Journal
http://www.reviewjournal.com (http://www.reviewjournal.com)
using my pitiful linkage, click Saturday & scroll down to "Cab Driver Killer" article, Sorry.
Thanks for this intriguing nugget of data. (Please don't stop!) I assume premeditation wasn't prooven here, and this was a "stranger-to-stranger" killing that took place following a robbery. Well, there's more room for premeditation in Melissa's case. MUCH more. Esp. if a motive for murder is actually established
and it's like...well, like loan fraud. Remember when bodybuilding coach Gordon Kimbrough was convicted of 1st degree murder in the almost-with-his-own-hands murder of aerobics instructor/fitness model Kristy Ramsey in San Francisco a few years back? It was clearly commited in the heat of passion (she had called off their wedding and told him she'd just spent the weekend with another man, etc., and tested positive for cocaine and diet pills). My point: The jury pool is like a box of chocolates...you NEVER know what you're going to get.