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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bic_staedtler on February 22, 2006, 08:03:18 PM
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What do you guys think....with the O pretty much in Vegas to stay, do you think it was better when it used to go all over the world? I think it'll stay in Vegas if only due to the money factor...cheaper for the majority of competitors and fans to see.
But I'd still like to see the big show get a global treatment. Probably not gonna happen. What y'all think?
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I think it'd be HUGE in Australia.
I think the fact that shows worldwide aren't doing well is that the participants in those countries might be finally realizing that doing "whatever it takes to win" isn't worth it. Scoring the drugs and the complications both healthwise and legally being a big reason, I'd say.
The IFBB basically has a "monopoly" on bodybuilding, so they can make the rules...and as long as it's making coins for those in the States, I guess they're happy. Not good for future growth, I think. I don't think moving the O around would 'save' bodybuilding, but it would make it a truly international affair.
Imagine the extra trouble it took for Haney to peak after those flights! Imagine the bitching you'd hear about it nowadays....I mean, after all, the Gran Prix is all but dead.
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Really, Australia ??? I think the best turnout would be somewhere in North Antarctica ;D
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what is the population of australia?
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what is the population of australia?
a blue million convicts ;D
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what is the population of australia?
20 million
4 million in sydney alone
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I don't understand that but I'd like to. Australia was an island for prisoners, right?
Basically everyone here was either sent here for being a criminal, came here becasue they were nobodies (ie. dirt poor) in their own land, came here as refugees from various wars (italians and greeks in the 50's and vietnamese in the 70's etc).
When you make it here everyone hates you for your success... not that I can relate to that!
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Basically everyone here was either sent here for being a criminal, came here becasue they were nobodies (ie. dirt poor) in their own land, came here as refugees from various wars (italians and greeks in the 50's and vietnamese in the 70's etc).
When you make it here everyone hates you for your success... not that I can relate to that!
Sounds like paradise........... ::)
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Sounds like paradise........... ::)
hey the climate is great though...
Sydney is the most comfortable... Never ever snows or gets what I'd call cold and rarely gets too hot besides the odd day in summer. nice sea breeze too.
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Basically everyone here was either sent here for being a criminal, came here becasue they were nobodies (ie. dirt poor) in their own land, came here as refugees from various wars (italians and greeks in the 50's and vietnamese in the 70's etc).
When you make it here everyone hates you for your success... not that I can relate to that!
New South Wales was claimed by the British in the 1770's and was set up as a penal colony. After further exploration more colonies formed, however these were free colonies and were never penal colonies. The actual transportation of convicts to australia stopped around the 1840's. Then in 1901 federation occured where all the colonies joined together to form the Commonwealth of Australia.
Migration to Australia is no different to that of America, it is diverse and multicultrual. And tall poppy syndrome is more of a myth in my opinion.
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Lets seeeeeeee.... whats easier to put togeter?
Sending the MAJORITY of athletes to another country, where there are food issues, travel issues, etc OR
Having the MINORITY of competitors from other countries come here?
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Chick, no arguments here about the ease of it. I just think, and perhaps you'd agree that the Mr. O (and bodybuilding in general) seemed to have more prestige back when the TOP contest was held globally.
I'm thinking that was a Ben Weider pushed idea. I'd think Joe wouldn't give much of a damn about it...I'm not talking about your regular pro shows, just the Olympia. It was done that way for far longer than it is now currently in Vegas. But it's probably gone for good...especially in the day of pay per views and the difficulties of running a televised show.
What about different cities in the States, Chick? You of all people gotta know that the O in New York would be UNbelievable! And it wouldn't conflict with any revenues from the New York Pro as they're held so long apart. What about Chicago? Lots of places....more cash to organize, but I think the IFBB can afford it...then again, more costs incurred to the athletes for travel, food, such. But they travel for qualifiers, so how should this be any different?
Just thinking out loud....
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The cost of putting on the Olympia in any city other than Vegas would be cost ineffective. Vegas was built around conventions not gambling. Vegas is the convention capital of the world. Everything is cheap. It is a location that most major airlines fly into. It is a location that is almost impossible to run out of space for conventions and visitors. The Olympia would be awesome if it changed venues every year like it used too, but the cost to the IFBB would be to great. And unless you hold it in a country that is really out of touch, food, travel issues etc are not a problem. Only the cost of them to the IFBB are. They flip the bill for these things so the cost would take away from the profits of the show.
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It's just my personal opinion but I would prefer to see it in different cities/countries. By restricting the show to only the US it does reduce the chance for international fans to attend.
