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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: local hero on May 17, 2015, 11:35:02 AM
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All my knowledge is from years back, what's the current thought on dosing gh, timing, IM or into fat?
My old protocol would be upon wakening before breakfast and before bed, into stomach fat...
It always worked but I know how things move on, the stuff isn't cheap so you need to get the best you can out of it..
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Palumbo says take your dose first thing in the morning when your gh levels are at the lowest.
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I've tried that before, used to cause carple-tunnel type symptoms a split dose seems to alleviate the sides a tad..
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Your natural HGH level peaks when your in REM sleep so shooting in the morning never made much sense to me but whatever everybody has their methods. Palumbo never went pro. Either have I I am jst saying your HGH level is probably at it's highest when you wake up I might wait a few hours before you did your first shot . some guys like shooting one huge dose and some guys like the 2IU every 4 hour method.
now guys are IV'ing HGH just shooting it right into a vein at least some guys I know. The main thing is having high quality HGH rather then the timing. Id def shoot some pre-workout and then another shot after post workout meal. when you sleep like I said you should get a HGH blast when your in REM sleep. GHB raises natural HGH like crazy so for you insomniacs use GHB instead of any sleeping pills or benzos.
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Your natural HGH level peaks when your in REM sleep so shooting in the morning never made much sense to me but whatever everybody has their methods. Palumbo never went pro. Either have I I am jst saying your HGH level is probably at it's highest when you wake up I might wait a few hours before you did your first shot . some guys like shooting one huge dose and some guys like the 2IU every 4 hour method.
now guys are IV'ing HGH just shooting it right into a vein at least some guys I know. The main thing is having high quality HGH rather then the timing. Id def shoot some pre-workout and then another shot after post workout meal. when you sleep like I said you should get a HGH blast when your in REM sleep. GHB raises natural HGH like crazy so for you insomniacs use GHB instead of any sleeping pills or benzos.
Yes. Protocol hardly matters. Quality of HGH does in most cases
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I just switched back to pre-bed. Make me tired as hell during the day when I take it in the mornings. Timing doesn't matter, just getting it in and having quality stuff. It will work no matter what.
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Yes. Protocol hardly matters. Quality of HGH does in most cases
Well duh... You can pin anything and if the quality is no good, no matter how good the timing, it won't work. And I'm not buying into this "timing does not matter"
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Well duh... You can pin anything and if the quality is no good, no matter how good the timing, it won't work. And I'm not buying into this "timing does not matter"
I think timing does matter but it would take alot of practice to figure it out down to the T it might depend on someones body. I can;t igure out why I start looking all peak at 2-3AM instead of earlier in the day, I still look good but not like I do at these weird late hours.
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I think timing does matter but it would take alot of practice to figure it out down to the T it might depend on someones body. I can;t igure out why I start looking all peak at 2-3AM instead of earlier in the day, I still look good but not like I do at these weird late hours.
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This guy on a CAnadian site had some damn good reasoning as to why you should mainline the gH.
Wish I remembered why...
Do you peak at 2-3am due to certain foods eaten at a certain time? I find I peak after a few meals in me.
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I heard right after a workout, 10iu. No joke. Is this wrong?
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I heard right after a workout, 10iu. No joke. Is this wrong?
if you want to take in a post workout meal soon, maybe not the best time. But every time of the day can be benefited from gh injections, lol... They can all be justified in one way or another.
I need cals post workout ASAP, so it depends on the person/goals.
I would use a good dose upon waking up, the next when I feel my stoch is the lightest and would time is much later than the first shot.
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All my knowledge is from years back, what's the current thought on dosing gh, timing, IM or into fat?
My old protocol would be upon wakening before breakfast and before bed, into stomach fat...
It always worked but I know how things move on, the stuff isn't cheap so you need to get the best you can out of it..
waking up early morning is preferable and then waiting to eat your meal...Taking couple iu before each meal split up into 2-3 hr periods depending on how hungry you are waiting a min of 20-30 minutes AT LEAST before taking a bite...Really depends...There's no such thing as cheap GH..That's why i'm so amazed at people getting chinese blue tops for 100 dollars and running 20 iu a day with no results..If it's real it's gonna be expensive
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IMO, the best protocol is to take as much legit GH as you can handle split up equally 3-4 x throughout the day.
My goto GH protocol is 5iu split up into 4 shots a day.
