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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dragevo on April 21, 2015, 10:00:33 AM
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Hello all,
There's a lack of good logs with dnp and other variables that come into play on the forums. So Im gonna set up this log below and I will leave no information out. So here's what this client of mine will be doing and some background info:
-32yo female womens physique competitor (no name or other info)
-currently in prep for an national level (pro qualifier) show in the states
-I've been working with this competitor for 3 years and this will be her first run with dnp
-typical competes with my calipers at 8.3%-8.6% BF. We are gonna attempt for 7's
-currently sitting at 10-11%
-131-132lbs AM dry
-she will run clen directly up to the start of dnp, so we will see how effective dnp is despite her 2 weeks off clen.
Current supplements:
T3 35mcg a day
clen starts at 20mcg and works up to 60-80mcg(started today)
anavar 10mg in the AM
Tbol 10mg to start in 1 week
Starting nolva this week at 20mg a day
Diet will be on point as it is. I will actually be adding 25-30% increase in carbs when she starts the dnp. Im not interested in sharing the safety measures we are taking at the time. The starting dose will be 250mg a day with the goal of 10days, which may change as well as dose after 1 week. I don't give out my diet or ending contest prep drug regimen for free online. I will post up pics at the end of the clen/day before dnp. Here's what I will cover: starting weight and BF%, pics and any changes or hiccups inbetween. I will conclude with the same stats after 1 week off the dnp for water retention purposes. Anything I forgot to add or you want to see PM me. Also PM me with any questions. Ill post pics soon
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Not my drug of choice, lol, but always up for a good read.
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will be interesting to see how that works out on a high caliber (even if female) physique.
plenty of noobs running the stuff with retarded diets, bodyfat levels etc
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lowest effective dose I presume, I would feel cautious about putting a client on dnp.
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Jizmo
Im with you...people are running it and they're like....I was 20% BF now Im 14%.......Thats easily corrected with diet alone.
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lowest effective dose I presume, I would feel cautious about putting a client on dnp.
Absolutely. Im really not interested in finding the optimal, high end of dosing with her, with the LD10 being so close to the effective dose. More so keep it very conservative. I wouldn't do this with anyone. Has to be someone I work closely with and who I know is in tune with reality.
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Why does she need DNP? Just to see how it works?
No need for it, but if she's hellbent on using it make sure she stays hydrated and eats well.
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Absolutely. Im really not interested in finding the optimal, high end of dosing with her, with the LD10 being so close to the effective dose. More so keep it very conservative. I wouldn't do this with anyone. Has to be someone I work closely with and who I know is in tune with reality.
Hate to be that guy...
LD10? Where did you find the LD 10 of DNP? I could only find the LD 50 at 30 mg/kg for rats (4.8 mg/kg/d converted to HED so less than 288 mg for you client if she weighs about 60 kgs) but more to the point, the NOAEL in rats is 10mg/kg/d. If you convert it to HED, it's 1,6 mg/kg/d... so 96 mg for her) That is the only useful info regarding toxicity of DNP as there are no human studies on it ever since the 1930. So "therapeutic doses" are experimental at best and are actually higher than the NOAEL (no observed adverse effect level)... What you really are doing, suppose she weighs 60 kgs, giving her 250 mg a day would be very very close to the LD50 and three times the NOAEL yet probably still below the therapeutic dose...
https://www.lewisu.edu/academics/biology/pdf/2_4_%20DNP.pdf
By comparison, the LD50 for Trenbolone is 5000 mg/kg in the rat....
DNP is poison. It basically fucks up the production of energy in the mitochondria in every cell of your body and releasing it in the form of heat!!! That is not a good idea for long term health at all, as longevity is usually associated with an efficient ATP system, both producing energy and evacuating the by-products of that combustion (anti oxydants such ash NADH). Mitochondria are key factors to signal apotosis and fucking up with that is basically an open invite for cancer. Who knows what the consequence of even a few days of insufficient energy production could be? Cataracts, damage to vital organs etc... All reported in the litterature.
It's her body but getting the facts straight is important...
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13181-011-0162-6
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18461559
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is it crystalline DNP?
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I personally found DNP less effective the leaner I got but just as uncomfortable
And nothing starvation + tren can't do just as fast
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On I.....
I'm thinking she's leaner than we initially thought and I doubt running the dnp is going to be as effective as it is with the 20% bf peeps who run it. I'm gonna see where she's at after the Clen run and decide. She may be close enough an she still had 10 weeks left today. 4lbs off stage weight last year.
