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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.html?cnn=yes
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Sounds right on the money. Barry is a terd.
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Now, tell us something we didn't already know............... :-\
Swwwwwing batter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He is not a Terd lest you believe everyone else is Natural!
Everyone was on this guys jock suddenly there's proof it wasn't all him and we turn?
He is no Hank Aaron but the game evolved, he evolved with it along with other greats we know some used and others didn't but I think America feels their entitled to a Confession but in reality who cares, it is his body, his life and he did what the Sport ALLOWED him to do!
Now if the NFL Users all turned green including Kicker and Punters you'd be surprised at how many are juicing.
Not approving of it but we praise our BBers and point fingers at othere sports, it's sad.
In reality, who cares, perform and entertain me, that's what I'm thinking when I pay to watch a game or athlete. What they have to do inorder to achieve that is on them. They reap the reward and suffer the consequences of what they have to do in order to get my money.
out,
S. Ray
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he's not a turd for doing steriods he's a turd for the way he conducts himself. It's everybody else's fault, the press makes his life a living hell, remember him standing there last year saying "i hope you're happy, my son cries himself to sleep everynight" or something like that? Maybe his son cries himself to sleep bacause of the circus you created by playing such an ignorant fool. "Oh I didn't know I was taking roids"..c'mon, this guy know evrything that is going into his body. He bitches about the press following him but then signs on to do a reality show? What a dick.
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it will sell alot of copies
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He is not a Terd lest you believe everyone else is Natural!
Everyone was on this guys jock suddenly there's proof it wasn't all him and we turn?
He is no Hank Aaron but the game evolved, he evolved with it along with other greats we know some used and others didn't but I think America feels their entitled to a Confession but in reality who cares, it is his body, his life and he did what the Sport ALLOWED him to do!
Now if the NFL Users all turned green including Kicker and Punters you'd be surprised at how many are juicing.
Not approving of it but we praise our BBers and point fingers at othere sports, it's sad.
In reality, who cares, perform and entertain me, that's what I'm thinking when I pay to watch a game or athlete. What they have to do inorder to achieve that is on them. They reap the reward and suffer the consequences of what they have to do in order to get my money.
out,
S. Ray
Shawn "Strength & Honor!" Ray ha ha ha
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He's so mired in his own warped views that he doesn't realize that his crummy attitude's the biggest problem.
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"..two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle"
The guy was taking even GH!!!!
Did at least he gained a lot of mass??? ;)
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TRENBOLONE
Mothers milk..... according to Barry
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That's why bbing sucks. they all became baseball players
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yeah....
where else do you get PAID to swing your wood...
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Not approving of it but we praise our BBers and point fingers at othere sports, it's sad.
In reality, who cares, perform and entertain me, that's what I'm thinking when I pay to watch a game or athlete. What they have to do inorder to achieve that is on them. They reap the reward and suffer the consequences of what they have to do in order to get my money.
out,
S. Ray
You say "not approving..." and then in the next sentence "In reality, who cares...". So what is your stance really? From past articles and interviews it is apparent that you chose your health over trying to do what it would take to compete with Yates, Coleman or any of the other guys and you should be applauded for that. I agree that the playing field should be even and currently that is the case since there is no testing, as was the case during most of your career. So, don't you think that you competed on an even playing field? (Based on the drug aspect since we all know how you feel about the judging)
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He's a terd because I've met him. I don't give a crap about juicing or not. Idiots.
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when Bonds broke Mark McGwire's single-season home-run record (70) by belting 73, Bonds was using two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle
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If Anderson told Bonds he was not due for another cycle, the authors write, Bonds would tell him, "F--- off, I'll do it myself.''
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The authors write that Anderson started Bonds on Winstrol, also known as stanozolol, the longtime favorite steroid of bodybuilders, disgraced sprinter Ben Johnson and baseball player Rafael Palmeiro. In 100 days, Bonds packed on 15 pounds of muscle, and at age 35 hit home runs at the best rate of his career, once every 10.4 at bats. But he also grew too big, too fast. He tore his triceps tendon, telling Bell that the steroids "makes me grow faster, but if you're not careful, you can blow it out.
15 pounds of muscle in 100 days on winny alone at 35? 3 week cycles? wtf?
I quote the great forensic sceintist Henry Lee: "Something wrong"...
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this dude was on Winstrol, Test, GH, Insulin and still wasn't big? hahahaha, fucking pathetic.
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this dude was on Winstrol, Test, GH, Insulin and still wasn't big? hahahaha, fucking pathetic.
If you look at some of his pics, you could see that his physique was totally naturally attainable. Nothing special about it.
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If you look at some of his pics, you could see that his physique was totally naturally attainable. Nothing special about it.
hahahaha, 6'2" 230 lbs. juiced to the gills, pitiful.
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He's a terd because he still denies that he used steroids. He's a fucken pussy!
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They said that he worked out for 12 hours sometimes and he did it cause Mark McGuire and Sosa took over baseball in 1998 and wanted to join in on the fun...
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They said that he worked out for 12 hours sometimes and he did it cause Mark McGuire and Sosa took over baseball in 1998 and wanted to join in on the fun...
monster catabolic workouts.
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monster catabolic workouts.
Will you shut the f*ck up with your stupid ass comments? Add something to the discussion instead of sounding like you're f*cking 13 years old. God, I'd like to meet you and kick your ass. You need it, dude. You're a little bitch.
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Will you shut the f*ck up with your stupid ass comments? Add something to the discussion instead of sounding like you're f*cking 13 years old. God, I'd like to meet you and kick your ass. You need it, dude. You're a little bitch.
MELTDOWN
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He is not a Terd lest you believe everyone else is Natural!
Everyone was on this guys jock suddenly there's proof it wasn't all him and we turn?
He is no Hank Aaron but the game evolved, he evolved with it along with other greats we know some used and others didn't but I think America feels their entitled to a Confession but in reality who cares, it is his body, his life and he did what the Sport ALLOWED him to do!
Now if the NFL Users all turned green including Kicker and Punters you'd be surprised at how many are juicing.
Not approving of it but we praise our BBers and point fingers at othere sports, it's sad.
In reality, who cares, perform and entertain me, that's what I'm thinking when I pay to watch a game or athlete. What they have to do inorder to achieve that is on them. They reap the reward and suffer the consequences of what they have to do in order to get my money.
out,
S. Ray
he is a cheat, he knew he was cheating and his records in my opinion do not count....do the ends justify the means Shawn?
