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Every year I post who will be breakout star of the year...
for 2105 who will WWE miss the ball on?
2014 goes to Caesaro.....if anyone listened to Vince/Austin podcast.....was asked what is up with Caesaro and Vince's response....not sure maybe cuz he's swiss??? What?!!! He is so over right now, can do one move and the fans will continue to love him
2015....hmm........I say Sami Zayn, Ziggler or Wyatt
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I'm just going to watch NWA/WWF reruns from the 80's on youtube.com for a year.
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2015.. I would say Daniel Bryan.. when he comes back.. he will get buried..
Even thou he is really over... he will get buried...
Back to cena once again and he is 3 moves...
Oh well.. that is why WWE is so stale... :'(
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WWE might be on a downslope for the next few years. It's cyclical. I def think VM winding down his involvement will make things a little bumpy.
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I'm just going to watch NWA/WWF reruns from the 80's on youtube.com for a year.
Welcome to my life.
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I genuinely think Reigns / Ambrose will suffer because of the others success this year - depending on which guy gets the nod to run with the strap. Ambrose should already be in that world title picture but was shelved to allow an injured reigns to take the spot even though fans have voiced their concerns.
Reigns is very 1 dimensional, sucks at promos & looks awkward when you try to develop his character. Ambrose has EVERYTHING right now.
Adrian Neville will be buried on the main roster, Ziggler will be a perennial mid carder the way hes bouncing between IC title wins & Rusev will fade away one hes finally beaten (cue Cena...) & his angle is dropped.
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I genuinely think Reigns / Ambrose will suffer because of the others success this year - depending on which guy gets the nod to run with the strap. Ambrose should already be in that world title picture but was shelved to allow an injured reigns to take the spot even though fans have voiced their concerns.
Reigns is very 1 dimensional, sucks at promos & looks awkward when you try to develop his character. Ambrose has EVERYTHING right now.
Adrian Neville will be buried on the main roster, Ziggler will be a perennial mid carder the way hes bouncing between IC title wins & Rusev will fade away one hes finally beaten (cue Cena...) & his angle is dropped.
Yes Reigns cannot cut a promo BUT you can't really blame him. Back in the day, promos were off the cuff ala Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper Flair, then wrestlers were given bullets to cover ala Jericho, Rock etc.
Now the newer guys are given summaries of stuff that are not them and they would never say, hence Reigns god awful promos. It is time to bring back more Manager's / mouthpieces like Heyman....
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WWE has so gone to shits, too bad.
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This guy is a hot prospect
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I'm just going to watch NWA/WWF reruns from the 80's on youtube.com for a year.
Add me to that list.
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Theyre having Corbin literally smoke everyone that gets in there with him, squash match after squash match. They need to maintain his momentum but not make him untouchable like, say, Umaga. He needs to be taken passed 2 mins, 5 mins, 8 mins but still come out on top. if they do this right he has a decent future.
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FANDANGO OTHER THAN HIS INTRO IS BORING TO WATCH,,,CAN HE BE PUT OVER/PUSHED?/
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WWE might be on a downslope for the next few years. It's cyclical. I def think VM winding down his involvement will make things a little bumpy.
Not might be...more like IT IS. They have already gone from 15,000 - 20,000 arena sellouts down to using two thirds of the arenas with large parts of the upper deck being tarped off. The average night for Raw is 5,000-8,000 if they are lucky to 3,000 - 5,000 for smackdown. This is the reason they have come out with Total Divas and or the Network. In the hopes that it will generate viewers and revenue as they simply cannot get it doing just shows alone. its gotten pathetic.
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Not might be...more like IT IS. They have already gone from 15,000 - 20,000 arena sellouts down to using two thirds of the arenas with large parts of the upper deck being tarped off. The average night for Raw is 5,000-8,000 if they are lucky to 3,000 - 5,000 for smackdown. This is the reason they have come out with Total Divas and or the Network. In the hopes that it will generate viewers and revenue as they simply cannot get it doing just shows alone. its gotten pathetic.
I never understand this. I almost think it's oversaturation. I told my son that you'd never see Hogan wrestle if it's wasn't PPV or unless they did those late saturday night specials. I think it's watered down a lot of the sell of it. WWE has made their product disposable to the modern entertainment fan.
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I never understand this. I almost think it's oversaturation. I told my son that you'd never see Hogan wrestle if it's wasn't PPV or unless they did those late saturday night specials. I think it's watered down a lot of the sell of it. WWE has made their product disposable to the modern entertainment fan.
Disposable is a very good word.
I remember when their Monday night show was called Prime Time Wrestling. Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan hosted what consisted of a recap of taped matches, they aired promos/interviews showcasing current angles and story lines, plugging upcoming PPV's and merchandise, etc. It was essentially the weekend shows, but with Heenan & Monsoon discussing everything that was happening.
