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We are proud to feature 2005 Nationals Super-Heavyweight and Overall Champion Bill Willmore on the next cover of MD.
Bill was runner up at the Nationals two years in a row. He fought a long, hard fight to turn pro. He is in every sense of the word, a warrior, a true champion, and therefore deserves top billing on the cover this month.
Steve Blechman
President/Editor-in-Chief
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Thats awesome i really like his side chest! I also like that you guys put the right bodybuilders on the covers, the ones that deserve it!
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I do like the word "KILLER" right over the picture of Titus & Ryan. The entire phase is "KILLER LEGS", but the inference is excellent. ;D
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they photshop the shit out of those covers.
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Are you saying that Bills arms are not that big in real Sarcasm?
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they really do photoshop the covers. I would also imagine maybe they do some photoshop on the other photos as well.
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yeah love that KILLER over craiggers LOL
good attempt to contaminate the jury pool
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Trains at my gym. Looks good. Doom approves.
As for Photoshopping covers, these days, anyone with a brain knows that virtually all magazines manipulate cover photos. From Vogue, to Time, to your favorite body building rag, they have all been doing it for years.
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Is that Renee Toney on the cover? :-\
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Sorry he ain't that big. there was a picture in MD last month of when he won holding his arms up and he looked pretty skinny. In one of the guru articles they were complaining he didn't deserve to win.
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Man you guys are bitter little dwarfs! Bill Wilmore's got an awesome side chest and he actually looks like he could kick some ass in a fight!
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Is that Renee Toney on the cover? :-\
;D
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Trains at my gym. Looks good. Doom approves.
As for Photoshopping covers, these days, anyone with a brain knows that virtually all magazines manipulate cover photos. From Vogue, to Time, to your favorite body building rag, they have all been doing it for years.
They don't say "listen to the Doctor" for nothing.
You have spoken.
MULT
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Don Long also looked awesome!
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Awesome News!
Congrats on the COVER and again to Big Bill Wilmore NPC Overall National Champion 2005, making his pro Debut at the:
Colorado Pro Classic May 13th in Denver!
Tickets, Events, Athletes, Prizes, Hotel and Info @
www.coloradoproshow.com
Peace,
S. Ray
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Good cover but the MD website needs an extreme makeover. :'(
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/new/mdmain.html
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Bill is a very nice guy in person and congrats on getting his pro card, but he's got no future in Pro Bodybuilding. 3rd tier at best.
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We'll see when he begins his Pro Career in Denver, Dont Miss it! ;D
www.coloradoproshow.com
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the last few over all national champs have not really done anything on the pro level. Duvall is out of the "sport" Cook is floundering around...I never thought he was all that good...now Willmore...I just don't see him doing all that well. I might be wrong, who knows. It seems like they award size, as in "he's a super heavy so give it to him" over anything else. Yeah it looks good on paper when a 250+ pounder wins but if they are not complete and polished they shouldn't get the overall. Back in the day a guy like Shawn or Vince Taylor or Strydom could win the overall at the nationals and step right on a pro stage and be a force, now a days the over all winner-usually the SH-is getting smoked by everyone else he beat to be a pro. Get rid of the SH class, it's a joke.
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With all the head-shrinking on that rag's covers, why can't they show Chris Cormier some love? Help a brother out.
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Good cover but the MD website needs an extreme makeover. :'(
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/new/mdmain.html
The website is under development!
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they photshop the shit out of those covers.
What a fuckin' idiot...
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the last few over all national champs have not really done anything on the pro level. Duvall is out of the "sport" Cook is floundering around...I never thought he was all that good...now Willmore...I just don't see him doing all that well. I might be wrong, who knows. It seems like they award size, as in "he's a super heavy so give it to him" over anything else. Yeah it looks good on paper when a 250+ pounder wins but if they are not complete and polished they shouldn't get the overall. Back in the day a guy like Shawn or Vince Taylor or Strydom could win the overall at the nationals and step right on a pro stage and be a force, now a days the over all winner-usually the SH-is getting smoked by everyone else he beat to be a pro. Get rid of the SH class, it's a joke.
