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ill never use: masteron, drive, winny, superdrol, dnp, eq, primo, clen and anything over a 350mg/ml concentration ever again.
got it narrowed down to: test(sust/prop), tren, deca, var(on the fence), dbol, drol, hgh, t3,ais, and slin
anyone else?
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probably wouldnt use deca again at 1.5g with tren at 1g
made me feel mega depressed.
preffer NPP anyway at 600mg
dont really like dbol.
dont really like tren E - weak sauce even at 1.2g
dont like DNP but probably would use it again
dont like clen but will definately be using it again soon.
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The only things I will ever use are
Test or Sust
Tren Ace
Deca
T3
Anavar or Anadrol
Maybe gh in the future
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I don't know how anyone can use an oral like anadrol, superdrol, or dbol and want to ever use it again. Why would anyone want to get fat on steroids? Sure it goes away when you stop but psychologically, it sucks. Only exception is if your genetics don't make you retain much water (lucky bastard)
I'm on anadrol for the first time and it's fucking horrible. Makes me look fat and bloated all the time, and I know that will go away once I stop. I only eat clean nowadays so it has nothing to do with diet in my case. I'm only sticking with it because I don't want the time I've been on it to be a waste so I might as well get all the muscle from it I can until I run out.
All I will ever need again are test and tren. Both make me feel great and give me the look I want.
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I don't know how anyone can use an oral like anadrol, superdrol, or dbol and want to ever use it again. Why would anyone want to get fat on steroids? Sure it goes away when you stop but psychologically, it sucks. Only exception is if your genetics don't make you retain much water (lucky bastard)
I'm on anadrol for the first time and it's fucking horrible. Makes me look fat and bloated all the time, and I know that will go away once I stop. I only eat clean nowadays so it has nothing to do with diet in my case. I'm only sticking with it because I don't want the time I've been on it to be a waste so I might as well get all the muscle from it I can until I run out.
All I will ever need again are test and tren. Both make me feel great and give me the look I want.
oh yeah dbol and drol bloat the shit out of me. and yes I don't look as good on either. but I believe the strength increase and pump results in more real muscle being built in the end. providing you've got a good stack to back up the oral.
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oh yeah dbol and drol bloat the shit out of me. and yes I don't look as good on either. but I believe the strength increase and pump results in more real muscle being built in the end. providing you've got a good stack to back up the oral.
This is true and that's what I keep telling myself. Less than two weeks before I can end this anadrol nonsense. Can't wait!
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I don't know how anyone can use an oral like anadrol, superdrol, or dbol and want to ever use it again. Why would anyone want to get fat on steroids? Sure it goes away when you stop but psychologically, it sucks. Only exception is if your genetics don't make you retain much water (lucky bastard)
I'm on anadrol for the first time and it's fucking horrible. Makes me look fat and bloated all the time, and I know that will go away once I stop. I only eat clean nowadays so it has nothing to do with diet in my case. I'm only sticking with it because I don't want the time I've been on it to be a waste so I might as well get all the muscle from it I can until I run out.
All I will ever need again are test and tren. Both make me feel great and give me the look I want.
I've never tried anadrol personally but the only reason I wanted to try it was because I know a lot of people that had good results. The only oral I would actually want to do is Anavar. Dbol is out of the question for me because I know I'll end up getting bad gyno and break out everywhere its almost like a pill of side effects for me so I will never try it
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Igf1 lr.... Waste of money..
Basically all I'll do now are moderate doses of test e/ sus with decca.... Or prop and tren ace, if I can afford it a few ius of gh
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Wintrol. Feel like shit on it.
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This is true and that's what I keep telling myself. Less than two weeks before I can end this anadrol nonsense. Can't wait!
Just stop taking it now. No reason to use it if you don't like it.
Anadrol makes me super bloated, but if i'm 10% BF or less i think it makes me look pretty swole in a good way. I don't seem to suffer with extreme bloat like most people do, i can take a ton of Test/Deca/Dbol and still look pretty jacked with veins everywhere.
I'll probably never use Halo again, it makes me very irritable and always on edge. DNP never used and never will. Clen makes me have high anxiety and the shakes. Tren gets my BP all jacked up these days, i haven't used it in a while but i really like the results.
