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Title: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 05:36:51 PM
You already defeated yourself by admitting in your mind that Flex Wheeler was superior. Correct me if I'm wrong!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Hulkster on February 23, 2006, 05:39:19 PM
you are wrong: Flex did not compete in 1994!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 05:40:33 PM
I think shawn never won (even though he diserved it a couple of times) becus he looked the same each year and was not showing the judges anything new. that said he was so close to perfection he couldnt really improve that much but more often than not mr consistancy doesnt tend to win. the judges just like the fans like to be shocked!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Matt on February 23, 2006, 05:44:36 PM
because he was too short.

Exactly.  It was a simple matter of stature.  If he was even an inch taller, he's odds would have gone up considerably.  If he was 6'0 he would probably have won for a whole decade.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: candidate2025 on February 23, 2006, 05:57:46 PM
You already defeated yourself by admitting in your mind that Flex Wheeler was superior. Correct me if I'm wrong!
well flex wWAS superior.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 06:01:31 PM
well flex wWAS superior.

But mentally Shawn was stronger. Shawn had a plan and followed through with it. Flex on the other hand would always cheat and take it easy on his training. For Gods sake Flex got beat in his video by Charles Glass doing leg presses. Which I though was hilarious!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 23, 2006, 06:02:25 PM
alexxx elborate why you won't ever even compete
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 06:06:14 PM
alexxx elborate why you won't ever even compete

Well I am pretty sure i could go far, even win the mr. Olympia.. but I value my health too much and I need $pon$er$... plus I don't dable with the dark sides of this profession if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 06:08:08 PM
Well I am pretty sure i could go far, even win the mr. Olympia.. but I value my health too much and I need $pon$er$... plus I don't dable with the dark sides of this profession if you know what I mean.

And the worlds most retarded post award goes to.....................
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Ron on February 23, 2006, 06:09:09 PM
Top Five 13 years in a row - that is a record I think many would like to have!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 23, 2006, 06:09:25 PM
i know shawn was perfectly balanced and had no flaws and was always on conditioning wise, but after a while he should have, just to change things up, become the leg freak he could have been.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on February 23, 2006, 06:14:09 PM
Well I am pretty sure i could go far, even win the mr. Olympia.. but I value my health too much and I need $pon$er$... plus I don't dable with the dark sides of this profession if you know what I mean.


that makes your gain of 50lbs from your photo's even more awesome  ::)
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Stavios on February 23, 2006, 06:15:08 PM
maybe shawn didn't want to win  ???
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Drommer Stor on February 23, 2006, 06:17:52 PM
Well I am pretty sure i could go far, even win the mr. Olympia.. but I value my health too much and I need $pon$er$... plus I don't dable with the dark sides of this profession if you know what I mean.


Unsuccessful people have excuses - Successful people never have excuses
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 06:18:36 PM
Top Five 13 years in a row - that is a record I think many would like to have!
Shawn got top five 12 times in a row and that is an accomplishment in itself. But I'm pretty sure every competitor competes to become mr. Olympia and not second best. But Dorian Yates had a never say die attitude thats why he was on top all of those years.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 06:19:43 PM
Unsuccessful people have excuses - Successful people never have excuses

Hey Stor I may use this someday. thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2006, 06:21:04 PM
Unsuccessful people have excuses - Successful people never have excuses

Hell yeah!
We don't have time to make excuses. 

To quote jay-z, "I'm not a businessman - I'm a business, man."
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: analcandy on February 23, 2006, 06:27:07 PM
Hell yeah!
We don't have time to make excuses. 
To quote jay-z, "I'm not a businessman - I'm a business, man."

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Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2006, 06:27:58 PM
analcandy, it's good to see you've finally found love.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: analcandy on February 23, 2006, 06:30:36 PM
analcandy, it's good to see you've finally found love.

 :-*
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Army of One on February 23, 2006, 06:31:47 PM
HAHAHAHAHA what a beast!
(http://i1.tinypic.com/ogfdbk.gif)
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2006, 06:33:06 PM
I do look pretty good for a 30 year old workaholic who doesn't eat right.



Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 06:34:05 PM
..back to the subject..
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: analcandy on February 23, 2006, 06:34:42 PM
HAHAHAHAHA what a beast!
(http://i1.tinypic.com/ogfdbk.gif)
impressive facial expression too, what a badass, this guy is a guy in a white body.
I heard he has a gun too.
For his life insurance.
What a thug.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Army of One on February 23, 2006, 06:35:45 PM
I do look pretty good for a 30 year old workaholic who doesn't eat right.
HAHAHAHA ok "240 is Back", oh brother what a name, I heard you go to gay clubs and check out the guys, then get angry when they dont want your skinny ass hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Matt on February 23, 2006, 06:38:38 PM
Shawn definitely has one of the most impressive Olympia records ever.

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Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 07:00:09 PM
THANK YOU FOR OFFICIALLY RUINING MY THREAD
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Wombat on February 23, 2006, 07:25:38 PM
Back to the subject
Their are 3 reasons Shawn never won the olympia
1. Lee Haney
2. Dorian Yates
3. Ronnie Coleman
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Wombat on February 23, 2006, 07:29:31 PM
Well back to the thread.....I think that Shawn was just in a bind with the era in which he was competing.  One thing that I think is dumb is that people said he always looked the same.  The same could be said for many bodybuilders: Levrone, Ruhl, Dexter Jackson, etc.  I don't think he could have improved very much on physique.  His accomplishments are great in the bodybuilding world and it is a shame he doesn't have a Sandow.

Well to me its just that Shawn didn't over do it on the Slin use...Which is why i believe he was able to look so good for so long without falling into the silly trap that Dorian brought to the table and made everyone re-think their approach and paved the way to some really silly bodies that we now have even on the state level...
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 07:31:52 PM
Well back to the thread.....I think that Shawn was just in a bind with the era in which he was competing.  One thing that I think is dumb is that people said he always looked the same.  The same could be said for many bodybuilders: Levrone, Ruhl, Dexter Jackson, etc.  I don't think he could have improved very much on physique.  His accomplishments are great in the bodybuilding world and it is a shame he doesn't have a Sandow.
no i disagree ruhl improved every year until his bad showing last year dex to has improved year on year which his placings reflect as for kev he looked the same for his last few years but then again he wasnt really trying that hard and in the end his placings went down too.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 07:33:10 PM
Back to the subject
Their are 3 reasons Shawn never won the olympia
1. Lee Haney
2. Dorian Yates
3. Ronnie Coleman

good point! y didnt i think of that :(
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 07:40:23 PM
I don't want to go too far and criticize pros too much because I admire their physiques but I just think that those two, Ruhl and Dexter, among others look very much the same.  I guess you could refine my statement to the last four years dealing with them.  Their physiques are very much the same and it has caused their placings to stay the same.  Not that I would complain about looking like that consistently.

what are you smoking?? Dex=mr.symetry rulh=mr.monstocity look the same?? please elaborate how you got that..
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 07:45:00 PM
No problem bro. But I think that Dexter has made great strides in the past couple of years and is now considerate a top level threat.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 07:49:55 PM
No what I meant was that they individually have stayed the same in terms of their respective physiques and have not changed much.  Sorry for the confusion.

Remember how much better ruhls back got year on year in 2001 it was terrible by 2004 it had much more detail.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: ARMZ on February 23, 2006, 07:50:51 PM
Maybe Dex took a year off for some calf implants.  hmm
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 07:52:47 PM
Maybe Dex took a year off for some calf implants.  hmm

well it worked for flex! and they always compare those two
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Peaking at 45 !!! on February 23, 2006, 07:54:14 PM
 :-\ Yes, a bummer Shawn never won an Olympia with the outstanding physique that he had--------------arguably his physique is a more pleasing physique than those that beat him !!!
wadda ya gonna do ?
Forgid aboud id !!!!!! :-\
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: 240 is Back on February 23, 2006, 07:56:36 PM
Maybe Dex took a year off for some calf implants.  hmm