Interesting, check out the list of NPC National overall champs since 1991:
1991: Kevin Levrone
1992: John Sherman
1993: Michael Francois
1994: Paul DeMayo
1995: Don Long
1996: Willie Stallings
1997: Tom Prince
1998: Jason Arntz
1999: Aaron Maddron
2000: Victor Martinez
2001: Johnnie O. Jackson
2002: Toney Freeman
2003: Mat DuVall
2004: Chris Cook
2005: Bill Wilmore
With two notable exceptions (Levrone and Martinez) that list reads like a Who's Who of pro bodybuilding mediocrity (not counting a few guys who could've been great but self-destructed).
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cool cover. Can't wait for that one.
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Interesting, check out the list of NPC National overall champs since 1991:
1991: Kevin Levrone
1992: John Sherman
1993: Michael Francois
1994: Paul DeMayo
1995: Don Long
1996: Willie Stallings
1997: Tom Prince
1998: Jason Arntz
1999: Aaron Maddron
2000: Victor Martinez
2001: Johnnie O. Jackson
2002: Toney Freeman
2003: Mat DuVall
2004: Chris Cook
2005: Bill Wilmore
With two notable exceptions (Levrone and Martinez) that list reads like a Who's Who of pro bodybuilding mediocrity (not counting a few guys who could've been great but self-destructed).
just what i was saying, it's gotten really bad over the last few years..Toney Freeman is probably doing the best out of all of those guys and he struggles to get into the top 6 at a show like the ironman. Haney, Paris, Christian, Williams, Strydom, Ray, Taylor..they were all threats to just about any pro title when they became pro's except Williams cause he fell off the face of the earth for awhile..now it's a different story. Did the quality of the champs go down? I think so, cook is a prime example. He has loads of potential but he should not be a pro just yet. He's a work in progress. Look at Shawn, he could have stepped offstage at the nationals and walked onto the olympia stage looking the exact same and been top 5, maybe even top 3, same with Taylor and guys like levrone. Martinez took a few years to hit his stride but he's not who I was really tlaking about, more about the supers who are given an overall because they are just big but they get crushed as pro's. Willmore is a very big man but when I looked at the pics from the nationals I don't think he's gonna do any real damage.
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great cover and a deserving bb on the cover as well!
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Good Photo Shop Of Bill !
I used to be the biggest fan of MD reading every issue from cover to cover.Any time someone would mention MD you would see me post this :
MD RULES !!!!!!
Well not enymore MDis boring now I have not even finished reading last months issue and I probably will not.
R.I.P MD
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are you gonna subscribe to flex magazine ? :o
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no
I'll Just Stick with Getbig.com
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Great Idea
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Good Photo Shop Of Bill !
I used to be the biggest fan of MD reading every issue from cover to cover.Any time someone would mention MD you would see me post this :
MD RULES !!!!!!
Well not enymore MDis boring now I have not even finished reading last months issue and I probably will not.
R.I.P MD
same thing i never read all of it either
my MD thread got deleted, it has become boring, I think it needs more nutritional articles and more steroid articles - pics, alot seems repetitive lately.
different methods of training, mass gain diets.
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just what i was saying, it's gotten really bad over the last few years..Toney Freeman is probably doing the best out of all of those guys and he struggles to get into the top 6 at a show like the ironman. Haney, Paris, Christian, Williams, Strydom, Ray, Taylor..they were all threats to just about any pro title when they became pro's except Williams cause he fell off the face of the earth for awhile..now it's a different story. Did the quality of the champs go down? I think so, cook is a prime example. He has loads of potential but he should not be a pro just yet. He's a work in progress. Look at Shawn, he could have stepped offstage at the nationals and walked onto the olympia stage looking the exact same and been top 5, maybe even top 3, same with Taylor and guys like levrone. Martinez took a few years to hit his stride but he's not who I was really tlaking about, more about the supers who are given an overall because they are just big but they get crushed as pro's. Willmore is a very big man but when I looked at the pics from the nationals I don't think he's gonna do any real damage.
