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Title: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: theworm on February 13, 2015, 06:47:09 PM
It seems good in theory, plus it raises HDL.   Why does everyone love adex or letro and not nolva?   I know it's a newbie question, but I'm on test and deca and already have gyno, just want others opinions on this
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: oni on February 13, 2015, 07:10:40 PM
Because it doesn't reduce estrogen it just stops you from growing breasts
plus it crushes IGF-1
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: Jizmo on February 13, 2015, 07:35:32 PM
plus its outdated as hell and raloxifene gives all the benefits (and some) without any of the negatives
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: whitewidow on February 14, 2015, 01:50:12 AM
I like stacking Arimidex with nolva and sometimes letro as well. helps me get dryer looking when I am in lean mode
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: local hero on February 14, 2015, 07:21:43 AM
I like stacking Arimidex with nolva and sometimes letro as well. helps me get dryer looking when I am in lean mode

Yeh I always ran arim and nolva in preps.. , orimeton sp? For last 2 weeks also, you never hear of that being used these days
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: Jizmo on February 14, 2015, 09:54:22 AM
Yeh I always ran arim and nolva in preps.. , orimeton sp? For last 2 weeks also, you never hear of that being used these days
i never heard of that at all
might be related to the fact that you spelled it wrong tho  ;D
no idea what you mean, was it an AI ? diuretic ?
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: ritch on February 14, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
I use it a little her and there as my left side can seem "puffier" at times. I use aromasin already, but don't wanna lower estro more as I will feel like shit.

So it can have a use. I don't believe the whole Igf-1 thing affecting muscle gains. It's used in pct! I mean why would something that makes you "small" be advocated for pct use?
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: pestosterone on February 14, 2015, 11:02:18 AM
When i used to use pct Nolva sucked couldn't achieve a boner then I dropped the Nolva did clomid and aromasin for pct it was way smoother and better sexy times now I just have no use for it mayb if I saw it cheap ide pick some up pct sucks no matter what though
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: Jizmo on February 14, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
I use it a little her and there as my left side can seem "puffier" at times. I use aromasin already, but don't wanna lower estro more as I will feel like shit.

So it can have a use. I don't believe the whole Igf-1 thing affecting muscle gains. It's used in pct! I mean why would something that makes you "small" be advocated for pct use?

because getting your testosterone back up is more important than keeping your IGF at 200 instead of 100, lol. nobody makes gains during pct anyway

pct is a retarded concept anyway, also its all just anecdotal and broscience reports.

IGF doesnt really help muscle gains anyway unless you kick it up to 400+ or so imo
maybe different when on tren since tren increases IGF sensitivity in muscle cells
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: pestosterone on February 14, 2015, 02:58:02 PM
Pct=lose all your gains and waste your fucking money period waste time waste life pct works for getting natural testosterone back to normal or close faster but u will not retain muscle mass period u will slowly dwindle away sad fucking truth.
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: theworm on February 14, 2015, 06:43:39 PM
I'm not as hardcore as you guys, I still do pct.   dr scally had lab tests done so it's not all bro science.  Google scally protocol

Anyway, I still want my natural test to be present and not chemically castrate myself, so I do pct in the fall, so I lose weight over winter, but I use that time to lean up anyway, more cardio etc.  just feel like it's healthy to do so...
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: local hero on February 14, 2015, 11:26:19 PM
i never heard of that at all
might be related to the fact that you spelled it wrong tho  ;D
no idea what you mean, was it an AI ? diuretic ?

Was another anti cancer drug, so probly an ai, you did see a different look from it in short space of time, might just be an out dated uk thing
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: oni on February 15, 2015, 02:50:11 AM
because getting your testosterone back up is more important than keeping your IGF at 200 instead of 100, lol. nobody makes gains during pct anyway

pct is a retarded concept anyway, also its all just anecdotal and broscience reports.

IGF doesnt really help muscle gains anyway unless you kick it up to 400+ or so imo
maybe different when on tren since tren increases IGF sensitivity in muscle cells

Systemic IGF does not build muscle
only local
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: Jizmo on February 15, 2015, 03:48:33 AM
Systemic IGF does not build muscle
only local
i would tend to believe that systemic igf levels will correlate to local igf levels though.
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: Thong Maniac on February 15, 2015, 04:42:29 AM
Nolva is a listed as a carcinogen actually
Title: Re: Why no love for nolva?
Post by: oni on February 15, 2015, 06:50:35 PM
i would tend to believe that systemic igf levels will correlate to local igf levels though.

Not particularly
Well kinda
But not really
Best way to increase local IGF would be to get a pump in the muscle
HGH and insulin around that training window

Systemic IGF-1 will raise, but you can split up your HGH to maximally raise IGF-1 but it won't be as good as around the workout window which will raise systemic IGF less