Not to get all political, just stating facts, but remember post 9/11 it can be hard for foreigners to gain entry to the US. People from my part of the world must go through these steps to enter:
Have been at the same job for the last 2 years. If you recently switched job you cannot get a visa even if you are a priest :)
Have a a set amount of money in the bank
Have never been arrested, not even for a traffic offence
Must have your own residence, if you are a young college kid that lives with your parents, you cannot get a visa
Must go for an interview, and the embassy must 'like' you
Must have no relatives in the US, if your brother happened to have married an American girl, you cannot get a visa.
Thats just a start. There are actually over 100 restrictions [literally]
For example, Gustavo is like a major hero in Venezuala. They practically worship him there. If the O was in Canada/UK whatever I guarantee that would be a large amount of Venezualans there.
As I said, not trying to get political so please no one take offense, just stating facts as far as visiting visa facts.
Plus - this is just me of course - but I have been to the O a couple of times and do like Vegas, but if it was in different cities I would like the chance to see the O, and also visit a new place at the same time. I mean - it's not like I attend the O for the fine production value ;)
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CQ, have you tried to apply for a Mastercard instead. It may be easier. American Express isn't to hard as long as you got a little money. Where the hell do you live? Sounds like a party town.
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keep it vegas just at a better venue and have the expo and the show at the same place not across town.
the night life is awesome, the restaurants are great, the prices aren't all that bad, great gyms , not very far from l.a. and texas 2 major bb states , amazing hotels,fun strip clubs......... you couldn't pick a better city for the O.
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Lets seeeeeeee.... whats easier to put togeter?
Sending the MAJORITY of athletes to another country, where there are food issues, travel issues, etc OR
Having the MINORITY of competitors from other countries come here?
If you keep it in Vegas, get someone decent to run the thing. Like whoever runs the Arnold Classic, or Tony Doherty who runs the Australian Grand Prix. Least then the event will be properly run and the competitors, fans and promoters will be happy
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What do you guys think....with the O pretty much in Vegas to stay, do you think it was better when it used to go all over the world? I think it'll stay in Vegas if only due to the money factor...cheaper for the majority of competitors and fans to see.
But I'd still like to see the big show get a global treatment. Probably not gonna happen. What y'all think?
I think it was better when the O Show traveled. I feel it gave everyone who wasn't able to attend - due to travel expense or what have you - an opportunity to do so.
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Dutch Grand Prix 2004
http://www.flexmagazine.co.uk/334.html
the pictures
http://www.bbszene.de/html/dutch_gp2004/
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Chris Cormier @ the Dutch Grand Prix
http://media.putfile.com/Chris-Holland
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Ronnie Coleman
http://media.putfile.com/RonHolland
Markus Ruhl
http://media.putfile.com/MarkusHolland
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I say if it is truly the BBing ultimate prize then it needs to travel to places where u have a lot of bodybuilding fans! america has more than anywhere else so every other year it should be in vegas but the rest of the time it should go to the other bodybuilding nations like australia japan and the UK.
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I say if it is truly the BBing ultimate prize then it needs to travel to places where u have a lot of bodybuilding fans! america has more than anywhere else so every other year it should be in vegas but the rest of the time it should go to the other bodybuilding nations like australia japan and the UK.
we're in the 21st century. it aint necessary to be in all those backward countries when the viewer can see it on the internet
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I bet in Japan they would pack a place with 50,000 people.
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we're in the 21st century. it aint necessary to be in all those backward countries when the viewer can see it on the internet
yeah but i'm sure ppl would like to have it in there country so they can actually be there.
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I'm saying that dollars and cents alone, yes, keep it in Vegas.
But for an truly international show, I'd like to see it move from place to place as it did in the past. Or at least different cities in the states...like L.A. or New York...perhaps have a revolving 4 city 'tour'. I don't see the problem, and it could breathe some new life into the so called superbowl of bodybuilding.
This is supposed to be the PREMIERE show of the IFBB and yet it isn't, overshadowed by the Arnold in almost every respect.
Maybe the powers that be should look into the entire idea of SPENDING money to MAKE money. Sure, you could have it sit in Vegas and continue it's downward spiral, losing fans and presitige until it's no longer commercially viable upon which the IFBB simple pulls the plug...
...OR...
...someone with VISION realizes that there are unique ways to promote the show. We all know that the fanbase is declining....so let's keep it in Vegas (works for Streisand) and in essence make it like just 'any other show'.
But it's not supposed to be just some other show! I think my idea of a four city tour is great and would increase the fanbase by bringing the top show to all corners of the states....and who knows? A year hear and there where it's in a foreign country wouldn't hurt either.
What say thee, Chick?
