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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Fastback on May 26, 2015, 10:40:05 PM
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BMR is supposedly 3,000.
Will start calories at roughly 3,000.
Drugs of choice are test e (1mL), tren ace (4mL); 50 mg T-Bol ED & some Aromaisn e3d
goal is to get lean, will be happy to get to 9-10% and hopefully build some lean muscle along the way.
While on steroids, should my diet change much? Would starting at BMR be a good idea while slowly decreasing calories and/or increasing physical activity?
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Treat it as if you're natural still. The drugs are incidental.
Stay at 3,000 for a week. Take pics, measurements and weights twice a week. Then at the end of the week, adjust the diet 200 Calories in either direction. If you're flat then up the carbs and decrease the fats / protein
Pretty simple really. Just need to be honest with yourself or get a friend to look at it as well
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if you want to do shit fast then hit tren and starve yourself
fast and effective.
stop worrying about muscle loss when still above 7-8% bodyfat.
but most people are phaggots and dont have the willpower to starve (including myself) so just set a point of calories (as low as possible... youre on tren.) you feel comfy with and go from there.
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Agree with both. Use both techniques. Go with less then 3000 , more like 2000-2500 no carbs for 3 days and on 3rd night refeed by eating the last few meals high carbs and high fatty protein then repeat the carb cycle
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dont eat high fats while refeeding
thats counterproductive
carb cycling in general is a good idea though
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why starve if on tren? Isn't the whole point of gear to not have to resort to such madness?
I mean can't you just wait like 3-6 weeks or normal dieting to get in shape, lol?
if say test, tren and a fat burner does not get a person lean in the time frame I suggested then I suggest not becoming such a fat ass in the first place. It does not help you in the grand scheme of being big and lean in the end.
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well why diet half assed for 12 weeks if you can do it in 6
more time to gain muscle
IMO youll have better results in the long run with 6 weeks hardcore cutting and 18 weeks bulking vs 12 weeks half ass cutting and 12 weeks bulking
of course assuming youre blasting 100% of the time :D
the latter of course is more comfortable. most do it that way. including myself
albeit i rather do shorter bulk/cut cycles to get the most out of rebounding, increased insulin sensitivity etc, while staying pretty lean year round
however still experimenting with what works best. some guys need year long off seasons to actually let muscle tissue accrue
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dont eat high fats while refeeding
thats counterproductive
carb cycling in general is a good idea though
fats like avocados, nuts , bison , sirloin steak
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well why diet half assed for 12 weeks if you can do it in 6
more time to gain muscle
IMO youll have better results in the long run with 6 weeks hardcore cutting and 18 weeks bulking vs 12 weeks half ass cutting and 12 weeks bulking
of course assuming youre blasting 100% of the time :D
the latter of course is more comfortable. most do it that way. including myself
albeit i rather do shorter bulk/cut cycles to get the most out of rebounding, increased insulin sensitivity etc, while staying pretty lean year round
however still experimenting with what works best. some guys need year long off seasons to actually let muscle tissue accrue
I guess my ultra ecto genes have me not understanding the difficulties... I swear I get lean on some guys bulking diets, lol...
But I totally agree with you on shorter bulk/cuts for the rebound phase. That is why I had brought up the whole "ABCDE" diet a few backs. Some good bits and pieces we can all apply to better ourselves I think.
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fats like avocados, nuts , bison , sirloin steak
i have to disagree here.
of course i agree on the fact that you should eat these kinds of fats on the regular.
BUT during the refeed part you should skip them...
fats have basically no metabolic benefit regarding thyroid output. you want to increase t4 to t3 conversion by refeeding and this is done via a high influx of carbs. fats are useless _during that part_ ... there are studies on that (fats vs carbs in regards to increasing thyroid output)... plus with all the insulin youre pumping out from a high carb intake you would just store the fats you eat, which is again counterproductive.
the everyday diet should of course include fish fat, avocados, nuts, eggs, coconut oil / mcts, good red meat etc.. no doubt about that ;)
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So will start at roughly 2800 calories.
Will keep protein at 235, carbs 275 and fats 85
Every 10 days or so will drop calories coming from carbs, maybe 20g every time I go lower
And will be increasing cardio when I don't wanna drop calories to low
i don't think re feeds will be neccessary from that start, so will use re feeds when carbs drop to about 150
Or so.
When should I notice the effects of tren? In terms or feeling the drug and noticing magical effects of tren? ;D
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i have to disagree here.
of course i agree on the fact that you should eat these kinds of fats on the regular.