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the guy writing the article doesnt know much. Test decanoate is long acting, the same ester in deca that keeps it in your system at a steady blood level for weeks.
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He's a terd because he still denies that he used steroids. He's a fucken pussy!
he has to deny it, just like any of us would in his position....its illegal right??
hes still the best ever cept for maybe babe ruth!!
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He is a shit-faced lying piece of cockrag...
Why?
Because he openly DENIED he used anything and now we know...
The other guys who we ALL KNOW use, dont publicly deny it, so I dont have any quelms with them..
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15 pounds of muscle in 100 days on winny alone at 35? 3 week cycles? wtf?
I quote the great forensic sceintist Henry Lee: "Something wrong"...
^Frank, it's good to have you back in the mix, negro.
We need you back in the game.
"Choppin' rocks overnight, the nugga Biggie Smalls trying to turn in to the black Frank white."
On a side note: If it's true that Bonds has been hoggin' the Trenbolone, that would explain why it costs so much for a damn Flank steak these days.
Damn Barry......Can't you leave the Tren to the veterans and stick to "the clear", GH and Insulin?
Talk about pissing in the lemonade......that guy is going to bring unwanted exposure....
DIV
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"..two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle"
The guy was taking even GH!!!!
Did at least he gained a lot of mass??? ;)
He was 6'2" and a "generous" 160 pounds when he was a rookie. His frame was narrow and he looked small boned too. I don't know what he looks like today because he was hurt all last year. I do know he looked like a prototype middle linebacker in 2004.
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He's a terd because I've met him. I don't give a crap about juicing or not. Idiots.
You know Barry is going to cry about McGuire not getting as much heat as him. He probably will use the race card knowing Bonds. The real reason McGuire isn't crucified like Bonds is is because McGuire is a good guy and Bonds is a 100% certified asshole. Even his own team mates can't stand him. Barry made his own bed. Now he has to lie in it.
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hahahaha, 6'2" 230 lbs. juiced to the gills, pitiful.
Sarcasm, I don't know if you remember Bonds when he came into the league in 1986 with the Pirates. He was 160 pounds soaking wet if he was lucky. He had long, real thimb limbs. You would look at him and think this guy had potential to build about a 14" arm max. Tiny wrists. I mean the type of guy you would think a gust of wind would blow over easy.
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You know Barry is going to cry about McGuire not getting as much heat as him. He probably will use the race card knowing Bonds. The real reason McGuire isn't crucified like Bonds is is because McGuire is a good guy and Bonds is a 100% certified asshole. Even his own team mates can't stand him. Barry made his own bed. Now he has to lie in it.
Ease up, this ain't a Macy's day parade..... ::)
A guy like Bonds knows he's made his bed, but he doesn't care, it's worth it to be his own man, be an asshole etc..as long as he can call his own shots.
He was realer than McGwire. McGwire lied and cheated so he's no better than Bonds. The sooner you kids realize that, the better off you'll be.
When you can do the things that Bonds can, you can be an asshole.....
It's that simple.
DIV
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Ease up, this ain't a Macy's day parade..... ::)
A guy like Bonds knows he's made his bed, but he doesn't care, it's worth it to be his own man, be an asshole etc..as long as he can call his own shots.
He was realer than McGwire. McGwire lied and cheated so he's no better than Bonds. The sooner you kids realize that, the better off you'll be.
When you can do the things that Bonds can, you can be an asshole.....
It's that simple.
DIV
DIV, Sounds like your justifying Bonds being a liar. Don't you realize Bonds said he didn't knowingly take steroids? His trainer was working with him for 10 years and he didn't tell Barry what the "supplements he was taking? Barry never asked? His trainer only worked with Jason Giambi for a few months but he told Giambi what his "supplements" consisted of. How can that be "realer"? McGuire just pleaded the 5th he didn't lie. Bonds lied straight out.
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In 1999-2002, Barry had a giant Ben Johnson Moonhead. He had grainy, vascular arms and a big ol' puffy moonhead. ;D
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Apparently, from what his girlfriend says, in 98 he got jealous of McGuire and Sosa. He told her that "pitchers were letting McGuire hit them out tobreak the record cuz hes white"
what a hateful, stupid bastard. i wish someone had measured his hat size in 92 and than again in 2004
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He's gained maybe 50-60 lb. Barely looks like the same person. The "vitamins" seemed to parallel the downward spiral in attitude as well, looked far less cynical early on.
His rationalizations mask his syndromes. He's obviously a racist and jealous bitch, all the things he should have risen above in the enjoyment of such a good life!
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This is barry Bonds in a nutshell. "They're just letting him do it because he's a white boy," Bonds said of McGwire and his chase of Maris's record. The pursuit by Sosa, a Latin player from the Dominican Republic, was entertaining but doomed, Bonds declared. As a matter of policy, "they'll never let him win," he said.
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Ease up, this ain't a Macy's day parade..... ::)
A guy like Bonds knows he's made his bed, but he doesn't care, it's worth it to be his own man, be an asshole etc..as long as he can call his own shots.
He was realer than McGwire. McGwire lied and cheated so he's no better than Bonds. The sooner you kids realize that, the better off you'll be.
When you can do the things that Bonds can, you can be an asshole.....
It's that simple.
DIV
I feel the same way. Bonds has a "go fvck yourself" attitude with the media so they kill him. I respect the fact that he doen't give a shit what people think. Mgwire never came clean about all the shit he was taking either. "i'm not here to talk about the past" was bullshit,plain and simple. There are a LOT of ballplayers on juice, but they all don't hit like bonds. The Rangers Gabe Kappler looked like he could have stepped onstage a couple years ago but still couldn't hit.
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If you're dopey enough to generalize with a FU to the entire media, then accept that you'll also turn off most fans. Just common sense and exactly the balanced more moderate views he doesn't have thanks to accumulated syndromes. The bitterness is palpable and given all the accolades and money, inexplicable.
Aside from the issue of lying, Mcgwire was never the remarkable asshole Bonds has always been, plain and simple. Bonds has used his money to isolate himself from his team, the public and reality, and so doesn't see things clearly anymore, nor does he have to.
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DIV, Sounds like your justifying Bonds being a liar. Don't you realize Bonds said he didn't knowingly take steroids? His trainer was working with him for 10 years and he didn't tell Barry what the "supplements he was taking? Barry never asked? His trainer only worked with Jason Giambi for a few months but he told Giambi what his "supplements" consisted of. How can that be "realer"? McGuire just pleaded the 5th he didn't lie. Bonds lied straight out.