If he has an extra inch on them, then you, sir, just delivered the post of the year!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: hillbilly on February 23, 2006, 07:59:54 PM
If he has an extra inch on them, then you, sir, just delivered the post of the year!

either that or dex has been following the weider training principals!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 23, 2006, 08:01:48 PM
its not that hard to build good calfs.. considering its their job to develop everybody part to the best they can.. he could use some advice from the sexy man beast otherwise known as Alex.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: fathead on February 23, 2006, 09:15:20 PM
Haney,Yates,Coleman
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: GMCtrk on February 23, 2006, 09:33:47 PM
Shawn's back was inferior to Haney's, Yates, and Coleman's. That's all you need to know.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: MisterGX on February 24, 2006, 12:42:07 PM
Well to me its just that Shawn didn't over do it on the Slin use...Which is why i believe he was able to look so good for so long without falling into the silly trap that Dorian brought to the table and made everyone re-think their approach and paved the way to some really silly bodies that we now have even on the state level...

Agreed!!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: natural al on February 24, 2006, 01:13:50 PM
its not that hard to build good calfs.. considering its their job to develop everybody part to the best they can.. he could use some advice from the sexy man beast otherwise known as Alex.

didn't you say in another thread that you were 6"4' and that your calves were a monstorous 18"....dude you might need some advice on how to build calves yourself....considering i'm waay shorter than you and my calves are a little over 18"...and I'm natural just like you so don't use that excuse...I stand by my other statements about you in other threads...you're a pussy
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: alexxx on February 24, 2006, 01:18:28 PM
 ::) Ya you got me I'm a pussy for posting my old pics... Listen little man.. I have no problem building calfs, I am actually decreasing the weight on leg excercises cause my legs get too big! I got a nice shape to my physique and look way bigger than i really am. So if you would like advice you can pm me!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: gdavidx28 on February 24, 2006, 03:26:07 PM
Alexx, youre an idiot, think before you post!
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: gtbro1 on February 25, 2006, 06:22:17 PM
And the worlds most retarded post award goes to.....................
LMFAO
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: M75 on February 26, 2006, 12:28:17 AM
Back to the subject
Their are 3 reasons Shawn never won the olympia
1. Lee Haney
2. Dorian Yates
3. Ronnie Coleman


Exactly.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: Bodies on February 26, 2006, 01:08:08 AM
Dexter Jackson's physique SUCKS always has - always will.
Title: Re: Why Shawn Ray never won the Olympia
Post by: aliamini on February 26, 2006, 08:10:08 AM
Maybe cause shawn didn’t weigh his food … just kidding

Not presenting a new package was an issue for a lot of the bodybuilders … when u r short there isn’t much u can improve with physiques like shawn and labrada

The stripes on shawns back in a cancer pose are amazing even though he never got as lean as Dorian (in the back … that is a genetic issue … as a matter of fact no one got as lean as Dorian in the back department)

When presenting the same package to the Judges (who don’t have a criteria nor do they know what they are looking for) they don’t have anything to be amazed by … so they put you in mind but still score higher for the people who improved since last year (or last show)

Levrone didn’t always look the same he transformed his body in 97 I believe and delivers a more improved year after year until 2001 when he got injured and came back with full throttle in 2002.  Even since 92 he kept on improving not always turning out better than first time he changed but growing and trying to hit the condition.

Markus did change a lot … not always at his peak but he kept on changing year after year

Dexter he changed slowly but really made an impression to the judges … I think they realized that not rewarding the smaller guys was a mistake so it paid of in the time of Dexter.

The structure is something you cant control … so in a frame of shawn ray  you can pack certain amount of muscle and fine tune it to a certain condition (depending on your had work , dedication and most importantly genetics) … so the big guys like Haney, Yates and Coleman did have the advantage in the Shawn ray era