BUT during the refeed part you should skip them...
fats have basically no metabolic benefit regarding thyroid output. you want to increase t4 to t3 conversion by refeeding and this is done via a high influx of carbs. fats are useless _during that part_ ... there are studies on that (fats vs carbs in regards to increasing thyroid output)... plus with all the insulin youre pumping out from a high carb intake you would just store the fats you eat, which is again counterproductive.
the everyday diet should of course include fish fat, avocados, nuts, eggs, coconut oil / mcts, good red meat etc.. no doubt about that ;)
those fats will keep you looking full. Why do you think everyone behind the stage is eating massive amounts of peanut butter? Ground hamburger meat , cheese burgers and fries.
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those fats will keep you looking full. Why do you think everyone behind the stage is eating massive amounts of peanut butter? Ground hamburger meat , cheese burgers and fries.
I've never seen anyone do this, is this common in US?
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Well I guess that it was a NEW trick at the ronnie Coleman classic, nothing but rice cakes smothered in peanut butter, reeses peanut butter cups , bison meat , ground beef , white potatoes, jasmine rice , donuts , in and out burgers, you name it.
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My last few days out for my last meal I would eat 1lb of ground bison , 8 Oz sweet potato and avocados, if hungry later a few tbls of peanut butter , and zero carbs all day up until that meal
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Just drop cals, doesnt matter which foods it comes from. Cals = the only thing that matters
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My last few days out for my last meal I would eat 1lb of ground bison , 8 Oz sweet potato and avocados, if hungry later a few tbls of peanut butter , and zero carbs all day up until that meal
why bison...what's different about bison than other meats?
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why bison...what's different about bison than other meats?
Probably cause of the higher fat content
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I've never seen anyone do this, is this common in US?
I purposely eat ground organic meat for the high cal content, eat peanut butter and jam toasts with my whole eggs for the fats. The ground meat is perfect to make burgers in. I eat burgers probably 4 times a week.
But you may get the runs at first with lots of peanut butter, also get real sick of it quick when eaten all the time. Even when consumed with jam as at one point, from all the previous meals, not everything is fully digested then you get stomach issues. So up the intake slowly.
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those fats will keep you looking full. Why do you think everyone behind the stage is eating massive amounts of peanut butter? Ground hamburger meat , cheese burgers and fries.
sorry to burst your bubble man but that has nothing to do with the fats per se ;)
it works because these foods are always loaded with sodium too.
sodium pulls water and keeps you full, not dietary fat.
this is the concept of "shit loading", right? from skip lacour or whoever advocates it...
fats do basically nothing for muscle fullness.
muscle fullness is glycogen pulling water inside the muscle. glycogen = stored carbohydrates
while there are intramuscular fat storages too theyre not significant in any way...
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if you want to do shit fast then hit tren and starve yourself
fast and effective.
stop worrying about muscle loss when still above 7-8% bodyfat.
but most people are phaggots and dont have the willpower to starve (including myself) so just set a point of calories (as low as possible... youre on tren.) you feel comfy with and go from there.
Jizmo, wouldn't that method completely fuck metabolism? Isn't it what happened to Kevthekid?
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Jizmo, wouldn't that method completely fuck metabolism? Isn't it what happened to Kevthekid?
depends on how fat you start, your training frequency and volume, if you refeed correctly, if you use t3 and how much tren you use
tren depresses t3 levels anyway. i would personally never cut without t3.
if you start a starvation diet at 20% bodyfat and stall at 13 or 14% bodyfat then youre fucked. lol
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depends on how fat you start, your training frequency and volume, if you refeed correctly, if you use t3 and how much tren you use
tren depresses t3 levels anyway. i would personally never cut without t3.
if you start a starvation diet at 20% bodyfat and stall at 13 or 14% bodyfat then youre fucked. lol
I see, well I'm roughly 14% no more than 15%. My goal would be 9-10%.
I just started my tren use, 4cc a week. Claims to have 100mg per cc. But I've read the acetate ester can't carry no more than 76mg roughly, or some shit like that.. My 3rd injection is tomorrow, so haven't noticed any effect yet. Although, after the shot, I feel some PIP, something I didn't get with test E, don't know if it can be the drug??
Does tren suppress t3 dramatically? I'm not using any t3.
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All aas can affect thyroid levels. None significantly, though, from what I've seen.
No idea why tren gets such a bad rap for that. Hear it on forums a lot but never anything to back up those statements. If anyone has it I would genuinely be interested in seeing it.