Vince eventually changed the format of the show to feature a live studio audience (WWF office employees) and - surprise - himself. It didn't last like that for long before going to a paneled discussion format, and finally a live show moving to that Manhattan theater ballroom.
The weekly Manhattan shows began an era in which "special" matches usually reserved for PPV's and shows like Saturday Night's Main Event were now aired weekly. WCW copied that formula, causing the Fed to up their weekly game. By then - and especially now - it was increasingly difficult to make a big show special anymore.
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It's enough to make me cry into my IcoPro shake.
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It's enough to make me cry into my IcoPro shake.
....or watch XFL re-runs :-\
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....or watch XFL re-runs :-\
I liked the original concept of the XFL. Too bad they ass-f*cked it.
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I liked the original concept of the XFL. Too bad they ass-f*cked it.
I cannot believe the ego of Vince McMahon...actually thinking he could compete with the NFL. That in its own right is a joke.
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I jerked off to No Holds Barred once. I don't really like to talk about it though.
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I cannot believe the ego of Vince McMahon...actually thinking he could compete with the NFL. That in its own right is a joke.
Hey, it worked for a week.
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Hey, it worked for a week.
Lol..just like his WBF bullshit... :o
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I cannot believe the ego of Vince McMahon...actually thinking he could compete with the NFL. That in its own right is a joke.
Especially when you consider that he couldn't even compete successfully against the IFBB.
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Especially when you consider that he couldn't even compete successfully against the IFBB.
Lou Ferrigno and Mike Christian claimed in interviews that Vince was paying them 300,000 dollars per year on a 2 year contract. No surprise there that IFBB talents would jump ship.
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6 days in an they are dropping the ball on my boy Ziggy and Ambrose is losing every match.
The thought process is supposedly to make Bray hot to potentially face Taker at WM......uggh
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6 days in an they are dropping the ball on my boy Ziggy and Ambrose is losing every match.
The thought process is supposedly to make Bray hot to potentially face Taker at WM......uggh
What is so special about defeating Taker at Mania anymore?
The paradigm is over.
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Every year I post who will be breakout star of the year...
for 2105 who will WWE miss the ball on?
2014 goes to Caesaro.....if anyone listened to Vince/Austin podcast.....was asked what is up with Caesaro and Vince's response....not sure maybe cuz he's swiss??? What?!!! He is so over right now, can do one move and the fans will continue to love him
2015....hmm........I say Sami Zayn, Ziggler or Wyatt
While watching the New Japan Wrestle Kingdom, I thought about which WWE guys would do well, over there. Cesaro was the first guy who came to mind. His style would go over well, in Japan.
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WWE brass predicted Roman Reigns but aside from his athletics and look, his promos are quickly turning him into quicksand. I believe he will flounder.
Look out for Seth Rollins....he get's "it". ;)
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WWE brass predicted Roman Reigns but aside from his athletics and look, his promos are quickly turning him into quicksand. I believe he will flounder.
Look out for Seth Rollins....he get's "it". ;)
Problem is Reign's promos are overly scripted and it is not his words....to a point I cannot fault him. He is supposed to be a kick ass guy, give him less lines and more physicality...
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What is so special about defeating Taker at Mania anymore?
The paradigm is over.
I'd rather watch Disco Inferno vs Alex Wright for the TV Title over another old man predictable Taker match.
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I'd rather watch Disco Inferno vs Alex Wright for the TV Title over another old man predictable Taker match.
Plus, the "streak" is over. From a story line perspective, that was always the selling point. Anything with Taker now is just another match. Even if someone beats him at Mania, so what? It's been done.
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Plus, the "streak" is over. From a story line perspective, that was always the selling point. Anything with Taker now is just another match. Even if someone beats him at Mania, so what? It's been done.
I couldn't agree more. On a side note...watch out for Seth Rollins...mark my word...he'll wind up with heyman one way or another.He reminds me of Edge when he was in his prime with Lita.
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I couldn't agree more. On a side note...watch out for Seth Rollins...mark my word...he'll wind up with heyman one way or another.He reminds me of Edge when he was in his prime with Lita.
Lesnar has broken ribs (sound familiar?) and Rollins has the briefcase.
Hmmmmmm......
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Does anyone think bringing jobbers back would help things?
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Does anyone think bringing jobbers back would help things?
WWE can't afford to do that with all the budget cuts that have happened over the past year and the cuts that are still looming in the future. That being said, I think it would be a great idea.
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Jobbers would be great to build up guys. It focuses attention on one individual. Lets them showcase their moves. I used to love seeing a guy build up from that point to bigger matches. It also allows the company to gauge how much a character is going over w/ the crowd instead of just placing them in big matches out of nowhere.