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Superdrol I will not use unless I get my nipple glands cut out its the only thing that ever fucked with me EQ too much goddamn oil for little bit it does. Right now at 750 test e 600deca 3-400npp and still gonna run dbol at 60 couple more weeks my diet is tight and doing shit ton of cardio and busting my ass staying lean and gaining weight plus strength going well.so far 2nd week on deca and npp
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I've been feeling really lethargic and don't want to do anything or leave the house or see anyone or talk to anyone. Was running 750mg test 600mg deca 900mg eq 50dbol felt fine but since last week upped it to something around 2g+ test e 1.5g+ deca 700mg test prop 900mg eq 50mg dbol and feel weird don't want to do anything just lay around the house... Past 3 days off of work only thing I'll leave the house for is to eat or train almost as if feeling depressed. Damn anyone know what's going on? Maybe not even dose related but what the hell
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What's the issue with Masterone? Mast and Tren is like Ketchup and mustard.
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I try to stay away from orals completely. They're liver toxic and only make you look good for a short period of time because all the size gains are temporary. Not worth it IMO.
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Wintrol. Feel like shit on it.
I feel the same. I have unlimited access to pharmaceutical winstrol and never will use more shit. makes me feel terrible.
never will use more or clenbuterol and anadrol too.
I generally do not tolerate well the SERMs, but never ever will use nolvadex what makes me feel very bad: general feeling shitty, nosebleeds, eye bleeding, and also fever ...
I love testosterone, dianabol, nandrolone and especially Primobolan.
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What's the issue with Masterone? Mast and Tren is like Ketchup and mustard.
just makes my prostate swell up. great drug to keep dry imo. family history of prostate issues also.
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I try to stay away from orals completely. They're liver toxic and only make you look good for a short period of time because all the size gains are temporary. Not worth it IMO.
Totally agree.
I might use some blackstone shit before the beach but thats it
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"gains from orals are temporary" what a bunch of bullshit
sdrol m1t or methyltren put more muscle on you in 4 weeks than grams upon grams of test will.
everytime i run dnp i tell myself im not gonna run it again but a couple months after i always come back lol
wont ever use test prop again, waste of PIP
EQ probably neither, gave me wicked blood pressure
dbol sucks, bloat and itching nips
any other orals but sdrol mtren and m1t are a waste of liver health lol... might run anavar again
never tried winstrol, probably never will. maybe once to see what it does look wise.
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I've been feeling really lethargic and don't want to do anything or leave the house or see anyone or talk to anyone. Was running 750mg test 600mg deca 900mg eq 50dbol felt fine but since last week upped it to something around 2g+ test e 1.5g+ deca 700mg test prop 900mg eq 50mg dbol and feel weird don't want to do anything just lay around the house... Past 3 days off of work only thing I'll leave the house for is to eat or train almost as if feeling depressed. Damn anyone know what's going on? Maybe not even dose related but what the hell
Are you running a Ai or some Caber? Try to run some blood work. If not I would suggest donating a pint of blood when running Eq.
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"gains from orals are temporary" what a bunch of bullshit
sdrol m1t or methyltren put more muscle on you in 4 weeks than grams upon grams of test will.
everytime i run dnp i tell myself im not gonna run it again but a couple months after i always come back lol
wont ever use test prop again, waste of PIP
EQ probably neither, gave me wicked blood pressure
dbol sucks, bloat and itching nips
any other orals but sdrol mtren and m1t are a waste of liver health lol... might run anavar again
never tried winstrol, probably never will. maybe once to see what it does look wise.
I've talked to a lot of people that took some superdrol at my gym and others I know do not get as good effects from superdrol as I do. Idk if their diet is that bad off or just don't respond to it. Even one guy I gave him my last half bottle of beastdrol for his powerlifting comp to add to whateverhere was taking and he didn't change at all but I did spot him squat 5 plates 5 reps ass to grass the next week I gave it to him lol his weight did. It go up though and he pretty much stay at 230ish but he actually does a pct and waits fucking like 12 weeks and the starts running 250mgs enanthate eod for his big bbing comp 16weeks out to compete around 210lbs he sais blew the fuck up to almost 250lbs lol in 7 weeks no ai either then Comes off been off few weeks he's 7 weeks out and looks tiny compared to how he should look is 228 and sais he is 9% but he looks more like 15 in a tank top to me and sais he running prop w mast to come in at 210lbs for 6 weeks . Sorry for the rant but I thought it was funny how he's planning stuff.
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I will never ever use test prop again. The pain/test flu is just unbearable to me.