Johnnie O Jackson has won a pro show, and Mike Francois was awesome.
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just what i was saying, it's gotten really bad over the last few years..Toney Freeman is probably doing the best out of all of those guys and he struggles to get into the top 6 at a show like the ironman. Haney, Paris, Christian, Williams, Strydom, Ray, Taylor..they were all threats to just about any pro title when they became pro's except Williams cause he fell off the face of the earth for awhile..now it's a different story. Did the quality of the champs go down? I think so, cook is a prime example. He has loads of potential but he should not be a pro just yet. He's a work in progress. Look at Shawn, he could have stepped offstage at the nationals and walked onto the olympia stage looking the exact same and been top 5, maybe even top 3, same with Taylor and guys like levrone. Martinez took a few years to hit his stride but he's not who I was really tlaking about, more about the supers who are given an overall because they are just big but they get crushed as pro's. Willmore is a very big man but when I looked at the pics from the nationals I don't think he's gonna do any real damage.
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If you have been to any of the Nationals, you would have seen that the victories of most of the overall winners were correct. They were the best that day. One could argue a few decisions like Cook's--but on that night--he was his best ever.
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If you have been to any of the Nationals, you would have seen that the victories of most of the overall winners were correct. They were the best that day. One could argue a few decisions like Cook's--but on that night--he was his best ever.
Yes, they were the deserving winners BUT perhaps the depth and overall quality of the Nationals competitors is not what it used to be, based on the overall winners' record in pro competition in recent years.
Maybe that has to do with bodybuilding not being as popular as it was in the 80's and 90's, therefore there are going to be less standout competitors because the "best and brightest" are involved in other, more rewarding, sports. I don't know that for a fact, just a guess. Any other ideas why?
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Yes, they were the deserving winners BUT perhaps the depth and overall quality of the Nationals competitors is not what it used to be, based on the overall winners' record in pro competition in recent years.
Maybe that has to do with bodybuilding not being as popular as it was in the 80's and 90's, therefore there are going to be less standout competitors because the "best and brightest" are involved in other, more rewarding, sports. I don't know that for a fact, just a guess. Any other ideas why?
I believe that is part of the answer. But you have to look at some situations, that certain bodybuilders can be great amateurs but can't adapt to the pro level. For example: Jason Arntz was incredible when he won the Nationals--he had the best overall package. But as a pro, he can't do shit--too small/physique reached it's peak in '98. Look at the Super Heavyweight he beat for the overall--Orville Burke! He had a decent pro career before his near death scare. Basically, he improved as a pro while the overall winner didn't. I personally see Bill Whitmore improving as a pro.
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A friend of mine is a phot expert and he said the last 3 covers have certainly, no doubt been photoshopped to make ronnie, gus and now bill look bigger. Shame, ronnie is big enough without it.
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Wow MD are posting on getbig now :o but dont they moan every month about how awful these chat rooms r with all the hateing and stuff? they went from a steroid hating nat mag to a steroid loving freak mag and now posting on the boards they hate!!! i love this sport :D
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Awesome News!
Congrats on the COVER and again to Big Bill Wilmore NPC Overall National Champion 2005, making his pro Debut at the:
Colorado Pro Classic May 13th in Denver!
Tickets, Events, Athletes, Prizes, Hotel and Info @
www.coloradoproshow.com
Peace,
S. Ray
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you really hold your own in that pic shawn.
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you really hold your own in that pic shawn.
Shawn is struggling to hold that shirt up.
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Which title should we go with: "Photoshop Development" or "Muscular Photoshop"?
That's very slimey even for a bodybuilding rag. Fans depend on accurate photos. Like their Ronnie cover, that doesn't even look like him. In the Vyotech ad of the exact same shot at the exact same contest, his arms and delts are half as big and his head is twice the size.
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Which title should we go with: "Photoshop Development" or "Muscular Photoshop"?