Stop living in fantasyland, Macy's.
McGwire implicitly lied by not telling the truth when in front of the committee on capitol hill. He took a pass when he could have at least spoke on his own behalf. I don't know about you, but if I'm innocent, I'm sure as hell not going to plead the 5th. That is the same as lying.
I'm not justify anything Bonds does. I'm just putting things in perspective for you goody-two shoes types who like to rant and rave on these bullshit topics.
Hail Mary.
BTW: If anything, I'm just pissed that Barry's hogging the Trenbolone. There are other people who can make better use of the Tren than Barry. >:(
DIV
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I feel the same way. Bonds has a "go fvck yourself" attitude with the media so they kill him. I respect the fact that he doen't give a shit what people think. Mgwire never came clean about all the shit he was taking either. "i'm not here to talk about the past" was bullshit,plain and simple. There are a LOT of ballplayers on juice, but they all don't hit like bonds. The Rangers Gabe Kappler looked like he could have stepped onstage a couple years ago but still couldn't hit.
Word.
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If you're dopey enough to generalize with a FU to the entire media, then accept that you'll also turn off most fans. Just common sense that he doesn't have because of his accumulated syndromes.
Aside from the issue of lying, Mcgwire was never the asshole Bonds has always been, plain and simple.
Exactly right. but someone like me doesn't give a crap whether you are a nice guy or not. I think bonds is a douchebag too, but he is (was) the best hitter in the game by far. And I also think the sports media in general are a bunch of self important assholes who try to manufacture controversy and insinuate themselves into the fabric of the story. And when there actually IS something big to write about, they treat it like it was aliens invading the earth. cocks.
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^Frank, it's good to have you back in the mix, negro.
We need you back in the game.
"Choppin' rocks overnight, the nugga Biggie Smalls trying to turn in to the black Frank white."
DIV
The underboss of this holocaust.
Truly yours,
Frank White
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I just have to wonder if all the guys supporting Bond's dumbass posturing and inordinate bitterness in the face of a great lifestyle are black. Ya I know, it doesn't matter, and OJ's innocent. ;D
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The underboss of this holocaust.
Truly yours,
Frank White
Frank, since you've been away the game has changed. There are new players. The scene is ripe for the taking.
What's your next move?
I just have to wonder if all the guys supporting Bond's dumbass posturing and inordinate bitterness in the face of a great lifestyle are black. Ya I know, it doesn't matter, and OJ's innocent. ;D
I'm not black......I just like seeing someone refuse to cater to the media and the bullshit just because he's a rich athlete. He's a man, he does what he wants.....as it should be. Unlike others, he says what he wants, whenever he wants.....if people don't like it, they can step off.
Sure he used AAS and boatload of other drugs, it's obvious. I design cycles for people and I know what each of these drugs do to a physique. The GH and Insulin use are very obvious in Bonds. It's also obvious he's used AAS.
Grown men do what they want, when they want.
It's the bitches who don't have the ability to be men who complain and criticize.......we call them "haters".
DIV
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when Bonds broke Mark McGwire's single-season home-run record (70) by belting 73, Bonds was using two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle
LOL...test decanoate is slow acting.
Propionate is fast.
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Try to discern between the freedom to do what you like and being a dickhead in the process. Barry can't.
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He is the greatest hitter who ever lived bar none.
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Who's to say any of the hitters in the early '60's and '70's did juice? They had no test back then to detect it.
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Who's to say any of the hitters in the early '60's and '70's did juice? They had no test back then to detect it.
;)
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Some of the evidence they weren't is the extremely mediocre physiques in the 60s & 70s.
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I don't think steroids were against the rules of MLB when McGwire broke Maris' record.
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they weren't illegal up until last year i think, his records should still stand
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Yea and Ty Cobb was well liked by his peers too............ ::)
The dude can play PERIOD!
That is what we pay to see, it is not a personality Contest, Mc Enroe was not the most liked guy either should I go on?
Romanowski, Tyson, Liston, Rodman, Ali, T. Owens, Tamali
End the end performance is all that counts for some of these guys not compliments.
The more we judged their personalities, the less we understand that these guys are all about Business and the Dollar Bill.
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Yea na Ty Cobb was well liked by his peers too............
The dude can play PERIOD!
That is what we pay to see, it is not a personality Contest, Mc Enroe was not the most liked guy either should I go on?
Romanowski, Tyson, Liston, Rodman, Ali, T. Owens, Tamali[/i]
End the end performance is all that counts for some of these guys not compliments.
The more we judged their personalities, the less we understand that these guys are all about Business and the Dollar Bill.
:o
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this whole situation should now call out mcguire,
steroids work period, but atleast they are showing how they work and that SI artcle explains it simply but gets it's point across so thats a good thing.
another thing DEA are motherfuckers!
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=58362.msg891834#new
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/\/\ wth is your point ???
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Will you shut the f*ck up with your stupid ass comments? Add something to the discussion instead of sounding like you're f*cking 13 years old. God, I'd like to meet you and kick your ass. You need it, dude. You're a little bitch.
UPINTHEMBUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don't you EVER make fun of Sarcasm again.
Thanks to yourself you are now nr 1 on the list little vulva.
Ok let me cool down for a minute..
Ok, i bet upinthebuts is the type of guy who puts up an advertisary on Ebay where he offers a huge collection of muscle mags for free.
And when someone makes an appointment for the evening with him he does the door on a gap, turns out the lights, sticks up some candles, lies down on his sofa buttnaked and spreads generously posing oil on his "body".
So when the poor man rings the doorbell upinthebuts says "The door is open sweatheart, come and get the mags if you dare"
Haha.
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/\/\ wth is your point ???
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this story has been beat to hell it is old as the dog crap outside my apartment...we all watched in amazement and thought it was truely awesome now those same haterz that wrote those stories write this...who cares it is old as hell next
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Yea and Ty Cobb was well liked by his peers too............ ::)
The dude can play PERIOD!
That is what we pay to see, it is not a personality Contest, Mc Enroe was not the most liked guy either should I go on?
Romanowski, Tyson, Liston, Rodman, Ali, T. Owens, Tamali
End the end performance is all that counts for some of these guys not compliments.
The more we judged their personalities, the less we understand that these guys are all about Business and the Dollar Bill.
No shit you like him, you both have something common..........you're both druggies!