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Look post pics bro
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pics day 1
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more pics
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Day 1 pics are yesterday (5/2)
Weight 131lbs
5ft
BF% 10.59%
waist 28 inch
The evening before she had what may be one of her last cheats. Weight before this was 127.8-129lbs. I also had her measure her fluid intake the day before the start (1.1 gallons).
She drank 2 gallons total plus 12oz V8 before bed on Day 1.
temp max 100.3 oral
had her check it every 2 hours as well as anytime she felt febrile. The majority of the day her temps were 99.1-99.6 degrees.
Other supplements:
taurine 500mg a day
Calcium 1500mg
Mag 750mg
zinc 45mg
womens multi
vitamin C 1000mg
1 bottle of 32oz poweraide zero a day
12oz V8 before bed
Motrin on standby
20mg nolva a day
10mg anavar a day
10mg of turinabol a day
letrozole 1.25mg EOD
Carbs up by 33% until we see how she reacts in a few days.
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so she is on DNP now huh?
looks good, still pretty feminine... but is she bloated or where are her abs? or just a weak point?
otherwise good physique.
i dont think any of these amounts of supps/v8 etc are needed. just some vitamin C and E and a multi would do the trick.
but well, DNP in females is of course a bit more dangerous regarding the cataract thing...
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Bloated....weight is up 3lbs due to a cheat meal and added water the day before. Bloating isn't a problem once off the dnp for sure.
As far as the reasoning for the V8 and added minerals. Its to counteract any losses from sweating. May be overkill but Id rather her not lose too many electrolytes.
Women's Physique should be feminine. She will surely harden up the last 4 weeks. This log is for dnp fatloss in a fairly lean competitor, to see if there is an advantage that is worth the sides
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is it crystalline DNP?
Yes crystalline dnp
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She's already in good shape.
Shouldn't take long.
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Day 2 (5/3)
Weight 131.1 lbs
no noticeable sides other than being really hot, and constantly sweating.
temp 98.6-99.4
didn't train due to busy family day
Day 3 (5/4)
weight 129.0
temp range 97.7-100.1 throughout the day
woke up in a pool of sweat, hair was wet, had a slight headache and was really thirsty. Headache subsided after 2 shaker cups of water (about 48oz)
felt some nausea and shortness of breath
trained legs, and felt like there was no energy to push hard
finished with a 15 minute fast-paced walk.
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Day 4 (250mg)
129.4lbs still somewhat bloated in abdomen. She feels arms look tighter. she measured waist at 27.5 today.
98.7-99.3 degrees.
Nausea and a bit more tired
continuing to feel hot all day and night
hit the gym a bit harder just kept breaks longer in between sets
continuing the same hydration regimen
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Day 5 250mg
temp max 100.1
waist 27 in AM
weight 129.2lbs
same sides: hot, sweats, mild lethargy, and mild nausea
trained back
-legs appear puffy and after meals, she states bloating throughout the day
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Day 5 250mg
temp max 100.1
waist 27 in AM
weight 129.2lbs
same sides: hot, sweats, mild lethargy, and mild nausea
trained back
-legs appear puffy and after meals, she states bloating throughout the day
So major health risks for a 2 lbs loss... Probably water. Her puffy legs is sign her kidneys and lymphs can't detox her cells... She won't be able to process food as her body is overloaded trying to clean the dead cells all over her organs. Wow what a shitty poison...
Goodrum level of retardness right here...
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How long are you running the DNP?
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So major health risks for a 2 lbs loss... Probably water. Her puffy legs is sign her kidneys and lymphs can't detox her cells... She won't be able to process food as her body is overloaded trying to clean the dead cells all over her organs. Wow what a shitty poison...
Goodrum level of retardness right here...
go to a my little pony forum pls
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go to a my little pony forum pls
Hey, don't Mock the Bronies.
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go to a my little pony forum pls
Lol
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How long are you running the DNP?
10 days
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Day 6 of 250mg
No changes. She missed a weight this morning
Will get one tomorrow
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Day 7 (375mg)
Temps 97.5-99.3
128.4lbs
Sides seeming more tolerable
Nothing exciting to report
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Day 8 (375mg)
Same sides as previous. 99.1 was temp max
129.2lbs
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Day 9 (375mg)
temp max 99.3
129.2lbs
waist 27.25
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2 lbs lol...i lost 6 lbs in a week just on gear.
So stupid. most of that weight was proabally water like mine was. Youre a dumb ass
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2 lbs lol...i lost 6 lbs in a week just on gear.