EQ im still debating, i like the veins the steady gains, appetite etc... But the sides arent really worth it for what it does. I find running tbol with it makes the anxiety sides completly vanish.
Things I dont want to use without having tried it : Dbol/anadrol (gyno/acne); DNP; anything water based (pip); winstrol (joint pain); any stupidly high concentrated stuff (pip)
not sure about deca/tren/npp never ran a 19-nor before, but definitly want to try :)
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anadrol is awsome when your low BF it blows u up from within the muscle, you shouldnt look fat on anadrol
i like winny, helps with prog gyno. strength hardness i rate it.
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Tren.
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Any oral, plus Anavar. I jut don't trust Anavar is really anavar. The raws are super expensive and when dealers are selling it for the same price as dbol then chances are its just dbol.
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I try to stay away from orals completely. They're liver toxic and only make you look good for a short period of time because all the size gains are temporary. Not worth it IMO.
They aren't temporary. The water gained is, but not the muscle they build during that time span. The key is to not use orals for just 4 weeks like the fools say. They should be used at least 6-8 weeks so they have time in your body to grow muscle.
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anadrol is awsome when your low BF it blows u up from within the muscle, you shouldnt look fat on anadrol
This is really individual. I lost 40lbs after surgery so I basically had to start all over again, but I had low bodyfat thanks to dieting and cardio. I figured it would be a good time to try out anadrol (along with test p and tren a - my bread & butter stack). Well I regained 30lbs in 4 weeks, look huge again with great arm veins, but also acquired a pregnant belly. I am confident it will go away as soon as I drop the anadrol, as I am eating very clean. Aromasin doesn't do shit for bloating for me.
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. Aromasin doesn't do shit for ANADROL bloating for me anyone.
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anadrol interacts directly with the estrogen receptor, no amount of AI is gonna change that
SERMs could help though
also your bloat is not necessarily related to anadrol id say... maybe youre just not used to eating as much after your layoff?
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anadrol interacts directly with the estrogen receptor, no amount of AI is gonna change that
SERMs could help though
also your bloat is not necessarily related to anadrol id say... maybe youre just not used to eating as much after your layoff?
I should have said aromasin does't do shit for bloating on anything. I know anadrol doesn't convert to estrogen, it only can potentially give estrogen related sides.
I think it's related. I've never been this bloated before and it's the cleanest I've ever eaten. Once I drop it, I'll be on high test, gh, and slin, so I can compare the difference. Probably will only be a small difference if anything. 3rd phase of my blast is high tren, low test, gh (this will be the fun part)
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now that you mention the clean eating thing
maybe eating too clean doesnt work that well for you, could be an option too.
i know some guys who feel bloated and lethargic when they eat veggies with every meal for example
some people just need the junk food somehow and function better on it
some "clean" carb sources work great too, like white rice
you could try subbing all your carbs for white rice for 3-4 days and see how that treats you
or just wait until you drop the anadrol, maybe thats the culprit as you suspected, who knows ;D
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now that you mention the clean eating thing
maybe eating too clean doesnt work that well for you, could be an option too.
i know some guys who feel bloated and lethargic when they eat veggies with every meal for example
some people just need the junk food somehow and function better on it
some "clean" carb sources work great too, like white rice
you could try subbing all your carbs for white rice for 3-4 days and see how that treats you
or just wait until you drop the anadrol, maybe thats the culprit as you suspected, who knows ;D
I have thyroid issues and if I don't salt that bitch up I get all kinds of water retension
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now that you mention the clean eating thing
maybe eating too clean doesnt work that well for you, could be an option too.
i know some guys who feel bloated and lethargic when they eat veggies with every meal for example
some people just need the junk food somehow and function better on it
some "clean" carb sources work great too, like white rice
you could try subbing all your carbs for white rice for 3-4 days and see how that treats you
or just wait until you drop the anadrol, maybe thats the culprit as you suspected, who knows ;D
I've thought about switching to white carbs like that but I have had cheat meals and bloated like crazy. I only have 11 days left of anadrol though so I just gotta ride it out. I wanna use up all my tabs and my vial of the injectable drol I am also using alongside.