Oh wait, then again, you're "natural", my bad..... ;)
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Why is Bonds a terd?Because he tells the media to go to hell,because he doesnt want to kiss some pissy stinky baby that a mother hands him, and shake hands with some retard fan?The guy is paid to play baseball and he does that better then ANYBODY over the last twenty years.7 MVPS ,four more then ANY player in the history of the game.So what, the guy used steroids.They were not banned by MLB at the time.He didnt cheat the rules,all he did was produce like no other player in the history of the game.These reporters are the real terds.Little sissy punks like Jay Marrioty of AROUND THE HORN,a guy who couldnt even play high school ball and sits there and casts judgement on the great Bonds.Bonds did what he had to.What are these fools going to say when he continues to smack home runs this year despite being drug tested.
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No doubt he can play, that Owen can play, etc., but the impressions left by continued asinine mentality DOES come into play in the court of public opinion. Idiotic/rude behavior by Bonds who continues with a unnecessary seige mentality. This isn't necessary.
The bitterness is innappropriate for someone with the luxuries the game's provided for decades, where is this coming from? He's developed an isolationist's position, a bubble that he can't see beyond. It's called BAGGAGE.
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Who's to say any of the hitters in the early '60's and '70's did juice? They had no test back then to detect it.
All you had to do was look at them. The big guys like Schmidt, Rice, Kingman, Mays, Aaron, Mantle. McCovey, Stargell etc.. topped out at 200 lbs. And they were far from jacked.
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It's the bitches who don't have the ability to be men who complain and criticize.......we call them "haters".
DIV
Thats fucking stupid statement. Your always good for them. You accept Bonds being a cheater and a liar. You pass it off as him "being his own man". Boy you have a lot to learn about life. I would have expected more from a soldier like yourself. Bonds is "real" because he lied to a grand jury? Thats a perverse way of looking at things.
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How is he cheating.What are the EXACT rules he broke?Here is the fact,he broke NO RULES!!!!!!!!Therefore he didnt cheat.
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Yea and Ty Cobb was well liked by his peers too............ ::)
The dude can play PERIOD!
That is what we pay to see, it is not a personality Contest, Mc Enroe was not the most liked guy either should I go on?
Romanowski, Tyson, Liston, Rodman, Ali, T. Owens, Tamali
End the end performance is all that counts for some of these guys not compliments.
The more we judged their personalities, the less we understand that these guys are all about Business and the Dollar Bill.
I can't believe you actually put "Tamali" in the same sentance with the rest of those guys. You do realize those other guys ARE athletes? Tamali's like the Tonya Harding of bodybuilding.....but at least she WAS an athlete!
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this dude was on Winstrol, Test, GH, Insulin and still wasn't big? hahahaha, fucking pathetic.
He was big for a baseball player. Did you expect him to look like a bodybuilder? Maybe if he trained like a bodybuilder he might look closer to one!!
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How is he cheating.What are the EXACT rules he broke?Here is the fact,he broke NO RULES!!!!!!!!Therefore he didnt cheat.
Steroids are illegal in the US. MLB players aren't allowed to partake in illegal activity. While there was no strict steroid policy there was a policy against actions that are deemed illegal by society. That is the EXACT rule he broke.
I can't believe anyone is standing up for this guy, Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he decided to chemically enhance himself and completely change his game. He didn't need to juice and that's what makes it so pathetic. He has obliterated his reputation. There is an actual chance he might not get in the Hall of Fame now. And all because he was jealous of the attention the chemically enhanced McGwire and Sosa were getting.
This whole situation is incredible.
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Why is it incredible?The guy was getting older and he extended and improved his career.He doesnt give a dam about the Hall of fame and he will get in anyway because he has 7 MVPs.If breaking the law is cheating then please explain how Ty Cobb is in the hall,he killed a guy.There are many shady law breakers in the Hall of fame,breaking the law is NOT CHEATING,breaking the rules is cheating.
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1. Great Ball Player
2. Sh*tty Person
3. Hated By Media b/c he hates them too
4. Media or Sportswriters vote on Hall of Fame
5. Took Steroids
6. Everyone else does too, they just arent as good as Barry
He is the end result of many entities in the sport which have contributed to the steroid culture within the MLB, people want to disqualify his records and so forth but I ask you this... What if he only hit 400 homers and never hit 73 homers in one year....would we still give him the asterick or say that he was this and that.. they never ever ever caught him ...?? JUST like there are all the other ballplayers on the juice who dont put up barry numbers but we have let them be ... hmmmm ..
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Holy crap! Wait 'til Sports Illustrated discovers all the stuff that Ronnie and Dorian were on during their consecutive Olympia wins!! Now that's gonna really rock the sports world!!! SI might even have to strip these incredible athletes of their Sportsman of the Year Awards!!!!
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Why is it incredible?The guy was getting older and he extended and improved his career.He doesnt give a dam about the Hall of fame and he will get in anyway because he has 7 MVPs.If breaking the law is cheating then please explain how Ty Cobb is in the hall,he killed a guy.There are many shady law breakers in the Hall of fame,breaking the law is NOT CHEATING,breaking the rules is cheating.
It's incredible because he's made a mockery of his career. Four of those MVP's were awarded to him AFTER he started juicing, more MVP's than he earned in the previous 12 years. His game completely and utterly changed. He was a five tool player. He and Griffey Jr. were the best players in the game but he decided he wanted to hit more HRs because of all the attention McGwire and Sosa were getting. You don't find anything incredible about that? His game is one dimensional now, he doesn't care about defense and he can't run anymore so all he does is hit for power and walk. He shouldn't be in the National League anymore, he can't play defense, he's a liability defensively.
He was Willie Mays but he decided to juice and he became a DH. Why are you bringing up Ty Cobb? What does he have to do with Bonds? Cobb played nearly a century ago.
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1. Great Ball Player
2. Sh*tty Person
3. Hated By Media b/c he hates them too
4. Media or Sportswriters vote on Hall of Fame
5. Took Steroids
6. Everyone else does too, they just arent as good as Barry
He is the end result of many entities in the sport which have contributed to the steroid culture within the MLB, people want to disqualify his records and so forth but I ask you this... What if he only hit 400 homers and never hit 73 homers in one year....would we still give him the asterick or say that he was this and that.. they never ever ever caught him ...?? JUST like there are all the other ballplayers on the juice who dont put up barry numbers but we have let them be ... hmmmm ..
I agree...