You can use it if you want (t3) but to use it for that reason is unnecessary, imo.
Can we post links to other forums? Have a loooong article about it that was written by Karl Hoffman but don't really want to post it here due to the length of it/muddy up Fastback's thread.
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All aas can affect thyroid levels. None significantly, though, from what I've seen.
No idea why tren gets such a bad rap for that. Hear it on forums a lot but never anything to back up those statements. If anyone has it I would genuinely be interested in seeing it.
You can use it if you want (t3) but to use it for that reason is unnecessary, imo.
Can we post links to other forums? Have a loooong article about it that was written by Karl Hoffman but don't really want to post it here due to the length of it/muddy up Fastback's thread.
I'm all up for it!
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All aas can affect thyroid levels. None significantly, though, from what I've seen.
No idea why tren gets such a bad rap for that. Hear it on forums a lot but never anything to back up those statements. If anyone has it I would genuinely be interested in seeing it.
You can use it if you want (t3) but to use it for that reason is unnecessary, imo.
Can we post links to other forums? Have a loooong article about it that was written by Karl Hoffman but don't really want to post it here due to the length of it/muddy up Fastback's thread.
Llewellyn has it in his anabolic book about tren and thyroid Anthony Roberts spoke of it as well.
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I see, well I'm roughly 14% no more than 15%. My goal would be 9-10%.
I just started my tren use, 4cc a week. Claims to have 100mg per cc. But I've read the acetate ester can't carry no more than 76mg roughly, or some shit like that.. My 3rd injection is tomorrow, so haven't noticed any effect yet. Although, after the shot, I feel some PIP, something I didn't get with test E, don't know if it can be the drug??
Does tren suppress t3 dramatically? I'm not using any t3.
tren acetate can easily be 100mg/ml or even 150mg/ml..
it depends on the solvents, not the ester itself (only partially, you would have a hard time getting ace above 150mg/ml)
i get hypothyroid symptoms when im on tren and they go away when i use t3 with it
so go figure^^
All aas can affect thyroid levels. None significantly, though, from what I've seen.
No idea why tren gets such a bad rap for that. Hear it on forums a lot but never anything to back up those statements. If anyone has it I would genuinely be interested in seeing it.
You can use it if you want (t3) but to use it for that reason is unnecessary, imo.
Can we post links to other forums? Have a loooong article about it that was written by Karl Hoffman but don't really want to post it here due to the length of it/muddy up Fastback's thread.
true, all AAS suppress t3 to a small degree
however i personally only ever get hypothyroid issues with tren. as low as 350mg a week. whereas i can run 2g test and have no issues...
i personally need t3 with tren to not feel like shit, sleep 12 hours a day and run around with a preggo belly
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preggo belly from tren?
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preggo belly from tren?
indigestion
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tren acetate can easily be 100mg/ml or even 150mg/ml..
it depends on the solvents, not the ester itself (only partially, you would have a hard time getting ace above 150mg/ml)
i get hypothyroid symptoms when im on tren and they go away when i use t3 with it
so go figure^^
true, all AAS suppress t3 to a small degree
however i personally only ever get hypothyroid issues with tren. as low as 350mg a week. whereas i can run 2g test and have no issues...
i personally need t3 with tren to not feel like shit, sleep 12 hours a day and run around with a preggo belly
I actually tested for abnormally high free thyroxine (i.e. slightly above the upper bound) while on 500mg of test or so, go figure
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I actually tested for abnormally high free thyroxine (i.e. slightly above the upper bound) while on 500mg of test or so, go figure
well what is that supposed to mean?
t4 is just the inactive hormone
high t4 normally indicates hyperthyroidism
but i think AAS inhibit conversion of t4 to t3 moreso than actually suppressing any of them
so high t4 doesnt tell us anything about t3 numbers (which are much more important)
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if you plateau, cardio hard a few sessions
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Jizmo is right on the money that Tren supresses thyroid.
350mg week preggo all the time, gassy all the time...awful, on 700/1000 per week i puked from indigestion.
as soon as i introduced 25mcg of pharma grade T3 in two days i havent felt better in a long time.
I tried everything before implementing T3... sodium intake, water etc.. all the stuff with nutrition and i always had bad indigestion issues when running tren. Not anymore.
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Jizmo is right on the money that Tren supresses thyroid.
350mg week preggo all the time, gassy all the time...awful, on 700/1000 per week i puked from indigestion.
as soon as i introduced 25mcg of pharma grade T3 in two days i havent felt better in a long time.