Also, I bloat really easily anyway, it sucks. I need to stick with my 3-phase plan though. Can't just pull the plug because of this. This is my last big blast ever, as I just want to be healthy on TRT the rest of my life (with the odd tren blast once in a blue moon)
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I have thyroid issues and if I don't salt that bitch up I get all kinds of water retension
ive always had bad thyroid issues on tren
to the point that i would look 8 months preggo after eating a plate of veggies... even after DRINKING WATER
and was so lethargic from the stomach bloat that i wouldnt even move the next hour after every meal
at some point i added t3
and never went off that stuff
its a godsend and cleared up every tren issue for me. need less sleep, never tired, never any indigestion issues or bloat
just a replacement dosage is enough basically but im a t3 proponent so i run 50-60mcg even on bulks
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jizmo after talking to you about t3 on tren
im on 50mcg now while cutting
feel less tired, sleep better,
my nips are also alot less puffy, but that could be the winny im running aswell.
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mazfit, i red that T3 can decrease prolatcin levels so maybe it can cause less puffy nipples too :)
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ive always had bad thyroid issues on tren
to the point that i would look 8 months preggo after eating a plate of veggies... even after DRINKING WATER
and was so lethargic from the stomach bloat that i wouldnt even move the next hour after every meal
at some point i added t3
and never went off that stuff
its a godsend and cleared up every tren issue for me. need less sleep, never tired, never any indigestion issues or bloat
just a replacement dosage is enough basically but im a t3 proponent so i run 50-60mcg even on bulks
I have literally ALL those problems in your first paragraph right now. Maybe I should add T3?? Can't get bloodwork without a doctor prescription in my state so I can't check T3 levels right now.
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many people seem to have this problem
ive seen it countless times on forums
nofuckingbody knows its the effect of tren on t3 though
yeah and low t3 can also cause gyno because it increases prolactin
my buddy for example has been on tren for like a year nonstop, hes constantly yawning, tired and bloated even tho he sleeps fucking 12 hours a day
but the guy just doesnt listen
he thinks t3 is gonna eat all your muscle lol
i think t3 is even synergistic the more gear you blast and with slin. t3 and GH are NOT synergistic though, there are studies on t3 killing off the positive nitrogen balance that GH creates, so keep that in mind
if i ran GH id rather run t4
maz you can also run that dosage while bulking... you just go flatter a bit faster so keep carbs high... but its impossible to go flat with slin anyway so no problems here...
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Next thing which can cause water retention, bloat and lethargy while on Tren is eating too little calories. You know, Tren up metabolism rate very well. If You add T3 and other drugs in higher doses ( even only Test which increase matabolism rate very well too ), train hard and often, do cardio and eat not enough calories to recover, Your body can hold a lot of water.
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T3 over 50mcg/d - makes me feel like shit, weak, hungry
DNP over ~350-400mg/d - unless I'm locked in a walk in freezer for 2 weeks straight... sweaty mess, brutal cravings, lethargy 24/7,
DBol - don't seem to respond to it at all, I had stuff from 6 or so different labs, all "trusted", went as high as 100mg/d and never seemed to get any results
Deca - only gains I made were on my face, even on a tight diet... of course I had to get pictures for a new passport taken while on moonface mountain. Oh well, it'll expire eventually
T-Bol - no matter what you wanna do with it, I feel like there's a better alternative
Guess that's it. Of course there's also a long list of stuff that was pretty meh, but that I will probably use again here and there as seen fit
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T3 is awesome I'll never use tren or anything other than test alone without it
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Deca - only gains I made were on my face, even on a tight diet... of course I had to get pictures for a new passport taken while on moonface mountain. Oh well, it'll expire eventually
hahaha oh lawd
i had my ID pic taken last year after like the biggest cheat day i had ever done
it was near the final weeks of my cut and i was no higher than 8 or 9% bodyfat but i literally look like 300lbs in the face there
i think i ate 8000 calories or so and probably 30g of salt the day before
ive already tricked some girls into believing me that ive lost 100lbs during the last year ;D ;D
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many people seem to have this problem
ive seen it countless times on forums
nofuckingbody knows its the effect of tren on t3 though
yeah and low t3 can also cause gyno because it increases prolactin
my buddy for example has been on tren for like a year nonstop, hes constantly yawning, tired and bloated even tho he sleeps fucking 12 hours a day
but the guy just doesnt listen
he thinks t3 is gonna eat all your muscle lol
i think t3 is even synergistic the more gear you blast and with slin. t3 and GH are NOT synergistic though, there are studies on t3 killing off the positive nitrogen balance that GH creates, so keep that in mind
if i ran GH id rather run t4
maz you can also run that dosage while bulking... you just go flatter a bit faster so keep carbs high... but its impossible to go flat with slin anyway so no problems here...