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1. Great Ball Player
2. Sh*tty Person
3. Hated By Media b/c he hates them too
4. Media or Sportswriters vote on Hall of Fame
5. Took Steroids
6. Everyone else does too, they just arent as good as Barry
He is the end result of many entities in the sport which have contributed to the steroid culture within the MLB, people want to disqualify his records and so forth but I ask you this... What if he only hit 400 homers and never hit 73 homers in one year....would we still give him the asterick or say that he was this and that.. they never ever ever caught him ...?? JUST like there are all the other ballplayers on the juice who dont put up barry numbers but we have let them be ... hmmmm ..
It's curious that after Maris hit 61 no one until McGwire hit 58 in 97' really came close to hitting 60 in one season. After 97' it happened many times culminating in Bonds' 73, which actually would have been 90 if opposing pitchers actually pitched to him instead of walking him. After the 73 no one has come close again.
MLB had one brief period of astronomical HR hitting and the two players with the most impressive stats during that peroid were in their late 30's and at least in the case of Bonds had never even come close to hitting 50 in one season.
The integrity of the game was blemished in those years. The reason gambling is the biggest offense a player can commit is because it effects the integrity of the game. That whole 5-6 year period of insane HR numbers will have the same effect, people will look at those numbers as artificially inflated.
And what the hell is MLB going to do if Bonds passes Ruth and Aaron? He is the last person they want holding the most hallowed record in all of sports.
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Will you shut the f*ck up with your stupid ass comments? Add something to the discussion instead of sounding like you're f*cking 13 years old. God, I'd like to meet you and kick your ass. You need it, dude. You're a little bitch.
hahahaha, you're so easy "upinthemguts", oh brother what a name............meltdown .
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He is the last person they want holding the most hallowed record in all of sports.
And that is what the problem is nobody wants Bonds to hold the record , cause nobody likes him outside of San Francisco... the same thing goes for all the outta shape sports writers who dont know the type of training a professional athlete of Bonds' level has to endure, there are a set of rules which state that he has to be tested and so forth, he has passed those test and never been suspended for use..is it his problem ?? what would you do ??? now cause he is hated on, he will be smeared till the day he dies..
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It's curious that after Maris hit 61 no one until McGwire hit 58 in 97' really came close to hitting 60 in one season. After 97' it happened many times culminating in Bonds' 73, which actually would have been 90 if opposing pitchers actually pitched to him instead of walking him. After the 73 no one has come close again.
MLB had one brief period of astronomical HR hitting and the two players with the most impressive stats during that peroid were in their late 30's and at least in the case of Bonds had never even come close to hitting 50 in one season.
The integrity of the game was blemished in those years. The reason gambling is the biggest offense a player can commit is because it effects the integrity of the game. That whole 5-6 year period of insane HR numbers will have the same effect, people will look at those numbers as artificially inflated.
And what the hell is MLB going to do if Bonds passes Ruth and Aaron? He is the last person they want holding the most hallowed record in all of sports.
You hit the nail on the head. The period from 1994 to 2004 the home run records and rbi totals are a total sham. Brady anderson hits 50 dingers. Palmiero goes from a total of 78 his first 8 years in the league to 45 the first year in Texas playing alongside Mr. Juice himself Canseco. That guy from Arizona, Gonzales hits 57. Sosa averages over 60 four years running. Singles hitters now start hitting 25 taters like kevin Elster. Juan Gone looks like the Hulk. Overnight guys turn into instant Reggie Jackson's. Its a joke if you are a REAL BASEBALL FAN and value the integrity of the game. Guys like Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Ruth, Frank Robinson. Their stats that were legit are being overshadowed. Its a shame.
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Ease up, this ain't a Macy's day parade..... ::)
A guy like Bonds knows he's made his bed, but he doesn't care, it's worth it to be his own man, be an asshole etc..as long as he can call his own shots.
He was realer than McGwire. McGwire lied and cheated so he's no better than Bonds. The sooner you kids realize that, the better off you'll be.
When you can do the things that Bonds can, you can be an asshole.....
It's that simple.
NOT......A person in Bonds possision should be a role model for up and comming baseball players. How many guys are superstars and arn't assholes. Bonds in a racest, liar and cheater. He say's He thought He was taking Flax oil ??? He's not too bright either.
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He didn't have to sacrifice so much athleticism while getting bigger, if he'd trained and dieted differently. Could've retained much of the previous athleticism along with the higher reaction times and power.
When the homerun totals started going up drastically, I can remember that the press didn't have a clue, wrote articles on the possibilities that the ball had changed without considering roids, wasn't even mentioned.
Ben Johnson was way ahead of the curve and paid a higher price for it.
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Brady anderson hits 50 dingers.
ha ha ha nothin suspicious about that.
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You hit the nail on the head. The period from 1994 to 2004 the home run records and rbi totals are a total sham. Brady anderson hits 50 dingers. Palmiero goes from a total of 78 his first 8 years in the league to 45 the first year in Texas playing alongside Mr. Juice himself Canseco. That guy from Arizona, Gonzales hits 57. Sosa averages over 60 four years running. Singles hitters now start hitting 25 taters like kevin Elster. Juan Gone looks like the Hulk. Overnight guys turn into instant Reggie Jackson's. Its a joke if you are a REAL BASEBALL FAN and value the integrity of the game. Guys like Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Ruth, Frank Robinson. Their stats that were legit are being overshadowed. Its a shame.
I completely forgot about Brady Anderson, at least McGwire and Bonds were power hitters before they chemically enhanced themselves. Anderson was a singles hitting lead off hitter that hit a meteoric 50 HR's one season. What a joke that is. Same with Gonzalez, did he hit anything close to 57 before 94'? Has he hit anything close to 57 since?
I didn't even take into account the players who all of a sudden hit 3-500% more round trippers. They are a better indicator of how skewered the numbers are during that period than are the numbers of Bonds and McGwire.
Brady Anderson hitting 50, what a effin joke.
Palmeiro is another excellent example with his single season total ballooning to 45, especially after spending a year with Canseco.
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It's curious that after Maris hit 61 no one until McGwire hit 58 in 97' really came close to hitting 60 in one season. After 97' it happened many times culminating in Bonds' 73, which actually would have been 90 if opposing pitchers actually pitched to him instead of walking him. After the 73 no one has come close again.
MLB had one brief period of astronomical HR hitting and the two players with the most impressive stats during that peroid were in their late 30's and at least in the case of Bonds had never even come close to hitting 50 in one season.