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Jobbers would be great to build up guys. It focuses attention on one individual. Lets them showcase their moves. I used to love seeing a guy build up from that point to bigger matches. It also allows the company to gauge how much a character is going over w/ the crowd instead of just placing them in big matches out of nowhere.
It was a great and highly effective formula in the day.
I don't know how well it would work now.
Audiences/people today have much less patience. Also, they are used to seeing main-event cards on a weekly basis thanks to what started with Monday night wrestling in the mid-90's.
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Yeah, I'm trying to view it through my -10yr old mind. As a kid I always loved the finishing moves or just seeing what style of wrestler a guy would be. I remember seeing Adam Bomb do his finisher and thinking he killed the jobber.
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They brought in jobbers for Ryback. On his podcast JR and Madden talked about having jobbers for a couple of the matches, they have 3 hours to fill on Mondays, just to get some young stars over. It could and should be done.
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They brought in jobbers for Ryback. On his podcast JR and Madden talked about having jobbers for a couple of the matches, they have 3 hours to fill on Mondays, just to get some young stars over. It could and should be done.
Financial budget. How can they afford to pay jobbers in the long run when they're looking to make roster cuts every 6 months?
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Financial budget. How can they afford to pay jobbers in the long run when they're looking to make roster cuts every 6 months?
True jobbers are cheap/inexpensive - at least in relation to contracted talent.
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True jobbers are cheap/inexpensive - at least in relation to contracted talent.
Probably a silly question....does Vince allow for anyone on his active roster to have an agent?
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Probably a silly question....does Vince allow for anyone on his active roster to have an agent?
I don't know about now, but I believe Ventura was the first to have agent representation in Barry Bloom. Piper soon followed. As of the early 2000's, many of the major players like Jericho & RVD had agents. Again, I honestly don't know about now. I've been "disconnected" directly from the business for about a decade.
Jesse Ventura set a precedent after appearing in several movies and deciding that his movie agent should represent him in pro-wrestling, too. This was after his failed attempt to unionize wrestling.
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Bloom has represented quite a few big-time wrestlers over the years, including Mick Foley.
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Plus, the "streak" is over. From a story line perspective, that was always the selling point. Anything with Taker now is just another match. Even if someone beats him at Mania, so what? It's been done.
That is why it was the most BONEHEADED move McMahon had to end the streak, especially with the Undertaker in his Deadman gimmick. I could somewhat stomach it happening with the Biker gimmick. But, given how many times Lesnar beat 'Taker then, a loss at WrestleMania might not have had as much shock value.
WrestleMania was about three big bouts: The two world title matches and "The Streak Match" vs. Taker (unless 'Taker was involved in a title match, i.e. WM23 and WM24).
The match at WM29 was the biggest match Punk ever had. Many thought he would end the streak. I even thought it was possible until Paul Bearer died (you may recall my thread about that from two years ago).
Taker vs. Sting would have been GIGANTIC, just on hype alone. If the Deadman were able to whip himself into shape, ala 2007, LOOK OUT!!! 22-0 vs. the last WCW mohican, the vigilante.
Now, we get bupkus, unless they go Sting vs. Lesnar. And THAT only happens if they let Rollins cash MITB on the Beast.
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The Undertaker losing the streak was a brilliant move on McMahon's part. Taker was / is OLD and healthwise he can no longer do it. Who better to lose to than a phenomenal athlete who to top it off was a wrecking machine in UFC? It was perfect and a great way for the Undertaker to walk away and pass the torch. You need a monster opponent to defeat the Undertaker and Brock with Heyman in his corner was perfect. Everyone got tired of seeing the predictable streak and an aging Undertaker. It was completely played out. Its the element of surprise folks...it was brilliant because no one expected it. Its also What Taker wanted.
What I would like to see?
If someway somehow Daniel Brian faces Brock in a David versus Goliath story and with outside interference wins the match and Rollins out of no where cashes in. Again...the element of surprise. DB had his chance last WM and you can't do the same show twice and have him win...Rollins winning and then becoming the new Heymen guy is brilliant business.
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Financial budget. How can they afford to pay jobbers in the long run when they're looking to make roster cuts every 6 months?
Most job guys are doing it for the exposure and opportunity, for most getting backstage and comped to the show is enough. It's like being an intern for a fortune 500 company, any money you get is a huge plus. It's not much more than $100, unless they're interested in bringing you in.
If the WWE was EVER concerned with paying a job guy..... they might as well turn out the lights because the party's over.
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Jeff Hardy was a jobber before he made it big time... took him a long time to become Big name...
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Jeff Hardy was a jobber before he made it big time... took him a long time to become Big name...
Absolutely. Hardy jobbed for about 7 years straight before even getting a lower to mid-card spot. Once he made it big he became one of the bigger earners and with leverage. TNA signed him for 750,000.
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Absolutely. Hardy jobbed for about 7 years straight before even getting a lower to mid-card spot. Once he made it big he became one of the bigger earners and with leverage. TNA signed him for 750,000.