I thing the timing stuff is over hyped & may make a 5% difference but cause you way more inconvenience.
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IMO, the best protocol is to take as much legit GH as you can handle split up equally 3-4 x throughout the day.
My goto GH protocol is 5iu split up into 4 shots a day.
I thing the timing stuff is over hyped & may make a 5% difference but cause you way more inconvenience.
All that you need to do is Inject some legit HGH
Sub q, IM IV , in the cawk...it doesn't matter.
1 shot of 2,3,4_5_6_10 iu
Or 10shots of 1iu..... IT DOES NOT MATTER
all you need is to inject HGH
Timing, protocol, all over hyped. You are right.
If you have blue tops, inject as many vials in a day you can afford, do not fucking count.
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I definitely do think it's best to spread out shots to at least 2x per day to not only keep GH levels more constant, but to reduce negative sides.
When I do all of my daily GH dose in one shot, I get no better gains, but more headaches, edema, high BP etc.
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I definitely do think it's best to spread out shots to at least 2x per day to not only keep GH levels more constant, but to reduce negative sides.
When I do all of my daily GH dose in one shot, I get no better gains, but more headaches, edema, high BP etc.
I sometimes do 8iu sub q in stomach after workout late night without any problems except crazy pumps next day
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Maintaining stable blood levels seems to make sense to trigger growth and repair.
Personaly, I've had much better results splitting my doses throughout the day then trying to mimick pulses. Then again, I'm on baby doses compared to you guys so what the hell do I know lol
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Maintaining stable blood levels seems to make sense to trigger growth and repair.
Personaly, I've had much better results splitting my doses throughout the day then trying to mimick pulses. Then again, I'm on baby doses compared to you guys so what the hell do I know lol
I agree. Splitting things up to 3x a day seems adequate & easy enough to do. I don't understand the full dose post workout thing at all.l It's a theory that Chad made popular years ago as he claimed it was mimicking the growth spurt of babies. But since grown BBs aren't babies anymore & it didn't make sense.
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Put simply
For muscle growth you'll want most of the GH around the training window.
Systemic IGF does NOT increase muscle mass
Local expression does.
So pin in the muscles about an hour before you train.
The difference? Who knows. Probably little to none? I've never used GH but this is what the science says
If you use a lot, you HAVE to spread the dose around.
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Recently i heard there were several kinds of GH.
For example when you fast (during the night), the GH you secrete is catabolic (to fat AND muscle) hence why you lose muscle by not eating.
Meaning GH has a catabolic componment to it and why IF is bullshit btw. Yes you secrete more GH by fasting but not the anabolic type.
Also the catabolic type of GH is the reason most people taking GH notice fat loss as one of the main effect.
With IGF-1 its the same thing, the one in the muscle is highly anabolic but the one from the liver is a lot less.
Before you bash me, im not sure about the science behind all this just something i heard from someone who is very knowledgable, wrote books and articles for magazines etc...
Im a gymrat aint no scientist ;D
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Recently i heard there were several kinds of GH.
For example when you fast (during the night), the GH you secrete is catabolic (to fat AND muscle) hence why you lose muscle by not eating.
Meaning GH has a catabolic componment to it and why IF is bullshit btw. Yes you secrete more GH by fasting but not the anabolic type.
Also the catabolic type of GH is the reason most people taking GH notice fat loss as one of the main effect.
With IGF-1 its the same thing, the one in the muscle is highly anabolic but the one from the liver is a lot less.
Before you bash me, im not sure about the science behind all this just something i heard from someone who is very knowledgable, wrote books and articles for magazines etc...
Im a gymrat aint no scientist ;D
Well GH is not anabolic at all
You either get local IGF-1 expression or you do not
I don't think that GH or IGF-1 is catabolic to muscle though. Local IGF-1 expression = gains
Take GH and don't train - nothing will happen, no local expression. AAS will still build muscle without training though
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Yep no point taking GH for muscle gains if not already on AAS or even better AAS+Slin :)
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GH is not catabolic at all
it has a metabolism increasing effect, meaning it increases protein turnover (both accretion and degradation), but theres an increase in net protein synthesis so its more anabolic than catabolic
btw, AAS do the same thing. very few people know this but testosterone actually increases protein degradation, meaning muscle loss. it just increases protein synthesis by a much greater degree, so that in the end you gain muscle. tren does the opposite. it actually DECREASES protein synthesis but DECREASES protein degradation to a much stronger degree either, so in the end its = gains. another reason for test+tren being such a great stack.