The integrity of the game was blemished in those years. The reason gambling is the biggest offense a player can commit is because it effects the integrity of the game. That whole 5-6 year period of insane HR numbers will have the same effect, people will look at those numbers as artificially inflated.
And what the hell is MLB going to do if Bonds passes Ruth and Aaron? He is the last person they want holding the most hallowed record in all of sports.
....and that nice 5-yr stretch from sammy sure didn't catch anybodies attention...NOT! Guy hit 307 HR's over a 5 years span...61.4HR/YR....c'mon. I remember back in 98-2002, while serving in the military, when these guys started jacking bombs left and right(had a few other guys sprinkled in there also ex. Richard Hidalgo 2000- 44 hr previous career best 15hr, L. Gonzalez hit 57 hr in 2001 previous best was like 31). The list goes on and on if you really paid attention back then to how many average joe players were hitting 40-50 hr all of a sudden.
Me and the guys would joke about how obvious it was that these guys were on something back then.
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I never watch baseball, but I think around this time when all the big hits were coming out that was when baseball regained it's popularity back. He or anyone else wasn't doing anything illegal if it wasn't against the rules in the MLB.
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....and that nice 5-yr stretch from sammy sure didn't catch anybodies attention...NOT! Guy hit 307 HR's over a 5 years span...61.4HR/YR....c'mon. I remember back in 98-2002, while serving in the military, when these guys started jacking bombs left and right(had a few other guys sprinkled in there also ex. Richard Hidalgo 2000- 44 hr previous career best 15hr, L. Gonzalez hit 57 hr in 2001 previous best was like 31). The list goes on and on if you really paid attention back then to how many average joe players were hitting 40-50 hr all of a sudden.
Me and the guys would joke about how obvious it was that these guys were on something back then.
Of course the only difference between Bonds, McGwire and Sosa and those other players is that none of those other players hit an insane number like 66, 70 or 73, and as I said Bonds would have hit 90 if he was actually pitched to. Brady Anderson is the most obvious example and he really should be the poster boy for steroids and the MLB.
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I never watch baseball, but I think around this time when all the big hits were coming out that was when baseball regained it's popularity back. He or anyone else wasn't doing anything illegal if it wasn't against the rules in the MLB.
Yes, the home run binge in the mid 90's till about 2003 brought lots of fans back to the game after the 1994/1995 lockout. Me, I get tired of all the 13 to 9 games with all the pitching changes that take 3.5 hours to complete. In my day Catfish Hunter and Jim Palmer would hook up and the game would be 3 to 2 and take under two hours with the Yankees winning!
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He is no Hank Aaron but the game evolved, he evolved with it . . .
out,
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Why all the bitchin' and moanin' about the skewed power stats? Shawn says the game "evolved" and Bonds just "evolved" with it. ha ha ha Yes, some players have had to increase their own cap size during their careers because of evolution.
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mcguire was taking things when he started then!
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I agree Shawn, but you and I both know that steroids doesnt make people hit the ball more often. That is what we call hand/eye coordination, right? I mean if others use AAS in baseball why are there not more homerun kings. Oh, why cant we put top BB'rs that use in a ballfield and they should just start knocking homeruns, right? On that note, Barry has been knocking balls out of the park before 1998, which the new BS book claims he started AAS. So if steroids could only make Barry stronger and he was already knocking them beyond the fence, he could only hope to knock them farther on AAS but not more homeruns. hummmm. The whole attack on steroids is a joke. Cigarettes have no advantage or health good nor does alcohol, but they are used legally and abused and cause a laundry list of health related problems. Im of the opinion that if I can risk a multitude of legal and health issues related to alcohol and its use and abuse, then I should have that same right as it relates to improving my physique or strength.
Surely Shawn you are not really one of these guys who did what you had to do to produce incredible gains and an impressive physique then turn 180 to say damn the AAS and Lord help those who are spiraling out of control and losing their minds using the stuff and living alternative lifestyles and abusing rec drugs and beating their wives and stuff like that are you.
I generally watch what you post and from the times I have seen you in your videos etc, you appear to be very intelligent and insightful. I just hope you are not a basher of athletes. I think AAS is a personal decision. I dont consider it cheating anymore than a swimmer using a special suit to reduce friction or resistance in the water or utilizing special equipment such as gloves or bats or track shoes. Lets face it there are guys i know that get ridiculous gains from d-bol or anadrol. however, other i know gain strength but not size. genetics are the deciding factor of how far one may push the limits and the overall appearance of that physique not drugs. there are still things involved in competition like diet, exercise, dedication, training, natural ability, hand eye coordination, etc.
sorry Shawn didnt mean to ramble on, but I got an earful of this same bullshit from coworkers in my office for my opinion of Bonds being a cheater.
lastly, if you accuse someone of using you should be able to quote a more reliabe source than an estrange bitch girlfriend. when you show me Bonds blood results, pics of him using, or his admission I pay it attention, he said she said is for fucking punk bitches.
He is not a Terd lest you believe everyone else is Natural!
Everyone was on this guys jock suddenly there's proof it wasn't all him and we turn?
He is no Hank Aaron but the game evolved, he evolved with it along with other greats we know some used and others didn't but I think America feels their entitled to a Confession but in reality who cares, it is his body, his life and he did what the Sport ALLOWED him to do!
Now if the NFL Users all turned green including Kicker and Punters you'd be surprised at how many are juicing.
Not approving of it but we praise our BBers and point fingers at othere sports, it's sad.
In reality, who cares, perform and entertain me, that's what I'm thinking when I pay to watch a game or athlete. What they have to do inorder to achieve that is on them. They reap the reward and suffer the consequences of what they have to do in order to get my money.
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S. Ray
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just one thing. Tim Montgomery lost his medals and world record title not being found dirty by testing or proof. No this guy loses it all on the testimony of a bitch who got popped herself. So its open season on athletes and we are going to take the word of someone thats busted trying to save their own ass. The beautiful and talented Marion Jones couldnt get her mind right for time trials and the olympics behind the witch hunt for her and the BALCO crew. Of course she gets thrown under the bus by what, a jealous estranged busted washed up exhubby. hummmmmmmm. pieces of shit proving no integrity have found Jesus and a good word to rat out someone else. whatever. dont we have other shit to worry about. hey, Iran is cheating too, getting nuclear weapons?
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Actually, steroids *would* cause you to hit the ball more often, by increasing reaction times and explosiveness, precisely what helped Ben Johnson's start in the 100 M.