That's very slimey even for a bodybuilding rag. Fans depend on accurate photos. Like their Ronnie cover, that doesn't even look like him. In the Vyotech ad of the exact same shot at the exact same contest, his arms and delts are half as big and his head is twice the size.
I vote for Muscular Photoshop.
Seriously, I can’t believe people are acting like this is news. Where have you all been? Magazines have been doing this sort of thing for more than 20 years.
The fact is magazines like Vogue, Cosmo, and Muscular Development are not selling reality; they are selling a fantasy, more specifically they are selling supplements & make up products that bring buyers closer to the fantasy.
If all the magazines took a pledge and certified that their photos are original and undoctored the photos you are used to seeing would look radically different and magazine sales would plummet. In other words, consumers want the fantasy.
Anyone over 15 is too old to be surprised by this “revelation.”
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are you saying false hope.................... . Cause that's what I used to sell at my gym.
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Actually, if it weren't for Bill holding my hand, I probably would have fallen over :-\
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Actually, if it weren't for Bill holding my hand, I probably would have fallen over :-\
were u gonna fall off the box u were standing on :D
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Actually, if it weren't for Bill holding my hand, I probably would have fallen over :-\
i knew it shawn is coming back to compete again, the diet is getting to him if he cant even stand up. ;D
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i knew it shawn is coming back to compete again, the diet is getting to him if he cant even stand up. ;D
Not only that, but he's holding mens' hands again. What's next? ::)
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bill is such a bear of a man
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bill is such a bear of a man
Yeah i can see y shawn likes him :D
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the last few over all national champs have not really done anything on the pro level. Duvall is out of the "sport" Cook is floundering around...I never thought he was all that good...now Willmore...I just don't see him doing all that well. I might be wrong, who knows. It seems like they award size, as in "he's a super heavy so give it to him" over anything else. Yeah it looks good on paper when a 250+ pounder wins but if they are not complete and polished they shouldn't get the overall. Back in the day a guy like Shawn or Vince Taylor or Strydom could win the overall at the nationals and step right on a pro stage and be a force, now a days the over all winner-usually the SH-is getting smoked by everyone else he beat to be a pro. Get rid of the SH class, it's a joke.
I have to disagree with you..Duvall, Cook have/had what it takes physically but they lost focus somewhere along the ride. Willmore is more focused than ever and he will be an excellent pro.
As for "back in the day" Strydom was all shoulders...no back, hams or calves....
The SH class is for true super heavyweights..not insecure heavyweights.
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I have to disagree with you..Duvall, Cook have/had what it takes physically but they lost focus somewhere along the ride. Willmore is more focused than ever and he will be an excellent pro.
As for "back in the day" Strydom was all shoulders...no back, hams or calves....
The SH class is for true super heavyweights..not insecure heavyweights.
i agree with u as far as mat duvall is concerned. but cook losing focus? he always found it hard to come in dry in the NPC and he was hailed as one of the most focused guys there. it seems to me that maybe chris's boby doesnt get in condition as easy as some pros! i mean take dex he admits its alot easyer for him than most! maybe chris is on the opposite end of the scale?
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I have to disagree with you..Duvall, Cook have/had what it takes physically but they lost focus somewhere along the ride. Willmore is more focused than ever and he will be an excellent pro.
As for "back in the day" Strydom was all shoulders...no back, hams or calves....
The SH class is for true super heavyweights..not insecure heavyweights.
Strydom won pro shows, I think he won like 5 IFBB shows before the WBF fiasco. Mostly what I was talking about was the last few overall champs...Duvall was ok but remember there were alot of people who thought Dim could have won the overall. Are the SH the best or just the biggest? Not one SH overall champ is capable of stepping onto a pro stage and doing damage like the overall champs of the past. Get rid of the class, it was a good novelty act but the luster has worn away, combine it so we can have one big awsome class...remember the HW class from the early 90's...Cormier, Demayo, Titus, Prince, Francios, Fletcher...those are just a few and I think all of them except Prince was at the 93 USA, when was the last time we saw that kind of quality in the HW or SHW class, not since they got split up.