So stupid. most of that weight was proabally water like mine was. Youre a dumb ass
you dont know shit
you dont lose weight while ON dnp unless you let yourself dehydrate OR run it for long periods
the body stores a ton of water to fight overheating on dnp
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To call someone a dumb*** when you don't understand the basics of what your talking about...... This is why I generally don't post. You think anabolics cause weightloss?
Day 10 we ended the dnp today. We will see how much benefit it had over conventional prep in a few days as the water comes off. Then recheck bf% and re-do pics.
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To call someone a dumb*** when you don't understand the basics of what your talking about...... This is why I generally don't post. You think anabolics cause weightloss?
Day 10 we ended the dnp today. We will see how much benefit it had over conventional prep in a few days as the water comes off. Then recheck bf% and re-do pics.
No, disregarding every fucking scientific article EVER on DNP that basically said it is a plain and simple poison while giving a client more than the NOAEL for ten days is retarded. Using it yourself is something, giving it to a client is another animal.
Besides, you don't understand the basics at all, no one refers to the LD10 as you did in your first post. No one who understands anything about biochemistry would ever refer to the LD10. LD10 doesn't tell you squat as simple longevity difference between rodents could explain a 10% mortality rate... Basic statisticial analysis..
Hope your client gets accustomed to her blurred vision.... I really do hope she'll connect the dots when she starts seeing halos over everything at 40... Oh wait, she won't see the dots...
Back to my little Ponies ;D
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No, disregarding every fucking scientific article EVER on DNP that basically said it is a plain and simple poison while giving a client more than the NOAEL for ten days is retarded. Using it yourself is something, giving it to a client is another animal.
Besides, you don't understand the basics at all, no one refers to the LD10 as you did in your first post. No one who understands anything about biochemistry would ever refer to the LD10. LD10 doesn't tell you squat as simple longevity difference between rodents could explain a 10% mortality rate... Basic statisticial analysis..
Hope your client gets accustomed to her blurred vision.... I really do hope she'll connect the dots when she starts seeing halos over everything at 40... Oh wait, she won't see the dots...
Back to my little Ponies ;D
lold at the last part BUT
pretty much EVERY SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE on dnp states that its actually of great use, for diabetes, obesity and it even increases your bodys antioxidant potential and energy (atp) production in the long run.
EVERY GOSSIP MAGAZINE ARTICLE on the other hand states dnp is sooo dangerous and sooo many people (=retards) died from it.
you probably never even bothered to read any scientific study on dnp ::)
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Hate to be that guy...
LD10? Where did you find the LD 10 of DNP? I could only find the LD 50 at 30 mg/kg for rats (4.8 mg/kg/d converted to HED so less than 288 mg for you client if she weighs about 60 kgs) but more to the point, the NOAEL in rats is 10mg/kg/d. If you convert it to HED, it's 1,6 mg/kg/d... so 96 mg for her) That is the only useful info regarding toxicity of DNP as there are no human studies on it ever since the 1930. So "therapeutic doses" are experimental at best and are actually higher than the NOAEL (no observed adverse effect level)... What you really are doing, suppose she weighs 60 kgs, giving her 250 mg a day would be very very close to the LD50 and three times the NOAEL yet probably still below the therapeutic dose...
https://www.lewisu.edu/academics/biology/pdf/2_4_%20DNP.pdf
By comparison, the LD50 for Trenbolone is 5000 mg/kg in the rat....
DNP is poison. It basically fucks up the production of energy in the mitochondria in every cell of your body and releasing it in the form of heat!!! That is not a good idea for long term health at all, as longevity is usually associated with an efficient ATP system, both producing energy and evacuating the by-products of that combustion (anti oxydants such ash NADH). Mitochondria are key factors to signal apotosis and fucking up with that is basically an open invite for cancer. Who knows what the consequence of even a few days of insufficient energy production could be? Cataracts, damage to vital organs etc... All reported in the litterature.
It's her body but getting the facts straight is important...
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13181-011-0162-6
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18461559
@jizmo: Epic quoting myself but yeah, I did read pretty much every science papers on DNP and on proton uncoupling during the Krebbs cycle, and unlike you my surpringsingly lazy german friend, I bothered quoting them in my very first post....
No human studies on DNP has been made ever since the 1930's so your claims are rather outrageous my purpled hued compadre, plus a doctor has been sued for giving dnp to his clients in the 1980's. Food for thoughts.
;D
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every single danger of DNP is related to overdose.
unless the cataract thing in females, but i strongly believe this is due to non sufficient antioxidant supplementation.
if you are not capable of dosing DNP or insulin correctly, then its poison, yes. i give you that.
with adequate supplementation and precautions and correct dosing its a great weight loss tool. just like insulin is a great weight gain tool or trenbolone is a great tool for everything ;D :D the dosage makes the poison.