Here is an excerpt from the book:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/
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perhaps increase what you are capable of doing anyway. everyone that juices doesnt set world records. if so then they would breaking records every year. see what im saying. i think people put way too much into the power of steroids over God given talent and desire and training and etc.
i am not saying steroids do not assist. i certainly do know they can. i am arguing the level across the board not the one guy who takes a 6 week cycle of test and anadrol and goes from looking like opey to gunter.
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Frank, since you've been away the game has changed. There are new players. The scene is ripe for the taking.
What's your next move?
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Time to get paid
Blow up like the World Trade
And if ya don't know- now ya know............nugga.
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I have more respect for Canseco, he has "huevos"
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The woman Bonds had an affair with was reportedly angry that he didn't buy her a house, as he said he would. That doesn't mean she is incorrect in her information, & if she has phone logs that really can't be falsified. But she is hardly a disinterested party, & a lot of her info is payback.
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Another athlete who has little character and is full of shit on top of that. I'd want to be respected by my family and not drag them into a bunch of bullshit, so I wouldn't go the juice route. Maybe you won't hit 95 home runs a season, but at least whatever your numbers are, are actually yours. Of course, many athletes juice, be a leader, not a fucking sheep.
Maybe I would juice if millions wear on the line, but then again, maybe I would just say...fuck those juiceheads and do my own thing...haha.
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Of course Shawn doesn't see a problem with Barry juicing. Why should he? That would be muy hypocritical of him.
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Why all the bitchin' and moanin' about the skewed power stats? Shawn says the game "evolved" and Bonds just "evolved" with it. ha ha ha Yes, some players have had to increase their own cap size during their careers because of evolution.
Yeah no shit, huh...that evolution is a bitch...Fuck a pure game, once that damn evolution comes and you get an asshole who extends his career by six years and doubles his power and who can crush a record that has stood for decades in one of the most sacred games of the world. On top of that the guy's a prick, flat out...
Good thing Shawn's .02 don't mean shit
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Barry Bonds is the biggest whiner...complaining that the press are always after him, persecuting him for no good reason. Then he tries to turn the spotlight on them instead of just facing up to his mistakes like Jason Giambi was man enough to do.
Now he's gonna claim it's his injuiries that are keeping him back when we all know that while he was and is a talented player...he ain't no fucking homerun king without the juice...winstrol, decabolin, GH...it was all in his veins and he fuckin knew it...he wanted to cheat to be "the best" and he did..
he doesn't deserve to have Willie Mays as a godfather...he needs a good ass kicking to learn how to be a man and stand up and admit what he did
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You know what? It's one thing if a guy uses steroids just to bring up a really puny physique and be a DECENT hitter. But when all of these cheats start to be called Homerun Kings and claim to break records of Babe Ruth, Roger maris..man that is fuckin bullshit.
Hell Mickey Mantle used to play half the time with booze in his system or with a damn hangover..my wife's parents knew him from Oklahoma back in the day and that guy could party!
Mark McGwire is another guy who should have just been content with playing good baseball and not go after records and homeruns when he knew he was cheating. The guy was holding his son like a fucking shield at one of the press conferences when they were asking him about steroids and just like Barry Bonds he was trying to make the press feel bad for even having "asked such a question"
Like they are above having to tell the truth..what a bunch of psychopathic pussies
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It's odd, but I kind of appreciate that Bonds is an ass. I respect that he keeps it real and says whatever's on his mind, no matter how stupid.
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Bonds is about as "real" as the ghastly FAKE tits in Iron dawgs avatar
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When it's all over, Bonds will have made $250 million via baseball. I think the drug use paid off. :)
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Another athlete who has little character and is full of shit on top of that. I'd want to be respected by my family and not drag them into a bunch of bullshit, so I wouldn't go the juice route. Maybe you won't hit 95 home runs a season, but at least whatever your numbers are, are actually yours. Of course, many athletes juice, be a leader, not a fucking sheep.
Maybe I would juice if millions wear on the line, but then again, maybe I would just say...f**k those juiceheads and do my own thing...haha.
why didn't you say that before you took steriods back in the day? And you took them without getting millions. You did them for free. Fat chance you wouldn't do it for millions but who knows what a born again virgin would do?
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http://media.putfile.com/shereen
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My point is simply that if everyone is doing it, regardless of testing which is Novice at best, who is cheating?
By the phrase "Evolving" I am not endorsing, i am making an observation, the game has Changed and it's Athletes with it, I can't stop it nor can you guys?
So, basically,I'm not here to judge but be Entertained whether it's Bonds, Mcgwire, Tyson or OJ!
I dont write the rules and for those that break them they should suffer when caught, either way as a fan, I reap no benefit or suffer any consequence to athlete choosing to do do drugs or not.
Ricky Williams, puff away, it is his body, his life and his choice who are we to judge. They break the rules, go directly to Jail!
I leave the ball park trying to figure out whether Im going Beef or Chicken? ???
Not wondering whether dude is on the gear. ::)
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S. Ray
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why didn't you say that before you took steriods back in the day? And you took them without getting millions. You did them for free. Fat chance you wouldn't do it for millions but who knows what a born again virgin would do?
There's a big difference in being 18 and 30. I smoked weed, drank, etc. I grew up though.
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It's odd, but I kind of appreciate that Bonds is an ass. I respect that he keeps it real and says whatever's on his mind, no matter how stupid.
But, doc, he can't handle the repercussions of it. And that makes him a 6'2" terd.
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Another athlete who has little character and is full of shit on top of that. I'd want to be respected by my family and not drag them into a bunch of bullshit, so I wouldn't go the juice route. Maybe you won't hit 95 home runs a season, but at least whatever your numbers are, are actually yours. Of course, many athletes juice, be a leader, not a fucking sheep.
Maybe I would juice if millions wear on the line, but then again, maybe I would just say...f**k those juiceheads and do my own thing...haha.
LOL..bonds should have had a jersey with "Endless Supply" on the back.
C'mon Croatch you know you are just dying to get back on !
Stop the insanity.
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Shawn,
Dont hate on the hydro!!!! God gave us seed bearing plants to use!! It is instrumental in 4000 calorie diets and it helps with my mild glaucoma.....
My point is simply that if everyone is doing it, regardless of testing which is Novice at best, who is cheating?
By the phrase "Evolving" I am not endorsing, i am making an observation, the game has Changed and it's Athletes with it, I can't stop it nor can you guys?
So, basically,I'm not here to judge but be Entertained whether it's Bonds, Mcgwire, Tyson or OJ!