Huh? 7 years a jobber?? With who, WWE?
Hardy was part of prolific tag team with his brother starting at age 21 years old. How can you be a jobber when you're winning tag team titles? When was he ever a jobber, let alone for 7 years? Even in his mid 20's as a singles competitor he was challenging Undertaker for the world title in a ladder match.
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Huh? 7 years a jobber?? With who, WWE?
Hardy was part of prolific tag team with his brother starting at age 21 years old. How can you be a jobber when you're winning tag team titles? When was he ever a jobber, let alone for 7 years? Even in his mid 20's as a singles competitor he was challenging Undertaker for the world title in a ladder match.
He jobbed for ECW, and a whack of independants as well as WWE. Wasn't till he started doing crazy air moves that he got recognized and was given a push with his brother.
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He jobbed for ECW, and a whack of independants as well as WWE. Wasn't till he started doing crazy air moves that he got recognized and was given a push with his brother.
Not for 7 years, though. Unless he started wrestling indy's and ECW at the age of 15. He was already a popular star by age 21 in the WWE with his brother. I'd say Hardy is one of the very few to start wrestling for the world's biggest wrestling organization at a very young age.
At 37, he's still a high risk high flier. Took a wicked nasty bump on the ring steps a few months back. Hope he doesn't end up like the Dynamite Kid when he gets older. Hardy is all about entertaining the fans.
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I just can't watch regularly anymore. I can only handle watching a RAW episode once every 3 or 4 months these days.
The sad part is, you don't really miss much either.
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Not for 7 years, though. Unless he started wrestling indy's and ECW at the age of 15. He was already a popular star by age 21 in the WWE with his brother. I'd say Hardy is one of the very few to start wrestling for the world's biggest wrestling organization at a very young age.
At 37, he's still a high risk high flier. Took a wicked nasty bump on the ring steps a few months back. Hope he doesn't end up like the Dynamite Kid when he gets older. Hardy is all about entertaining the fans.
Watch "Razor Ramon vs. Jeff Hardy: Raw, June 6, 1994" on YouTube
Razor Ramon vs. Jeff Hardy: Raw, June 6, 1994:
Here you go stud. I think Jeff was a junior in high school when he fought Razor Ramon, on Monday Night Raw. His principal kicked him off the football team because he was a "professional" athlete. Google Jim Ross's podcast with the Hardys for more information.
*as much protesting as you've done a 30 second Google search would have helped you tremendously.
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^^^^LOL
I honestly had no idea he started that young as a jobber. Holy shit that's an early start. I stand corrected.
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^^^^LOL
I honestly had no idea he started that young as a jobber. Holy shit that's an early start. I stand corrected.
It takes a man's man to admit his erroneous ways in regards to grown men in spandex pretending to fight. I know because I have done it, myself.
Respect!!!
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That is amazing shit. Jeff hardy at 16 years old fighting the 'bad guy' on prime time as a jobber. Little did I know. I like how Razor looked right at the camera and said, "Welcome to the bigtime, kid!" and then gives Jeff a stiff boot to the face.
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I just can't watch regularly anymore. I can only handle watching a RAW episode once every 3 or 4 months these days.
The sad part is, you don't really miss much either.
I PVR it and sift through it.
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Jeff Hardy LOL!!! without his make-ups, and flashy music!
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It takes a man's man to admit his erroneous ways in regards to grown men in spandex pretending to fight. I know because I have done it, myself.
Respect!!!
That is amazing shit. Jeff hardy at 16 years old fighting the 'bad guy' on prime time as a jobber. Little did I know. I like how Razor looked right at the camera and said, "Welcome to the bigtime, kid!" and then gives Jeff a stiff boot to the face.
^^^^LOL
I honestly had no idea he started that young as a jobber. Holy shit that's an early start. I stand corrected.
Quoted for truth. It's pretty amazing the Hardy's were able to accomplish so much so young, that says something about will and determination. However like most industry's wrestling is relatively small world and once you've got an opening you're exposed to a lot.
I think the most fascinating thing about Jeff Hardy was once he finally made it to the top he was ready to walk away. I remember him being on the cover of the WWE magazine pos displays in 7/11's for the summer slam edition right before he left. The Fed was really pushing him and he wasn't resigned, but they still went with him because he was so over, because they knew he was a lifer and he had to want the top spot but he left.
He spent his whole life pursuing the WWE dream and when he finally reached it he was burnt out. ...
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WWE put the strap on Jeff a few years back but he didn't keep it for very long.
I hope Jeff is ready to call it a career soon. He's still taking nasty bumps at his age and he doesn't appear to be letting up .
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Talking about Hardy's saw a Youtube video of 20 richest wrestlers and Matt was on the list with $10 mil....Huh?!