the whole thing with tren is debatable though, ive seen studies on tren showing no increase in protein degradation and an increase in protein synthesis too. its probably dependant on a lot of factors.
as always, 100 studies, 100 opinions.
but ive never seen a single study showing GH to be catabolic to muscle tissue
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Well GH is not anabolic at all
You either get local IGF-1 expression or you do not
I don't think that GH or IGF-1 is catabolic to muscle though. Local IGF-1 expression = gains
Take GH and don't train - nothing will happen, no local expression. AAS will still build muscle without training though
What do you mean "build muscle without training" ?? Very minimal if at all... Added intracellular water + 1/4 more blood volume in muscles when pumped along with increased igf-1 and protein synthesis while ONN and this will all go away after you're done taking them..So as far as TISSUE..I'd say if you didn't work out and tear the muscles up and give them time to recover just like you would when you're lifting without them i don't see how you would be able to add any REAL tissue.. A far as size and weight? Of corse.. what do you think alot of treatmental steroids were made for in the first place?? Weight gain i.e anadrol anavar but the TISSUE is a different story..
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What do you mean "build muscle without training" ?? Very minimal if at all... Added intracellular water + 1/4 more blood volume in muscles when pumped along with increased igf-1 and protein synthesis while ONN and this will all go away after you're done taking them..So as far as TISSUE..I'd say if you didn't work out and tear the muscles up and give them time to recover just like you would when you're lifting without them i don't see how you would be able to add any REAL tissue.. A far as size and weight? Of corse.. what do you think alot of treatmental steroids were made for in the first place?? Weight gain i.e anadrol anavar but the TISSUE is a different story..
There are loads of studies that show testosterone building muscle in people that don't lift weights lol
I have a transgender friend and have seen it with my own eyes as they turn from female to male
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There are loads of studies that show testosterone building muscle in people that don't lift weights lol
I have a transgender friend and have seen it with my own eyes as they turn from female to male
did you have sex with that person while a woman? That would be really weird...
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Gh is Gh, it might not be anabolic if other hormones like somatostatin are present while GH is released but that is about it. There are not "types" of gh as it is a pretty standard 191 amino acid sequence.
Testosterone does build "muscle" or to be more specific lean tissue even if no training is present so "localized igf-1 expression" is not exactly a key factor. IGF-1 might be but localized... no.
Bottom line, spread your gh doses, most doctors have switched to gh secretagogue (GHR-P's) for HRT BUT for bodybuilding purposes, exogenous GH is the name of the game.
Alone, HGH is not that good a muscle builder but it has many benefits on other type of tissues that gear just won't address (soft tissue, ligament, connective tissue, skin cells etc).
I have no studies to back it up but I think most, if not all of the benefits of HGH comes from IGF-1. I just did a small cycle of IGF-1 LR3 and mechano growth factor and the results have been nothing short of amazing on pure sports performance.... I'm able to ground opposite players, train even harder then in my 20's yet still remain injury free, which helps getting my hefty salary paid by my bosses to keep a crowd of drunken spectators entertained.
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did you have sex with that person while a woman? That would be really weird...
haha nah, he only likes women
So used to be a lesbian, now a heterosexual male :D
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There are loads of studies that show testosterone building muscle in people that don't lift weights lol
I have a transgender friend and have seen it with my own eyes as they turn from female to male
It doesn't build muscle past genetic comfortable point. If you're a woman you will hold much less muscle naturally without lifting than a man would just solely based on natural hormone levels...So she will come to a standstill in muscle growth...(or he, whatever the fuck "it" is) once she becomes the size of a male marathon runner unless she eats and becomes a male linebacker that does not lift or get playing time on the football team..From there she will have to build REAL muscle and REAL tissue
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It doesn't build muscle past genetic comfortable point. If you're a woman you will hold much less muscle naturally without lifting than a man would just solely based on natural hormone levels...So she will come to a standstill in muscle growth...(or he, whatever the fuck "it" is) once she becomes the size of a male marathon runner unless she eats and becomes a male linebacker that does not lift or get playing time on the football team..From there she will have to build REAL muscle and REAL tissue
What about the studies that show men building muscle doing NO EXERCISE on 600mg/week?
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What about the studies that show men building muscle doing NO EXERCISE on 600mg/week?