I dont write the rules and for those that break them they should suffer when caught, either way as a fan, I reap no benefit or suffer any consequence to athlete choosing to do do drugs or not.
Ricky Williams, puff away, it is his body, his life and his choice who are we to judge. They break the rules, go directly to Jail!
I leave the ball park trying to figure out whether Im going Beef or Chicken? ???
Not wondering whether dude is on the gear. ::)
Out,
S. Ray
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bonds should have had a jersey with "Endless Supply" on the back.
Perfect; I want to see that this season!
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Hey another steroid poster boy I forgot. Brett Boone. He even shaved his arms. Here is a guy who grew overnight and started suddenly putting up Ruthian power numbers. As soon as they start testing he can't hit a lick and is released by about four teams and retires. He got old REAL QUICK!
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AS I read all of you Juice Haters arguements, When Is the last time you competed at atleast A D-1 College and were good and skilled????
I played D-1 ball and was Okay of a player in football. The pros are not on a level that you average armchair quaterbacks of backyard football/semi-pro, softball league excuses for athletes. The Pros are Pros because they have physical abilites that YOU do not.
When ever have you heard a Dr. prescribe steroids or GH for hand eye coordination or to increase reaction time??
It has never been done.
What about Jerry Rice? Did he use GH to catch all those passes? Your mentality would say yes.
What a bunch of pathetic people you are. You are the same people in business that claim it is the other persons fault you did not make the sale or succeed.
Hey but you know what? We do NEED YOU.
IF it was not for those of you who hold on to glory days in High School Atheletics who would be going to the games. IF it was not for you who blame everyone else for your short comings business owners would have nobdy to work for them.
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Question...........
Who are the authors and whats their background?
Are they known in baseball circles?
(that's 3 questions, but can someone tell me?) (4).............
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bonds deserves everything coming his way
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My point is simply that if everyone is doing it, regardless of testing which is Novice at best, who is cheating?
By the phrase "Evolving" I am not endorsing, i am making an observation, the game has Changed and it's Athletes with it, I can't stop it nor can you guys?
So, basically,I'm not here to judge but be Entertained whether it's Bonds, Mcgwire, Tyson or OJ!
I dont write the rules and for those that break them they should suffer when caught, either way as a fan, I reap no benefit or suffer any consequence to athlete choosing to do do drugs or not.
Ricky Williams, puff away, it is his body, his life and his choice who are we to judge. They break the rules, go directly to Jail!
I leave the ball park trying to figure out whether Im going Beef or Chicken? ???
Not wondering whether dude is on the gear. ::)
Out,
S. Ray
The game "evolved" because of greed on the part of the players and owners...as for stopping it...have you seen the power numbers in 2005 or the size of sammy sosa recently? Things are straightening out real quick...Bonds has pretty much screwed himself and may face the same fate as Pete Rose after everything is said and done
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Not approving of it but we praise our BBers and point fingers at othere sports, it's sad.
Pro Bodybuilding is different. It is understood that various anabolic drugs are necessary.
It has been this way since day one. The competition level is on even ground.
In reality, who cares, perform and entertain me, that's what I'm thinking when I pay to watch a game or athlete. What they have to do inorder to achieve that is on them. They reap the reward and suffer the consequences of what they have to do in order to get my money.
That's a superficial outlook and you would care if you were a retired player who held some record doing it naturally. Being a baseball fan and collector all my life, I also care. The home run race of 1998 was deceitful and blemishing to the integrity of the game. I was initially misled. It means nothing to me now knowing the truth and most fans will agree with me. Should of known something was up when you see guys in the twilight of their career putting up unprecedented numbers. The fans DO have a say and ultimately have the power to stop it - just stop buying the tickets and watching the games.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/
interesting read. thanks for posting the links. probally gonna be turned into some tv special one day. all the makings of a hit, sports, drugs, violence/abuse, chicks, jealousy and implied racial tensions. the excerpts from the book was cool reading the main article now.
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oh yeah wasnt strawberry a crack addict. it seems that a so called rec. drug addiction is more palatable in media/society than "performance enhancers" (they enhance performance, so you have to be able to perform before than can enhance anything.) would they wipe his records away or put an * and say crack? they let him play again didnt they. funny world we live in.
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My question is Roids have been around since the '50's. Who's to say that athletes back then didn't juice? Make sure you have proof before you say" There's no way Mays, or others did it!" That would be hearsay and doesn't count as proof. So are all records legit?
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thats right oldschool good question . they were legal and accepted, youd go to the doc and they wouldnt think twice. gee doc wanna get bigger n stronger got anything. yeah here and maybe some b12 booster too see you again next month.
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The acquisition of large muscles was feared to slow you down and make you less flexible back in thoes days. It was discouraged. Nobody juiced.
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Who's to say that athletes back then didn't juice?
Improbable-weights & drugs in sports were completely off the radar as recently as the 1970s & 1980s, depending on the sport. As mentioned, lifting and muscles were considered impediments-they would make you "musclebound' and "slow you down". ???
A noticable change sometime around the early 70s in football and up to 10-15 years later for baseball. There would've been some evidence in the physiques, and you can see from pics they had nothing.
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maybe they didnt look to do it for the sport, maybe when they were younger. you know befor they got into the sport or start of it, high school maybe. maybe given for weight increase, you never know.
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Improbable-weights & drugs in sports were completely off the radar as recently as the 1970s & 1980s, depending on the sport. As mentioned, lifting and muscles were considered impediments-they would make you "musclebound' and "slow you down". ???
A noticable change sometime around the early 70s in football and up to 10-15 years later for baseball. There would've been some evidence in the physiques, and you can see from pics they had nothing.
I have yearbooks of the NY Yankees dating back from 1972. Even 1977 thru the late 80's guys were puny. The big guys like Jim Rice, Reggie, Schmidt, weighed in it around 200. The big guy was Greg Luzinski at 235. Most of the great sluggers in the game only weighed around 185 to 205 pounds up till the late 1980's.
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Improbable-weights & drugs in sports were completely off the radar as recently as the 1970s & 1980s, depending on the sport. As mentioned, lifting and muscles were considered impediments-they would make you "musclebound' and "slow you down". ???
A noticable change sometime around the early 70s in football and up to 10-15 years later for baseball. There would've been some evidence in the physiques, and you can see from pics they had nothing.
No.. Weight training and diets were not the same. The exercises of yester-year were that of endurance. They did not do plyometrics and explosive olympic lifts for all sports like today.