Great post, didn't know about that
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many people seem to have this problem
ive seen it countless times on forums
nofuckingbody knows its the effect of tren on t3 though
yeah and low t3 can also cause gyno because it increases prolactin
my buddy for example has been on tren for like a year nonstop, hes constantly yawning, tired and bloated even tho he sleeps fucking 12 hours a day
but the guy just doesnt listen
he thinks t3 is gonna eat all your muscle lol
i think t3 is even synergistic the more gear you blast and with slin. t3 and GH are NOT synergistic though, there are studies on t3 killing off the positive nitrogen balance that GH creates, so keep that in mind
if i ran GH id rather run t4
maz you can also run that dosage while bulking... you just go flatter a bit faster so keep carbs high... but its impossible to go flat with slin anyway so no problems here...
Great post, i agree with everything.
I used to run 50mcg of T4 with my GH.
Don't use Tren anymore, but i'm a huge fan of low dose T3 on cycle.
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Clen - too much anxiety
Anadrol- great fullness but killed my appetite and was taking 6 diarrheas a day, JUST FELT LIKE SHIT
Dianabol- yes it's true believe In the non responder! Even with BD pinks, just made me sick
Eq- not useless but close to it, good veins that's it, also too much anxiety at 900+
Anything high concentration
Always run caber and t3/t4 with tren to keep the dick working and the gh gut down
I always use tren as a cutter but end up gaining muscle even on restricted diet so next bulk will be my first one with tren so hopefully the awful anxiety will be better since I'll be able to enjoy my meals
Var is the best oral hands down. Tbol coming in second except I was losing my hair on it so no more
Test/deca/eq/var or test/deca/tren/var from here on out
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M1T - although this was before my introduction of test, the nausea, lethargy, and general malaise hit me like a ton of bricks after a few days and made eating impossible let alone training. Just way too toxic even at 15 mg's. Even M1A which was a precursor had me randomly puking throughout the day.
Superdrol on the other hand I've gone up to 40 mg's before with no noticeable sides. Obviously it did a number on my bloodwork but I didn't notice anything like with M1t. Not that 40 mg was needed. 20 mg is plenty for me nowadays.
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wouldnt use again
Deca messed with my libido to much
test prop injection cites hurt to much
test cyp to much bloating
anadrol way to much bloating
eq pointless for me
will use again
anavar
test e
tren
methyl tren
halo
winstrol
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I'll use anything.
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M1T - although this was before my introduction of test, the nausea, lethargy, and general malaise hit me like a ton of bricks after a few days and made eating impossible let alone training. Just way too toxic even at 15 mg's. Even M1A which was a precursor had me randomly puking throughout the day.
Superdrol on the other hand I've gone up to 40 mg's before with no noticeable sides. Obviously it did a number on my bloodwork but I didn't notice anything like with M1t. Not that 40 mg was needed. 20 mg is plenty for me nowadays.
damn, m1t and superdrol feel very similar to me
ive used up to 40mg m1t and i dont even know lol, probably 60-70mg sdrol a day
cant tolerate either for more than 3 weeks, then i start to feel toxic
sdrol adds a TON of strength though, EVERY time. also water, but damn, i always hit PRs when i add in sdrol to test/tren
ive recently decided to stay on a periodized program while bulking, 3 weeks on low reps max strength, 3 weeks on hypertrophy, then 1-2 weeks high reps and deload and repeat... ill probably always use m1t or sdrol when im in the max strength cycle...
the shit is insane in high dosages... i can add either 2 reps or 10-15lbs on my 3-5 rep max lifts every single session when on 50mg+ of the stuff. without an increase of calories... (of course theres a good amount of test/tren or npp involved too :)
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M1T is some insane shit. I think the stuff they sold legal was stronger then the UGL stuff. some guys can;t stand M1T for 3-5 days it's so strong. I took it back when we sold it legally at the supp shop and it was gaspari brand and I almost gained 20 lbs and it wasn;t bad not much water reminds me of methyl-Tren maybe stronger.
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This is really individual. I lost 40lbs after surgery so I basically had to start all over again, but I had low bodyfat thanks to dieting and cardio. I figured it would be a good time to try out anadrol (along with test p and tren a - my bread & butter stack). Well I regained 30lbs in 4 weeks, look huge again with great arm veins, but also acquired a pregnant belly. I am confident it will go away as soon as I drop the anadrol, as I am eating very clean. Aromasin doesn't do shit for bloating for me.