Compare it to having a superior genetic form of man..A Neanderthal if you wanna get kinky ;) :-*.. That 600mg test/week will get you as much muscle up to the point where that superior genetic form of man would have or what someone in that realm of testosterone levels would have to sit at comfortably..Notice how it will never differ from 5-10 lbs of tissue without training.."Genetic response" to test actually differs the least from almost any other drug..And peoples strong points arms, chest, etc growing differently is because of their genetic makeup and receptors has nothing to do with the amount of test in their system...If wasn't because of genetic makeup Dorians arms would have been bigger..
Either way..We're talking therapeutic dosages here so this is somewhat irrelevant..Of corse you'll put on weight and size with 600mg test no training..Get off the test, or even lower dosage to 100mg administered 50mg 2ce a week and you'll see the weight rapidly go down..As it's not REAL TISSUE....Brian Williams knows the real truth...Brian Williams WAS THERE when those experiments happened!!
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I posted:
"Take GH and don't train - nothing will happen, no local expression. AAS will still build muscle without training though"
this is true, end of discussion, no ifs no buts.
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Compare it to having a superior genetic form of man..A Neanderthal if you wanna get kinky ;) :-*.. That 600mg test/week will get you as much muscle up to the point where that superior genetic form of man would have or what someone in that realm of testosterone levels would have to sit at comfortably..Notice how it will never differ from 5-10 lbs of tissue without training.."Genetic response" to test actually differs the least from almost any other drug..And peoples strong points arms, chest, etc growing differently is because of their genetic makeup and receptors has nothing to do with the amount of test in their system...If wasn't because of genetic makeup Dorians arms would have been bigger..
Either way..We're talking therapeutic dosages here so this is somewhat irrelevant..Of corse you'll put on weight and size with 600mg test no training..Get off the test, or even lower dosage to 100mg administered 50mg 2ce a week and you'll see the weight rapidly go down..As it's not REAL TISSUE....Brian Williams knows the real truth...Brian Williams WAS THERE when those experiments happened!!
Numerous studies proves otherwise. Even low dosage (100-200 mgs a week) can improve lbm on different type of subjects.... Training or not...
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/8460137_Effects_of_Androgenic-Anabolic_Steroids_in_Athletes
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haha nah, he only likes women
So used to be a lesbian, now a heterosexual male :D
always wanted to eat a lesbians pussy to get a "rating" on my skills. I almost got the opportunity once. Would love to be the first guy to ever go down on a chick. A woman, not some girl you pedo pervert fucks, lol....
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Numerous studies proves otherwise. Even low dosage (100-200 mgs a week) can improve lbm on different type of subjects.... Training or not...
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/8460137_Effects_of_Androgenic-Anabolic_Steroids_in_Athletes
Again understand the words i'm saying because this is crucial...for your testosterone levels there is a certain lbm you should have according to height and if ur same height it never fluctuates more than 5-10 lbs in that given range if you don't work out...the 10lb range is the black people you see at the basketball courts who have full muscle bellies and the only exercise they do is playing ball..No hypertrophy workout whatsover..the 5 to lower is the asian man you see that loves the computer etc etc..A woman goes on TRT and she builds up the size until she reaches the natural average to below average of the man that is not involved with weights (bigger than a woman)..The body would not allow an imbalance like having good testosterone levels but an extremely small amount of size (i.e a girl)...So it will build you up...Same with 600mg test...Your body will not let you have a wicked small amount of size if your levels are in the 600 range...It has to be a healthy balance..This healthy balance should not be mistaken for BUILDING MUSCLE ON TEST WITHOUT WORKING OUT...I'd like to see you at your natural limits that has a good eating and working out regime and try to take 200mg test/week and stop working out for that time being...Not only will you not build anything, you will almost def lose size even though you only produce around 75mg week as a male....The end
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I've tried almost every trend there is for GH. For the most part it doesn't matter at all.
I found for me, that shooting it twice a day was the best. Once in the morning and once post-workout or when i get home from work on the days i don't train.
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I've tried almost every trend there is for GH. For the most part it doesn't matter at all.
I found for me, that shooting it twice a day was the best. Once in the morning and once post-workout or when i get home from work on the days i don't train.
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Keep it simple. Shoot as much as you can. Spread it out during the day to AM & PM. Done.
All that fancy timing stuff is BS from gurus trying to justify charging you money for prep.