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every single danger of DNP is related to overdose.
unless the cataract thing in females, but i strongly believe this is due to non sufficient antioxidant supplementation.
if you are not capable of dosing DNP or insulin correctly, then its poison, yes. i give you that.
with adequate supplementation and precautions and correct dosing its a great weight loss tool. just like insulin is a great weight gain tool or trenbolone is a great tool for everything ;D :D the dosage makes the poison.
I usually tend to agree with you but not for DNP. It is classified as a poison, not a drug.
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~bioslabs/studies/mitochondria/mitopoisons.html
There actually is a great article that pretty much sums the available research on dnp in here:
http://www.steroid.com/The-Whole-Truth-About-DNP.php
They might be biaised but they give good references.
I really don't want to argue over the internet since it's pretty much like doing the Special Olympics: win or lose, you're still a retard but the fact remain it's a poison.
I'm out.
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Fuck all that!!!^^^^ we know drugs r bad mmmmm Kay let the man dope his girl up and post pics for us to c broseph.. What if she comes in at 7%and wins and the edge she got was from 10 days of dnp
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Seems the DNP you got was underdosed or not DNP. 10 days and her weight drop was nothing. that 2 pounds is probably what she sweated out the first night.
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She is like 130lb though lol
2lb is a massive drop
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i bet shell drop another additional 3-4lbs on top of regular weight loss during the next week.
if not, her diet, exercise or dnp was shit
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@jizmo: Epic quoting myself but yeah, I did read pretty much every science papers on DNP and on proton uncoupling during the Krebbs cycle, and unlike you my surpringsingly lazy german friend, I bothered quoting them in my very first post....
No human studies on DNP has been made ever since the 1930's so your claims are rather outrageous my purpled hued compadre, plus a doctor has been sued for giving dnp to his clients in the 1980's. Food for thoughts.
;D
I agree with Jizmo on this but I have to congratulate you on your wordsmithship
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I used DNP purely as an experiment and will not do so again, mainly because it gave me UNSTOPPABLE cravings. I'm talking about trawling the streets at 3am in the rain for ice cream.
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OK, sorry for the delay. Here we are a full week plus out. After 5 days off DNP her weight was 130.5lbs. I am positive my source was legit. I've searched a ton for logs during contest prep and never found much. All that I always find is someone who has a lot of fat, coming off a bulk and running it. Of course they are going to drop. If they just change they're diet alone they would drop a ton anyway.
She's now back at it with 45 min cardio, just restarted clen and able to hit the gym hard. 127.0lbs this morning.
As far as those bashing me for having her run it, it was what she wanted last year and this year to give it a go. I can tell you that we played it as safe as possible by cutting back the cardio, her training was not as intense and slightly more carbs. Could that have had an effect on the results, sure. But in experimenting with it, I believe I now have what I need to tell others its not what we are going to run during prep, period. It will not replace hard work and diet, so its off my arsenal.
As for the next 6 weeks, her prep will look something like this but is always subject to change
6 weeks out: clen doses ramping up 50mcg, t3 60mcg a day split, anavar 10mg, off tbol now, test prop 8mg EOD, nolva 20mg, letro 1.25mg
5 weeks out: clen finishing mid week around 100mcg, t3 80mcg a day split, anavar 10mg, test prop 8mg EOD, nolva 20mg, letro 1.25mg
4 weeks out: t3 80mcg a day split, anavar 10mg, test prop 10mg EOD, tren ace 10mg EOD, nolva 20mg, letro 1.25mg
3 weeks out: t3 80mcg a day split, anavar 10mg, test prop 10mg EOD, tren ace 10mg EOD, nolva 20mg, letro 1.25mg, restart clen end of the week
2 weeks out: t3 80mcg a day split, anavar 10mg, test prop 5mg EOD, tren ace 15mg EOD, nolva 20mg, letro 2.5mg, clen continued
1 week out: t3 80mcg a day split, anavar 10mg, test prop 5mg EOD, tren ace 15mg EOD, nolva 20mg, letro 2.5mg, clen continued
Before I get bashed for tren, we assessed tolerance in the offseason for 4 weeks, no sides. However test at >10mg EOD causes sides for her. Every competitor is different. I will go up higher with the tren the last 2 weeks if no sides and we haven't hit the hard look we want.
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you are an awful awful coach..tren and 80mcg of t3..dnp...jessus christ.
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you are an awful awful coach..tren and 80mcg of t3..dnp...jessus christ.
Is it worth it? Tren and that much T3