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If the best that AMI can do in Vegas is the Orleans Hotel, then it might as well move around again. The advantage of Vegas is the great accommodations at a place like the Mandalay Bay where the hotel, expo, show, restaurants, & entertainment are all in one location. Hopefully, they will recognize this advantage when looking at future venues.
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Oi, bigdumbell, guess you've never been to Oz. Mind if i call you bigdumb( kinda suits your parochial attitude, doncha reckon?) - Ok, bigdumb, firstly them's not dildoes, we're just proud and not ashamed of it. Secondly, if the (history lesson for you as you probably weren't born then judging by your puerile post) 1980 O had've been other than here then the controversy and resultant debates re the outcome probably wouldn't have occurred.
Puerile? Look it up yourself you lazy bastard!
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The Olympia in Vegas was a great idea. Before it was in Vegas, the Mr. Olympia contest was always great, bringing in the crowds wherever it went, but the expo was extremely small. I remember in 1997 in Long Beach, California, there were only about 15 booths there, all lined around the venue. Small host hotel, etc.
Once the Olympia was moved the Vegas, and you have a city with a more permanant place for an expo, you can get more sponsors, which in turn can get more booths, which people can make a full weekend of it. Bring in a press conference, Meet The Olympians, seminars, and more, and you have a great weekend. Vegas, with its thousand of hotel rooms, is a great place, not only to have fun for the Olympia, but to enjoy many other things.
Moving it internationally or around to other cities means you may lose the experience and familiarity for the sponsors. Before moving the Olympia, I would see how other pro shows do in each city, and if they fare well.
The Olympia in New York? In Chicago? Perhaps. Should be interesting. And maybe that is what they will do in the future. But Las Vegas is a city that many people love to fly into - and always has good weather. Even in Canada, how many sponsors would go there, where even the products showcased are required to be in English/French.
Now how to make the Olympia bigger is a question that people have been asking. The difference between the Arnold and the Olympia is that the Arnold has now brought in many, many different sports in the same weekend. Cheerleading, table tennis, archery, 5K run. This year, they are moving the martial arts to the Nationwide Arena, which means all three major facilities in Columbus will be used. They also have an army of people helping them in Columbus, plus probably help from the city of Columbus, security, etc.
If the Olympia wants to be bigger, then they need to bring in a number of new sports to the expo, which they can, making the Olympia Weekend the premier event in many sports. But so far, with last’s years Ultimate Fighting cage, and some strongmen competitors, they have chosen to keep the event bodybuilding and fitness oriented only.
Imagine what can happen if they decide to bring in 12 other sports, making it truly the Joe Weider Olympia Weekend for various sports. The audience and the people going to the O will increase by the thousands. Like the Arnold did. If you remember a few years back, the Arnold’s expo was at the Veteran’s auditorium. There was no convention center a half mile away.
So while people are complaining about the Orleans and the Las Vegas Convention Center, in the future, that entire convention center may be used, in an event larger perhaps or equal to the Arnold. Two great weekends and shows - one on the East Coast in March, the other on the West Coast in September/October.
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which one on the east coast in march? columbus ohio is a midwest city closer to chicago than new york
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What I don't understand is the emphasis on rooms so much to determine if the show is great. I have traveled allot in my time. I measured one time and I was traveling and staying in hotels more than 6 months a years in total days. Except for sleeping, taking a shower and shit, getting room service while I watched the Tonight Show and having breakfast in bed, I hardly was in my room. The most important thing to me was that it was clean and the bed was firm and clean. I could care less what it looked like. You guys make it sound like the Orleans is a bad Motel 6. It aint that bad. That hotel is actually really nice for families with kids cause it has so much to do and childcare.
I do think for out of towners the strip is more fun to stay at cause you can walk out the door and just walk up and down the strip. Vegas is awesome. The suites at the Orleans are pretty good. The room service is okay. It aint that bad
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Good points made all around...it would be nice to get some more international flavor to the Mr O, and perhaps the fact that the show moved around gave it a bit of that. Yes, I do agree that in terms of dollars and cents the move to Vegas was good...but it lost something as well. But who am I kidding, it's all about the dollars at the end of the day....or even around half past four!
Weather would be a non-issue in my opinion as we all know, the Arnold is held when it's friggin freezing outside. I would also supose that the main reason the Arnold is so huge is in fact due to the other (mainstream) sports associated with it. And that's great for business...anyway, I'm probably just sounding like a broken record here, but perhaps bodybuilding could get a bit back towards it's core audience, especially at the biggest show of the year. Instead of a ton of sponsors in an expo, I'd rather have an enlarged "Meet the Olympians" where you don't have to wait in such huge line ups to get a pic. Keep the babes, though..hahaha....anyway, I'm rambling.
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try vegas for international flavor
lots of cheap airfares because the casinos
underwrite many charters