I tried everything before implementing T3... sodium intake, water etc.. all the stuff with nutrition and i always had bad indigestion issues when running tren. Not anymore.
yeah many people have the exact same experience
but when they ask for the reasons everyone just goes? WHAT BLOATED ON TREN? UR SHIT IS FAKE
i will never go off t3
the best thing is that the stuff makes you SO much more productive... like a super human
7 hours of sleep, no more needed
never ever yawning, never tired
normally i would sleep 12 hours a day and still be fucked on tren
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yeah many people have the exact same experience
but when they ask for the reasons everyone just goes? WHAT BLOATED ON TREN? UR SHIT IS FAKE
i will never go off t3
the best thing is that the stuff makes you SO much more productive... like a super human
7 hours of sleep, no more needed
never ever yawning, never tired
normally i would sleep 12 hours a day and still be fucked on tren
U worry about your health, using T3 all year round ? What about when your 30, 40, 50?
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U worry about your health, using T3 all year round ? What about when your 30, 40, 50?
u worry about your health using steroids all year round ? what about when youre 30, 40, 50? ;)
what do you even mean with "health". unlike AAS, t3 is not damaging to your health in any way. it leeches bone calcium increasing bone density in chronic high dosages and thats about it. i get a shitton of calcium in my diet and use raloxifene as SERM, which increases bone density. im not worried at all.
thyroid recovery is much quicker than recovery from AAS plus its CERTAIN. not a single medical case where someone did not regain thyroid function after stopping t3 use.
that being said, ill run TRT and probably low dose GH from 40 or so onwards anyway. i dont give a fuck.
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There's been alot of long term T3 users that git off and In a short time their thyroid kicks back In
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There's been alot of long term T3 users that git off and In a short time their thyroid kicks back In
every single one of them
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I get extremely hungry on T3 to where I'm aggravated and short fused
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u worry about your health using steroids all year round ? what about when youre 30, 40, 50? ;)
what do you even mean with "health". unlike AAS, t3 is not damaging to your health in any way. it leeches bone calcium increasing bone density in chronic high dosages and thats about it. i get a shitton of calcium in my diet and use raloxifene as SERM, which increases bone density. im not worried at all.
thyroid recovery is much quicker than recovery from AAS plus its CERTAIN. not a single medical case where someone did not regain thyroid function after stopping t3 use.
that being said, ill run TRT and probably low dose GH from 40 or so onwards anyway. i dont give a fuck.
Whoa man chill, i wasnt attacking you. Was seriously asking if you worry about health issues from running it year round and if you plan being on it at advanced ages. Does your doctor know about the long term use?
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Whoa man chill, i wasnt attacking you. Was seriously asking if you worry about health issues from running it year round and if you plan being on it at advanced ages. Does your doctor know about the long term use?
the i dont give a fuck was not directed towards you, sorry if i came across a bit offended lol, i didnt take your post as an attack at all...
but yeah im not worried about any health issues from t3 at all. i mean i (ab-)use AAS year round and im well aware of that. t3 actually is the least thing i worry about.
i dont have a "doc", all self administered. i have to admit that my last bloodwork its been a while too :-\
i regularly check blood pressure, blood sugar etc at home. watch out for inflammation, gum disease etc (all health markers you can check yourself)...
i know that my cholesterol must be completely wrecked by now though and my HDL must be single digits, if theres any left at all. and yeah im worried, but it is how it is.
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I get extremely hungry on T3 to where I'm aggravated and short fused
T3 has me wake up every night I use it and eat ice cream and jelly beans or some other junk. Still get lean as it burns cals like no other. Just hate the flat look it gives and doubt I will ever touch it again because of that.
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I'm currently on 1g test, 50mcg T3, 150mcg T4, 30mcg clen
I'm not flat at all, but burn up when I eat carbs haha
Eating 2500kcal, 150-200g protein a day with the rest of the calories from carbs (usually rice)
Pretty low fat - chicken thighs mostly
Will reduce to 2300kcal next week and bump the clen up to 60mcg
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When cutting to those BF the name of the game is being below maint, eating clean foods, low carb and trying not to eat too few calories but mostly letting the tren, clen do the work IN ADDITION that you would already be losing BF on this diet WITHOUT gear these will enhance the overall effect..
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Can we post links to other forums? Have a loooong article about it that was written by Karl Hoffman but don't really want to post it here due to the length of it/muddy up Fastback's thread.
No problem, just don't post links to source boards.
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