I got crazy arm veins somebody who has a pic post them.I don;t have a USB cord I texted them to a few of you guys I don;t care post them.
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M1T is some insane shit. I think the stuff they sold legal was stronger then the UGL stuff. some guys can;t stand M1T for 3-5 days it's so strong. I took it back when we sold it legally at the supp shop and it was gaspari brand and I almost gained 20 lbs and it wasn;t bad not much water reminds me of methyl-Tren maybe stronger.
I took real M1T years ago before it was banned.
It was very potent. Made me edgy and a little aggressive.
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NPP sucks , dbol makes my chest and nips puffy and hurt. Drol only when low BF% for strength and hardening. EQ I'm in the fence with , thickens my blood too much , causes the areas I've pumped to get super hot and red
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Give me Anavar along with a mild dose of test and I'll chuck everything else.
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NPP sucks , dbol makes my chest and nips puffy and hurt. Drol only when low BF% for strength and hardening. EQ I'm in the fence with , thickens my blood too much , causes the areas I've pumped to get super hot and red
why u dislike NPP?
youre actually the first one i ever hear saying that
NPP is probably my favorite after tren... completely side free and "feels" stronger than test..
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I say dnp everytime but I'm on my 3rd run now
It's just so Fuking effective
Not a fan of deca prefer NPP
Not a fan of dbol prefer drol or superdrol
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why u dislike NPP?
youre actually the first one i ever hear saying that
NPP is probably my favorite after tren... completely side free and "feels" stronger than test..
I actually think nandrolone use can be dangerous. I say
This because it gives your joints that soft lubricated feeling. Once you have that you might end up attempting
Things like heavier lifts or looser form that might result in injury
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I actually think nandrolone use can be dangerous. I say
This because it gives your joints that soft lubricated feeling. Once you have that you might end up attempting
Things like heavier lifts or looser form that might result in injury
well this holds true for anything that makes you significantly stronger though... of course NPP/deca has the additional joint lubrification benefits, but i think we all should know our bodies kinda well enough... and unlike winstrol for example NPP doesnt actually weakens tendons or whatever... even the opposite, it strengthens connective tissue (but high test negates that effect, there are studies on that)
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The studies on nandrolone that show collagen synthesis are in post menopausal women
ANYTHING that increases general anabolism will increase collagen synthesis in them
Of course, this doesn't mean it's wrong either
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Won't use deca (worst fat face ever even without test) ever again or dbol just because prefer other orals over it.
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why u dislike NPP?
youre actually the first one i ever hear saying that
NPP is probably my favorite after tren... completely side free and "feels" stronger than test..
bad reaction to it
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Won't use deca (worst fat face ever even without test) ever again or dbol just because prefer other orals over it.
I keep telling myself this all the time, but when fall/winter rolls around I'm always back on deca haha. Its cheap and effective at "fixing up" all the damage being lean and dry did over the summer (joint-wise at the very least).
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I don't know how anyone can use an oral like anadrol, superdrol, or dbol and want to ever use it again. Why would anyone want to get fat on steroids? Sure it goes away when you stop but psychologically, it sucks. Only exception is if your genetics don't make you retain much water (lucky bastard)
I'm on anadrol for the first time and it's fucking horrible. Makes me look fat and bloated all the time, and I know that will go away once I stop. I only eat clean nowadays so it has nothing to do with diet in my case. I'm only sticking with it because I don't want the time I've been on it to be a waste so I might as well get all the muscle from it I can until I run out.
All I will ever need again are test and tren. Both make me feel great and give me the look I want.
I would say that anadrol results have alot to do with genetics response to it...Even when i'm not too lean (11-12%bf) drol makes my lines go away but makes me look extremely full and big..holds alot of water in abdominal region but nothing too bad..Liek i said lines are a little blurred but you can tell abs are stil in tact...It's all about where you store the water on anadrol, where you store fat in general, and conjunction of the two mixed together while on other hormones...It can either give you a bad look..Or a really good one..Guys with the really good look can start to use it while on a cut and it helps them tremendously..TBH i don't think any gains whatsoever are kept on anadrol..Doesn't increase nitrogen retention or IGF1 or cause cell hyperplasia..of give many muscle cell benefits that other orals give..Just tons of water..Really crappy compound imo